Eternal Security Dialogue
QUESTION ASKED:
“How does one loose what he did not earn?”
REPLY:
Ask Jesus, He said to His own that we must endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22; 24:13).
You could also ask: WHY does Jesus save only some and not all? After all JESUS earned salvation for all, right? … God gave man conditions to be saved. The Bible teaches both initial and final salvation.
You have been misled and therefore are confusing what Jesus did and what Jesus requires us to do to be saved – initially and finally – repentance and faith. Jesus said “It is finished” when HIS work was finished. Yet, this same LORD commanded us to deny self, take up the cross daily in order to follow Him – otherwise we are not following Him and will not be with Him (Luke 9:23-24).
REPLY:
Your experience means nothing, neither does mine (Romans 3:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). God’s written Word is final divine authority and you are clearly contradicting it and have much to answer for in how you have misled many for over 30 years. Repent sinner. Your years in “ministry” only reveal just how sadly you have wasted those years peddling Satan’s first lie which led to the fall of mankind – Gen 2:17; 3:4.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Rightly divide, Matthew 10:22 is not for the church age but for the Jews.”
REPLY:
WHO said that Matthew 10 is only for the Jews? Not God. So, you are saying that Jesus’ words aren’t for His New Testament saints? Wow! Rightly divide – this truth spans the whole of God’s Word. Rightly divide – there is one body in Christ, not 2 (Eph 2). So, if this passage is speaking of the final days, and it is, are there not both Jew and Gentile believers? Yes.
You’ve gotten misled on this.
If that verse isn’t applicable to ALL NT saints, why is in God’s Word? AND, then you can’t use any other verse in that chapter, right? Wrong.
So this doesn’t apply to all of Christ’s saints?
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
None of this from that text applies????
Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Also, your logic would mean there’s no need for the 39 books of the Old Testament and yet the NEW Testament says: “For whatsoever things were written aforetime (OT!) were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” Romans 15:4)
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“But teaching you can lose your salvation is works salvation!”
REPLY:
SO, listening to Jesus who says you can “fall away” and must “endure to the end” to be “saved” is works salvation???? Wow. (Lk 8:13; Matt 1:22; 24:13)
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Hey brother I’m a little confused how do you lose your salvation. I was under the impression that once Born Again into the family of God always a child of God kind of like The Prodigal Son he never lost his sonship. Don’t get me wrong he was eating with the pigs but I can’t find instructions in my Bible had to be born again again again all of our work is going to be tested by fire
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: KJB”
REPLY:
The prodigal son sure did lose his place for his sin and so shall we if we rebel.
He was lost again and needed to be restored…. notice that God did not go run after him and yet it was only as he returned/repented that God restored, forgive him…. if he didn’t return/repent he would have remained lost and perished in hell.
You posted this. Now watch this closely: “By which also ye are saved, IF IF IF (conditional) ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.” 1 Corinthians 15:2
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“So you don’t believe we are eternally secure?” Baptist pastor
REPLY:
Undeniably, un-conditional eternal security is the first lie Satan told to mankind which caused his fall – and he’s still telling the same lie (Gen 2:17; 3:4). Jesus taught “If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” (John 15:6). See also Ezek 33:12-13 and Matt 10:22; 24:13; 2 Pet 2:20-21; Heb 10:26-39, etc.).
“To hate is the world’s part, but to endure until the end is our key part who suffer for our Lord. To be hated is a key point to keep in mind of the world, but to endure is our key to succeed and to enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Daniel Kim
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“But aren’t we told by Jesus that no man can pluck us out of His hand?”
REPLY:
Yes Jesus told us in v27 of John 10 exactly who He was speaking to – those who present tense hear His voice and follow Him, presently:
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” John 10:27-29
In v27 Jesus gives the condition for the promise of verses 28-29.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Abide doesn’t mean continue in John 15:6.”
REPLY:
Apparently you are here seen to be choosing to peddle a lie – to cling to a diabolical tradition, heresy instead of conforming to the truth.
“If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6
Abide
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A primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy): – abide, CONTINUE, DWELL, ENDURE, be present, REMAIN, stand, tarry (for), X thine own.
Total KJV occurrences: 120
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Some shall depart from the faith (1 Timothy 4:1-2) – The Greek word here – ἀποστήσονται apostēsontai – is that from which we have derived the word “apostatize,” and would be properly so rendered here. The meaning is, that they would “apostatize” from the belief of the truths of the gospel. It does not mean that, as individuals, they would have been true Christians; but that there would be a departure from the great doctrines which constitute the Christian faith. The ways in which they would do this are immediately specified, showing what the apostle meant here by departing from the faith. They would give heed to seducing spirits, to the doctrines of devils, etc. The use of the word “some,” here τινες tines – does not imply that the number would be small. The meaning is, that “certain persons” would thus depart, or that “there would be” an apostasy of the kind here mentioned, in the last days. From the parallel passage in 2Th_2:3, it would seem that this was to be an extensive apostasy.”
REPLY:
Nonsense. How could they possible “depart FROM” something they weren’t already in? Impossible. Those who depart from “the doctrine of Christ” – that which Scripture reveals Him to be – do not have God! Nothing could be clearer. – “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in (does not remain in) the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.” 2 John 9 Un-conditional eternal security is a lie from hell.
You claim to be Christ’s yet you defy the Son of God you claim to serve for your foolish traditions and lies … like the hell bound pharisees of Christ’s day you refuse to ditch them for HIM at the hearing of HIS Word (Mark 7:6-9) – “If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6 Those who don’t remain in Christ after being saved are going to hell! Nothing could be more clear.
QUESTION ASKED:
“So you don’t believe you were chosen before the foundation …. that we are capable of raising ourselves from death to life?”
REPLY:
Hi. ALL men were chosen to be saved and only Christ can raise them from their dead state and yet, God did not foreordain that some go to hell BEFORE they could choose. God SOVEREIGNLY gave free will to all men. All of calvinism is false. It’s an extra-biblical system of theology that perverts the grace, divine character, and original Gospel message. Read Rom 2:11; 1 Tim 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9; 1 John 2:2 Calvinists are snakes who twist and pervert everything they touch to their own destruction. For example, they redefine the Bible word Sealed. The sealed scam exposed. Calvinism Busted
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
QUESTION ASKED:
“Brother Todd, there were good points made here.After listening to this debate, my question to you is much like Pastor Andrew’s question. At what sin does one lose their salvation? I mean we sin daily and what happens if we forget to repent of a particular sin?”
Are you going to listen to the LORD truly and let HIM answer that OR will you rebel and believe the doctrine of mere men and devils? That’s the big question.
Read Ezek 33:12-13 and Gal 5:19-21 and Rev 21:8; Ezek 18:30 and 2 Peter 2:20-21
Ever read the book of Hebrews – with a truly honest heart, dropping all preconceived notions?
The bigger question is: Is God Holy? Are the wages of sin still death?
Question Received:
“I think I’m FINALLY starting to understand how OSAS is heresy, but want to see if I do get it. So, it’s possible for someone who was once born again to go to hell?
A person is born again, and you can see the fruits. They change, the don’t desire worldly things, only Godly things. They are convicted of sin and repent. They pray, study the Bible, all the things born again believers do. Then, after some time, they slip away from that. They go back to old sins, and follow after fleshly lusts, but they still know it’s wrong. They start to realize they have drifted away, and start to come back around, but don’t repent of all sins (they don’t deny they are sinning or try defend it, but say they are struggling with it). They still say they love God, and will even continue to pray and study the Bible, and because they believe OSAS, they don’t realize that they are hell bound. Is that right?”
Reply:
Hi Misty, people who are truly born again which means their whole life is changed as the LORD makes them a new creature in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17-18) and then, “they are again entangled therein, and overcome” by the “pollutions of the world” and turn again to their own vomit. “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22 …. I highly recommend the book “Lie of the Ages” to answer so many questions from God’s Word that we all have ….. it comes in e-book or print.
Well, repentance is more than just confessing certain sins. It’s more of a turning back to the LORD. At that point He will quicken the confession of sins (1 John 1:9).
Question Received:
“What Verse can I show my cousin that I’m Not a legalist because I do not believe in the OSAS? She accuses me of being a legalist Pharisee because I do not believe in un-conditional eternal security.”
Reply:
That is a common objection from those who have bought the lie of OSAS. Nothing works better than lovingly quoting Scripture verbatim. Tell her that “obedience is not legalism.” The only Savior said “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21) Concentrate on the word “doeth” in matt 7:21 and also see Matthew 25:1-13. Then, break out 1 John 2:4 too and Titus 1:16 and James 1:22. Those verses of holy truth will stifle that lie she has been taught. God’s Word WILL have it’s effect (Isaiah 55:11).
To a man who called me an Arminian and insisted his battle was against Arminians, the following reply was given:
“Friend, when you truly come to Christ, you will cease laboring and being heavy laden, which is the fruit of all who follow a mere system of theology (of mere men) …. you will then cease warring against a certain sect you view as an enemy….. i have nothing to do with arminianism, have never studied it …. just Bible. No one who simply studies Scripture is going to come away with the 5 points of calvinism … it’s just not there.”
Message Received:
A guy who was attempting to defend OSAS as “a wonderful biblical truth,” and asserted that “The Devil is quite clever and subtle at attacking Biblical truths and has done so since the fall of man in the garden of Eden!”
Response:
The “Lie of the Ages” introduced to mankind in the Garden of creation is quite the opposite of what you assert. How did the enemy of all souls cause the fall of man? By telling man he must obey God? NO! Satan added just one 3-letter word to God’s Word and cause the fall of mankind. He is still deceiving many to add to what Holy Scripture clearly teaches. God kept His promises and severed the man and woman out of His holy presence when they sinned. See Gen. 2:17; 3:4.
***God has not changed and believers who make free choice to yield to sin against the God and Judge of our eternal souls who is “Holy, holy, holy,” will suffer separation. The wages of sin is STILL death and without personal holiness, NO MAN shall see the LORD (Rom. 6:23; Heb. 12:14). God requires that if we sin that we repent, returning to Him and confessing that sin (1 John 1:7, 9; Heb. 4:14-16). There is no such thing as a license for sin or “get out of hell free card.”
Moral cowards (“the fearful” Rev. 21:8) who refuse to fear God and deny self and take up the daily cross, love smooth little teachings that pretend to give them “assurance” while they are lukewarm, at ease in Zion, and simply indulging themselves in the love of this world, all of which are named as soul-damning sins (Amos 6:1; 1 Jn. 2:15-17; Rev. 3:15-16).
“The destination of unrepentant sinners is the lake of fire.” Steven Peisley
Message Received:
Arguing from an OSAS perspective, one man writes: “I really think Todd you appear to be misinterpreting the biblical truth that once God in His mercy and Grace saves you then surely it would be absolutely ludicrous to assume that you would be lost eternally!” …..
Response:
Where does the BIBLE (biblical truth) say that once God saves us that we can’t afterward be lost? Nowhere! In fact, believers (the saved) are warned over and over and over to remain/abide in Christ or be cast into the fires of hell (Jn. 15:1-6), to continue to the end in order to be saved (Matt. 10:22; 24:13; Heb. 3:6, 12-14), to make our calling and election sure (2 Pet. 1:10), to fear and obey God not self or sin (Rom. 6:16; 2 Cor. 7:1), to behold the goodness and severity of God or else be “cut off” from Him (Rom. 11:19-22), to not be lukewarm lest we be rejected/vomited from Him (Rev. 3:15-16), to not let the love of this world and sins of the flesh keep you from being ready to meet the LORD (1 Jn. 2:15-17; Lk. 21:34-36), etc., etc., etc.,…..
NO honest and true believer in Jesus Christ can read the following passages and still believe he is un-conditionally eternally secure:
“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22
“So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me…Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.” Ezekiel 33:7, 12-13
Explode the myth of ‘once saved always saved’ – read Romans 11:19-23 & Ezekiel 33:12-13; 2 Peter 2:20-22; Hebrews 2:1; 3:6, 12-14; 6:4-6; 10:26-39, etc.
Message Received in Response to an OSAS Expose’ Message:
“Excuse me? Making fun of eternal security are they? – those who follow Jesus have eternal security.” Susan
Reply:
Yes, Susan, as long as they are following/abiding/remaining in Christ, otherwise they will be “cut off” and “fall away” and ultimately cast into the fires of hell (John 15:1-6; Rom. 11:22; Lk. 8:13).
Question Received:
“Sanctification is important, but short of deliberately rejecting God, how exactly does one lose one’s salvation?” Andy
Reply:
Andy, such a question would seem to only be asked by a person who has been taught the false notion that once one is saved, they are eternally secure no matter what they do afterwards. No such myth was ever taught by Christ and His holy apostles. People want unconditional eternal security to be true because they simply do not want to take the personal responsibility to die to self, laying down their lives, which Jesus says is essential to following Him (Luke 9:23-24). Rejecting God happens very practically, when a person Christ has once saved, sets Christ aside in His daily life. Falling away has at this time occurred and it doesn’t take a blatant, verbalized, stomping off public rejection.
Message Received:
Well see, a broken promise is a lie and so it seems that it would a nail in the coffin of the deity of Christ. Now I am not a Calvinist so don’t jump that gun. I am merely saying that maybe Judas was never saved to begin with. That would mean that Jesus is not a liar, also that Judas was not saved. Two stones with one bird.
Reply:
The Bible says that Judas was Jesus’ “own familiar FRIEND.” (Ps. 41:9) Judas then fell by his “own transgression.” (Acts 1:25) God made many promises to Israel and individuals that He never fulfilled because promises are primarily conditional – based on the continued obedience of the one the promise was given to. Gal. 6:9; Heb. 6:10-12….. God promises Israel the promise land but only a few made it in (Num. 13-14; 1 Cor. 10:1-12). Many fell by the 5 sins He told us disqualifed them from the promise land and will disqualify us. There are many, many examples of this throughout Scripture. The book of Jude recounts several of God’s beings who fell or apostatized – departed from Him after being with Him in relationship.
***Notice how those who defend this evil theology which makes God out to be an evil, hateful, respecter of persons are not defending Christ in the true Gospel but rather whining about anyone who would dare tamper with their little pet heretical system of falsehood (calvinism)…. this reveals that they are not saved. Following a man or the teachings of mere sinful men reveals that one doesn’t know Him just as the pharisees didn’t know Jesus (Matt. 21:31; Mark 7:6-9; John 5:39-40; 8:47).
More on Judas here – Calvinist Nightmare: The Judas Dilemma
E-MAIL RESPONSE FROM READER:
Re: IS YOUR SIN REALLY WORTH GOING TO HELL FOR?
“Amen, Amen, Amen! I believe that the OSAS doctrine is what is spoken about in Jude 1:4 – That there will be those who change the grace of God into lasciviousness. In every institution I attended that taught this doctrine of devils, the people lived like heathens. John Calvin died an unrepentant murderer….enough said! Now all you proud Calvinist keep all your well trained arguments I don’t buy it anymore. Signed former Calvinist.”
E-MAIL RESPONSE FROM READER:
“You teach that a person can be right with GOD only by their obedience to the commands of GOD. You teach that a person once saved can be lost. You quote verse after verse after verse to prove that a person must obey the commands of GOD to be right with GOD. Are you equating being right with GOD and being saved? Is there no room for sin in GOD’s salvation? If there is no room for sin in GOD’s salvation I am eternally lost and without hope. I am glad there are teachers who see GOD’s salvation differently. Captured by HIS grace, Gene”
RESPONSE:
“Beloved Gene, I want to encourage you to look to the Teacher who gave us His holy Word so we don’t have to depend on sinful men (like myself), but rather have His truth for our own selves. A life in the Word is the only cure for confusion. “GREAT PEACE have they that love thy law (Word) and nothing shall offend them.” (Ps. 119:165) Jesus told us that only those who DO the will of His Father will be in Heaven – Matt 7:21. We are only saved by the grace of God and yet that grace shows up in the way we live if we really possess it, otherwise we are deceived and headed for damnation. Salvation simply is not an unforfeitable possession (2 Pet. 2:20-22; Ezek. 33:12-13). Did the Almighty somehow cease to be “holy, holy, holy” now that He saved us!? How blind and arrogant we have become! Now is it loving to hide this Bible truth or to unveil and communicate it so people can be warned and take shelter under the shadow of His holy wing? Truth protects (Prov. 30:5). “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, TEACHING US that, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY LUSTS, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, IN THIS PRESENT WORLD.” (Titus 2:11-12) The numerous Bible verses which show sin defiles and will damn the soul if not repented of in the life of a person who has once believed should deeply move us to the fear of God and not to argue with the One we claim to be serving who gave us these truths. “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (1 Pet. 4:18) Be warned: “He that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.” (Ezek 33:5) Jesus warned us all: “And take heed to yourselves (personal responsibility), lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and [so] that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” Luke 21:34-36 Ready or Not – Jesus is coming, and He’s only going to justify those who are looking for Him in the way they live by purifying their hearts by authentic, saving faith (Heb. 9:27-28; Acts 15:9; 1 John 3:1-3; Rev. 2-3, etc.). This important subject is thoroughly addressed in the book titled “Lie of the Ages.” God’s blessings in Jesus, the Truth, todd”
E-MAIL RESPONSE FROM READER:
“Now what you are saying is, ‘if I keep all these rules you have stated, and all the other commands found in the Bible then I will be right with God.’ If I can do that then why do I need Jesus? If I can keep all these commandments and be right before God, or Righteous then I don’t need a redeemer and Jesus’ dying on the cross was in vain. God murdered His Son for nothing, if my righteousness is based on my performance. O foolish Galatians…This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? ‘For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.’ So, Is Salvation by works, or by faith? Is a work begun in faith made perfect by the works of the flesh? And if one must be Born Again according to Jesus Christ in order to see the kingdom of God, how does one become un-born again? Does God practice spiritual abortions? We are justified in Christ Jesus because of HIS finished work of salvation and we are declared righteous by God by grace through faith in Christ alone. We are saved unto good works, not by good works.”
RESPONSE:
“Saving grace always produces good fruit and good works and is proof one is saved – BUT good works and good fruit save no one – only Jesus can do that. See Matthew 3:7-10; Jude 3-4 and Titus 2:11-12. You have correctly stated that “We are justified in Christ Jesus” and yet we must remain “in Christ” to continue to be justified (Jn. 15:6; Col. 1:23; Heb. 2:1-3; 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Jn. 9, etc.). We are only saved by His grace and our faith is required to (Eph. 2:8-10). You stated “We are saved unto good works, not by good works.” This is truth and yet those who are truly saved have the fruit of such grace (Tit. 2:11-12). The “fruits” of their lives testify to their possession of His saving grace (Matt. 7:16, 19-20). The Son of God told us that those who do not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown out of His vineyard – “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matt. 7:19) Those who truly have His justifying grace are His workmanship and do not have a license for living in sin (Eph. 2:8-10; Jude 3-4). His grace actually enables them to overcome sin and to live fully pleasing to Him – To those who truly possess it, His saving grace is “Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.” They are given over to Him and He is fashioning them into His own image (Rom. 8:29). If not, one does not possess the divine, saving grace (Tit. 2:11-12). We must not reason instead of being honest about the Word of the God. We must refuse self-willed arguments are human reasonings and pandering to the flesh, to justify living this life as we wish instead of how God has commanded. The Bible tells us we are not our own if we have been bought by the blood of the LORD Jesus (1 Cor. 6:19-20). If we live as WE wish instead of how the LORD commanded us to, we are lawless and will be found on that Day to be “workers of iniquity (lawlessness) and cast into eternal damnation with no 2nd chance (Matt. 7:21-23). So, those who justify themselves through human philosphy and tradition of calvinism have been spoiled or ruined and are in big trouble (Col. 2:8). Jesus and His apostles told us that sin “defiles” men and even named those sins which defile out of His love for us – so we would specifically know what offends His holiness (Matt. 15:19-20). He has disclosed to us His holy will in intricate detail and we are therefore without excuse and will be without excuse on that Great and Terrible Day of Judgment that hastens toward us. Does sin separate us from the one, true holy God? (Isa. 59:2; Rom. 6:23; Acts 1:25; Gal. 5:17-19; 1 Cor. 6:9-10; Rev. 21:8, 27) Jesus is Coming, todd www.SafeGuardYourSoul.com
E-MAIL RESPONSE FROM READER:
“Now what you are saying is, ‘if I keep all these rules you have stated, and all the other commands found in the Bible then I will be right with God.’ If I can do that then why do I need Jesus? If I can keep all these commandments and be right before God, or Righteous then I don’t need a redeemer and Jesus’ dying on the cross was in vain. God murdered His Son for nothing, if my righteousness is based on my performance. O foolish Galatians…This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? ‘For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.’ So, Is Salvation by works, or by faith? Is a work begun in faith made perfect by the works of the flesh? And if one must be Born Again according to Jesus Christ in order to see the kingdom of God, how does one become un-born again? Does God practice spiritual abortions? We are justified in Christ Jesus because of HIS finished work of salvation and we are declared righteous by God by grace through faith in Christ alone. We are saved unto good works, not by good works.”
RESPONSE:
“You have correctly stated that “We are justified in Christ Jesus” and yet we must remain “in Christ” to continue to be justified (Jn. 15:6; Col. 1:23; Heb. 2:1-3; 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Jn. 9, etc.). We are only saved by His grace and our faith is required to (Eph. 2:8-10). You stated “We are saved unto good works, not by good works.” This is truth and yet those who are truly saved have the fruit of such grace (Tit. 2:11-12). The “fruits” of their lives testify to their possession of His saving grace (Matt. 7:16, 19-20). The Son of God told us that those who do not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown out of His vineyard – “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matt. 7:19) Those who truly have His justifying grace are His workmanship and do not have a license for living in sin (Eph. 2:8-10; Jude 3-4). His grace actually enables them to overcome sin and to live fully pleasing to Him – To those who truly possess it, His saving grace is “Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.” They are given over to Him and He is fashioning them into His own image (Rom. 8:29). If not, one does not possess the divine, saving grace (Tit. 2:11-12). We must not reason instead of being honest about the Word of the God. We must refuse self-willed arguments are human reasonings and pandering to the flesh, to justify living this life as we wish instead of how God has commanded. The Bible tells us we are not our own if we have been bought by the blood of the LORD Jesus (1 Cor. 6:19-20). If we live as WE wish instead of how the LORD commanded us to, we are lawless and will be found on that Day to be “workers of iniquity (lawlessness) and cast into eternal damnation with no 2nd chance (Matt. 7:21-23). So, those who justify themselves through human philosophy and tradition of calvinism have been spoiled or ruined and are in big trouble (Col. 2:8). Jesus and His apostles told us that sin “defiles” men and even named those sins which defile out of His love for us – so we would specifically know what offends His holiness (Matt. 15:19-20). He has disclosed to us His holy will in intricate detail and we are therefore without excuse and will be without excuse on that Great and Terrible Day of Judgment that hastens toward us. Does sin separate us from the one, true holy God? (Isa. 59:2; Rom. 6:23; Acts 1:25; Gal. 5:17-19; 1 Cor. 6:9-10; Rev. 21:8, 27) Jesus is Coming, todd www.SafeGuardYourSoul.com
RESPONDER:
“Answer the following: Given: in order to be saved, you must be Born Again (John 3:3, 7; 1 Peter 1:23). Given: when you are Born Again you are a Child of God (John 1:12; Romans 8:13-20; Philippians 2:15; 1 john 3:1-3). We are in fact adopted sons (Romans 8:15, 23; 9:4; Galatians 4:5; and Ephesians 1:5) and adoption is a binding legal term that even in our society is more protected than blood kinship (i.e. a blood line child can be written out of a will whereas an adopted child is required to receive the full child’s portion). How then can one who is a saved, Born Again, Child of God lose their heirship? How can one who is a saved, Born Again, Child of God lose their sonship? Even in the deepest, darkest, and most rebellious time in the prodigal son’s life he was still his father’s son. (Now if you read into that statement that I am saying eternal salvation is a license to sin, the Lord rebuke you, for I have said no such thing.) But answer, how can one who is as son un-become a son? Try as I may I am still my parent’s son. As a son I am to honor my parents. (Exodus 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:16; Matthew 15:4, 19:19; Mark 7:10, 10:19; Luke 18:20; Ephesians 6:2 ) As an adopted son of God I am likewise to honour my Father which is in Heaven. I am to be holy as He is holy. Now, please answer my question. How can I stop being My heavenly Father’s son?”
REPLY TO OSAS RESPONDER:
Thank you for writing. You are using adoption and how it is used among men to justify an unbiblical teaching. I sincerely appreciate your desire to know the truth as it sounds. Yet you ask questions based on human logic and use very little Scripture. You ask: “How then can one who is a saved, Born Again, Child of God lose their heirship? How can one who is a saved, Born Again, Child of God lose their sonship?” Want God’s answer? Romans 11:20-22 says “Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches (covenant Israel), take heed lest he also spare not thee (saved Gentiles). 22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity (eternal judgment); but toward thee, goodness, IF IF IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be CUT OFF.” Of his very own free will, the prodigal son was separated from his father yet not from His father’s love (Lk. 15). When in rebellion the prodigal son was not secure in his father’s care – he was not eternally secure. He had to repent to be restored or he would have died outside of fellowship with his father. This is a clear picture of the believer departing from the LORD. If he returns in repentance he will be fully restored, but if he refuses to return, he will perish in hell forever. “For this my son was dead, and is alive AGAIN; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry…for this thy brother was dead, and is alive AGAIN; and was lost, and is found.” Luke 15:24, 32 A “Jesus” who doesn’t punish sin is simply a false Christ. The son who left his father stopped believing. One may argue that he was still a son, but another may rightfully argue that he lost all of the benefits of being a son while he was in unbelief and would have perished if he had not returned to his father. No person can come to the conclusion of an unconditional eternal security by reading the Bible alone and deriving his doctrinal belief solely from the Word. One must be taught such be mere men. OSAS is a doctrine of devils, leading many to perdition who believe they are eternally secure (Jude 3-4). I want to recommend the new book titled “Lie of the Ages” which is now in print and thoroughly addresses this topic from Holy Scripture. Also, we have some articles on the site concerning this important subject.
RESPONDER:
Sir, in your rush to prove your doctrine you missed the entire point. No, I was not using adoption to to justify an unbiblical point. Adoption is very biblical and you blew it off as trivial in order to justify your “WORKS” doctrine. If you look there is an abundance of Scripture in my previous post that is in context as well. However, You never answered the question. Israel was a chosen people that God has set aside until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in (Romans 11:25b), He is not finished with them yet. I am talking about a Born Again child of God. You look on God as standing over you waiting to kick you out of the house the moment you mess-up. I see Him as my Father who is grieved when I sin but who put up a calf to fatten it for a feast awaiting my return. I am talking as one who was dead and is now alive unto Christ. I’m not talking about a Sunday Church goer, I’m talking about a Redeemed, Born Again, heir and joint heir with Christ. Show me in the Scriptures where a son is cut off from the Father. Now, lest I be accused of advocating “license to sin”; as the one who has been redeemed I serve my Redeemer, my Saviour out of love and gratitude for what He redeemed me from and what He bestowed on me when He bought me.(Romans 12:1-21) I grow and mature just as a child grows and matures. As I walk and grow I surrender more and more of my life to Him, and I become more aware of sin in my life and I am responsible to confess and forsake that sin.(Sanctification) Alas, I shall never convince you of your eternal position in Christ Jesus. I do grieve that you use your bully pulpit to attack those of us who hold to the biblical doctrine of Eternal Salvation.
RESPONSE:
Why would the apostle Paul use the covenant relationship between the LORD and Israel as an exampleand warning to the SAVED Gentiles (us)if such were not applicable? Ludicrous thought! You state “I am talking as one who was dead and is now alive unto Christ. I’m not talking about a Sunday Church goer, I’m talking about a Redeemed, Born Again, heir and joint heir with Christ.” Where did you get these very terms? From Romans – to the VERY EXACT heirs of salvation the Holy Spirit is warning to “Fear” lest they be “cut off” also as the covenant Jews were (Rom. 11:19-23) You asked “Show me in the Scriptures where a son is cut off from the Father.” Ready? Here we go – “For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry…It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive AGAIN; and was lost, and is found.” Luke 15:24, 32
The son who left his father stopped believing and being in his father’s care. One may argue that he was still a son, but another may rightfully argue that he lost all of the benefits of being a son while he was in unbelief and would have perished if he had not returned to his father.
Please look at the above Bible text again and note some basic things that are irrefutable:
1) “my son” – sonship a relational term (represents a saved person; a person who has a father / son relationship with the heavenly Father)
2) “was dead” – as Jude speaks of, a person can be “twice dead, plucked up by the roots” (Jude 12) “Twice dead” simply refers to the apostate person who was initial born dead in sin then got saved and fell away “again.” How could a person be “plucked up by the roots” from a place he wasn’t already planted? Impossible.
3) “alive AGAIN” – need we explain that again means for a second time?
4) “my son…was lost” – after being a son of his father, he become lost again
5) “thy brother” – yet another clear reference to familial relationship – sonship. One could not possibly be a “brother” to another if he is not first a son to the same father. Yes we have “Eternal salvation” and yet such is only promised to those who “obey Him.” Heb. 5:9 says “And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all THEM THAT OBEY HIM.” This is consistent with Christ’s words in Matt. 7:21 – “1Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Jesus is Coming – Ready or Not!
For a thorough study of the eternal security question, see book titled Lie of the Ages.
“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable.’ This teaching magnifies the ‘verilies,’ but discounts the ‘ifs’; yet both are given by God and are equally inspired. Conditions of salvation and conditions of keeping are not named in every Scripture. Scriptures of warning are addressed to such believers as may be careless, indifferent, trifling, boastful, or presumptuous. The usual group of Scriptures quoted by the eternal security believers are the kind that are needed to encourage and sustain the fearful, trembling, and weak saints who earnestly desire to do the will of their Lord, but are harassed by the devil and beset with doubts. ‘Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be destroyed,’ was a ‘verily’ as far as the statement was concerned, but there was an ‘if’ implied in one of the promises of God. (See Jer. 18:1-12.) Such Scriptures as John. 10:27, 28; Col. 3:1-3; John.3:36; 5:24; Jude 24; Rom. 8:34-39; Heb. 7:25, and a lot of others that might be given are precious to every believer. They make it clear that we are safe in Christ Jesus. No outside power or influence, neither men, angels, nor devils, can come between us and our Lord; but there are conditions of salvation and there are conditions that govern our keeping. We do not question God’s sovereignty, His power, His omnipotence; we believe and hold to all of them. On the other hand as honest people, we dare not close our eyes to the fact that God has laid a responsibility upon free moral agents that He does not violate by His sovereignty, His omnipotence, His election, or any other office or attribute belonging to Deity. The condition that saves is the same condition that keeps. Eternal security believers constantly underscore ‘hath’ in John 5:24 but overlook the condition, “believeth.” They will take John. 10:27-29 and underscore the ‘never perish’ and ‘no man is able to pluck them out of my hand,’ but ignore the fact that this promise is made to the ‘sheep that hear his voice and follow him.’ As long as this condition continues, the keeping continues. No other interpretation is consistent with free moral agency.” J.L. Stauffer
‘Once saved always saved’ is a mere cliche’ and no where to be found in God’s Word in word nor in concept. Friend, you reveal here that you do not personally know the Scriptures and yet you have drawn conclusion on this matter based upon the teachings of the mere men you have listened to. One cannot find unconditional eternal security in the Bible, it’s simple not there. Sin disqualifies the person from Heaven unless he repents and receives forgiveness through the blood of the LAMB – “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death…And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” Revelation 21:8,27 Anybody want to argue with the LORD Almighty? I don’t and won’t.
The Message of Jesus Christ: “And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 10:22 Here Jesus Christ, the Almighty God, tells His own twelve that those who persevere to the end of their lives remaining and continuing in obedience to Him “shall be saved.” Notice here in Matthew 10, the utter difference between what Jesus told His disciples and what so many leaders today tell the people. First, realize that Christ hand picked these twelve. There is the complete absence here of words like: “You are eternally secure” “God is not an Indian giver” “No matter what you do, you are sure for Heaven” “You are guaranteed Heaven because God is not an Indian giver” “It’s eternal life not temporary life” “Jesus is the good Shepherd, how could Jesus ever lose a sheep?” “You can’t obtain salvation by works, so you can’t loose it by bad works (sinning), it doesn’t matter what you do, you still have it.”
Salvation was paid for by Jesus “once” on the cross 2,000 yrs ago (Jn. 19:30; Heb. 10:12). The way that applies to the individual’s life is different. He must get in and remain in the will of God by repentance and faith in Christ alone (Acts 20:21, etc.). Peter was re-saved or re-converted (Lk. 22:31-32). James 5:19-20 speaks of re-saving a brother who errs into sin from spiritual death (James 5:19-20)
You said there were no Scripture in part I? I count 9 whole verses. Need a calculator? Numbers don’t lie. Do you really believe God at His Word? “Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.” Ezekiel 33:12-13
It is interesting to note that no one here is yet speaking of the holiness of God. Forget the “sovereignty of God” as you put it, what about the holiness of God? The word “holy” and “holiness” appear 595 times in the Bible. The word “soveriegn” or “sovereignty” appear 0 times in the Bible. So in using this term and making far too much of an emphasis on it, we see that many are perverting the nature of the Almighty. We are to take Him at His Word which speaks of His holiness nearly 600 times and never once mentioned His sovereignty as you do. “But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Pet. 1:15-16 If any person (whether previously saved or not) dies outside of a holy relationship with the one true holy God, hell awaits (Gal. 5:19-21; Heb. 12:14; Rev. 21:8,27).
Ever read the book of Jude? It’s primary subject is apostates and apostasy. How can one leave or apostasize from something he never previously possessed?
Got any Scripture? Or are you living off cliches (like OSAS) and human philosophy propatated by false teachers? Divine authority is invested in the Scriptures of the Prophets, Apostles and the LORD Himself (2 Tim. 3:15-17). “But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, IF IF IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end…Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Heb. 3:6,12-14)
Still see no Scripture. You have fashioned a god in your image – one who allows for things that the one true God tells us He doesn’t and won’t. “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.” Ezek. 18:30
“Sealed” does not mean indelibly. You are reading into things. Jesus’ tomb was sealed (Matt. 27:66) but we all know it didn’t stay that way 😉 By the way the same Greek word is used as in Eph. 4:30 and 1:13. WHAT ABOUT JUDAS? https://safeguardyoursoul.com//html/what_about_judas.html
Have you ever read John 10:27 to see exactly who Jesus promised eternal life to and the associated assurance? He gave a qualification or two which are ongoing. Repentance and faith are necessary to receive initial salvation and also ongoing requirements (Lk. 13:3,5; Rom. 5:1-2; 1 John 1:7; Col. 1:23; Heb. 3:6; 6:12-15; 10:26-39).Jesus’ promise was conditional upon the one who has received the gift after repenting. He must remain or “abide” in Christ or he will be burned (Jn. 15:6) “If a man abide (remain) not in me, HE is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire (hell), and they are burned.” (Jn. 15:6)
The term “sins that are passed” appears in Romans 3:25. Nothing is said in Scripture to gaurantee that ALL FUTURE sins in the individuals life are going to be automatically forgiven and overlooked by the LORD. That is a deception, a lie of Satan. There is an ongoing condition to meet for the believer (one who is currently believing) to obtain forgiveness – “IF IF IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
WHO DID JESUS SAY IS SECURE? JOHN 10:27-29 “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” John 10:27-29 First off Jesus identifies those sheep whom He makes the security promise to. He says “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” In this we see one part divine and two parts the responsibility of the individual. “I know them” – the divine part (v27) Those who are His sheep “hear” His “voice” and “follow” Him – the individual’s responsibility (v27) Those who seek to spread the ‘once saved always saved’ heresy use John 10:28-29 to their advantage and conveniently ignore the preceding words of Christ in verse 27. Verses 28-29 are promises of security to those who are currently hearing His voice and following Him. Many ignore the previous qualifying words (v27) of Jesus where Christ tells us that only those who are hearing His voice and following Him are promised that they are secure and will never perish. There is a condition to being secure in Christ – knowing Him – which requires continuing to abide in Him, hear His voice and follow Him (see also John 15). In this John 10 passage used by the unconditional eternal security crew to peddle their wares, some neglect to look closely at verse 27 to see who Jesus was specifically speaking to when He promised “they shall never perish.” “They” refers to those who “hear my voice” and “follow me.” According to verse 27 the promise of eternal security is conditional. Assurance of salvation is only to those who are presently following Christ. In verse 27 we learn that protection from judgment to come is only to those who are currently 1) hearing His voice, 2) known by Him, and 3) following Him. This is consistent with the message seen in the whole of Holy Writ. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” John 10:27 According to these words of Christ, those who “know” Jesus and “follow” Him are given the promise that they will “never perish.” As long as the follower hears His voice and follows Him, they are assured “eternal life.”
Christ said that “He that endureth to the end shall be saved”….so the security promise is only to those who die in faith and not just those who have initial faith and then “fall away.” (Matt. 10:22; Lk. 8:13). We are commanded to fear God and behold His holiness and “severity.” (Matt. 10:28; Rom. 11:22) His judgment will be sincere upon all who die in sin – regardless of their past relationship with Him. “For IF AFTER they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been BETTER for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” 2 Pet. 2:20-21
Jesus gave 4 types of heart soil the Word falls on not 3. See Luke 8:12-15. The 2nd type person is one who believes for a while then “falls away.” The Son of God invented the term “fall away” so obviously such is possible. “They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” Luke 8:12
Jesus gave 4 types of heart soil the Word falls on not 3. See Luke 8:12-15. The 2nd type person is one who believes for a while then “falls away.” The Son of God invented the term “fall away” sp obviously such is possible. “They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” Luke 8:12
Nevermind the human reasoning as to how the LORD views us. I suggest you read the Word of God closely and witness how many times we are warned to remain or abide in faith and obedience to Christ. According to the New Testament, saving faith can be: ”Cast off”: “But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.” 1 Timothy 5:11-12 ”Put away” and “Made shipwreck”: “Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:” 1 Timothy 1:19 ”Denied”: “I know thy works and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.” Revelation 2:13 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” 1 Timothy 5:8 ”Departed from”: “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;” 1 Timothy 4:1 ”Failed”: “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not (if this were not possible, why would Jesus have prayed?): and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” Luke 22:32 ”Overthrown”: “Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.” 2 Timothy 2:18 ”Erred from”: “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” 1Timothy6:10 “Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.” 1 Timothy 6:21 Fallen Away from: One can “Fall away” from his believing/saving faith: “They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” Luke 8:13
The “elect” are simply those who elect to be saved and continue to the end and not some special elite group as john calvin (major league heretic) taught (John 1:12; Matt. 10:22). See Rev. 17:14 to find out who is going to be in Heaven – being “faithful” is a requirement.
Jesus said that there are those who BELIEVE for awhile and in time of temptation “FALL AWAY.” (Luke 8:13) Wanna argue with the Almighty? How many virgins were likened to the kingdom of HEAVEN (not hell)? Go see what Christ told us in Matt. 25:1-13. Only 5 of the 10 made it. Warning! Beware! If one is living in sin instead of faith, he has no eternal security promise from God. If so, why so many warnings in Scripture? Dare we call the Son of God a lunatic? “Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.” 2 Pet. 3:17
Clever approach but not biblical. Salvation is obtained initially and maintained by faith (includes a repented life). There is no promise of Heaven outside of getting and staying washed in the holy blood of Christ…”But IF IF IF IF IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) Jesus told each of the 7 churches of Asia he addressed in Revelation 2-3 that only those who overcome would be with Him in Heaven. All divine promised are conditional (not unconditional) upon the initial and ongoing trust (which will always yield obedience) of the recipient. “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD.” Heb. 12:14 Unholy people in God’s holy Heaven? Not a chance. Rev. 21:8,27
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3-4
There is a responsibility on the part of the individual to either receive or reject God’s salvation through Jesus Christ. “As many as recieved him to THEM gave he the right to become the sons of God.” John 1:12…with care and concern i would say that it sounds like you have been misled by john calvin’s heresies friend.”
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IS DOUBTING YOUR SALVATION ALWAYS A BAD THING? [podcast]
Making Sure We are Truly Saved While We Still Can
Obviously, the assurance of salvation should concern each and every one of us.
“For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.” 1 Corinthians 11:31-32
Notice “if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.” Note that those who honestly assess and amend their ways in the LORD will not be judged with the wicked. Those who don’t, will be. They will fall away and not endure to the end (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Colossians 1:23; Hebrews 3:6, 12-15; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21, etc.).
Are you judging yourself, testing and discerning your life against Holy Scripture?
“Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.” Proverbs 28:5
Counterfeits refuse to judge their actual fruit, their lives. They want the assurance of eternal glory with no responsibility of actual repentance and an abiding, obedient relationship with the Savior they claim. They want the crown without the cross. They do not wish to be bothered with truly engaging in an abiding relationship with Jesus on His stated terms but rather seek to use Him to get them out of hell. Jesus tells all who’ve been saved that abiding, remaining in Him to the end of their lives is essential to eternity with Him (John 15:6, etc.).
“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.” Proverbs 28:13
Is believing the biblical truth that a saved person can backslide, fall away, and forfeit their place with God (lose salvation) a bad thing? No. It’s only a bad thing in the minds of those who want to live on their own depraved, self-serving terms while deluding themselves into thinking they are going to God’s holy Heaven.
WHY are we so afraid of doubting if we are truly saved – born again AND presently abiding in Christ? (John 15:1-6). It will be too late when we die which could be today. Think about this. NOW is the day of salvation (2 Corinthians 6:2) and so today is the day to honestly examine ourselves (1 Corinthians 11:31-32; 2 Corinthians 13:5). Please read the LORD’s book of Ezekiel. You will discover many divine treasures in this magnificent volume. Share this message if you wish to help others.
“A disciplined conscience is a man’s best friend. It may not be his most amiable, but it is his most faithful monitor.” Austin Phelps
“LORD Jesus, please grant me the Holy Fear of God!” should be the daily prayer of every true saint.
“Teach me thy way, O Lord; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.” Psalms 86:11
I told someone recently that I love listening to a preacher or reading Scripture that can make me doubt my salvation because it further quickens my spirit in the fear of God to scamper to the feet of Jesus afresh.
“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.” 1 John 3:19-21
As we see in the passage above, assurance of salvation fills the hearts of all born again believers are who working out their own salvation with fear and trembling.
“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” Philippians 2:12-13
There are conditions the LORD requires to procure and walk in His blessings.
Assurance of salvation is biblical. Eternal security is not. The idea that one is eternally secure no matter what they do after being saved, is a lie from hell. Jesus told us that among those He saves, any who don’t abide, continue with Him, will be cast into the fire (John 15:6).
The lack of a clear conscience, the lack of assurance in one’s heart, is due to the lack of present abiding, obedience. All who are Christ’s and presently abiding, are filled with the assurance of His salvation. Read John 15.
Wolves among us, when addressing assurance, nearly never speak of the personal responsibility God gives to all He saves – to obey Him (John 14:15, 21-23, etc.). When one lacks assurance, it’s only because they have chosen to lack obeying the Savior (2 Corinthians 2:17; 2 Timothy 4:2-4; Jude 3-4).
“But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” James 1:22
WHAT ABOUT WHEN SOMEONE ELSE DOUBTS THAT YOU ARE TRULY SAVED?
When a true believer in Jesus Christ questions someone’s salvation, it is in no way to be rude, but rather out of godly concern. Jesus told us to “know” (discern) people “by their fruit” (Matt. 7:16, 20). Good “fruit” (produce) can only come forth from the born again, abiding disciple of Jesus. Good fruit comes forth from a real relationship with Christ (John 15). One must know Him and that begins at the moment of true repentance and faith (Acts 20:21).
If the overall fruit of someone’s life is not that which the Bible teaches is consistent with truly knowing Jesus and having been regenerated, then there should be concern.
There are some among us who violently object to doubting someone’s salvation, Yet, based on the biblical mandate to “know” (discern) others “by their fruits,” this will happen at times (Matthew 7:16, 20). When a professing Christian’s salvation is doubted based upon lack of good fruit to prove it, some become irate with a “How dare you doubt my/that person’s salvation! Just who are you to do such a thing!?” But wait a minute – didn’t Jesus instruct us to “know” others based on their “fruits”? (Matthew 7:16, 20). And if there are no counterfeits who pose as Christ’s people, why did Jesus say that there are chaff among the wheat? (Matthew 13). Yes He did and so why are we surprised if some of those around us are found to be lost even though they think they are saved? And yes the chaff are going to be separated by the angels in the end but for now Jesus told us to discern (to distinguish between) or to “know” them “by their fruits” and that’s done by fruit inspection.
One man said that he believed that over 90% of church goers in America have never been genuinely born again as we “must be” in order to be brought into God’s kingdom (John 3:3, 7).
Repentance is where and when regeneration happens. In the modern church world, such a foundational biblical doctrine is rarely mentioned much less preached or correctly taught to define what it is and bring conviction to the hearers. In the vast majority of churches today, salvation is never or seldom presented. So how can the sinner respond in repentance and be saved? Is it any wonder so few are saved? People are rarely if ever called to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ today as they were publicly called to do by the apostles of Jesus (Acts 2:38; 3:19).
There are some people who hang around with the Christian body that I just never got a peace about. There doesn’t seem to be the presence of the divine Person of the Holy Spirit and therefore the fruit He alone can produce is absent (Galatians 5:22-23). One must be born again and given a new nature by the LORD or we are not His. When this conversion takes place, there will be good fruit (Matthew 3:7-10).
Should we float people all the way into hell instead of helping make sure they have truly repented and been born again? Is that love or hatred?
If someone questions our salvation, how should we react? How about this way: “Well, thank you for being concerned about my eternal soul. I am open and willing to investigate (biblically) the possibility that I may not have truly repented (laid down my life) and placed my faith in Jesus Christ. Or, since He saved me in the past, perhaps I have backslidden and no longer know Him due to allowing sin in my life.”
HONEST CONCERN VERSUS CRUEL CONDEMNATION
There are going to be children of the enemy that will come in and attempt to confuse and to derail you by doubting that you are saved. They do this to bring “confusion and every evil work” instead of “godly edifying” (James 3:16; 1 Timothy 1:4).
David, the man after God’s own heart, was often persecuted by the wicked, his place with God being the central attack of the enemy.
“My tears have been my meat day and night, while they continually say unto me, Where is thy God? … As with a sword in my bones, mine enemies reproach me; while they say daily unto me, Where is thy God?” Psalms 42:3, 10
Those who are His have the “witness” of His Spirit in them:
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.” Romans 8:16
Why are you bothered when someone else doubts your salvation? Do you have the bearing witness of the Holy Spirit as a witness in your heart? (Romans 8:16). If you are assured by God (not self or mere man) of your salvation, why would you be concerned if someone else doubted it? Can you say with Paul “nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day”? (2 Timothy 1:12). Did God not say that we who have and are believing the record He gave of His Son have HIS “witness” within us?
“If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.” 1 John 5:9-13
David told us that our “sentence” comes from the LORD Himself not man:
“Let my sentence (verdict) come forth from thy presence; let thine eyes behold the things that are equal.” Psalms 17:2
The Hebrew word that is translated “sentence” here means: act of deciding a case, decision, a verdict (favorable or unfavorable), sentence of formal decree.
By reason of creation, God Himself is the only One who can determine judicially that one is righteous or unrighteous, just or unjust, justified or not justified. The Almighty is the only One qualified to sentence any individual to Heaven or hell. Either He approves of us or He disapproves of us (Ezekiel 18:4).
“STRONG CONFIDENCE”
“In the fear of the Lord is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge. 27 The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.” Proverbs 14:26-27
The key to having “strong confidence” and escaping “the snares of death,” is fearing God.
God’s Word tells us that “The fear of the Lord is clean” (Psalms 19:9). The heart that truly fears God is made “clean” from any doubt and has full and “strong confidence” or assurance and strength of conviction.
The key is being with Jesus – being in Christ. Jesus told us that those who are “with” Him are His and all others are “against” Him (Matthew 12:30). The whole of Holy Scripture is the very testimony of God and we can plainly observe that being presently and truly “in Christ” is the determining factor.
The Father spoke from Heaven audibly, declaring of Christ, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17). ALL who are presently in Christ, are well pleasing to God – justified, sentenced and declared righteous. Justification, to be declared righteous by God, is always “by faith” (Romans 3:21-5:17; Hebrews 11:4-7).
Ultimately, your “sentence” or sentencing comes forth from God alone who is the only Judge of your eternal soul. In light of this, Paul writes:
“Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” Romans 8:33-34
According to the whole counsel of God’s Word, believers in Jesus Christ – those who genuinely turn to God in repentance, placing their faith in Jesus Christ – have been shown mercy by God. This gift of eternal life was made possible through the finished and perfect work of the One sinless, perfect Redeemer, Jesus Christ, who bled on the cross, was buried, and rose again from the dead. He is “the Son of God with power.”
“And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:” Romans 1:4
Being rooted and grounded in God’s love is so very important to being “sound in the faith,” having a “sound heart” and a “sound mind” (Proverbs 14:30; 2 Timothy 1:7; Titus 1:13). This all comes from learning and believing “sound doctrine” (Titus 1:9; 2:1).
GOING DEEP
Heeding the apostle Paul’s exhortation to all those whom the LORD has saved, is essential to an ever-deepening, abiding, assured place with the LORD.
“As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.” Colossians 2:6-7
Only going on to perfection (spiritual maturity) by learning and obeying the truth of God can make one free from doubting that He is God’s child (Hebrews 5:11-6:3).
“As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. … If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.” John 8:30-32, 36
As the born again disciple of Christ continues to walk in the light of truth with Jesus, He is kept in Christ and assured of salvation.
“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” 1 John 1:6-7
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BEWARE of the Wolf Defenders [podcast]
A DANGEROUS BREED OF HYPOCRITE!
Truth-Despising, Wolf-Worshiping,
Devil-Defending Agents of Satan who Think they are Saved (think again!)
Walking in God’s love can never be separated from walking in God’s truth! They are divinely, eternally married! Don’t you dare claim to be walking in God’s love if you are not speaking God’s truth (Ephesians 4:15; Proverbs 27:5-6).
The true man of God fears God and therefore fears no man. He will speak the truth no matter what the cost.
“When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” Thomas Sowell
MORAL cowards are self-serving and deceitful. When THEY want something to be true, they ignore God’s Word and want to argue to defend their position instead of dying to self and believing and living by the WORD of God. Repent sinner. “Let God be true and EVERY man a liar” (Romans 3:4).
Jesus says, “Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God” (Luke 16:15).
If you seek to justify sinners against the counsel of God’s Word, you are not a man of truth but rather a self-serving moral coward who seeks to justify sinners instead of loving them enough to give them the truth so they can be saved. Repent sinner.
“He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.” Proverbs 17:15
Judge not those who “judge righteous judgment”! (John 7:24)
“Today’s church cannot remain faithful if it tolerates false teachers and leaves their teachings uncorrected and unconfronted.” Albert Mohler
The JUDGE has spoken in a book called THE BIBLE. He’s calling us to pay attention when we read it. His written WORD records for us HIS judgments – the judgments of the Judge. So, the lame misuse of the “judge not” scripture is a cover up from novices to justify their worship of wolves who feed their flesh nature instead of telling them God requires them to live the crucified life (Matthew 7:1-5; Philippians 3:18-19; 2 Timothy 4:2-4; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 2 John 10-11, etc.).
Jesus says “Judge righteous judgment” and the only way to do that is call the shots like He does in His written Word – beginning with our own lives and out from there (John 7:24). YES GOD is the Judge and THE JUDGE HAS SPOKEN His judgments in the 66 glorious books in the canon of His Word. So there are no excuses. We shall be judged by His Word, the Bible (John 12:48; Romans 2:16; Revelation 20:10-15).
“The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” John 12:48
YES, God is the Judge and THE JUDGE HAS SPOKEN – it’s called the BIBLE. We have HIS judgments on record in the Bible. Now let’s repent and cease the smokescreens to evade truly repenting! See John 3:19-21.
ATTENTION: The LORD calls His people to mark and to expose His enemies and not defend or support them! Those who prop up, support, follow, and defend the obvious wolves operating among the professing church only do so due to their own refusal to study to show themselves approved before a holy God (2 Timothy 2:15). It’s time to get immersed in the Word!
WARNING: YOU’D BETTER MAKE SURE YOU AREN’T COVERING FOR AND DEFENDING ONE OF THE “MANY FALSE PROPHETS” JESUS REPEATEDLY WARNED US TO “BEWARE OF” (Matthew 7:15; 24:11, 24, etc.). IF YOU DO, YOU WILL GO TO HELL WITH THEM!
Isn’t it so hypocritically interesting how those who misuse Jesus’ word “Judge not” and how they don’t think twice to condemn you for supposedly condemning others? So, they are telling you not to judge (out of context) while they openly judge you. SMH at these blinded hypocrites. In Matthew 7:1-5 Jesus was speaking of hypocritical judgment, not all judgment! Stop taking Jesus’ words out of context!
The kingdom of God is not dictated by any mere human’s emotions or notions. Let’s live by God’s Word saints.
LIKE IT OR NOT, it is the divine mandate and duty of the members of Christ’s body to “earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints” against “ungodly men” who are false teachers. Read Jude 3-4. The divine mandate to mark false teachers is none of your business or mine! God didn’t ask you before He spoke and commanded that these things be done. This kingdom of God is not relegated to you or me, nor our flimsy musings. We live by God’s Word and not someone’s emotions or un-sanctified whims (Colossians 2:8). Do we not understand that God wants to protect His sheep? The kingdom of God is about KING JESUS, not you! It’s time to die to self!
SUPPORTING WOLVES (Christ’s very subverting enemies) will land you in hell with them according to God’s Word.
Those who try to shut down warnings are simply afraid they are the next ones to be exposed! Repent! John 3:19-21
Counterfeits defend their wolves while true remnant disciples of Jesus are “set for the defence of the gospel” as was Paul the apostle (Philippians 1:17).
Tina McGovern writes:
“It is astounding and amazes me every time people defend these actions and condemn the actions of the righteous who hold to the truth clearly brought forward in Scriptures. But…as we know…it takes false followers to follow false teachers and false prophets…all in hopes of being extravagantly rich to spend it on their lusts. It’s like manipulating the mind to feel free to lust guiltlessly. Dear Lord, You alone know who are Yours. In your great mercy make a way where there appears to be no way, to deliver those who are deceived and fallen captive to the deceiver. Deliver them to the uttermost.”
JOIN THE CHORUS with the remnant of Christ’s elect … by openly shining the light of truth on the false teachings and teachers of our day who are being used of Satan to lead millions to eternal damnation (Isaiah 9:16; Matthew 15:14). This is not a game! The apostle Paul said he was “set for the defence of the gospel” and Jude mandated that we “earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints” against “ungodly men” (Philippians 1:17; Jude 3-4). When we look at what the whole of Scripture tells us about wolves among us and their mission (steal, kill, destroy), we may see a different picture. We will see them as the very agents of Satan we are told they are (2 Corinthians 11:12-15). The books Deceivers and False Prophets Among Us and Predators in Our Pulpits were written to showcase a myriad of shunned and purposely neglected Bible verses about wolves and their characteristics and methods.
The “Great Shepherd of the sheep” (Heb. 13:20) fully intends to protect the sheep He died for and part of that protection comes from His body/watchmen’s warnings. “Warn them from me” (Ezekiel 3:7).
THE LORD’S WATCHMEN are on their posts and doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing – warning. “So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.” (Ezekiel 33:7)
In fact, if the watchman doesn’t sound the alarm, warning of danger, he is guilty before God.
“But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.” Ezekiel 33:6
Ernie Collins writes:
“WOE UNTO THE FOOLISH WHO CONTINUE TO BE DECEIVED WITH GREAT DECEPTION OF FALSE TEACHERS AND PREACHERS; FOR THEY WILL SURELY FACE THE GREAT JUDGMENT AND WRATH WITH THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR THEIR FOOLISHNESS. A DIRE WARNING WITH GREAT CONSEQUENCES FOR ALL FALSE TEACHERS AND PREACHERS: JEREMIAH 23:1-2 (KJV) AUTHORIZED EDITION BIBLE:
1: WOE BE UNTO THE PASTORS THAT DESTROY AND SCATTER THE SHEEP OF MY PASTURE! SAITH THE LORD.
2: THEREFORE THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL AGAINST THE PASTORS THAT FEED MY PEOPLE; YE HAVE SCATTERED MY FLOCK, AND DRIVEN THEM AWAY, AND HAVE NOT VISITED THEM: BEHOLD, I WILL VISIT UPON YOU THE EVIL OF YOUR DOINGS, SAITH THE LORD.” ERNIE COLLINS
The LORD told us that He is “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). Yet, He will not save any person who freely chooses to give ear to, to support, to fund, and/or defend His enemies (2 Chronicles 19:2; 2 John 7-11, etc.). Such is high treason.
Does Satan have agents? Yes (2 Cor. 11:12-15). And, who would want to defend those emissaries except those who are also Satan’s agents? JUST WHO would want Satan’s emissaries to continue to mislead people? Who? Who other than those who are also Satan’s property due to their unrepentant hearts? Do you recall how Satan entered into one of Jesus’ own twelve? See John 13:27.
So who can prove by Scripture or even common sense that protection via warning is a sin? Who can show that it’s God’s mandate and His will for His body to do?
“Judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). When you attack someone for judging, you are judging them. If there is no judgment/discernment, why are you judging someone for judging? You are doing exactly what you are accusing them of doing (Romans 2:1-3). Jesus says: “Ye shall know (Gr. discern) them BY THEIR FRUITS” (Matthew 7:16, 20).
Charles Kennon writes:
“‘Judge Not’…One of the most misunderstood and improperly applied verses in the Bible. Few read the entirety of this portion of Scripture thus understanding that Jesus was not condemning righteous judgment but rather rebuking men for hypocritical judgment.
Be not deceived my friend, WE ALL JUDGE…The question is this; By what STANDARD do we Judge? By God’s Word or by what seems right to US. Here is a touchstone by which you can examine yourself. Those who are of God employ the phrase ‘Judge not’ in a DIDACTIC manner to properly instruct others in the way (Matthew 7:1-5). Those who are not of God employ ‘Judge not’ in a DEFENSIVE manner to evade the truth and justify themselves when the light of God’s Word uncovers or confronts them in their sin (Genesis 19:9).”
Jesus says “Judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Paul wrote “do not ye judge them that are within?” (1 Corinthians 5:12).
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“God is the only one can judge everyone. He will judge you also guys. Be careful of what you are saying. Anyway your judgment isn’t going to change anything. It conveys hatred and not Christian love. We will be judged with the same measure.”
RESPONSE:
1. Is God the Judge? Yes or no? 2. Did God, the Judge, speak? Do you know about the Book called the Holy Bible? THAT is God’s judgments and He, the Judge, told us that all idolaters are going to hell (Rev 21:8). All who reject Christ for their religion, like Teresa, are not forgiven and going to hell. The Judge has spoken – from Genesis to Revelation. It’s time to repent, fast and pray, until you fear no one except the LORD. At that point He will grant you a fearlessness to preach His Word, regardless of how mere sinful men respond (Is. 51:7, 12; Gal. 1:10). This person you are defending is a sinful woman who refused to repent and be saved by the grace of God through Christ alone. She promoted an antichrist, works-based religion her whole life. The Bible assures us that every false teacher will have eternal “damnation” (2 Peter 2:1-3.) You have no clue what love is. You going to call JESUS CHRIST unloving for openly lambasting the false leaders of His day and telling them they were going to hell? Read Matt 23. Repent. “Open rebuke is better than secret love. 6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful” (Proverbs 27:5-6). You are in direct disobedience to the LORD by not earnestly contending against His enemies and marking and exposing them (Rom. 16:17-18; Ephesians 5:11; Jude 3-4, etc.). Repent and follow Jesus by exposing false leaders! (Matt, 23, etc.). While feigning to love Jesus, you are defending one of the false prophets He repeatedly warned us about who spent her life leading precious souls away from Him and into eternal hell. Repent.
Since when is warning Christ’s sheep of the devouring wolves hateful? Since when is such judgmental? It’s only wrong in the eyes of those who are biblically illiterate. They have time to watch TV, listen to clowns like Osteen, etc. and no time to diligently study God’s Word. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15). DO YOU warn your children when they are young to stay away from the street? Yes. Why? TO PROTECT THEM. How hateful would you be NOT to teach them to stay clear of danger?
So, are you saying the apostle Paul was being unloving and judgmental when he said this to a false prophet? – “And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:10).
You are attempting to selfishly protect and defend those who have told you everything’s okay without repenting (tickled your ears while flattering your flesh). They make you feel good now but you will hurt forever unless you truly repent and lay down your life and truly follow Christ – become HIS disciple. When you do, you will forsake the false Christs and idols.
As the Holy Ghost foretold, false prophets in this late hour are very popular because most would rather listen to feel good, tell-me-what-I-want-to-hear stories than “endure (hold themselves accountable to) sound doctrine.” But rather are “turned unto fables” which are feel-good, it’s all about ME stories (2 Timothy 4:2-4).
“WHO HATH BEWITCHED YOU? THE LORD SAYS COME LET US REASON TOGETHER.CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE. TRUTH CUTS AWAY AT THE FLESH, YES THE FLESH AND GUESS WHAT? IT HURTS NOW DOESN’T IT? BUT SHALL WE PLEASE MAN?(GOD FORBID) OR GOD? THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THESE APOSTATES, THEY DELIVER A SELF SERVING, GOOD FEELING, EAR TICKING, DOCTRINE OF DEVILS! JESUS CHRIST SAID TO DENY OURSELVES AND PICK UP OUR CROSSES AND FOLLOW HIM.NOT MAN! BUT THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT THEY PREACH, NOT TO READ THE WORD AND NOT REPENTANCE AND NOT BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST. O GOD, FORGIVE THEM THAT REFUSE YOUR TRUTH, WE KNOW YOU WARN US OF THE STRONG DELUSION SENT FORTH BY YOU, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE, BUT FATHER, FOR THE GLORY OF JESUS CHRIST, AND THE LOVE HE HAS FOR HIS BRIDE, GIVE THEM EARS LORD! GIVE THEM EYES!IN YOUR PRECIOUS AND MIGHTY NAME – THE NAME OF JESUS – WE PRAY! AMEN! I SAID AMEN!” SHANNON COOK
If you are defending wolves, you have no clue of true, New Testament Christianity because you have not truly laid down your life (repented, which is essential to salvation) and have therefore followed the voice of the enemy of all souls who is speaking through his false prophets (2 Corinthians 11:12-15). And, what we are seeing in this very post is God’s merciful attempt to get you to see that you are not following Christ and are in need of true repentance.
Those who defend Christ’s wolves are quite hypocritical actually. Isn’t it amazing how some people who come out of the woodwork to judge me/us for obeying God by identifying His enemies, are telling me/us we’re being judgmental? So, let’s get this straight – they freely judge and condemn those who warn the flock of God while saying we’re wrongly judging others by exposing those others to be Satan’s wolves. Wow! Can anyone spell “h-y-p-o-s-c-i-s-y”? Oh and not one of those who condemn and who are judging us have ever once said anything good about a post. Wow. No edification or agreement with truth, only condemnation for exposing their favorite wolf they have formed a soul-tie with instead of forming an intimate, abiding relationship with the One they claim to be serving (John 15:1-6).
“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.” Romans 2:1-2
You want to see vicious hatred? Just watch when wolves are uncovered by divine truth via Christ’s true, obedient remnant. Oh yes, you are going to see some of the vilest hatred you have ever seen from the defenders and supporters of those enemies of Christ. On this note, Shannon Cook writes:
“BELOVED BRIDE OF CHRIST, DEVILS COME BACK IN FULL FORCE TO DEFEND THEIR WOLF, THIS IS TO BE EXPECTED. THEY DESPISE TRUTH AND EXPOSURE OF LIES.”
Mark Herridge writes:
“The whole ‘judge not’ philosophy that has entered into the modern church has served to take the church further down the road of apostasy. It is a dangerous thing when we are told that we cannot use the Bible to judge matters concerning the church, the leadership of the church, or even those that claim to be a part of the church. It is certainly a fallacy to believe that we cannot compare people to the Word of God to determine what type of person they are. No sane person would allow a stranger to babysit their children without a background check and references, or in other words they are going to judge that person by some type of standard before placing their children’s lives in their hands. Everything should be judged by the Word of God, and it is absolutely biblical for us to do so.”
Those who aren’t warning the flock are not protecting the flock and are exposed as wolves themselves (Colossians 1:28).
Hell hath seen not fury like the scorn of a gullible follower of a wolf. They will lash out with pure hatred and malice while condemning you for daring to expose the wolf who is tickling their ear (2 Timothy 4:3). I make no apology for this “controversy.” Actually, this is exactly what we are told will happen when we discern –
“And they (true pastoral watchmen) shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to DISCERN (distinguish) between the unclean and the clean. 24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.” Ezekiel 44:23-24
“BUT YOU’RE NOT THE JUDGE” CRIES THE NOW EXPOSED WOLF-SUPPORTER. YES, THE LORD IS THE ULTIMATE JUDGE. AND GOD WILL JUDGE FOR SURE AND HE WILL JUDGE US FOR OBEYING OR NOT OBEYING HIS WORD WHICH INSTRUCTS US TO EXPOSE HIS ENEMIES IN ORDER TO PROTECT HIS SHEEP. YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
It’s called discernment and judging righteous judgment (Ezekiel 44:23-24; John 7:24; 1 Corinthians 5:11-13, etc.). This doesn’t mean recklessly condemning anyone but it does mean discerning and pointing out false teachers whom Paul says are “accursed” (Galatians 1:6-9).
Saints, this whole thing of counterfeits balking about their favorite wolves being exposed for who they really are simply underscores the need to obey God by “earnestly contending for faith,” the original Gospel, revealed to us in the Holy Scriptures (Jude 3-4).
It seems like those who don’t want false prophets exposed (and so they defend them) are the ones who love the lies they have been told by those wolves. Isn’t this exactly what the LORD is saying through His prophet Jeremiah when he had him write that “My people LOVE to have it so” (Jeremiah 5:31; 2 Timothy 4:3). This would be biblical actually. Look at what the people who had once served God were saying to their leaders in Isaiah’s day:
“That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: 10 Which say to the seers (leaders), See not; and to the prophets (leaders), Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: 11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.” Isaiah 30:9-11
As it was in the prophet Isaiah’s day so it is today. It is “a rebellious people” who love lies and despise the law/Word of God and so by their attitudes and actions say “Don’t go overboard with all this Christian stuff. Going to church is good enough. Give us smooth, deceitful things! Continue to be enemies of the cross of Christ (Philippians 3:18-19)! We don’t want to be part of dying to self so Christ can reign in our daily lives! We just want Heaven but refuse to be bothered and inconvenienced with obedience to what Jesus instructed! We ‘love’ Him only inasmuch as we believe He’s going to get us out of hell!”
Wolves are identified as those who oblige this self-loving, self-serving, pleasure-loving last day generation of those who do have a “form (outward appearance) of godliness” and yet deny the power or authority of Christ’s reign in their daily lives (2 Timothy 3:1-7).
WHY WOULD ANY TRUE DISCIPLE OF JESUS WANT TO PROTECT THE WOLVES WHO ARE POISONING THE CHILDREN OF THE ONE THEY CLAIM TO BE SAVED BY? WHY WOULD ANY GENUINE SERVANT OF CHRIST WANT TO BID GOD SPEED (ENDORSE, DEFEND, SUPPORT) TO A FALSE TEACHER? WHO PROFITS WHEN WOLVES ARE LEFT COVERED? AND WHO SUFFERS WHEN DECEIVERS ARE LEFT UNIDENTIFIED, UNDETECTED, UNLABELED, AND UNMARKED? WHO IS BENEFITED BY CHRISTIANS WHO KEEP THOSE RAVENOUS WOLVES HIDDEN FROM OTHER SHEEP?
These and other questions must be asked and sorted out by Holy Scripture which gives us “ALL things that pertain unto life and godliness” (2 Peter 1:3-4). Firstly, you will note that our brother Lee Ebbs did not mention any specific wolf (although that’s biblical to do also) … he is speaking the truth in order to “mark” (identify) false teachers and to warn Christ’s sheep so they can be safe (Romans 16:17-18).
Is it Biblical to Mark False Teachers?
Millions are being taught by the wolves who have deceived them not to expose them. I was personally taught by the wolves who deceived me not to ever speak a word against them. They were covering their tracks by using Scripture out of context to their own self-serving advantage (Philippians 3:18-19).
ACTS 20:27-32 IS TRULY KEY TO SEEING THE APOSTOLIC FAITH AND HOW IT AND THOSE SAVED BY THAT ORIGINAL GOSPEL ARE TO BE SAFEGUARDED AGAINST THE ENEMY’S WOLVES. ALSO PHILIPPIANS 1:17 AND JUDE 3-4. IF YOU NAME THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, PLEASE STUDY THESE PASSAGES PRAYERFULLY AND CAREFULLY.
Identifying the Source
Firstly, let’s establish exactly who “false apostles” and all false “ministers” are from. Are they of God or Satan himself?
“But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” 2 Corinthians 11:12-15
Any person who is not discerning all leaders and teachings against the Holy Word of God is in blatant disobedience to the LORD who says, “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).
We are commanded to never endorse or help in any way those who do not preach strictly God’s Word, which is “the doctrine of Christ”:
“For MANY DECEIVERS are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves (take personal responsibility to earnestly contend for the truth), that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth (remains) not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth (continues) in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 7-11
BE CAREFUL: IF you dare defend or promote or in any way condone the enemies of Christ, you are going to hell with them (2 John 10-11). Repent sinner.
BIDDING GOD SPEED TO DECEIVERS (FALSE TEACHERS, FALSE RELIGIONS, ETC.) MAKES ONE THE ENEMY OF CHRIST AND UNDER THE SAME DIVINE CONDEMNATION AS THE WOLF THEY ARE CONDONING (2 JOHN 7-11; 2 CHRON. 19:2).
ANY PERSON WHO BIDS GODSPEED (CONDONES OR DEFENDS IN ANY WAY) TO ANY OF THESE “MANY DECEIVERS,” WILL BE JUDGED WITH THOSE WOLVES.
THE DISCIPLE OF CHRIST MUST NEVER DO ANYTHING TO FURTHER THE CAUSE OF THAT WHICH GOD CONDEMNS. TO HELP SOMEONE WHO IS TEACHING “ANOTHER GOSPEL” – ANY MESSAGE DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL GOSPEL – IS TO FURTHER THE CAUSE OF THE ENEMY OF THE ALMIGHTY AND THE EVIL HE PERPETRATES ON PRECIOUS SOULS (GALATIANS 1:6-9).
Are you the enemy of God? Is His holy wrath upon you? We should repent of helping wolves before the LORD judges us for participating in this betrayal of Him.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALL WISH TO BE CIVIL. YET, GOD’S VERY WORD CALLS/LABELS EVILDOERS AS DEVILS/CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL. IF YOU CHOOSE TO SUPPORT A FALSE PROPHET (ENEMY OF CHRIST) AND DO NOT REPENT BEFORE YOU DIE, THEN YOU WILL RECEIVE THE SAME ETERNAL “DAMNATION” AS HE WILL (2 PETER 2:1-3). IF YOU AGREE WITH, VOTE FOR, HELP, ENDORSE, OR IN ANY WAY BID “GOD SPEED” TO THE WICKED, YOU ARE PARTAKER IN THEIR JUDGMENT (2 CHRONICLES 19:2; 2 JOHN 10-11). GOD MADE UP THE RULES IF YOU WILL, NOT US. HIS MESSAGE IS CLEAR. HE WILL JUDGE YOU AND ME IF WE CHOOSE TO SIDE WITH HIS ENEMIES WHICH INCLUDE ANYONE WHO ESPOUSES DOCTRINE OR LEGISLATION THAT VIOLATES HIM/HIS WORD.
To an evil man who withstood the LORD, His servant, and His blessed Gospel message, Paul said:
“AND SAID, O FULL OF ALL SUBTILTY AND ALL MISCHIEF, THOU CHILD OF THE DEVIL, THOU ENEMY OF ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS, WILT THOU NOT CEASE TO PERVERT THE RIGHT WAYS OF THE LORD?” ACTS 13:10
“Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.” 2 Chronicles 19:2
ANY person who helps the ungodly is equally as guilty as those devouring wolves in the eyes of a holy God who says “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues” (Revelation 18:4). If you in any way “bid … God speed” to or in any way help or defend a wolf, you yourself are just as guilty as they are in the eyes of God.
“The Bible gives us no liberty to tolerate the incursion of evil into the church. We are not to be passive; we are not to be neutral. Proverbs 8:13 says, The fear of the Lord is to hate evil. It is sinful to compromise with evil. It is sinful to be neutral toward evil. In John 10:10 Jesus spoke about the thief, the devil, who comes: to steal, to kill and to destroy. We always need to remember, whether it is in an individual life or in a congregation, the devil only comes with three objectives: to steal, to kill and to destroy.” Derek Prince
Making determinations about false leaders – “BY THEIR FRUIT” is not sin, it is obedience to Christ and the message of His holy apostles (Matthew 7:15-23). In order to keep themselves hidden – not seen for who they really are – spineless wolves have taught their audiences well.
These wolf defending counterfeits have nothing good to say of the many good, scriptural things about God’s truth put out by the LORD’s watchmen and yet hypocritically claim the watchmen are being judgmental WHILE they simultaneously judge and condemn those watchmen! Go figure folks! Deceitful haters of truth.
When your system of theology or the wolf propagating it trumps the very Word of God, you are lost and without the Savior just exactly as were the evil-hearted religious devils Jesus rebuked when He said
“Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men (you let your tradition trump God’s Word), as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:6-9)
Who is “of God” and who is “NOT of God”? – “He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).
No person can serve religion or any religious leader and Christ simultaneously. Jesus said “He that is not with me IS against me” and “NO man can serve two masters” (Matthew 6:24; 12:30). Paul wrote “Ye cannot drink of the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils” (1 Corinthians 10:21). One may vainly think they are serving Christ but if that person doesn’t walk with God according to His Word and only His Word, that person is not right with God.
TO EXPOSE A WOLF IS TO EXPOSE THE UNREPENTANT HEARTS OF THOSE WHO PATRONIZE, SUPPORT, GIVE EAR TO, AND DEFEND THOSE WOLVES. WHAT’S AT STAKE? THE THIN VENEER OF THEIR OWN LITTLE PAPER FORTRESS THEY HIDE BEHIND IS BEING DISMANTLED. THAT’S WHAT’S AT STAKE.
“Let God be true and EVERY man a liar.” Romans 3:4
WHAT do Jude 3-4; Romans 16:17-18 and Ephesians 5:11 tell us? If you don’t personally have a foundational knowledge of the doctrines of Holy Scripture, you have no clue and have no business commenting with your useless opinion (mine is useless too – all that matters is what God’s written Word says!). If you don’t know God’s Word, you are still unlearned and a babe in Christ at best (Hebrews 5:11-14). You should open your King James Bible and read and begin learning every single Bible verse given in this important article. Only His holy truth will make you free from ignorance (John 8:31-32; 17:17). So, if you truly fear and love the LORD Jesus Christ, it’s time to begin this moment to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15).
THOSE WHO FACILITATE THE WORK OF SATAN’S WOLVES, THE VERY ENEMIES OF JESUS CHRIST, ARE SAYING THAT THESE EVILDOERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE – TO DESTROY ETERNAL SOULS – UNHINDERED.
If you are defending wolves, no matter what your iniquitous, demonic excuse, you are of Satan and against Christ. “He that is not with me IS IS IS against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.” ~ The Son of God, Matthew 12:30. You are scattering abroad which means you are endorsing and facilitating the separation of souls from Christ, the only Savior. It’s time for you to repent and be truly saved.
Defending wolves enables them to continue to devour the sheep for whom Jesus bled on that cross to save!
YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE THE FLACK WE SOMETIMES RECEIVE FROM CHRIST-DESPISING, WOLF-PROTECTING, DEVIL-DEFENDING PEOPLE WHO COME AGAINST US FOR SHINING THE LORD’S LIGHT ON THE DARKNESS OF SATAN’S WOLVES (EPHESIANS 5:11; ROMANS 16:17-18; 2 CORINTHIANS 11:12-15). IN TRUE HYPOCRITICAL FORM, WHILE SAYING WE ARE WRONGLY CONDEMNING OTHERS, THEY SIMULTANEOUSLY HARSHLY CONDEMN US WITH NO SECOND THOUGHT. WOW! UTTER HYPOCRISY! … GOD BE PRAISED – WE ARE NOT WORTHY TO RECEIVE PERSECUTION FOR OUR LORD JESUS’ NAME! SEE EZEKIEL 44:23-24 VERY CLOSELY. OKAY, HERE IT IS:
“And they (true under shepherds) shall teach my people THE DIFFERENCE between the holy and profane, and cause them to DISCERN (distinguish) between the unclean and the clean. 24 And in CONTROVERSY they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments (written Word): and they shall keep (uphold) my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies…” Ezekiel 44:23-24
According to the above passage, “controversy” will come to those who teach Christ’s people to “discern” between light and darkness, truth and error. It will usually come from those who claim to be saved but do not love the truth (John 8:47); 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12).
AMAZINGLY, THESE WOLF-DEFENDING COUNTERFEITS HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY OF THE MANY GOOD THINGS ABOUT GOD’S TRUTH PUT OUT BY THE LORD’S WATCHMEN AND YET HYPOCRITICALLY CLAIM THE WATCHMEN ARE BEING JUDGMENTAL WHILE THEY SIMULTANEOUSLY JUDGE AND CONDEMN THOSE WATCHMEN! GO FIGURE FOLKS! DECEITFUL HATERS OF TRUTH.
Your Prayer of Repentance: Holy Father, thank You for sending Your only begotten Son to pay the full price for my sins and the sins of the whole world. Through His precious blood I come to You this moment, asking You to please forgive me for any way I have bid God speed to Your enemies who deceitfully and clandestinely pose as Your representatives. Open my eyes through Your Holy Word and Holy Spirit so that I am able to see the wolves You so often warned us about and to withstand and expose and mark them as you mandated for Your people to do. In Jesus’ holy Name, amen!
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Note: WHO’s THE REAL BAD GUY? ARE YOU Being Exploited by a Pulpit Pimp? – “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” ~Apostle Paul, Galatians 4:16… WHO’s the real “bad guy”? SO, God’s watchmen who are warning you so you can be safe and secure from the fires of eternal damnation are the mean spirited ones, right? So, ask yourself: When you are in hell, burning, suffering and fully conscious, in excruciating pain without end, WHO then will be the bad guy? If you die having followed these prophesied false prophets, you will have no one to blame but yourself – for being so gullible and foolish and not getting before the LORD in a real way. No, instead of loving the LORD and His truth/Word, you chose to follow the self-serving, thrill-seeking, greed-crazed crowd who made a circus out of “church.” What does 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 say? Why hasn’t the wolf you are following shown you this passage? JUST WHAT is he/she trying to hide from you? Once you are in hell, burning, how wonderful will you think these wolves are then and for eternity when it’s too late?
Typical Hypocritical Judgment Coming from those who Yell “Don’t Judge My Favorite Wolf!”
Personal attacks from people who hide their own shortcomings while judging yours are going to happen folks. It’s interesting how hypocritical it is that while judging and personally condemning you for supposedly wrongly judging others … it’s okay for them to condemn you while telling/condemning you not to condemn others. Unreal. Ever heard the term “chasing your own tail”? We, as Christ’s body are called to sound the alarm on those misleading His sheep with false teachings. That’s God’s judgment, not man’s. The men and women who sound the alarm do so in obedience to the command of the LORD (Romans 16:17-18; Jude 3-4; etc.). So, since we all have shortcomings in this or that area, does that mean we should cease to serve God? No, we just work out our own salvation with fear and trembling as the LORD works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure (Phil. 2:12-13). So, if you have shortcomings – if you are not sinless perfection – does that mean you are a hypocrite for teaching your children to stay away from the street so they don’t get killed? Think about it …
From Shannon Cook:
“They reveal the proof in their rotten to the core fruit. NEVER dares Joel utter the biblical word repentance. Why? BECAUSE HE’S A MESSENGER OF SATAN! It’s really NOT that difficult to see, if you’re God’s elect people. But without God’s Holy Spirit dwelling inside of you, we can show you Scripture after Scripture that PROVES this and you will not believe! You want a “feel good” doctrine of devils, follow Joel and Victoria and the many like them, to the bowels of hell. But read your Bibles, every apostle in the Bible dies BAD! And they preached the truth! Boiled in oil, stoned to death, crucified upside down. And they did it all for the glory of our King! Best life now can go back to hell where it came from! Satan we rebuke you from this thread, and the people you’re trying to come in through, in Jesus Name! Amen. One thing we cannot do is sugar coat the gospel of Jesus Christ. We’re accountable to Him alone. The blind not only lead the blind, but the blind defend the blind. Beloved, it isn’t judging, when we expose the lie, with the truth of the gospel, for the sake of Jesus Christ and his bride. Amen.” Shannon Cook
Dialogues / Feedback
Message Received for Exposing Osteen’s False Teachings:
“What part of LOVE one another don’t YOU get!!!”
Reply:
What part of “earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints” do you not get? Jude 3-4 … how loving is it to allow people to continue to be deceived?
This is a clear product of clueless people who refuse to diligently and daily study God’s Word for themselves and so they relegate their learning and understanding to a spineless moral coward who is nothing but a story teller who refuses to “preach the word” (2 Timothy 4:2). What we are seeing is an exact, to the “T” fulfillment of this prophecy:
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables (stories).” 2 Timothy 4:2-4
You are defending “ungodly men” who pose as Christ’s representatives but are seen not to be by their false teaching and practices …
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 3-4
“Wow this hits it on the head, some people need to pay attention to what God says in his word about people causing division. God’s not happy with it at all. And on top of that they need to obey God and quit being under subjection to people, but being subjection only to God. Amen.” Paula
Of those who defend wolves, Stephen Michels notes:
“You are living in sin and need a justifier for it. THAT’s WHY you defend wolves!”
“Been running into a lot of these “wolf defenders” as of late … These people have a great spirit of pride, and they tend to fear men rather than God. Also they have no clue about what salvation is and don’t know what Bible to read.” Aaron Paul Johnson
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TO A WOMAN WHOSE IDOL WOLF (or wolves) has been exposed, by the ministry, …. and who accused myself and others of hate for exposing these enemies of the LORD, and came strongly to his/their defense, I wrote:
You are the one with hate …. you are defending the very wolves who are leading millions to hell … you care more for your idol wolves than you do the millions they are misleading to hell ….. apparently you still love this world and the things in it (fleeting riches) and therefore the lust you have not repented of is causing you to worship and defend these mere sinful men and women … 2 Tim 4:3-4 … This is the epitome for delusionment saints. …. here she is boldly posting pictures of her idols (Ez. 14:3) who have taught her to covet the riches of this fleeting world and thereby she has forfeited her eternal riches, which is Christ and eternity with Him.
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To a person that insisted that they were not going to partake with the expose’ of wolves, the following reply was sent:
Yes and LOVE and TRUTH cannot be separated. In fact, those who truly walk in God’s love, tell God’s truth (Ephesians 4:15; Proverbs 16:6). It’s not God’s love if it’s not accompanied with a sincere love for God’s truth.
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Message Received:
“I will await the judgment of God Mighty, The True Author and Finisher of My Faith…because He also States Do Not Argue and Quibble over My Words…do only what will Edify and When Souls….that’s why He said Judging is His Job, and His Alone…I will Never Be Arrogant Enough To Presume To Do God’s Job For Him… I trust Him and the Holy Spirit Alone….gracias for your words though…i have taking them to my Father God In Prayer….be well mí amigo…”
Reply:
Interestingly, you seem to be boasting about not wrongly judging others while you condemn me. If you wait for the Judgment Day without taking close heed to what the JUDGE has told us in His Word/Judgments, it will be too late. It’s an open book test and you WILL fail the judgment if you don’t study and know what pleases and what displeases the Judge of your eternal soul. See Prov. 28:9, 13. You seem to be under the notion that it is loving to not speak the truth directly and not to uncover the very enemies of the LORD (2 Corinthians 11:12-15). It’s actually displaying hatred to not expose Satan’s agents who pose as Christ’s representatives so that precious, eternal souls can be protected and spared (Matthew 7:15-21, etc.).
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Message Received:
“Brother your bitterness is plain for all to see. Pray for those you might think are missing it but to publicly bash them is certainly not Christ like at all. Just stick to preaching Christ.”
Reply:
You gullibility is clearly manifesting. The Bible never specifically says pray for wolves – but it does say to “mark them” so that others can be warned. No offense but you are a novice as far as Bible knowledge, otherwise you would know this. What THREE things did the apostle Paul do to prepare Christ’s body to meet Him? Colossians 1:28 – PWT – Preach, WARN, Teach.
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To a person who objected to the expose’ of wolves (false prophets) who are destroying souls and calling them at times “devils,” a reply was given this way:
Hi. How are you? Hope all is well. One thing’s for certain, this is not a salvation issue (essential). God’s LOVE can only be defined by God’s WORD and not by emotions. ACTUALLY, strong rebuke is what God uses to get to an otherwise hopeless, hell bound conscience – that’s love and mercy, not hate. Was it hate or love for God to demand that the believers at Corinth turn that unrepentant fornicator over to SATAN? (1 Cor. 5) Well, it led to that man repenting so he wouldn’t go to hell for eternity (2 Cor. 2). Was that love or hate? Are we wiser than the Almighty? Have we been swept away in the apostate, false “love” that is defined by the sinful whims of mere men? … Was the great apostle Paul hating when he told a man “And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, THOU CHILD OF THE DEVIL, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:10) Paul called this guy a “child of the devil.” Was the apostle of Jesus walking in hate? Was the Son of God being mean and hateful when He lambasted the evil leaders of His day who were leading millions to hell? Was Jesus Christ being hateful or loving when He told those wolves they were going to hell 3 times in Matthew 23? “Open REBUKE is better than secret love. 6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.” (Proverbs 27:5-6) Is rebuke (with the truth) hateful or a manifestation of God’s mercy? Titus 1 says “For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith … They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” Titus 1:10-16 Is Truth Negative or Positive?
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“Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” Luke 12:40
Was recently asked to be the care giver for a family friend the last week. Saw daystar TV preachers by the dozen…. and heard not even 1 of them speaking of and preaching to warn the body of Christ to be “ready” for Christ’s return. Unreal. Apostasy. I hadn’t watched “Christian” TV for many years and found it to be just as apostate as before. Not one of those wolves was preparing Christ’s body for His soon return which means at least many of them will not be ready as Jesus says you must be to be with Him (Luke 12:40). Paul preached, warned, and taught the body of Christ in preparation of Christ’s return (Colossians 1:28).
Any and every preacher not warning you constantly to be “ready” for Christ’s soon return is an agent of Satan.
In discerning true and false leaders, it’s at least as important to judge what they are NOT preaching as to judge what they ARE preaching. What they are purposely leaving out is deadly. And, you don’t know what they are leaving out if you don’t have a growing and working knowledge of Holy Scripture which can only come by way of diligent, daily study (2 Timothy 2:15).
“And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” Luke 21:34
Repentance is Essential
NOTHING in God happens until we surrender in repentance …. Refreshing awaits ….
“Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.” Revelation 19:7-8
JESUS CHRIST, THE ONE WHO BLED FOR OUR SINS ON THAT CROSS, ISSUED CLEAR CONDITIONS FOR ENTERING HIS ETERNAL KINGDOM.
PLEASE show us all where the words “once saved always saved” or “eternal security” or anything similar appear anywhere in Scripture. They don’t. IF God wanted us to believe this heresy, 1. He’d be contradicting Himself, and 2. He, the Almighty sure forgot to tell us so….. now repent and denounce the lie of the evil one and preach the truth.
The remnant body of Christ is identified by their love for and preparation to meet their soon coming KING, Jesus (1 John 2:28-3:3).
TODAY, each of us is proving manifestly exactly WHO we are serving – Christ or self. Matthew 22:37-39; Romans 6:16; Galatians 6:7-8; Revelation 1:3; 22:14, etc.
“But IF (denotes the conditional nature of this divine promise) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” 1 John 1:7-10
The fact that this passage says that we must admit that we have sinned does not give excuse to live in sin. No, we are told in verse 7 to “walk in the light” in order to be continually washed by the blood of Jesus and verse 9 tells us we must confess all sin to be forgiven of sin.
—– We must let Him wash us … initially and perpetually … “Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. 9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. 10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.” John 13:8-10
Notice the “IF” here … “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” 1 John 1:7 …
Christ is the One who saves us and we know from the full counsel of His Word that all who are presently in Him are set apart to Him/sanctified/holy (Ephesians 5:25-27; 1 Corinthians 6:19-20; Hebrews 12:14-17, etc.). Sanctification is a work done by God in those who are born again and currently abiding in Him (John 15). These alone are ready for the soon return of Jesus (Luke 21:34-36).
THIS SUNDAY, many will sit under a wolf who instead of preaching Scripture like 2 Corinthians 7:1 and 1 Peter 1:15-16, will make excuse for sin. SMH You know you are listening to an apostate when there’s no call to true repentance and the crucified life in light of the soon return of Christ! RUN or you are going to hell with them!
From sister Debbie Lord this morning, for Christ’s body:
“May we stand cleansed by the shed blood of Jesus Christ
and full to overflowing with the presence/work of the Holy Spirit and God’s holy Word, in Jesus’ Name, amen. P.S. — Lord, we really want to see Your perfect will accomplished in our lives. Thank You Lord for your great mercies and faithfulness. This verse has been on my mind: Romans 11:33.”
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