“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” Psalms 12:6-7
Read that again, slowly. Psalms 12:6-7 conveys that God’s hand, His providence has been present all along in getting His Word into new languages. People who question the KJB seem to be very “I know better” arrogant. They are what some call “Bible agnostics” who believe God dropped the ball after the originals. Laughable. Seems to indicate damnable unbelief. See Hebrews 3:12-15.
What is an “agnostic”? There are some who believe God exists, or do not deny that God exists and yet, they don’t believe He is active in the affairs of men. In other words they believe the LORD checked out sometime in the past. False. God’s Word assure us that:
“The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.” Daniel 4:32
God is unchanging and so it would be impossible for Him not to be integrally involved in mankind’s affairs.
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” Hebrews 13:8
“God is love” which alone tells us much! (1 John 4:8, 16) One thing it reveals is that God would never abandon His own!
JESUS TOLD US THAT THE DEVIL IS A LIAR! (JOHN 8:44)
WHAT IS A “BIBLE AGNOSTIC”?
Bible agnostics are unbelievers (though many claim to be saved). They believe that somewhere along the line, God checked out and is not longer doing anything among men. They deny that God saw to it that His inspired Word made it in our language. The underlying iniquity is unbelief, lawlessness.
Recently a man wrote me and said: “I do want to understand my Bible in light of the culture and history of the people who wrote it.”
REPLY:
No. First off, it’s not YOUR Bible. It’s God’s Word! You will only understand the Bible by believing the Author of that Word. And what did He promise He was going to do and did do? See Psalms 12:6-7. Curious minds will be deceived. Read Proverbs 3:5-7 and 28:26. The devil has a million ways to question and cast doubt upon God’s Word – which he’s done from the beginning (Genesis 2:17>3:4 and 3:1; Deuteronomy 4:2; Jeremiah 26:2; Mark 4:15; Revelation 22:18-19). God’s people are known in that they hear and believe His words. Memorize John 8:47. His people don’t question His wisdom, His words.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“The Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic, and translated into many languages and translations – one of which was the King James Version. Be careful of worshiping an English text. Tyndale, Wycliffe, and the Geneva Bible preceded KJV. Since 1611, the KJV has had to amend an error or two from the original printing. The original manuscripts are God breathed. Translations into all languages are used by God to bring to light the gospel of Jesus. There ARE things called “the Bible” that are not at all. Among those are “The Message Bible” and “The Passion Bible.” But there are several good translations in English.”
REPLY:
Identifying God’s true Word does not equal “worshipping the English text.” In perfect fulfillment of the divine prophecy of Psalms 12:6-7 is manifested in the King James Bible.
I get leery with those who are wormish, squirmish, don’t like the idea of a definite article BIBLE that is truly God’s Word. That tells us something about such people. We see satan himself working in those who cast doubt on God’s Word…. and want to expand the scope of what His Word might be so they can escape truly dying to self in this fleeting life…. at heart they are rebels, unaccountable.
Indictment upon the Almighty you make here – “The original manuscripts are God breathed” – in order words “God stopped working, He dropped the ball. He didn’t guide the translation of His Word through HISstory. These are the thoughts and words of an agnostic who believes theirs a God (so do the devils) and yet He’s not active in the affairs of men – which is a lie (Dan 4:32). Snake in the Garden.
If you dare, if you have nothing to hide, to list what “bibles” you use or respect as true. And we shall blast those counterfeits for all to see. This isn’t just a difference of opinion, this is war and you are on the wrong side. Genesis 3.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Those who say the KJV is the ONLY English Bible that can be trusted have NO credibility with me. You can post a million links from that site and I won’t read a one.”
REPLY:
Those who defend clearly fake “bibles” have no credibility with me…. they have the devil in their lives…. no doubt since he was the first to question and change God’s words and still does so through human snakes today. Gen 2:17; 3:1, 4 etc.
Bible agnostics love to coddle satan’s counterfeit fake “bibles”, the corruptions and contradictions of the Word of the God they falsely claim to love. Bad fruit.
Contrary to this man’s accusations, the Word of God itself and history seem to mesh together in the preservation of God’s Word in the King James Bible (Psalms 12:6-7). The preservation of the divine Scriptures certainly couldn’t possibly be the LORD who is behind the use or defense of the completely fraudulent “bibles” Stuart uses and names in this conversation. They are clearly false, having come from corrupted Vatican manuscripts. ESV, NASB, and NKJV.
The lawless do not want to believe that God put His hand on and kept His holy sovereign hand on the preservation of His Word all the way through HIS-story (Psalms 12:6-7). If they were to believe that His Word is preserved, which would mean we have it today, as He clearly promised, then they’d be accountable to that Word. But instead, they evade the King James Bible and lamely migrate to fake catholic “bibles” have reduced the doctrines of the original Gospel down, have mutilated the contents….. Rebellion seems to underly those who protest that the King James Bible is God’s actual, preserved Word in fulfillment of Psalms 12:6-7.
“People just can’t understand the King James Bible” is nearly the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. Such a deceived person doesn’t mind that God’s Word has been butchered…because he has no fear of God, does not love God, and loves his darkness rather than the light of Christ, the light of truth (John 3:19-21). Anyone who crassly overlooks the butcherment of the Almighty’s Word, has zero fear of God. Counterfeits.
Below is by Will Kinney
Stop Lying About It!
These “experts” who teach in most seminaries today speak many pious sounding lies in hypocrisy, like saying there are only “minor” variations in the wording, when in fact there are literally thousands of words either added or omitted from one version to the next, and hundreds of verses that have completely different meanings from the others in the Bible Babble Buffet, and yet they piously “contend for the inerrancy of THE Bible”, which they will NEVER actually identify or take a stand on.
And they do all this with a straight face.
Why do so many Christians today continue to LIE about what they really believe about “the Bible”? For example, James White SAYS he believes The Bible IS the infallible words of God. I asked him this question personally on his radio program. But when I asked Mr. White where we can see a copy of this infallible Bible he PROFESSES to believe in, he immediately changes the subject. The simple fact is this –
When James White, and others like him, says “I believe the Bible IS the infallible words of God” he is not referring to a real, tangible, in print, hold it in your hands and read Book at all. He is referring to a mythical, imaginary, hypothetical, invisible and non-existent, phantom “bible” that he has never seen, does not have and certainly cannot give to anybody else.
In other words, he is professing a fantasy faith in a Fantasy Bible. And then he thinks we King James Bible believers who have a real Bible printed on paper between two covers we can actually hold in our hands and give to anybody that asks to see it are “a cult”, and even heretics.
In his way of thinking, those of us who confess faith in a tangible, preserved, and inerrant Bible are “heretics” and “cultic”, but people like him who LIE when they say they believe the Bible IS (as though it really exists) the infallible words of God” are somehow “Orthodox”.
Actually, the polls show that there are many who, at least privately in an anonymous poll, are beginning to be more honest about their beliefs and admit that they do NOT believe “The Bible IS the inerrant words of God”.
God is a God of truth and He cannot lie (Titus 1:2) and we His people are supposed to speak truth one with another. “Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: (Eph. 4:25)
God says in His word – “Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight.” Proverbs 12:22
God’s word also tells us that the last days will be characterized by LYING. “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils (Yea, hath God said…?) SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY…” 1 Timothy 4:1-2
If you go to almost any Christian website or Church home page they tell you what they supposedly believe about “The Bible”. You will usually read words to the effect of “We believe the Bible IS the inerrant and infallible word of God.” Notice their use of a present tense verb “is” as though it were something that EXISTS now.
However, if you press them about it, you soon come to find out they are not talking about any real or tangible “hold it in your hands, read and believe every word is true” type of Bible. No, they don’t really believe such a thing exists. Then they begin their backtracking, Double-Speak Dance by saying something like “Oh well, only the originals ARE inspired and inerrant.” Well, my Christian friend, there ARE no originals and everybody knows it.
Two such prominent Liars and “highly respected men in the Christian Community” are James White and Daniel Wallace. Both men profess to believe “The Bible IS the infallible words of God.” But if you ask either of them where we can get a copy of this inspired and inerrant words of God Bible they SAY they believe in, they will NEVER tell us.
James White is the demonic Protestant Pope of the New Vatican Versions.
Likewise Daniel Wallace, professor at Dallas Theological Seminary and main creator of the well known NET version, has written an article called “Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today”. See my rebuttal to his article here.
The very first thing Dan Wallace says in his article where he criticizes the King James Bible is: “First, I want to affirm with all evangelical Christians that THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, INERRANT, INSPIRED AND OUR FINAL AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND LIFE.”
Notice that Dan Wallace is using a present tense verb here – IS – when he professes to believe The Bible IS the word of God, inerrant, inspired and our final authority.” Sounds great, right? So where IS this inerrant Bible he piously professes to believe in?
A little later in this same article Dan Wallace writes – “NO TRANSLATION IS INFALLIBLE”. Wait a minute. What’s going on here? At this point it behooves us to ask Dan Wallace and James White and others like them, WHERE exactly IS this “inerrant and inspired Bible” you guys piously PROFESS to believe in? Do you perhaps have an UN-translated Bible in “the original languages” of Hebrew and Greek that you can show us that you honestly believe IS the inspired and infallible words of God? Not a chance. They will NEVER actually SHOW you this inerrant Bible they SAY they believe in, and they know they can’t. In simple, biblical words, folks, they are lying.
Ad hominem – Are You Nicer Than God?
“Translations of Scripture ARE the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.” Pious sounding statements like this are absurdly hypocritical on several levels.
First of all, they have never seen a single word of these originals a day in their lives and the originals never did make up a 66 books in one volume Bible to begin with. Secondly, it is absurd to affirm that “translations are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original”, when they HAVE no original to compare ANY translation to! So how could they possibly know if what they have come up with at their Bible of the Month Club “represents the original” or not?
They try to give you the impression that they have “the originals” or a copy of them right there in front of them and they’re looking to see if their “late$t and be$t ver$ion” matches the originals or not. THEY ARE LYING.
To take the position of “ONLY the originals ARE inspired and inerrant” is to leave the Christian with no inerrant Bible NOW, and there is no getting around this obvious truth.
A far more honest “statement of inerrancy” based on what they really believe (and most other Christians today too) would go something like this: “IF the originals had survived and WOULD HAVE BEEN placed into a single volume consisting of 66 inspired books, THEN THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN the inerrant and 100% historically true Bible we could have believed in. Unfortunately God did not do it this way and so we just have to do the best we can with what we have and nobody is really sure about or in total agreement with everybody else about what any particular reading or text might be. So, go with God and hope for the best.”
Even AFTER I pointed these things out to a Christian man named Matthew, he came back with this statement: “I believe the originals are inerrant and I believe the stream and transmission we have is the best we can expect. I do not see any reason to assume error as we continue to strive forward we have more access to affirming a bible as close to the originals as possible.”
He still doesn’t get it, does he. There ARE no originals, so how could he possibly know he is “close to the originals as possible” or not?
By the way, this Matthew also posted that he “likes” the NKJV, the NASB and the ESV. Apparently he is either unaware or “sees no reason to assume error” in the fact that among these three modern versions they differ textually by literally thousands of words, including numerous whole verses, and a couple of them reject scores of Hebrew readings, and hundreds of verses have completely different meanings. Matthew also tells us that he thinks Mark 16:9-20 and 1 John 5:7 don’t really belong in the Bible, but he still maintains that he “sees no reason to assume error.” Does this modern day Christian’s lackadaisical attitude toward the words of the living God look anything like what we see in the Bible of those “that tremble at His word”? (Isaiah 66:5)
All I am asking for is more honesty from folks when it comes to saying what they REALLY believe about the Bible. I, along with thousands of other Christians, am a King James Bible believer. We do not have to LIE when we say we believe the King James Bible IS the complete, inspired, inerrant and 100% historically true words of God. That is what we really believe.
You do not have to agree with us on this. You may think we are completely wrong, ignorant, uneducated, “divisive”, the spawn of Satan, a “Cult” or what seems to be even worse – a Ruckmanite :-0 But at least we tell you what we really believe and are not LYING ABOUT IT.
By the way, this same Matthew posted a poll called “Is KJV onlyism a cult”. It seems more than a tad ironic that in his mind Christians who actually believe their Bible IS the inerrant words of God belong to a Cult, but apparently those who don’t believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS inerrant are now considered to be “Orthodox”. We do live in interesting times, don’t we.
It is comments like these when they call us Bible believers “a cult” or “idolaters” that caused me to write an article called Are King James Bible believers “Idolaters”?
IF you are an “originals only” type of Christian who believes that ONLY the originals ARE/were inspired and inerrant, and that “No translation is perfect”, then just say so. Be honest about it. But don’t stand in the pulpit or write on your blog things like “We believe the Bible IS the inerrant words of God”, when you have no such Bible anywhere in print to give to anyone, and you know you don’t. STOP LYING ABOUT IT!
If you are an “originals only” type of Christian with a non-existent, hypothetical “word of God” and all you can hope for is an ever changing, evolving, ballpark approximation to what you think God may or may not have written (though none of you agree even among yourselves), then just say so. Go ahead with your “I believe only the originals were inspired and inerrant” and leave it at that. It is good that you say “The Bible contains the truth that Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead and those that believe on Him shall receive forgiveness of sins.” We believe that too and want it preached. But don’t use pious sounding words or religious phrases like “the Bible IS infallible” or “the Scriptures ARE the inerrant words of God” when you don’t really believe it for a second. STOP LYING ABOUT IT!
“Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.” Isaiah 66:5
What the Bible Agnostic “Experts” Are Really Saying.
When pompous, self appointed, wannabe scholars try to sound like some kind of expert we usually hear the same old, trite mantras time after time.
Case in point. When asked by a Bible believer (John W) where are all of God’s preserved words today? our wannabe expert (Ron F) replies: “we have the manuscripts.”
And he then further shares his distilled wisdom in the matter by telling us: “Everything else is a translation and there is not any translation out there that does not have some issue including the KJV.”
So what exactly is our resident “scholar” telling us here? Simply that he is his own authority.
In order for our “expert” to know that all translations have “issues”. (nice way of saying “blunders and errors”), Ron would have to have some kind of an Absolute Standard that he actually has in his possession that he has read and studied for himself and by which he sits in judgment on “all translations” and finds them to be wanting – or having “issues”.
DOES Ron F have such a Standard? Of course he doesn’t. It’s “out there somewhere” (The X Files bible) in all those unidentified “manuscripts” that he has never seen and probably can’t even read.
You see how the wannabe expert game is played, folks? We see this type of hubris and foolishness on a daily basis when we talk to professing Christians about what they REALLY believe about “the Bible”.
Ron F and so many others like him couldn’t show us a copy of ANY Bible in any language that they honestly believe is the complete and inerrant words of God if their lives depended on it, and they know they can’t.
But they are just too dishonest and too proud to come right out and admit it. So they try to dazzle us with their empty, pious sounding platitudes in a pathetic effort to make us think that they really ARE Bible believers after all, and that they have some kind of an inside scoop on what God REALLY said.
Of course, they will never actually SHOW US A COPY of it, but they will pretend that they are privy to what it really is.
And it’s my bet that it’s only going to get worse.
“In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did that which was right in his own eyes.” Judges 21:25
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I agree it is the best English translation; nevertheless the Bible was written in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. That is God’s Word, everything else is man’s attempt to dictate that Word in their own tongue. To suggest that the Bible was ratified in the English language is a kind of supremacy cult.”
REPLY:
Aren’t you generous to say that the KJB is the best English translation 😉 It’s not only the best it is God’s Bible for the English speaking people. You are misled and perhaps innocently. God promised to preserve His Word and He did into our language (Ps 12:6-7). Saying that God, the Almighty, was not able to fully bring His words into our language is an indictment on the Almighty. You are saying His power is diminished and that He doesn’t care about this generation and are calling God a liar to say that His Word is less in English that it was in the other languages and you have no proof of such – and seem to be acting as if your puny opinion is authoritative. You are a “Bible Agnostic” at this point.
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Apostasy
Dispensationalism Exposed as an Antichrist Cult [podcast]
The Dispensational Cult of Evangelicalism Exposed
God’s Word never instructed anyone to rightly divide the word of truth via dispensations. There is no such statement of instruction in Scripture. And therein is this cult born and based.
One of the things that allures and seduces unsuspecting buyers into dispensationalism is the idea of neatly organizing world history into 7 dispensations. Yet it’s a trap that has snared many who have refused to organically study the whole of God’s Word in honesty before Him (2 Timothy 2:15). The LORD specifically instructs His people to “study … ALL Scripture” and therein obtain/attain to His truth (2 Timothy 2:15; 3:16-17; 1 Timothy 4:6). The individual study of God’s Word is vital – where it’s just you and the Word and Holy Ghost. Paul commanded and God commands each of us to study His Word for ourselves. Read 2 Timothy 2:15 afresh and see this instruction. In God’s Word, one will discover the deafening silence, the utter absence of any instruction to learn or divide His Word into dispensations at all or as a basis for understanding – much less such being an essential, a basis to understanding God’s truth as is declared by the dispensationalists.
A cult indoctrination system is what the dispensational cult utilizes.
“I appreciate this lesson. My church recently went dispensational, and now they teach that the four gospel and Acts aren’t written to us. They are saying only Roman through Philemon are applicable to New Testament Christians. Oh yeah, Paul preached a different gospel than Christ, and the Kingdom of Heaven is different than the Kingdom of God (SMH). This is sure confusion. Pray that my wife and I will find somewhere else to serve Christ. Thanks.” Matthew
Dispensationalists are clearly anti-Christ! This alone proves it.
The first part of this message is from Joshua Tapp, a man who was at one time ensnared in this cultish indoctrination system of dispensational theology. “Systematic” theology? Well, WHO is determining the system? Is this just another trap set for those who wish to be organized in their study? That way they can be made to believe that they have a grasp on the Bible and yet it’s built on falsehoods. May God bless each of us to be careful and discerning saints. As you peer into dispensationalism, you will find that someone upline if you will, has decided for themselves and you, that no one can possibly understand and rightly divide the truth of the Bible unless they study it in dispensations – something the Bible never hints much less instructs us to to do. An organized, personal, systematic studying of the Bible is one thing, and being indoctrinated into and by man’s system is yet another thing.
The roots of dispensationalism are cursed. One disciples notes: “The popular foolishness of John Nelson Darby’s dispensationalism teaches that if you miss the rapture, you need to be one with the Jews, who will be sacrificing animals in a rebuilt temple. Total heresy.”
Dispensationalism = Garbage = I Studied It For Years And Believed Garbage by Joshua Tapp
- I want to talk about dispensationalism because it’s something I studied for a few years.
- And it’s something I stopped studying because it’s pure trash that doesn’t match the Bible.
- Dispensationalists usually teach a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, which we know is completely false.
- You’ll find dispensationalism mainly in Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches.
- And I want you to see what they’re teaching today so you NEVER fall for this trash.
The word DISPENSATION is in the King James Bible 4 times. All 4 instances are in the New Testament.
- The Apostle Paul wrote the 3 books with these 4 occurrences. 1 Corinthians, Ephesians, and Colossians.
- I want to read those 4 verses to you as we get started today. Then, we’ll go over each in detail.
[3] 1 Corinthians 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
[4] Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
[5] Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
[6] Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
- So, what does dispensation mean in these 4 scriptures that we just read? We’re going to find out.
- Think of the word DISPENSE. Dispense means to distribute, or to give out.
- A candy dispenser gives out candy. A gumball machine is a dispenser of gumballs.
- And to help you remember DISPENSATION, I’m going to give you some candy today.
- I’m going to be a candy DISPENSER right now. I want you to remember what dispense means.
Dispense is the act of distribution or distributing something. To deal out. To give out. To grant something.
- A soap dispenser gives out soap. Do you understand what the word dispensation means now?
- It’s really that simple. The definition of the word dispensation is even explained right there in Colossians.
- Paul says, “according to the dispensation of God which is GIVEN to me for you.”
- Paul is telling us all about the GOSPEL and giving the Gospel to us just as God gave it to Him.
In other words, he is a DISPENSER of the Gospel. That’s what we’re supposed to be. DISPENSERS of the Gospel.
- You got excited over the candy being dispensed, right? Well, the Gospel is much better than that.
- We’re supposed to be DISPENSING the GOSPEL to as many people as we can so they might be saved.
- We’re supposed to be BRINGING or GIVING the GOSPEL to others. Do you see this?
- So, that’s 1 of 4 verses that we’re going to look at today. Let’s look in detail at the other 3.
- I’m going to show you what each of these mean, and then we’ll see what DISPENSATIONALISM is today.
- You’re going to see that DISPENSATIONALISM being taught in churches is not BIBLICAL at all.
Now, look, this was only a short introduction to DISPENSATIONALISM.
- All of their false doctrines are easy to disprove with the Bible.
- Dispensationalism is a false doctrine invented by a man named John Nelson Darby.
- He even wrote his own Bible version called Darby’s Translation.
- It’s just like the modern corrupted versions. He thought he was the only that was right.
- Just like Joseph Smith of the Mormons. His people are going the same direction.
- They’re moving away from God into all this weird doctrine and teaching. Don’t be a part of that.
- He invented the PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE in 1830. It doesn’t exist in the Bible.
- When you read Revelation word by word and verse by verse, it makes no sense.
- We need to pray that the deceived get away from these churches teaching false doctrines.
Dispensationalists say We are Saved by Grace but Others weren’t. They say others were saved some other way.
There aren’t different AGES with different ways of being saved.
“If the Bible tells us in John 1:17 that “GRACE and truth came by Jesus Christ”, long before Paul was even saved, how were those 8,000 people at Pentecost saved? (Acts 1-4) After all, Paul didn’t get saved for many years after that (Acts 9). So, the world could only get saved after Paul came along? Is Paul the Savior or JESUS? Did “grace and truth” come from Jesus or Paul? Repent now, vile sinner (John 1:17).” Todd Tomasella
- The dispensationalists say that we’re in the AGE OF GRACE. (a made up “age”)
- They say that we are saved by grace but others weren’t. This is very important to understand.
- The truth is ALL PEOPLE OF ALL TIME are saved the exact same way.
- We’re all saved by GRACE through faith. Everyone in heaven right now got there the exact same way.
- We did an entire sermon on people throughout the Bible and how they were saved.
- Hebrews Chapter 11 tells us all of these people were saved by faith.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
- So, they (dispensationalists) come up with all these FAKE DISPENSATIONS that aren’t in the Bible.
- How did God divide the Bible? There’s 2 parts to the Bible. The Old Testament and the New Testament.
- The Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Notice the division is a TESTAMENT.
- The Bible isn’t divided into the Old Salvation and the New Salvation. It’s not a different way to salvation.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY commandments.
- Jesus is the AUTHOR OF GOD’S LAWS. Those are all HIS COMMANDMENTS within the Bible.
- Does Jesus say, “In the future, don’t worry about following my laws because you’re under grace.”
- The Bible itself DESTROYS this false doctrine of dispensationalism. But they can’t see that.
- When you create false teaching like dispensationalism, it gets more and more weird the further you go.
More below from Todd Tomasella …..
WHERE does God’s Word tell us that one cannot “rightly divide the word of truth” unless he does it through time dispensations? Nowhere! When the dispensationalist insists in “context, context” and “rightly divide”… what they are really saying is “No one can rightly divide God’s Word except the dispensationalists.”
Randy Yandell writes: “Those holding a theology that teaches more than one plan of salvation for any people in any age are certainly to be separated from. These are the same that would creep in with the majority unaware bringing in a damnable heresy that tells us God is a respecter of persons. They are accursed and we certainly should separate from them except to “rebuke them sharply” that they may come to the knowledge of the truth.
Paul himself tells us that dispensationalists are “accursed” for saying there is “another gospel”, more than one (Galatians 1:6-9).
Dispensational heretics teach that Jesus’ kingdom Gospel is obsolete and that only Paul’s matters – “Romans to Philemon” they say. So they are antichrist for putting Paul in place of Jesus. They deify Paul and are in need of repentance before it’s too late. Cult.
Our kids and young adults are getting swept into this stuff by the truckloads. It’s a couple of decades past time to get serious about opposing it.”
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“All the bible was written FOR us….but not all was written TO us. Romans through Philemon is all the New Testament saint needs.”
REPLY:
These dispensationalist wolves hyper preach that THEY alone rightly divide the Word of truth…. it’s a smokescreen they hide behind as they’ve been indoctrinated into this cult. Dispensationalists require that their prey read extra-biblical books first in order to understand the Bible. HUGE RED FLAG – and the absolute sign of indoctrination. They are butchering the Word of God. WHERE O where did Jesus, Paul or any of the apostles instruct believers to view the Bible through dispensations? Chapters and verses please? You are being completely deceived by a mere cliche’ pawned on your mind. “ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God” and not just some. Even the OT is “for our learning” (2 Timothy 3:16; Rom 15:4).
You did NOT come to this conclusion for yourself. Mere men, sinners imposed it upon your mind. The Bible never tells you this. It’s not in the Bible. The Bible never instructs anyone saying things like “you can’t rightly divide and understand the Bible unless you do it via dispensations” … so did God forget to tell us something or are we deceived?
Dispensationalists are saying that only Romans thru Philemon are valid which means that the other 14 books of the New Testament canon are invalid and that God made a mistake by including them. They are adding to and REMOVING from God’s Word and their names and yours will be removed from the book of life – Rev 22:18-19
You are deifying Paul, a mere men, less than the least of all sinners who said there is “NO good thing” in himself except Christ (Ephesians 3:8). This whole system of demonic theology is all to save counterfeits from truly laying down their lives in this present world and following Jesus by the daily cross, the crucified life. This is the exact perversion of grace Jude 4 foretold. You have no clue who deceived you are and now you’re spreading this heresy.
Here’s the big clue for those who gullibly, foolishly, sinfully bought into the lies of the dispensationalist devils: You did NOT go into the Bible and discover these things. No, you were gullibly led by false teachers and took the bait, hook line and sinker and it’s because you aren’t studying God’s Word organically for yourself. And so, when these cult leaders brainwashed you to believe that only THEY were rightly dividing the Word of truth, you fell all over your foolish self to drink in that poison. Mark This: No one ever studied the Bible for themselves with the Holy Ghost and came out with those heresies. Sinful men mined out these twisted lies and then began to spread those doctrines of devils….. “MANY false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many.” (Matthew 24:11)
The fact that you have to go through a whole lengthy workbook curriculum to learn the interpretation system of dispensationalist should be a red flag. This is introductory indoctrination.
This whole explanation dispensationalists give complicates the simple, original Gospel, the revelation of which should be obtained by organic reading of the Word of God for oneself as Scripture instructs (2 Timothy 2:15). Those who believe this system get this theology from other mere men, commentators and false teachers (such as Scofield). Someone imposes it on them, pretending to make understanding the Bible simpler. They forgot to mention the poison. Instead of personally studying the Bible organically, some want a short cut and so what they do is hook up with some ministry that is pushing a system. Laziness is also a contributing factor when men choose to go to seminary – to supposedly study a book, the Bible they’ve had in their possession for years. Enlisting to be indoctrinated would sum up the course of seminarians and those who follow their heretical theology. Dispensational “seminary,” signing up to be indoctrinated via their systematic curriculum, is a recipe for diabolical doctrinal disaster.
MESSAGE FROM DISPENSATIONALIST:
“Dispensationalism leads to understanding the Bible without contradiction. Non-dispensationalism leads to satanic heresies and Bible ignorance.”
REPLY:
This is laughable at best. You are clearly a blasphemer who is saying that the Holy Ghost can’t teach God’s people God’s Word. Wow! Repent sinner.
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” John 14:26
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.” John 16:13-14
“But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” 1 John 2:27
MESSAGE RECEIVED FROM A DECEIVED DISPENSATIONALIST:
“There is more than one gospel in Bible. However, there is only one gospel that is to be preached today. Watch closely👇 Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Notice, Paul, (when speaking of the gospel) says which “is not another”. He does not say which WAS not another, or for that matter, which never will BE another. A bible believer knows that in the future there will BE another gospel. (Revelation 14:6) Paul is not saying that there never was or will be another gospel. He is simply saying there is no other gospel other than his, at this TIME. (“Which is not another;”) Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Note that Paul warned that even if an “angel from heaven, preach any other gospel”. But Revelation 14:6 declares that an angel WILL preach another gospel. “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,” And if you’ll read Revelation 14 and pay close attention to the context you’ll notice that something is missing. OUR gospel! (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) ~Christ dying for all our sins, and rising the third day to give us His eternal life is not there. ~God through Christ reconciling the world unto himself and no longer imputing the our sins is not there. ~Being saved by grace through faith alone in Christ alone, without any works of any-kind at any-time, is JUST NOT THERE.”
REPLY:
Totally convoluted.. You are simply regurgitating what you learned from false teachers. You claim Bible believers know there’s another future gospel coming. Not. WHAT gospel would that be since the true Gospel (Good News) is Jesus Christ and His death, burial, and resurrection? (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) You are misusing Scripture. You reference Revelation 14:6 which states: “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.” “The everlasting gospel” is the same Gospel – nothing supersedes Jesus Christ, the eternal God and He is that Gospel, that everlasting, eternal Good News, Gospel. His death, burial, and resurrection is memorialized for ever. You are making things up to say that “the everlasting gospel” spoken of here is another gospel. Ridiculous. Heretical. If the Gospel spoken of here is “the EVERLASTING gospel”, it further proves that God has only one Gospel – past, present, future. That means it has never and will never change. Your theology is convoluted. Eternal security is yet another lie of the dispensational devils. Repent now sinner.
HOW MANY GOSPELS ARE THERE?
The following bulleted statements are from one source concerning dispensationalism theology:
- “They (dispensationalists) say only Paul taught being ‘in Christ’. Rom 16:7; Gal 1:22-23 among others, show these people were named as being ‘in Christ’ before Paul was in Christ.
- Contrary to what they teach, the Word clearly teaches that the Jewish church was ‘in Christ’ and that Paul preached the same faith he once persecuted. Rom 16:7; Gal 1:22-23
- Some (dispensationalists) teach there are Two different gospels — that the Jew is saved by faith plus the law and Gentiles by Faith alone. Because Paul said ‘my gospel’ they think it was somehow different than Peter, John, James (Rom 2:18; 16:25; 2 Tim 2:8). Even though elsewhere he called it ‘our gospel’ (2 Cor 4:3; 1 Thess 1:5; 2 Thess 2:14). There is only one gospel not two, the just have always lived by faith. (Hab 2:4; Rom 1:17, Gal 2:16, 3:11) The righteous have always been declared so by belief in God and His promises. From the beginning. Some just see the Jews transitioning from the law as we see in Galatians 2 with the public rebuke of Peter, Barnabas and James.”
The phrases “another gospel” and “any other gospel” could mean but one thing – that there is only one Gospel (2 Corinthians 11:2-4; Galatians 1:6-9). Dispensational theology teaches that there are two gospels – one for the Jews, and another for the Gentiles.
“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:6-9
Past, present, and future, the Lamb of God and His crucifixion will be celebrated in glory – “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” (Revelation 13:8)
Paul not only uses the term “my gospel”, he also uses the words “THE gospel” as in only one Gospel! In fact, in the New Testament canon, the words “THE gospel” appear 86 times while Paul’s use of the words “my gospel” appear only 3 times. Paul himself used the term “THE gospel” 59 times! I will leave it to you to do a search of the words “THE gospel” on your King James Bible software. Your jaw will drop as 86 results appear. And as you do, notice that the words “THE gospel”, a phrase used before and after Paul used this same term, further proving there’s only one Gospel – “THE gospel” of Jesus Christ – which is not exclusive to Paul’s dispensation (dispensing) of it which simply refers to his stewardship of the calling God gave him to dispense the one and eternal Gospel of Jesus Christ who is the Gospel.
Paul says that anyone preaching “ANY other gospel” than CHRIST’s Gospel, is “accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9) There’s only 1 Gospel – Christ’s. Dispensationalism is demonic.
There is no end to the debacle of this dispensational system of heresy. Before Paul was even saved, the words “many believed” appears 4 times in the Word of God and 1 time shortly after Paul was saved (John 2:23; 8:30; 10:42; 12:42; Acts 9:42). The Bible clearly says “many believed” and so we know they were “saved.” (John 6:47) Yet the dispensationalist would say they are not saved because they couldn’t be saved till Paul came along. So, were those people, those “many” who believed, believing into “another gospel” – a gospel other than that one Gospel of Christ spoken of throughout the New Testament canon? There’s Only One Gospel of Christ and as seen in the Bible verses listed above, people were clearly saved BEFORE Paul was saved much less before he wrote the books God ordained him to pen!
HOW do you know if someone is imposing something upon the Scripture text they are reading from IF you haven’t personally, organically, thoroughly studied the whole of God’s Word for yourself? You don’t.
Dispensationalists claim that the only essential part of the New Testament and Bible for that matter, is the writings of the apostle Paul. The demonic dispensationalists claim that only Paul’s words really matter, not Christ’s or the other holy apostles and writers of the New Testament and whole Bible canon. But Paul, whom they deify, disagrees.
“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, EVEN THE WORDS OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.” 1 Timothy 6:3-5
Dispensational Theology Exposed



Abiding
Jesus’ Counsel to the Lukewarm [podcast]
Laodicea: How Jesus Instructs the Backslidden to be Restored
Jesus’ Letter to the Church at Laodicea
“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
The cross, the crucified life is the cure to the curse of sin—sin dominating our lives.
Romans 6
Inflation is part of the judgment of God upon a wicked people, nation. We see such in Sodom and in Laodicea (Ezekiel 16:49-59; Romans 1; Revelaton 3:14-22).
“It appears that in this scarcity each might be able to obtain a bare subsistence by his daily labor; but a man could not, in such cases, provide for a family.” Adam Clarke
Your money doesn’t go far….. inflation
“Revelation 6 describes the opening of the first six seals, which represent God’s judgment, often called the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. The third seal, broken by a “black horse,” is interpreted to show hyper-inflation and famine, where a day’s wage (a denarius) buys only a quart of wheat. The judgment includes a command to preserve the oil and wine, which some interpret as luxury goods, while essential food becomes scarce and expensive.”
“6:5, 6 In obedience to the third living creature, a rider holding a set of scales came forth on a black horse. This represents famine, which often follows war. A voice in the middle of the four living creatures announced that wheat and barley were being sold at prohibitive prices. The scales were used to weigh the rationed grain and were thus a symbol of famine. The expression do not harm the oil and the wine is difficult. Some say that these were the food of the poor. If they were staple items, then they must be protected in order to preserve life. It seems more likely, however, that the luxury items of the rich are contemplated here: historically, even in famine the rich can get some luxuries.” Believer’s Bible Commentary
The only thing needed to go to hell is to not be on fire for Jesus—to be “lukewarm” (Revelation 3:15-16).
Jesus instructed the Laodicean church… to obtain, to “buy of me….
“3:18 The people were counseled to buy from the Lord gold refined in the fire. This may mean divine righteousness, which is bought without money or price (Isa_55:1) but received as a gift through faith in the Lord Jesus. Or it may mean genuine faith, which when tested in the fire, results in praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ (1Pe_1:7).
Also the people were counseled to buy white garments, that is, practical righteousness in everyday life. And they should anoint their eyes with eye salve, that is, gain true spiritual vision through the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. This counsel was especially appropriate, since Laodicea was known as a center for banking, textiles, and medicines—especially eye salve.” Believer’s Bible Commentary
“Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee – O fallen and deceived soul, hear Jesus! Thy case is not hopeless. Buy of me.
Gold tried in the fire – Come and receive from me, without money and without price, faith that shall stand in every trial: so gold tried in the fire is here understood. But it may mean pure and undefiled religion, or that grace or Divine influence which produces it, which is more valuable to the soul than the purest gold to the body. They had before imaginary riches; this alone can make them truly rich.
White raiment – Holiness of heart and life.
Anoint thine eyes – Pray for, that ye may receive, the enlightening influences of my Spirit, that ye may be convinced of your true state, and see where your help lies.” Adam Clarke
Warning
“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.” Revelation 16:15
Coming forth as Purified Gold
“But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.” Job 23:10
To “come forth as gold” refers to the finished product, where gold has been purified of all its impurities.
“That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:” 1 Peter 1:7
“The fining pot is for silver, and the furnace for gold: but the LORD trieth the hearts.” Proverbs 17:3
Idolatry is Sin
Putting, having anything or anyone before Christ in our lives is the soul damning sin of idolatry. Such a person has rejected Christ for something, anything else.
One such idol, one such cause today is patriotism for one’s earthly country. See Hebrews 11:14-16.
SO, you are fighting to save America (impossible) and not see souls saved for and by Jesus? Yet you claim to be following Christ who said “I MUST be about my Father’s business”? See Luke 2:49. You are deceived and in need of repentance before it’s too late. You left your “first love” and are in sin, in darkness (Revelation 2:4-5).
“And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. 33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. 34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.” Daniel 11:32-35
“Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” Daniel 12:10
PRAYER: Father in Jesus’ name, please grant to my heart Your gift of repentance and the deep desire to have Your righteousness, to not be deceived by sin, Satan, or counterfeits and false teachers. Please forgive all my sins afresh, here and now by Your precious blood LORD Jesus. Unite my heart to fear Your name. Fill me with Your Holy Ghost and use me LORD. In Jesus’ name, amen.
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Abiding
The Lying Vanity of “Eternal Security” [podcast]
WHY was Satan expelled from God’s presence, from Heaven? What happened the last time sin was found in Heaven? Did God coddle it or kick it out? Jesus told us:
“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Luke 10:18
Oh and will we lose the ability to choose in Heaven? One man recently stated: “Even if you are in Heaven you do not have eternal security.” Interesting and apparently true…. because as I am sure you were alluding to, lucifer and a third of the angels still had choice in Heaven, they chose sin and were expelled (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-19; Luke 10:18).
Those who deal with the eternal securists know that it’s observable that these self-serving idolaters, counterfeits, want the assurance of salvation via lies instead of obedience. They campaign, promote, and defend their “eternal security” idol doctrine. If they spent the same time and energy seeking and obeying the LORD they claim to serve, there would be great fruit born.
No one is going to walk in peace and assurance just because they speak of it, claim it, or because they desire to have peace and assurance. No, it’s only when we obey the Word of God that His peace and assurance flood our being. There’s no short cut to obedience (1 John 3:16-18).
The assurance of salvation, of eternal glory with Christ, abides only in those who obey God. The OSAS wolves speak nothing of obeying the LORD. No, instead they spend all their time indoctrinating people with the heresy that they are eternally secure no matter what they do after being saved. Those who give more than cliche’s and lip service to God, enjoy the assurance of His salvation.
“My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby (by obedience) we know that we are of the truth, and shall ASSURE our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.” 1 John 3:18-21
Assurance of salvation in our hearts comes from abiding in and with Christ, from obeying Him – not sitting around convincing ourselves and others that we are “eternally secure” (John 14-15). Such is the occupation of moral coward counterfeits who are lost hell-bound souls.
Convincing people who aren’t abiding in Christ that they are eternally secure is criminal, sinful, and perpetrated by the grace-perverting “ungodly men” Jude warned us about (Jude 3-4). Instead of teaching them that God requires that they love and obey Him, they sidestep this unpopular truth and evilly, insidiously tickle the ears of their prey (2 Timothy 4:2-4).
Of 1 John 3:19, Adam Clarke writes:
“Hereby we know that we are of the truth – That we have the true religion of the Lord Jesus, and shall assure our hearts – be persuaded in our consciences, that we have the truth as it is in Jesus; as no man can impose upon himself by imagining he loves when he does not: he may make empty professions to others, but if he loves either God or man, he knows it because he feels it; and love unfelt is not love, it is word or tongue. This the apostle lays down as a test of a man’s Christianity, and it is the strongest and most infallible test that can be given. He that loves feels that he does love; and he who feels that he loves God and man has true religion; and he who is careful to show the fruits of this love, in obedience to God and humane acts to man, gives others the fullest proof that he has the loving mind that was in Jesus.”
The crux concerning the eternal security counterfeits is that they simply refuse to die – to deny self, take up the cross daily, and follow the Savior they claim is their Savior.
Believing that God requires man to participate in an abiding relationship with Him is not works salvation, it’s Bible 101. The only people who call an abiding walk with Christ “works salvation” are those who are vainly thinking they’re going to use Jesus to get them to Heaven, out of hell, without engaging in a relationship with the Great Bridegroom. These are antichrists. They teach contrary to Christ. Read John 15:1-6. Doesn’t their reasoning, their doctrine sound like the foolish virgins who were shut out of Christ’s kingdom? Yep. Read Matthew 25:1-13.
Instead of using that energy to lay down their lives, to be truly crucified with Christ, the OSAS defenders have endless energy to argue to justify sinning. Why? They simply do not love the LORD. They love self and they love their life in this world and will perish with it (1 Corinthians 2:9b; 1 John 2:15-17).
Eternal securists preach “grace, grace, grace” and yet they have more faith in sin, in sinning, than they do in God’s grace to keep them…. free from sin. They are “(…the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things)” (Philippians 3:18-19).
“For he that is dead is freed from sin.” Romans 6:7
Let me get this straight …… Jesus’ grace was enough to save you but is not strong enough to keep you from the sin He died and rose again to deliver you from?
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Romans 14:1-3. This post (exposing the heresy of OSAS) continues division among God’s people. God has chosen not to reveal all of Himself to any person. We are all in a broken state of incomplete revelation.”
REPLY:
Not true. You are quoting Romans 14 which is speaking of NON-essentials, not essential doctrine of the original Gospel given to us by Christ and His holy apostles. Those who do not continue in sound doctrine, in the teaching of Christ and His apostles, “hath NOT God” and are to be exposed (2 John 7-11).
The only one causing division is you – a false teacher who is perpetrating the same lie of Satan himself from the Garden of Eden, the original doctrine of devils (1 Timothy 4:1).
Believers are specifically mandated to “earnestly contend” against “ungodly men” who are “turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness” such as Satan’s first lie, his first teaching – OSAS/eternal security.
Jude 1:3-5
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.”
Divisions are needed – the divining between the truth-loving remnant of Christ and the counterfeits who espouse falsehoods (Romans 16:17-18). See also Matthew 10:34.
God has clearly, plainly revealed to us the OSAS/eternal security is a lie from His arch enemy and actually led to the fall of mankind in the Garden (Proverbs 22:17-21; Genesis 2:17; 3:4). The warnings against this heresy exist throughout His Word. You may wish to cease using the cop-out position.
Brother Raphael King writes:
“If once saved always saved is correct, then why does Satan tempt saved Christians? What is the aim of the tempter if not to entice the saved ones to sin?
If once saved always saved is correct, why did Jesus tell the man he healed of his infirmity to go and SIN NO MORE? John 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
I need your views on these if you think once saved always saved is correct, or you have believed a lie all long!”
According to man’s school of thought, eternal security (also known as “once saved, always saved”) is the belief that from the moment anyone becomes a Christian they will be saved from hell and will not lose their salvation.
But according to the Bible, someone that was once saved can still fall into sin, die in their sins and go to hell!
2 Peter 2:20-22: “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”
Let’s analyze some examples:
Judas was once saved! One cannot fall away from a place he has never been. So, accepting this falling away as truth, the conclusion is that one can be saved and then “fall away” or lose his salvation. How can a fallen man fall again if he was never saved at first?
Acts 1:25: “That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.”
Judas Iscariot was standing in the Lord, and a follower of Christ before he fell into transgression.
Demas was once saved…
Colossians 4:14: “Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.”
Philemon 1:24: “Marcus, Aristarchus, Demas, Lucas, my fellowlabourers…” These are saved laborers that Paul referred to.
But Demas later backslid to love the world….
2 Timothy 4:10: “For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.”
1 Corinthians 5 was written to believers who had fallen into fornication. “It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife.” Paul would not be preaching like this to those that are not yet saved.
The seven churches in Revelation were saved believers before they fell. The Bible recorded their good works. The remedy for them was repentance. Mind you these happened after Pentecost. The church at Ephesus backslid and left its first love. God out of His infinite mercy, sent a message of warning to them. Can you then say that these Churches are not truly saved at first? Then read Revelation 2:1-5 and see their stand before they fell.
Revelation 2:5: “Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.”
David once fell into sin, Saul once fell into sin, Solomon once fell into sin, Ananias and Sapphira once fell into sin, Lucifer once fell into sin! The lists are endless. These people were saved but somewhere along the line they fell into sin. Some had the grace to repent and utilized it while others wasted it, some didn’t have the grace to repent.
Those that said these people were not truly saved at first should bring evidence from the Bible and not self-assumption. You don’t assume the Bible, you believe it!
If once saved forever saved is true, why did the apostles write to believers that they should not commit sin and warned them to flee from fornication? The Bible talks about repentance in various chapters.
Eternal salvation is for those who always obey God. Once you disobey God, you will lose it just like King Saul in the Bible. The only way to reclaim it is through repentance.
Hebrews 5:9: “And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
Saved by Grace to Obey God
The OSAS counterfeits want to say that any obedience or good works for Jesus mean you are seeking to earn your own salvation. But the Bible tells us that we are saved by grace through faith which will always produce the fruit of good works. In fact we are created in Christ to do them!
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” Ephesians 2:8-10
He saved us by His grace to be “his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” Any questions?
Jesus requires that we overcome in order to reign with Him.
“And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:” Revelation 2:26
Those who keep His works to the end are those who trust and worship Christ and not self – He is their “first love.” (Revelation 2:4-5) Their works do not save them and yet they clearly prove they are His.
“Unto the end” is a requirement for eternal glory, otherwise you will be vanquished into the bowels of eternal damnation irrevocably. Faith is required by God to receive Christ’s salvation, and true saving faith always produces good works (Ephesians 2:8-10).
Isn’t our obedience to Jesus our LORD an expression of our love for Him?
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15
What did Jesus say concerning our lights shining and “good works”?
“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 5:16
“Be careful to maintain good works”
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.” Titus 3:8
O the endless stream of cowards who seek to evade personal accountability ….. In dealing with yet another heretic, I recently wrote concerning a man who believes he has no personal responsibility to worship, walk with, obey, and engage in an intimate abiding relationship with the Savior He claims saved him (John 15:1-6). He assumes no accountability because he seeks to use Jesus to get him to Heaven but has no interest in the cross Jesus says one must take up daily to truly follow Him-otherwise such a counterfeit is not following Him (Luke 9:23-24). Repent now sinner.
Moral cowards migrate to the “eternal security” heresy because they simply do not want to genuinely repent, to change. They want the crown but not the cross. They vainly believe they are going to use the Savior to get them out of hell yet want nothing to do with a worship-filled, engaged, abiding, fruit-bearing, obedient relationship with the Son of God while on earth. These are the rebels who will hear the LORD declare to them “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Matthew 25:4. Read John 15.)
In the biblical model of salvation, you’re not free to sin, you’ve been saved from sin, blessed to live free from sin.
“For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.” Romans 6:14
You are now the servant of God, not sin.
“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” Romans 6:22
Those who go back to sin after being saved, are in danger of hell fire – unless they repent and return to the LORD:
“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23
The wages of sin is STILL death (Ezekiel 18:4; Romans 6:23). God’s grace never changed His definition of sin. God will judge, will damn the souls of every person who dies in sin – whether they were saved in the past or not (Ezekiel 33:12-13; Revelation 22:11, etc.).
Lawless Workers of Iniquity
This warning below from Christ clearly tells us that “MANY” today who call Jesus “Lord”, who claim they are saved, are not.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (lawlessness).” Matthew 7:21-23
Joe Mann writes:
“When a person does what CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF tells them to not do or do…. it’s not their own work’s…..is it???
Besides a person is not in the PROCESS of being SAVED BY & until BELIEF in WHO & WHAT?
Luke 6:46-49
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Simply put, those who teach OSAS/eternal security/Calvinism, are sin-justifying, grace-perverting heretics.
The 5 points of Calvinism are utterly false, each and every one of them. Personally, I wear the scorn of the wicked eternal security and calvinist hereticks, as a badge of honor. According to the Holy Spirit’s warning through Jude, these have perverted the faith of the original Gospel of Christ and call it “the doctrines of grace” while they specifically pervert the grace of God. These are “ungodly men” who are “turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness” (license for sin) (Jude 4). We are to “earnestly contend” against them (Jude 3).
You could openly curse the Son of God and they’d say little or nothing. Yet, soon as you expose the lying falsehoods they hide behind and use to justify their sins, those devils behind those “doctrines of devils” manifest (1 Timothy 4:1-2).
Calvinist/osas heretics insist that one is devaluing the perfect payment of Christ on the cross for our sins…. are they?
Jesus’ work was perfect and this same JESUS gave conditions for man to appropriate His salvation. To say otherwise would be to say that everyone is going to Heaven, not matter what which is the heresy we call universalism. Yet some wish to ignore those conditions, those things God requires of anyone who will know and walk with Him. Many have bought lies, half-truths and aren’t being honest with the whole counsel of God’s Word. Jesus told His own 12 they had to “endure to the end” to be “saved” (Matthew 10:22; 24:13).
“Saved by grace through faith. Lets break this down for those who don’t understand… Its by Gods grace we’re offered the gift of salvation; yet that gift of salvation is activated through faith!! Without faith no man can please God. And if people think for one second they’re forced to abide or remain in the faith, they better get back in the word. Jesus even said that he is the true vine, and if we don’t remain in him, we are cut off… OSAS teaching is a lie! We must work out our salvation in fear and trembling before the Lord daily!! Endure unto the end!” Cristina
Specifically speaking to HIS own, Jesus says they must “abide” in Him or they will be cast into the fire (John 15:6).
“If a man abide not in me (does not remain with me), he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6
Response to a proponent of OSAS:
Please explain to all of us why EVERY person in the world isn’t automatically saved…. after all, Jesus paid the full price for their sin…. And, show us all in God’s Word how men don’t have free will. “Doctrines of grace” to you are actually the corruption of God’s saving grace and Jude warned us about vile wolves, “ungodly men” like you who turn the saving grace of God in Christ into a license for sin.
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (license to sin), and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 4
Here’s a Scripture text on true saving grace that you are allergic to and that your phony “grace teachers” never mentioned….
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;” Titus 2:11-12
Every false teacher is going to hell (2 Peter 2:1-3).
Calvinists speak of “doctrines of grace” while intentionally ignoring and evading Bible passages on grace such as Titus 2:11-12. Calvinists are con men. They are fulfilling the Holy Spirit’s prophecy through Jude as they over emphasize grace while deliberately evading certain grace Scriptures and mountains of truth (Jude 4). What about holiness – God’s holiness, and the truth that He said “Be ye holy for I am holy”? See 1 Peter 1:15-16. You purposely ignore it because you simply don’t want to die, to lay down your life in this fleeting world, to be crucified with Christ. Counterfeit. | Grace vs Holiness
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