Bible Agnostics Exposed

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” Psalms 12:6-7

Read that again, slowly. Psalms 12:6-7 conveys that God’s hand, His providence has been present all along in getting His Word into new languages. People who question the KJB seem to be very “I know better” arrogant. They are what some call “Bible agnostics” who believe God dropped the ball after the originals. Laughable. Seems to indicate damnable unbelief. See Hebrews 3:12-15.

What is an “agnostic”? There are some who believe God exists, or do not deny that God exists and yet, they don’t believe He is active in the affairs or men. In other words they believe the LORD checked out sometime in the past. False. God’s Word assure us that:

“The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.” Daniel 4:32

God is unchanging and so it would be impossible for Him not to be integrally involved in mankind’s affairs.

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” Hebrews 13:8

“God is love” which alone tells us much! (1 John 4:8, 16) One thing it reveals is that God would never abandon His own!

JESUS TOLD US THAT THE DEVIL IS A LIAR! (JOHN 8:44)

WHAT IS A “BIBLE AGNOSTIC”?

Bible agnostics are unbelievers (though many claim to be saved). They believe that somewhere along the line, God checked out and is not longer doing anything among men. They deny that God saw to it that His inspired Word made it in our language. The underlying iniquity is unbelief, lawlessness.

Recently a man wrote me and said: “I do want to understand my Bible in light of the culture and history of the people who wrote it.”

REPLY:

No. First off, it’s not YOUR Bible. It’s God’s Word! You will only understand the Bible by believing the Author of that Word. And what did He promise He was going to do and did do? See Psalms 12:6-7. Curious minds will be deceived. Read Proverbs 3:5-7 and 28:26. The devil has a million ways to question and cast doubt upon God’s Word – which he’s done from the beginning (Genesis 2:17>3:4 and 3:1; Deuteronomy 4:2; Jeremiah 26:2; Mark 4:15; Revelation 22:18-19). God’s people are known in that they hear and believe His words. Memorize John 8:47. His people don’t question His wisdom, His words.

MESSAGE RECEIVED:

“The Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic, and translated into many languages and translations – one of which was the King James Version. Be careful of worshiping an English text. Tyndale, Wycliffe, and the Geneva Bible preceded KJV. Since 1611, the KJV has had to amend an error or two from the original printing. The original manuscripts are God breathed. Translations into all languages are used by God to bring to light the gospel of Jesus. There ARE things called “the Bible” that are not at all. Among those are “The Message Bible” and “The Passion Bible.” But there are several good translations in English.”

Identifying God’s true Word does not equal “worshipping the English text.” In perfect fulfillment of the divine prophecy of Psalms 12:6-7 is manifested in the King James Bible.

I get leary with those who are wormish, squirmish, don’t like the idea of a definite article BIBLE that is truly God’s Word. That tells us something about such people. We see satan himself working in those who cast doubt on God’s Word…. and want to expand the scope of what His Word might be so they can escape truly dying to self in this fleeting life…. at heart they are rebels, unnaccountable.

Indictment upon the Almighty you make here – “The original manuscripts are God breathed” – in order words “God stopped working, He dropped the ball. He didn’t guide the translation of His Word through HISstory. These are the thoughts and words of an agnostic who believes theirs a God (so do the devils) and yet He’s not active in the affairs of men – which is a lie (Dan 4:32). Snake in the Garden.

If you dare, if you have nothing to hide, to list what “bibles” you use or respect as true. And we shall blast those counterfeits for all to see. This isn’t just a difference of opinion, this is war and you are on the wrong side. Genesis 3.

MESSAGE RECEIVED:

“Those who say the KJV is the ONLY English Bible that can be trusted have NO credibility with me. You can post a million links from that site and I won’t read a one.”

REPLY:

Those who defend clearly fake “bibles” have no credibility with me…. they have the devil in their lives…. no doubt since he was the first to question and change God’s words and still does so through human snakes today. Gen 2:17; 3:1, 4 etc.

Contrary to this man’s accusations, the Word of God itself and history seem to mesh together in the preservation of God’s Word in the King James Bible (Psalms 12:6-7). The preservation of the divine Scriptures certainly couldn’t possibly be the LORD who is behind the use or defense of the completely fraudulent “bibles” Stuart uses and names in this conversation. They are clearly false, having come from corrupted Vatican manuscripts. ESV, NASB, and NKJV.

The lawless do not want to believe that God put His hand on and kept His holy sovereign hand on the preservation of His Word all the way through HIS-story (Psalms 12:6-7). If they were to believe that His Word is preserved, which would mean we have it today, as He clearly promised, then they’d be accountable to that Word. But instead, they evade the King James Bible and lamely migrate to fake catholic “bibles” have reduced the doctrines of the original Gospel down, have mutilated the contents….. Rebellion seems to underly those who protest that the King James Bible is God’s actual, preserved Word in fulfillment of Psalms 12:6-7.

“People just can’t understand the King James Bible” is nearly the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. Such a deceived person doesn’t mind that God’s Word has been butchered…because he has no fear of God, does not love God, and loves his darkness rather than the light of Christ, the light of truth (John 3:19-21). Anyone who crassly overlooks the butcherment of the Almighty’s Word, has zero fear of God. Counterfeits.

Below is by Will Kinney

Stop Lying About It!

These “experts” who teach in most seminaries today speak many pious sounding lies in hypocrisy, like saying there are only “minor” variations in the wording, when in fact there are literally thousands of words either added or omitted from one version to the next, and hundreds of verses that have completely different meanings from the others in the Bible Babble Buffet, and yet they piously “contend for the inerrancy of THE Bible”, which they will NEVER actually identify or take a stand on.

And they do all this with a straight face.

Why do so many Christians today continue to LIE about what they really believe about “the Bible”?  For example, James White SAYS he believes The Bible IS the infallible words of God. I asked him this question personally on his radio program. But when I asked Mr. White where we can see a copy of this infallible Bible he PROFESSES to believe in, he immediately changes the subject.  The simple fact is this –

When James White, and others like him, says “I believe the Bible IS the infallible words of God” he is not referring to a real, tangible, in print, hold it in your hands and read Book at all. He is referring to a mythical, imaginary, hypothetical, invisible and non-existent, phantom “bible” that he has never seen, does not have and certainly cannot give to anybody else.

In other words, he is professing a fantasy faith in a Fantasy Bible. And then he thinks we King James Bible believers who have a real Bible printed on paper between two covers we can actually hold in our hands and give to anybody that asks to see it are “a cult”, and even heretics.

In his way of thinking, those of us who confess faith in a tangible, preserved, and inerrant Bible are “heretics” and “cultic”, but people like him who LIE when they say they believe the Bible IS (as though it really exists) the infallible words of God” are somehow “Orthodox”.

Actually, the polls show that there are many who, at least privately in an anonymous poll, are beginning to be more honest about their beliefs and admit that they do NOT believe “The Bible IS the inerrant words of God”.

God is a God of truth and He cannot lie  (Titus 1:2) and we His people are supposed to speak truth one with another. “Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: (Eph. 4:25)

God says in His word – “Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight.”  Proverbs 12:22

God’s word also tells us that the last days will be characterized by LYING. “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils (Yea, hath God said…?) SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY…” 1 Timothy 4:1-2

If you go to almost any Christian website or Church home page they tell you what they supposedly believe about “The Bible”. You will usually read words to the effect of “We believe the Bible IS the inerrant and infallible word of God.”  Notice their use of a present tense verb “is” as though it were something that EXISTS now.

However, if you press them about it, you soon come to find out they are not talking about any real or tangible “hold it in your hands, read and believe every word is true” type of Bible. No, they don’t really believe such a thing exists.  Then they begin their backtracking, Double-Speak Dance by saying something like “Oh well, only the originals ARE inspired and inerrant.”  Well, my Christian friend, there ARE no originals and everybody knows it.

Two such prominent Liars and “highly respected men in the Christian Community” are James White and Daniel Wallace. Both men profess to believe “The Bible IS the infallible words of God.”  But if you ask either of them where we can get a copy of this inspired and inerrant words of God Bible they SAY they believe in, they will NEVER tell us.

James White is the demonic Protestant Pope of the New Vatican Versions.

Likewise Daniel Wallace, professor at Dallas Theological Seminary and main creator of the well known NET version,  has written an article called “Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today”.  See my rebuttal to his article here.

The very first thing Dan Wallace says in his article where he criticizes the King James Bible is:  “First, I want to affirm with all evangelical Christians that THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, INERRANT, INSPIRED AND OUR FINAL AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND LIFE.”

Notice that Dan Wallace is using a present tense verb here – IS – when he professes to believe The Bible IS the word of God, inerrant, inspired and our final authority.”  Sounds great, right?  So where IS this inerrant Bible he piously professes to believe in?

A little later in this same article Dan Wallace writes – “NO TRANSLATION IS INFALLIBLE”.  Wait a minute. What’s going on here? At this point it behooves us to ask Dan Wallace and James White and others like them, WHERE exactly IS this “inerrant and inspired Bible” you guys piously PROFESS to believe in?  Do you perhaps have an UN-translated Bible in “the original languages” of Hebrew and Greek that you can show us that you honestly believe IS the inspired and infallible words of God?  Not a chance. They will NEVER actually SHOW you this inerrant Bible they SAY they believe in, and they know they can’t. In simple, biblical words, folks, they are lying.

Ad hominem – Are You Nicer Than God?

“Translations of Scripture ARE the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.”  Pious sounding statements like this are absurdly hypocritical on several levels.

First of all, they have never seen a single word of these originals a day in their lives and the originals never did make up a 66 books in one volume Bible to begin with. Secondly, it is absurd to affirm that “translations are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original”, when they HAVE no original to compare ANY translation to!  So how could they possibly know if what they have come up with at their Bible of the Month Club “represents the original” or not?

They try to give you the impression that they have “the originals” or a copy of them right there in front of them and they’re looking to see if their “late$t and be$t ver$ion” matches the originals or not. THEY ARE LYING.

To take the position of “ONLY the originals ARE inspired and inerrant” is to leave the Christian with no inerrant Bible NOW, and there is no getting around this obvious truth.

A far more honest “statement of inerrancy” based on what they really believe  (and most other Christians today too) would go something like this: “IF the originals had survived and WOULD HAVE BEEN placed into a single volume consisting of 66 inspired books, THEN THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN the inerrant and 100% historically true Bible we could have believed in.  Unfortunately God did not do it this way and so we just have to do the best we can with what we have and nobody is really sure about or in total agreement with everybody else about what any particular reading or text might be. So, go with God and hope for the best.”

Even AFTER I pointed these things out to a Christian man named Matthew, he came back with this statement: “I believe the originals are inerrant and I believe the stream and transmission we have is the best we can expect. I do not see any reason to assume error as we continue to strive forward we have more access to affirming a bible as close to the originals as possible.”

He still doesn’t get it, does he.  There ARE no originals, so how could he possibly know he is “close to the originals as possible” or not?

By the way, this Matthew also posted that he “likes” the NKJV, the NASB and the ESV. Apparently he is either unaware or “sees no reason to assume error” in the fact that among these three modern versions they differ textually by literally thousands of words, including numerous whole verses, and a couple of them reject scores of Hebrew readings, and hundreds of verses have completely different meanings.  Matthew also tells us that he thinks Mark 16:9-20 and  1 John 5:7 don’t really belong in the Bible, but he still maintains that he “sees no reason to assume error.”  Does this modern day Christian’s lackadaisical attitude toward the words of the living God look anything like what we see in the Bible of those “that tremble at His word”? (Isaiah 66:5)

All I am asking for is more honesty from folks when it comes to saying what they REALLY believe about the Bible.  I, along with thousands of other Christians, am a King James Bible believer.  We do not have to LIE when we say we believe the King James Bible IS the complete, inspired, inerrant and 100% historically true words of God. That is what we really believe.

You do not have to agree with us on this.  You may think we are completely wrong, ignorant, uneducated, “divisive”,  the spawn of Satan, a “Cult” or what seems to be even worse – a Ruckmanite :-0  But at least we tell you what we really believe and are not LYING ABOUT IT.

By the way, this same Matthew posted a poll called “Is KJV onlyism a cult”. It seems more than a tad ironic that in his mind Christians who actually believe their Bible IS the inerrant words of God belong to a Cult, but apparently those who don’t believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS inerrant are now considered to be “Orthodox”.  We do live in interesting times, don’t we.

It is comments like these when they call us Bible believers “a cult” or “idolaters” that caused me to write an article called  Are King James Bible believers “Idolaters”?

IF you are an “originals only” type of Christian who believes that ONLY the originals ARE/were inspired and inerrant, and that “No translation is perfect”, then just say so. Be honest about it. But don’t stand in the pulpit or write on your blog things like “We believe the Bible IS the inerrant words of God”, when you have no such Bible anywhere in print to give to anyone, and you know you don’t.  STOP LYING ABOUT IT!

If you are an “originals only” type of Christian with a non-existent, hypothetical “word of God” and all you can hope for is an ever changing, evolving, ballpark approximation to what you think God may or may not have written (though none of you agree even among yourselves), then just say so.  Go ahead with your “I believe only the originals were inspired and inerrant” and leave it at that. It is good that you say “The Bible contains the truth that Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead and those that believe on Him shall receive forgiveness of sins.”  We believe that too and want it preached.  But don’t use pious sounding words or religious phrases like “the Bible IS infallible” or “the Scriptures ARE the inerrant words of God” when you don’t really believe it for a second.  STOP LYING ABOUT IT!

“Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.”  Isaiah 66:5

What the Bible Agnostic “Experts” Are Really Saying.

When pompous, self appointed, wannabe scholars try to sound like some kind of expert we usually hear the same old, trite mantras time after time.

Case in point.  When asked by a Bible believer (John W) where are all of God’s preserved words today? our wannabe expert (Ron F) replies: “we have the manuscripts.”

And he then further shares his distilled wisdom  in the matter by telling us: “Everything else is a translation and there is not any translation out there that does not have some issue including the KJV.”

So what exactly is our resident “scholar” telling us here?  Simply that he is his own authority. 

In order for our “expert” to know that all translations have “issues”. (nice way of saying “blunders and errors”), Ron would have to have some kind of an Absolute Standard that he actually has in his possession that he has read and studied for himself and by which he sits in  judgment on “all translations” and finds them to be wanting – or having “issues”.

DOES Ron F have such a Standard?  Of course he doesn’t. It’s “out there somewhere” (The X Files bible)  in all those unidentified  “manuscripts” that he has never seen and probably can’t even read.

You see how the wannabe expert game is played, folks?  We see this type of hubris and foolishness on a daily basis when we talk to professing Christians about what they REALLY believe about “the Bible”.

Ron F and so many others like him couldn’t show us a copy of ANY Bible in any language that they honestly believe is the complete and inerrant words of God if their lives depended on it, and they know they can’t.

But they are just too dishonest and too proud to come right out and admit it.  So they try to dazzle us with their empty, pious sounding platitudes in a pathetic effort to make us think that they really ARE Bible believers after all,  and that they have some kind of an inside scoop on what God REALLY said.

Of course, they will never actually SHOW US A COPY of it, but they will pretend that they are privy to what it really is.

And it’s my bet that it’s only going to get worse.

“In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did that which was right in his own eyes.”  Judges 21:25

Bible Versions Issue

MESSAGE RECEIVED:

“I agree it is the best English translation; nevertheless the Bible was written in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. That is God’s Word, everything else is man’s attempt to dictate that Word in their own tongue. To suggest that the Bible was ratified in the English language is a kind of supremacy cult.”

REPLY:

Aren’t you generous to say that the KJB is the best English translation 😉 It’s not only the best it is God’s Bible for the English speaking people. You are misled and perhaps innocently. God promised to preserve His Word and He did into our language (Ps 12:6-7). Saying that God, the Almighty, was not able to fully bring His words into our language is an indictment on the Almighty. You are saying His power is diminished and that He doesn’t care about this generation and are calling God a liar to say that His Word is less in English that it was in the other languages and you have no proof of such – and seem to be acting as if your puny opinion is authoritative. You are a “Bible Agnostic” at this point.  

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