Beware of the Scripture Twisting Jezebels [podcast]
The name Jezebel is spelled in Hebrew as “LYZEBEL” and it means “Baal exalts, un-husbanded one, without cohabitation and unchaste.” This spirit hates authority, despises correction, hates being subjected to authority and loves attention.
Some today attempt to use the following passage to justify women being elders, overseers in the body of Christ.
“And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:” Acts 2:17-18
Notice women can prophesy, and proclaim the Gospel and yet are not called to preach to men.
This passage above in Acts 2 in no way negates the clear declaration of the LORD that only men can be elders in His body. Yes, like the woman at the well, women can preach the Gospel and do many other ministries which we see them doing in the New Testament canon. Yet, in the case of eldership, being an overseer to His body, one of the qualifications is that such a person must be “the HUSBAND of one wife” which no woman could possibly be (1 Timothy 3:2).
So does God pour out His Holy Spirit on women in order to get them to do something He forbid them to do – to assume a place of leadership over men in the church (or home)? No.
Jezebel is alive and well and on her way to hell!
“What about Deborah?!”
“Using Deborah to justify jezebel is rebellion.
Pure and simple.
I’ve made posts in the past debunking the mantle/template of Deborah for women in the New Testament.
She was an Old Testament exception and not the New Testament standard!
And all the women in the New Testament never took authority positions in the church.
Faulty translations have lead many to believe these lies.
It’s always been PATRIARCHY and by extension POLYGYNY for God’s hierarchy and divine design 
” Vincent Roccagli
So many ungrounded people are functioning on pure human reasoning and rejection of the clear Word of God. This reveals that there is no cross in their daily lives which Jesus says is essential to following Him (Luke 9:23-24). The LORD foretold of the great falling away and women preachers are part of that (2 Thessalonians 2; 1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 3:1-7, etc.).
Please explain why you claim God changed, or why He didn’t mean what He stated here:
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” 1 Timothy 2:11-12
Has God changed or are you deceived? It has to be one or the other and it’s obvious that you are deceived. This is part of the reason women are not ordained by God to lead the general body of Christ. As was the case with Eve, they are easily deceived as the “weaker vessel” (1 Peter 3:1-7). Any person who believes women can be preachers or elders in Christ’s body is not a student of Scripture and is not a broken, humble, crucified disciple.
The fact that the LORD fills someone with His Spirit in this last hour is to testify of Christ and His saving grace but never to act outside of His stated roles for men and women. This is why she can stare the Word of God in the face and reject it (Mark 7:6-10; John 8:47; Proverbs 13:13).
“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” 1 Corinthians 14:33
—- There are NO female apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, or teachers under the New Testament (Ephesians 4:8, 11-12). Jesus gave these “gifts unto MEN” (Ephesians 4:8). There is not even one women mentioned in 27 books as an elder over Christ’s flock. Such is clearly forbidden (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In Acts 21:9 we read of Phillip’s daughters which “did prophesy” which is a gift of the Spirit (one of the nine-1 Corinthians 12:7-10). The office gifts are eldership functions for men called to be overseers over Christ’s flock, which is completely different than the gifts of the Spirit which every believer can function in and certainly women are seen doing such as Phillip’s daughters and how women are mentioned concerning operating in the gifts of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 14.
“Jezebel is a widely rampant spirit of rebellion that is hard to get rid of, rooted in pride, self-will, and self-sufficiency. Only the LORD can deliver but only if the individual truly repents and submits to Him, to His Word.” Anita Villarreal
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“God has used women since forever. Deborah was one of the judges in Isreal. A strong leader full of courage. The woman at the well after Jesus spoke to her ran and evangelized and told everyone of what Christ knew and did for her. The first to witness Jesus’ resurrection were women and they witnessed to the men. Lydia was one of the first believers among the Europeans and became a witness in her region.God has used many women..(Esther, Ruth, Hannah, Mary, Priscilla..etc) God can use men and women. All he needs is a willing heart, fully surrendered and that loves God with all their heart, soul and strength. Lets humble ourselves and let God use whom he pleases and ask for conviction from the Holy Spirit to open our eyes. Lett us not let this divide Christ’s body but let us seek for the truth through the word and Holy Spirit.” Evelyn
REPLY:
Lame defense Evelyn. This is human reasoning while you reject Scripture that expressly forbids women from being elders in the body of Christ. You are living by your emotions and not the truth and this is exactly why God forbids women from being elders in His body. God has used woman since the beginning, no doubt and yet, not to be elders among His people. God’s Word debunks your misuse of Scripture. The question at hand, being specifically discussed, is whether or not a woman can preach to men or be an elder. No. God specifically forbids women from being an elder in the body of Christ or preaching to men. 1 Timothy 2:11-12; 3:2. No woman can possibly be “the HUSBAND of one wife” which means all women are disqualified from being an elder in the body of Christ (1 Timothy 3:2). Case closed. Repent now. Notice how Evelyn conveniently forgets to mention that of the 12 apostles of Jesus, they are all men. Not 1 woman. Notice how the New Testament Scriptures show not even one woman acting as an elder in Christ’s body other than when Jesus sternly rebuked the church at Thyatira for allowing a woman to act as an elder (Revelation 2:20-24).
Recently I watched a short video of a jezebel who was twisting Scripture to seek to justify women being in the place of an elder in the body of Christ and preaching to men – both specifically and non-negotiably forbidden by God (1 Timothy 2:11-12; Revelation 2:20-24).
The counterfeits who push the idea, the jezebel doctrine that women can teach and preside over men are absolutely false and it’s astounding what lengths they will go to in order to twist the plain and clear reading of Holy Scripture. Manipulating the Greek to get the desired result is an age old trick of wolves.
It was very obvious to notice how this jezebel, this liar has demons. The dilation of her eyes and her facial expressions were clues (Hebrews 5:14). Her unnatural facial contortions made it obvious that she sought to manipulate her audience to buy that lie instead of simply speaking the truth of God in peace (James 3:18). She and the demons in her are seeking to manipulate the women listening to her, to convince them of this lie.
Beware saints.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I mean God created Men & Women to be equal partners and to always respect each other not to be sexist. It seems like you might have a problem with women in authority Todd, you should probably pray about that. Also there were women in the Bible that preached.”
REPLY:
No such thing as a woman pastor. “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” 1 Timothy 2:11-12
The elder in Christ’s body must be “the HUSBAND of one wife” which no woman could possibly be (1 Timothy 3:2).
God created the male and the female to fulfill specific roles and defined them in His Word. There is no female elder in the church anywhere in the NT. The men of Thyatira were rebuked for allowing a self-proclaimed “prophetess” named Jezebel to function outside the role of a woman in the church setting. Rev 2:20-24 ….. you must go deeper on the topic for yourself in God’s Word and cease following false teachers. Do you have a problem with male leadership? …. being biblical doesn’t mean someone has a problem with authority… it proves they are following God’s authority which is His written Word and not false teachers.
Also, I just caught this that you said: “Was it not Paul himself who said that not “God”? Wow. Friend, God is calling you to repent and walk in the light of His truth before it’s too late. You presently possess soul damning heresies. The Word of God was given to us by the Holy Spirit via the human writers, “holy men of God” …. it’s all GOD’s Word…. it is astounding the lengths counterfeits will go to in order to manipulate God’s Word in order to carry out their own rebellion.
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” 2 Peter 1:19-21
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:16-17
DID JESUS address Jezebel and the lame men who allowed her to function in the church? YES He did! (Revelation 2:20-24) It’s time to become enlightened and biblical!
Again…. “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” 1 Timothy 2:12
You know you are dealing with a counterfeit when they can read these CLEAR as crystal words and not repent. Have you no fear of God and are unrepentant. The authentic disciple of Jesus will always humble themselves and repent and be corrected by the Word of God – and that’s why He gave it to us (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
To a woman who was engaging a man in a Bible debate, I privately sent the following message:
“Even when you may be Scripturally correct, it doesn’t seem appropriate for a woman to be correcting a man. This is out of God’s order and something we never once see happening in the New Testament church, canon – where a woman corrects a man. That is God’s place which takes the responsibility off of the woman, and should be a relief. Read 1 Timothy 2:11-12 afresh. For now I am going to delete that conversation due to it being out of order. No offense taken here. Just wanting to make sure we, as God’s people, operate according to His stated order. Let’s let the men correct the men, just as we see in Scripture. The only instance we have of a woman exercising authority over men in the Bible, is with Jezebel in Thyatira. And such only happened when weak moral coward men allowed such, which is the focus of Jesus’ rebuke in the church of Thyatira (Revelation 2:20-24).”
Of this topic of whether or not a woman can be an elder in the body of Christ, one dear sister writes:
“Paul is forbidding women from filling the office and role of the pastor or teacher. He is not prohibiting them from teaching in other appropriate conditions and circumstances (Acts 18:26; Titus 2:3-4). ‘Usurp authority’: Paul forbids women from exercising any type of authority over men in the church assembly, since the elders are those who rule (5:17). They are all to be men (as is clear from the requirements in 3:2, 5). The prohibition against women teaching in the church is qualified (by Titus 2:4), which allows them to instruct other women (and probably children also). Based on Gods’ Word, I also believe Woman should NOT become pastors. Nothing wrong with speaking Gods; Word on Social Media to plant seeds to the lost.” Yvonne
Do you know who Ahab was? He was Jezebel’s husband. She controlled him (1 Kings 21:25; 2 Kings 9:22). Jesus primarily condemned the weak moral coward Ahabs (men) in the church at Thyatira for allowing Jezebel to function. Are you getting familiar with Revelation 2:20-24? If not, you will not see the full severity of allowing any woman to function outside of her divinely ordained order. Elders in Christ’s body are men, only men, never a woman (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 3:2). This is God’s non-negotiable order and it’s for her protection and the protection of those who would be victimized by a woman in an eldership position.
ANY person who puts their own supposed, self-appointed calling before the truth of God (written Word) and body of Christ is completely self-serving and has no concern for the LORD or His body whatsoever. In fact, such a person is completely departed from the LORD and will bring great destruction on the body of Christ if allowed – if suffered. This is exactly what Jesus addresses in Thyatira and calls it “the depths of SATAN” himself (Revelation 2:20-24) In their self-deceived hearts, they are sure that God has called them to minister in a way He clearly forbids – just like the Jezebel who was allowed by the Ahabs in Thyatira who was self-appointed – “calleth HERSELF a prophetesss” (Revelation 2:20-24.) Repent now.
JEZEBELs will not be tolerated. Truly God-fearing women, authentic virtuous daughters of the LORD, rejoice in the truth and find protection in adhering to the LORD’s order/Word. Numerous Jezebels attack and are dealt with decisively. They are manifesting their demons at the preaching of the Word of God. Having a respectful dialogue is one thing, seeking to correct and dishonor any man is absolute evidence that you are a rebel, a godless Jezebel! Even if the man is wrong, cease seeking to correct and argue doctrine with a man. That is not your place. 1 Timothy 2:9-15 – there is order in God’s creation! This nation is a Jezebel nation that has trained women in this rebellion from the ground up. There is order in the house of God and anyone not adhering to that order is a rebel! Repentance needed.
“God has order in the church, family, governments, etc. I’m perfectly happy being married, under my husband’s leadership, where God wants me to be. I used to have a really bad Jezebel spirit… and I’m beginning to realize slowly over time how much hell and destruction I caused in my marriage… and even though I was ignorant of what was going on… the damage was still done… and I was the guilty one! I started to recognize the JEZEBEL spirit in 2008 and that’s when I began my repentance and surrendering to God. He’s still cleaning me up! That spirit is HORRENDOUS and it’s taking a long time to fix things! But, praise God… all I can offer him is my broken past, my failures, and now… my worship! HE can restore my past and fix all the mistakes I made!“ A.
Women CAN share, pray, and prophesy (1 Cor 14) but not teach the body of Christ at large (which includes men). God has an order we must observe. – “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence” (1 Timothy 2:12). God fearing women know this to be HIS protection while Jezebels fume at this truth.
A WOMAN leading a church fellowship? Nope. A woman leading her household? Nope. Jezebel Exposed!
ANY woman who still believes she is to lead men is an unrepentant rebel Jezebel! Repent. There is NO excuse for this vile depravity. There will be no Jezebel in Heaven (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 3:2; Revelation 2:20-24).
“THROW HER DOWN”
At the end of her destructive miserable life, Jezebel was thrown down to her death from a high place, and eaten by dogs.
2 Kings 9
33 And he said, THROW HER DOWN. So they threw her down: and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses: and he trode her under foot.
34 And when he was come in, he did eat and drink, and said, Go, see now this cursed woman, and bury her: for she is a king’s daughter.
35 And they went to bury her: but they found no more of her than the skull, and the feet, and the palms of her hands.
36 Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel:
37 And the carcase of Jezebel shall be as dung upon the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel; so that they shall not say, This is Jezebel.
This is a clear divine statement. God had this witch thrown down eaten by dogs. All who die in the sin of rebellion which perverts the ordained will for the roles of male and female, will be thrown down into hell and eaten by the dogs of hell.
How many of Jesus’ 12 apostles were female? – ZERO.
IF you refuse to repent and observe God’s stated order of His creation – you prove to be an unsaved rebel (John 8:47; 1 Timothy 2:9-15, etc.).
“WHAT ABOUT JUNIA?” is a common question of jezebel women operating outside the stated order of the LORD. They are grasping for straws while intentionally ignoring clear Scripture truth.
Jezebels, desperate to prove their legitimacy to be elders, foolishly attempt to make Junia out to be a woman. Watch this:
“Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsMEN, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.” Romans 16:7
Paul says that Andronicus and Junia, my kinsMEN. Also, if Junia was one of the “fellowprisoners” of Paul, he was in that male prison section with Paul. Case closed.
So their whole argument rides upon the “a”, the fact that Junia’s name ends with an “a.” Joshua’s name ends with an “a”, does that now make him a woman? Yet they blatantly ignore the fact that God says one of the qualifications for being an elder in the body of Christ is that one must be “the HUSBAND of one wife” which only a man could possibly be (1 Timothy 3:2).
Each individual is known by how they honor or dishonor God’s Word.
“He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” Mark 7:6-9
Are women to correct men? Is that aligned with what God told us concerning His creative order? No. Keeping the divinely stated order is for the safety of all (Revelation 2:20-24).
God ordains that women are to be protected under the servant leadership of men. If a woman is allowed to assume the place ordained only for men, great judgment, death and destruction will come on that church (Revelation 2:20-24).
Women are not to teach, nor to usurp authority over men, nor argue doctrine with men. We see not one example of such in the New Testament. Such is explicitly forbidden (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 1 Corinthians 14:34, etc.).
“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” 1 Corinthians 14:34
“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” 1 Timothy 2:12
WHEN a woman attacks a man or seeks to rule over him or manipulate him, she further proves she is a Jezebel, a hell bound rebel, a lost soul.
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” 1 Timothy 2:11-12
Excuse me, the ALMIGHTY didn’t ask for your no-count opinion when He gave us HIS WORD! Time to shut up, lay down your life, deny yourself, take up the cross and truly follow Jesus before it’s too late! No moral coward whiners in Heaven! Revelation 21:8
PASTORS AND THEIR WIVES ARE OFTEN HEARD LAUGHING WHILE SAYING – You know the old demonic fable where a Jezebel wife says: “My husband may be the head but I’m the neck that turns the head!” Pure jezebellian witchcraft! God forbid that we ever laugh at such iniquity again! Those who understand, choose to agree with, and enact the order of God in creation, will see this for what it is – Jezebellian witchcraft!
DEAR godly woman-You are completely, divinely separated from this jezebel generation!
There will be no Jezebel in Heaven, not one!
JEZEBELS love little male pansies who let those witches walk over them! Not here! Repent Ahab!
GOD’s men must never allow women to lead where men are called to lead (1 Timothy 2:12; 3:2; Revelation 2:20-24).
The men at the church at Thyatira consented to a woman operating in an eldership position in the church/among His people. Untold horror resulted (Revelation 2:20-24). Jesus warns us!
There is ORDER in the true house of God – and chaos in that which falsely claims to be His house, His people!
“Let all things be done decently and in ORDER.” 1 Corinthians 14:40
“For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest SET IN ORDER the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:” Titus 1:5
Blessing is found where there is ORDER! “ORDER” appears 61 times in God’s Word. Doing things “in order” or in an orderly way simply means we do them GOD’s stated way!
JUST because a woman can run her mouth and even genuinely have a gift of the Spirit DOES NOT mean she’s an elder in the body of Christ – which is divinely reserved non-negotiably for men, male elders (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 3:2).
Suppression? No, PROTECTION (Revelation 2:20-24).
Men and women are equal in significance before God and yet He gave male and female unique roles as it pleases Him.
Also, beware of those who get upset about this heated discussion and cop-out, claiming it’s not biblical to argue about this. They are dead wrong. If God has spoken clearly on this topic or any other, that is the WORD we are to allow to dwell richly among us (Colossians 3:16).
No one reading these words is going to stand before a mere man to be judged. YET each of us WILL stand before our Maker who is the Judge of our eternal souls. What saith the Scriptures?
IF GOD specifically spoke on this matter, and He certainly did, why is there division other than that there are those here who believe God at HIS Word and those who don’t, period. Those who don’t study and believe God’s Word are “NOT of God.” Memorize John 8:47 …. The sword of truth divides between Christ’s true disciples and the counterfeits among us.
“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34
“Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.” Proverbs 13:13
Who is “OF GOD” and Who is “NOT of God”? (John 8:47)
Jesus and His apostles didn’t teach that women were lower than men. They simply taught the divinely given ROLES of men and women – in the body of Christ and in the family (1 Timothy 2:9-14; 1 Peter 3:1-7; Titus 2:1-5; Revelation 2:20-24, etc.).
To say that men and women are the same, that God had no specific, creative reason to make them complimentary to each other, is to call the Almighty a fool. Jezebel be gone.
To put yourself under the ministry of a woman who is acting as an elder among God’s people, is to defy Christ, and to agree with Christ’s arch enemy and his jezebels and to bring severe destruction on the people of God (1 Timothy 2:12; 3:2; Revelation 2:20-24).
SAINTS, beware of those who attempt to change God’s Word to fit their own false doctrines and desires (Mark 7:6-10; 2 Timothy 4:2-4). Here’s a perfect example …… Regrettably, there are females who insist they are called by God to lead men. This is complete heresy and the subversive spirit of antichrist at work. Unthinkably, these rebels seek to ignorantly and arrogantly say the LORD missed it in translation in the King James Bible. This would be laughable if it were not so pitiful.
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” 1 Timothy 2:11-12
The LORD’s stated order is the place of His protection.
To a Jezebel who is calling herself “pastor” the following message was delivered:
No such thing as a woman pastor. Repent. An elder in the body of Christ MUST be “the HUSBAND of one wife” (1 Timothy 3:2). No woman can be a “husband” and therefore all women are disqualified from being elders among God’s people.
One lady asked:
“When men are puny in leadership–then what?”
REPLY:
The supposed inaction of men and perhaps that’s due to their discernment of Jezebel in these false churches, in no way changes God or His Word.
That still never justifies the additional sin of women taking up the place of the man in leadership over the body of Christ. The LORD is clear (1 Timothy 2:11-12). Two wrongs don’t make a right.
To the rebel, it’s all about THEM and not Christ and the protection of His body. It’s all about what THEY THINK AND SAY and not about what Jesus clearly stated in His final authority – His divine Word. In Revelation 2:20-24, Jesus solemnly warned us of the destruction that comes when a Jezebel is allowed to function outside of the order God ordained for women. He specifically blames the men who were supposed to stop such!
“…to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.” Revelation 2:20-21
QUESTION ASKED:
“But can’t the Jezebel spirit take hold on man, child or woman all the same? It doesn’t just take hold on women, correct?”
REPLY:
Well those characteristics can be seen in both sexes. The Jezebel of the OT and NT were women (1 Kings, Revelation 2:20-24). Usually, it’s a woman and that’s due to the corruption of roles, where a woman is allowed by unrepentant men to lead (Revelation 2:20-24).
The Lydia Question
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“What about Lydia?! The Thessalonian church was started in her house. Paul directly wrote to her. I guess I should not speak about thing because I’m just a dumb woman whose only use is to suffer the sins of eve in childbirth.”
REPLY:
WHO said you were “a dumb woman”? Sounds like a smokescreen. WHAT does Scripture plainly state? Lydia was hospitable, amen. That doesn’t make her an elder or pastor. She merely facilitated the men of God who were the elders. You are not a dumb woman. No one insinuated such except yourself. We are peering into what GOD says is the role of a man and a woman in the family and in His church (among His people). And a woman is to be protected by the men of God around her by not allowing her to lead, which brings great destruction (Revelation 2:20-24).
Lydia was a servant of the LORD, not an elder over Christ’s body, which would be contradictory to the message of Scripture concerning the roles of men and women. Lydia is mentioned twice in the New Testament and there’s no indication of her doing anything except what’s most important and that’s serving in the way God’s ordained she do as a woman.
Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
Acts 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into the house of Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.
This is how the Jezebels out there try to misuse Scripture to manipulate and deceive the unlearned. It would take a huge amount of reading into what the text says to conclude that Lydia was an elder in Christ’s body.
Feminism is Simply Jezebel
Feminists are simply rebels, following the steps of Jezebel and are miserable, self-centered, self-serving people, without exception. They are wounded and taking their anger out on God and men instead of examining their own hearts and repenting. Jezebel is equivalent to Judas who betrayed the Son of God. Women are to be virtuous help mates/wives to their husbands and “keepers at home,” and bear children, and teach the younger WOMEN and not the men …, etc. This is the explicit command and order of our Maker whom we shall all stand before to give full account. See Titus 2:1-5 and 1 Timothy 2:9-15 and 1 Peter 3:1-7. Truly God fearing women are the only truly happy women on the earth and fulfilling what the LORD created them to do. They humbly follow His order. Judgment day is on the way.
The Galatians 3:28 Question
Jezebels attempt to use Galatians 3:28 to justify this rebellion. Let’s take a look.
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28
We are “all one” in equality and in justification and yet God created males and females with different roles. Men and women do not have the same roles. Nature reveals that. God made men and women to fulfill unique roles in the family and the church.
Any beginner student of the Bible, God’s Word, knows that Galatians 3:28 is not dealing with the roles … it’s simply speaking of justification and does nothing to negate the divinely stated purposes and duties for the unique, complimentary ROLES of men and women.
Equality in God’s justification in Christ is what Galatians 3:28 is speaking of, NOT the specific roles our Maker designated for men and women – in the FAMILY and in the CHURCH … “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28).
Galatians 3:28 is not dealing with the roles … it’s simply speaking of justification and does nothing to negate the divinely stated purposes and duties for the unique, complimentary ROLES of men and women.
YOU KNOW WHEN A WOMAN IS REBELLIOUS IN HEART AND THEREFORE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE DEVIL WHEN SHE’S LOOKING FOR REASONS AND SCRIPTURE TO “PROVE” SHE CAN BE AN ELDER IN CHRIST’S BODY.
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” 1 Timothy 2:11-12
A prequalification for eldership in Christ’s body is “HUSBAND of one wife” which no woman could possibly be (1 Timothy 3:2).
THE FALL OF MANKIND OCCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE MAN ALLOWING THE WOMAN TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN GOD. THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF GOD’S NON-NEGOTIABLE ORDER. AS WE SEE IN THE CHURCH AT THYATIRA, WHEN MEN ALLOW WOMEN TO LEAD THERE WILL BE CHAOS EVERY TIME.
BEWARE OF TODAY’S AHABS
A woman preaching to men?
No.
Women sharing, communicating God’s Word among the brethren in fellowship? Yes, but never arguing, preaching to, or taking the position of authority as an elder which is reserved exclusively for men (1 Timothy 2:12; 3:2). Observing the severe threat of Jesus when He spoke to the MEN at Thyatira tells us much about the Ahabish MEN today who are telling women to preach (Revelation 2:20-24).
MESSAGE AND REPLY from an Ahab WHO WAS ATTEMPTING TO JUSTIFY JEZEBELS. He writes:
“How about Phoebe which was a prophetess. Preacher. You are in a very destructive misleading Religion. Get away while you can. You do not need to tie gods hands and misquote scripture according to your wishes.”
MY REPLY:
You quoted not one Bible verse and the one you reference you completely lied about. God “tied” His own hands from Genesis to Revelation and you regrettably have no clue as to what He stated and therefore have no business speaking on it. The LORD says you are a fool (Proverbs 18:13).
Phebe’s name appears 2 times in the New Testament:
Rom. 16:1: I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
Rom. 16:27: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen. Written to the Romans from Corinthus, and sent by Phebe servant of the church at Cenchrea.
I’m sorry, can you show me where the Bible says Phebe was anything but a “servant”?
Before blocking this Ahab, I sent him this: Dennis, you can’t even capitalize the “G” of God’s Name. Wow.
You are the exact moral coward, pansy Jesus addresses and blames in Rev. 2:20-24. Repent sinner and when you do, Christ will give you a backbone. Hell awaits the “fearful” (cowardly) Ahabs (Rev. 21:8).
Since when is it legalistic or wrong to stand on God’s Word? I am a part of no religious group. Can you tell me why this doesn’t mean what it says? “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence” (1 Timothy 2:11-12).
Proverbs 31 Woman Audio Series [podcast]
“The Depths of Satan”
What was Jesus’ message to the church at Thyatira? Did the church at Thyatira have their house in order? Were they operating in God’s order? If not, what was the sin of those men (in particular)? Please read Revelation 2:20-24
Men and women are equivalent in salvation – neither male nor female – and yet, God designed men and women with different and unique ROLES. Women are not to lead men – the church, period. We must obey God’s order – do things HIS way and not our own. If we don’t, we will unleash hell’s Jezebellian fury on the church as we see in the church at Thyatira where “the depths of Satan” is associated with this allowance of Jezebel to function (Revelation 2:20-24).
No such thing as a woman elder in the New Testament church. Read 1 Timothy 2:11-12.
Women are seen doing much ministry in the New Testament but not leading. Did Jesus choose even one female as His twelve? No. God gave us specific instructions concerning the role of men and women. His Word is final authority.
The problem is not abusive men or controlling women – the source of our problems is rooted in our own sin and refusal to die to self, deny self, take up the cross and follow Christ as He clearly and repeatedly prescribed. When we do we will gladly follow the divine order given to us by God in His blessed Word.
EQUALITY in salvation, not ROLES (Gal. 3:28). Has anyone ever pointed you to what Jesus warned us about in Rev. 2:20-24? Do you know what the Son of God calls “the depths of Satan”? Allowing women to function outside the role God ordained her to function in is rebellion, brings great destruction, and is the very “depths of Satan” himself.
Anyone violating God’s order will be judged and this is precisely why He judged Thyatira (Revelation 2:20-24). Of Jezebel and all who allow, enable, and participate in such perversion of the roles of men and women, Jesus says He is going to “kill her children with death” (Revelation 2:20-24). Anybody want to argue with the Son of God?
The kingdom of God is not about high and mighty you or me but rather the King of kings. Repent.
NAME one feminist who smiles. Feminism=jezebellian rebellion against God!
This is NOT at all a matter of EQUALITY but rather a matter of roles … God is no fool – He didn’t make men and women for the same purposes … Have you noticed that men and women are different? Think there was a reason for this? WHY O WHY then would He have bothered to create that first beautiful lady if there were not a specific, unique purpose in His plan for her to fulfill? And what does God’s Word tell us about the woman’s purpose? Is it to rise up and be in control, to be boisterous, yelling at the enemy, wearing armor and fighting? Is she a man or the “weaker vessel” to be submitted to God and therefore His order which is Christ as the Head over the man and the man as head over the woman? (to protect her) 1 Peter 3:7
“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” 1 Corinthians 11:3
You cannot possibly know the will of God until you know the WORD of God – because the Word of God is the will of God.
QUESTION:
“The Bible forbids a woman to teach, but what if she is on social media and is a believer, who posts instructional posts? I have learned a lot from a couple of women who have done this. Does that fall under the category of women teaching men? Thanks Todd.”
REPLY:
Good morning brother….. Like yourself brother, I’ve learned so very much from Jesus through His daughters. Yes the governing truth conveyed in Scripture is divine protection. From reading 1 Timothy 2:11-12, it seems to be that a woman is not to stand up in an authority posture to rule over men in the local assembling of believers (Revelation 2:20-24). So for a woman to put out Scriptural truth is perfectly fine according to God’s order. Colossians 3:16 is of interest here…. “you” is plural – “Let the word of Christ dwell in you (plural) richly…” So, if two or more of Jesus’ people are gathered around, talking, the sisters are to share alike, never usurping authority over the men, keeping the divine order of roles, yet enjoying fellowship together (1 Timothy 2:9-15). Governing truths are important here. Brothers and sisters/Christ’s men and women were present, gathered together in fellowship, in the upper room to receive the promise of the Father, the baptism with the Holy Ghost: “These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren” (Acts 1:14). God’s order is to be observed by His people and is set forth for the protection of His people. In 1 Corinthians 14, we see beloved sisters in Christ spoken of as prophesying and praying in the assemblies. Praying and prophesying yes – but that Scripture, by divine design, did not include preaching to men in the body at large. God had all the opportunity in His divine Word and economy to include preaching right there in 1 Corinthians 14….. and didn’t because that would contradict His own Word. His order is for His protection and without it, we will see the severe damage that Jesus addresses in the church at Thyatira (Revelation 2:20-24).
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Pride and False Prophets [podcast]
“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.” Matthew 24:11
What’s the difference between true and false servants of the LORD?
Jeremiah 23 is essential concerning recognizing the “MANY false prophets” which Jesus foretold would “deceive MANY” in this late hour before His return (Matthew 24:11).
True servants of the LORD stand in the counsel, the WORD of the LORD and not in the evil imaginations, dreams, or visions of their own wicked hearts.
Jeremiah 23
“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.”
ARE YOU in God’s Word daily or have you backslidden? It’s either one or the other.
True servants of the LORD, as was the case with Paul and Timothy, will get YOU into God’s Word for yourself…
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15
“As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:” 1 Peter 2:2
So both the LORD’s apostle Paul and the apostle Peter instructed believers to get into the Word of God for themselves – to “study” and to “desire” it. Any man pretending to represent Christ and not do this very thing repeatedly is a bona fide wolf in sheep’s clothing, a devil.
Imagine parents who continued to feed their infant and never taught that baby to pick up the spoon and feed themself…. so that child would perpetually be dependent upon someone else feeding them…. in the natural this is unheard of, yet it’s rampant in that which claims to be Christ’s “church.”
Read Jeremiah 23.
“But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.” James 4:6-10
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1
Pride vs Humility
“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16:18) True humility before God first, then men, always wins – “Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.” (James 4:10)
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Salvation is Not a One-Time Experience but a Lifelong Walk [podcast]
WE’VE BEEN LIED TO!
Salvation begins at a one time born again event and is ordained of the Savior to be for a lifetime and into eternal glory with Christ and His saints.
“And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:” Revelation 2:26
Christ’s work is finished, not yours (John 19:30). According to Holy Scripture, if you’ve been truly born again, you must abide in Christ, remain in Him, endure to the end or you will be cast into the fires of eternal damnation (John 15:6; Matthew 10:22; 24:13, etc.).
“Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” Revelation 2:10
Enduring “to the end” is a condition for ultimately being in Heaven with the LORD.
“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 10:22
The LORD Jesus and His apostles never once used the words “once saved always saved” or “eternal security.” So, who’s lying? What they did teach contradicts such a notion.
Who did Jesus promise is going to be “saved”?
“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” Matthew 24:11-13
You MUST “walk in the light” of truth to the end of your life on earth to be with Jesus eternally (1 John 1:7). Only THEN will you be eternally secure!
“But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” 1 John 1:7
Since when is obedience to the truth legalism or works salvation?
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:4
Actually, if a person doesn’t have the fruit of good works in their life, it’s because either they have not yet truly been saved or due to their falling away (1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 2:20-21, etc.).
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” Titus 1:16
Who’s Going to Heaven and Who’s Not?
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21
Who’s going to be with Christ eternally according to the Son of God?
“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.” Revelation 17:14
Those who are “called, and chosen, and faithful.” God calls and chooses “ALL men to be saved” and yet it’s only those who repent, become converted and endure to the end (“faithful”) who will reign with Him eternally (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; 1 Timothy 2:4). He calls and desires all men to be saved and yet He will only save those who obey Him by repenting and putting their faith in Christ.
EVER WONDER why the OSAS adherent is often extremely vigorous about defending the unconditional eternal security sham he has bought into? What’s at stake for him? Why does he defend this teaching that has no ground in Scripture and that he has learned of men and devils?
The lame, refuses-to-take-personal-responsibility eternal securist hides behind his false facade that nothing he does including sin or doesn’t do affects or is related to his “relationship” with Christ. The word “fruit” appears 67 times in the New Testament canon. So is fruit important to the LORD? Good fruit, which includes good works doesn’t save us but it’s the clear proof that we know Him who came to do us and all mankind good by dying to bring us back to God (John 3:16).
PEOPLE who are hiding behind this satanic lie told by the serpent in the Garden become immediately irate and infuriated when the thin sham veneer of their pretention and self-preservation is pulled open by the truth. The light of truth shines into their darkened hearts. These want nothing at all to do with personal responsibility (Titus 1:16). They don’t care what the Bible teaches. They don’t want their little “eternal security” “I’m saved no matter what” myth busted because they are rebels at heart and refuse to truly surrender – which is what true repentance involves.
We need not kid ourselves, the fruit of our lives demonstrates clearly to God and man who we really are. Jesus taught “For EVERY tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.” (Luke 6:44) …. “Even a child is known by his doings (works), whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.” (Proverbs 20:11)
The Calvinist and eternal securist wants to put the whole responsibility of salvation upon God because he wants no part of personal responsibility to “Be ye holy; for I am holy.” (1 Peter 1:15-16) This is cowardly is it not? “Fearful” in Revelation 21:8 means cowardly and the lake of fire awaits all who are.
“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16
If you die in sin, HELL is where you end up in (Ezekiel 33:12-13).
What does Hebrews 12:14 guarantee us?
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” Hebrews 12:14
God sent His Son to pay the full price “for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD” and those He calls and chooses must be “faithful” or full of faith “to the end” or they will be shut out of the eternal kingdom just as the five foolish virgins were who ran out of oil due to neglecting fellowship with the Bridegroom (Jesus) (1 John 2:2; Revelation 17:14; Mathew 10:22; 24:13). See Matthew 25:1-13.
Explain why we think a bride to be can be unfaithful, commit adultery, fornicate, just before the wedding, and still be accepted as the bride at her scheduled wedding. Delusional. If such were the case, why is this not illustrated, why does it contradict Jesus’ parable of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25:1-13?
If we don’t truly repent and become “honest” with the whole counsel of God’s Word and rather live our one life on lies, namely, the myth that we are “eternally secure”, we shall find ourselves in the domain of the damned, from which we shall never escape (Luke 8:11-15).
Anyone Going to Argue with Jesus?
Jesus taught us that one who is in Him (saved) must abide or remain in Him or that person will be “cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned (hell).”
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned (hell).” John 15:1-6
Yes, salvation begins in the life of the sinner who has been drawn in and found by Christ and chooses to repent and put His faith in Jesus (John 1:12; 6:47; Acts 16:31; 20:21; Romans 3-5; Ephesians 2:8-9, etc.). Initial salvation is instant and yet that’s not the end of it … according to the record of the New Testament Scriptures. Christ and His holy apostles never spoke in terms of salvation being a one-time done deal.
Paul makes it clear that saving grace does NOT abound toward, in the life of any person who has been saved and yet is now living outside of Christ’s stated will, His Word.
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” Romans 6:1-2
It’s time to get into the Word friends and cease to walk in delusions.
What is the agent that will cleanse the Great Tribulation saints? (Revelation 7:14) – “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
The washing we are to receive of God by the cleansing blood of Jesus is not a one-time event but rather a lifelong walk/experience. Such is our walk with Christ – it’s an abiding relationship and to abide means to remain (John 15:1-6). And if we don’t remain in Him – we shall be “cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” (John 15:6) (more on this verse in a moment)
“But IF IF IF IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” 1 John 1:7
There are conditions for continuing to remain, to abide in Christ’s saving grace. Only counterfeits refuse to acknowledge this. They want no part with personal repentance, laying down their lives in this fleeting world, and truly following Jesus. No, they want the crown but not the cross. They don’t love Jesus enough to truly serve Him and so they buy into diabolical systems like the heretical “eternal security” or calvinistic systems.
The vast majority of pastors and writers today are in gross darkness and treat salvation as a one-time event instead of an abiding, a remaining walk with Christ “to the end” of our lives (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; John 15:1-6; Col. 1:23; Heb. 3:6, 12-15; 10:26-39, etc.). Many have espoused these lies because they have not chosen to get diligently and deeply into God’s Word for themselves but have rather followed other men’s selective line through Scripture. Those who aren’t diligently studying God’s Word daily are “not valiant for the truth” and will therefore be turned over to delusion and ultimately damned (Jer. 9:3; 2 Thess. 2:10-12).
“And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies (they go to the furthest lengths to embrace lies): but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.” Jeremiah 9:3
Those who do not love divine truth (the Holy Scriptures) manifest plainly that they do not love He who is “the truth.” (John 14:6) God takes that personally and will actually help or assist in their delusions and damnation.
“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
God is able and will keep all who trust Him to the end and do not deny Him:
“Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.” Jude 24-25
Will Every One Jesus Saved be in Heaven? | Is Salvation Eternal? | Is Doubting Your Salvation a Bad Thing? |
FEEDBACK:
——- FROM Shannon Cook: “To the “once saved always saved theorists”
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not “blot out” his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
For something to be “blotted out” (i.e. removed) it would had to have been there in order to be “blotted out” which totally contradicts the theory of “once saved always saved.”
So, who is saved?
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Consider the warning to the church of Ephesus:
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast “left thy first love.”
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and REPENT, and do they first works;[or else] I will come into thee quickly, and remove thy candlestick out of his place, expect thou repent.
Laodicean Warning:
“And unto the angel of the church of Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, [the faithful and true witness], the beginning of the creation of God. 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot,I would thou wert hot or cold. 16 [So then] BECAUSE thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,I will spue thee out of my mouth.” Revelation 3:14-16 pass it on – Heaven Guaranteed to all who have Received Jesus?
Amen, never to depart from the Christ, he shall walk with us as we endure till the end!
“I will never leave thee nor forsake thee.” Hebrews 13:5 Not never will you leave me nor forsake me. We’re sheep, we have natural, fleshly tendency to wander. Ever reminding us how crucial it is to continuously follow the Christ.
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye [endure] chastening, (there’s that word endure again) God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he that the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof ALL are partakers, then ye are bastards,(illegitimate) and not sons. Hebrews 12:6-8
The elect of Christ have and will experience chastening, and no matter the discomfort in and through it, we always rejoice and know there’s purpose (to the glory of our Christ) as we “endure.”
– check this out – Will Everyone Jesus has Saved be in Heaven?
Reply Received:
“Where do I begin. Every person born of God, WILL be faithful. Even if they are faithless, He remains faithful because He can NOT deny Himself. We are HIDDEN in Christ, and seated with Him right now in the heavenlies. We have passed from death to LIFE. This is an event that is unchangeable. God causes it to occur and doesn’t change His mind. He adopts us. Permanently.
Context is everything. It is king. It determines what a passage actually means. Did you know Todd, that God has saved you forever? It’s great to be free and assured of that. Are you afraid He might not keep you to the end? It’s His desire and intent to do that, bro.
Reply Back:
We only have security in Christ AS we are abiding – remaining – in an intimate relationship with Him.
According to Jesus in John 15, “If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire (hell), and they are burned.” (Jn. 15:6)
In order to receive final salvation, one must abide or remain in Christ (Jn. 15:5-6). There is no guarantee that God’s seed will “remain” in the person who is born again and later departs from the LORD.
What you are doing is simply spouting off what you have been taught of mere sinful men…. speaking of context, let’s look at the context of what you partially quoted, conveniently and selectively excluding the whole context:
2 Timothy 2:11-13
“It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.” 2 Timothy 2:11-13
The person seeking to convince others of “once saved always saved” will misquote this text by saying that because “he (God) abideth faithful” He would never “deny us.” This is a distortion. Let’s read the verse again okay? The passage states that “if we deny him, he also will deny US.” The Word here tells us that “if we deny him, he also will deny US.” Does it get any clearer than this? Being honest with what the Bible says is essential to a clear conscience and to possessing the mind of Christ and true doctrine. Again, those who seek to make palatable the unconditional security teaching can be heard misquoting this text saying “He cannot deny us.” Is that what verse 13 says? No. It says “He cannot deny HIMSELF.” This passage tells us that He “will deny us” if we “deny him” and that “He cannot deny Himself,” not us. In this Bible passage we see that the LORD “abideth faithful”to Himself and to those who do not deny Him. Didn’t Jesus tell us to “deny” ourselves and that if we were “ashamed” of Him or His words He would be “ashamed” of us? See Luke 9:23-24 and Mark 8:34-38.
Below is a classic perversion of this very passage of Scripture. I read this on the internet. The persuasion intended by the person who wrote this is to convince people of something the Bible simply never puts forth.
“If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.” 2 Timothy 2:13 – God wants you to know for sure that you cannot lose it (salvation) under any circumstance whatsoever, even in the worse scenario. The first part of the verse above says that we can come to a state of mind that we do not believe in God anymore. But, the second says that He will remain faithful if that happens…God cannot deny what He said, because God cannot lie! (Hebrews 6:18 KJV AV1611) He promised to keep us eternally secure and He will remain faithful in that promise even if we ‘believe not.’ Another possible way of looking at ‘he cannot deny himself’ is that we are one in Him. If He was not faithful in His promise, He would be denying himself of eternal security, that is, He would be casting part of himself in eternal damnation in the lake of fire.” J. A.
First off, if in fact as J.A. supposes, “God wants you to know for sure that you cannot lose it (salvation) under any circumstance whatsoever, even in the worse scenario,” then why did God Himself warn His very own people throughout His Word concerning the danger of:
• “Departing from the living God” (Heb. 3:12-15)
• Losing the reward of Heaven for turning back into sin after being saved (Ezek. 33:12-13; 2 Pet. 2:20-21)
• “Falling away” (Lk. 8:13; 2 Thes. 2:3)
• “Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith” (1 Tim. 5:12)
• Being “cut off” (Rom. 11:19-23)
• Being forsaken of Him (2 Chron. 15:2; Ezra 8:22; 2 Tim. 2:12)
• Being blotted out of the book of life (Exod. 32:33; Ps. 69:32; Rev. 3:5; 22:18-19)
The fact that God remains faithful in no way predicts or determines whether individuals will partake of His plan of salvation. His faithfulness in no way forces men to remain faithful (abide), nor does it disable the Almighty from rendering a due reward of eternal judgment upon those who do not meet His requirements/conditions. This is a truth completely ignored by those who embrace the unscriptural notion of an unconditional eternal security.
“For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar …” Romans 3:3-4
All sin will be accounted for – one way or the other, and this is the reason for the Judgment Thrones to come (Exod. 34:7; Rom. 14:12-14; Rev. 20:11-15). This should shine yet a brighter light upon the glorious Gospel salvation Jesus Christ wrought for His people and how we can “come boldly” with our sins to His holy throne of grace to receive grace and mercy in time of need (Heb. 4:14-16).
It seems to me, after listening to hundreds of those who believe in an unconditional eternal security, that some people believe that their theology is going to change the unchanging, immutable God (Rom. 3:3-4; James 1:17). The twisting of Scripture, instead of “rightly dividing the word of truth” is done to one’s “own destruction.” (2 Cor. 2:17; 2 Tim. 2:15; 2 Pet. 3:16-17) The disciple of Jesus Christ must be intent upon studying to show himself “approved unto God,” not men, and therefore be able to “rightly” divide “the word of truth.” (2 Tim. 2:15) The person who does not diligently study and know God’s Word, stands to be deluded by the many false teachings circulated in the church world.
What happens if a saved person does not obey and remain faithful to God? Those who do not choose to persevere in saving faith:
• Possess “an evil heart of unbelief” (Heb. 3:12)
• Depart from the living God (Heb. 3:12)
• Cannot and do not please God (Heb. 11)
• Depart from the faith through “doctrines of devils” (1 Tim. 4:1-6)
• “Turn away their ears from the truth” and are “turned unto fables” (2 Tim. 4:4)
• Cannot enter into His rest or presence (Heb. 3:19; 4:6, 11)
• Are “broken off” from the LORD (Rom. 11:20)
• The “unbelieving…shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone …” (Rev. 21:8, 27)
The Bible never guarantees that all Christ saves will automatically “endure to the end” which Jesus says is essential to ultimately being saved into Heaven when speaking to His very own people (Matt. 10:22; 24:13). Christ Himself invented the term “fall away” when speaking of those who would “believe” and be saved and not continue with Him (Lk. 8:13).
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IS AMERICA DOOMED? To Stay or to Go [podcast]
YOUR PRAYER: Father in Heaven, in the name of Jesus, please prepare me, use me. Make me a consummate soul winner. In Jesus’ name.
Great Commission Evangelism
“This message (podcast) sure nailed the state of America. Rotten to the very foundation. God’s judgment and fury is falling! His very name is being mocked! As so-called Christians participate in and celebrate what He calls an abomination (Leviticus 18:22), and teaching this to children! Where are the parents? Why are they not standing up for their kids? Why are they not pulling them out of these indoctrinated government run schools? Because the men are weak (Ahabs) and the women are Jezebels and busy working. So the children are left on their own. It starts at such an early age they do not know it is happening. No biblical foundation is why kids are murdering kids! No sense of right or wrong anymore. We are a cursed nation because we have deviated from the standards of God in rebellion and disobedience! God will not bless anything that is abomination to Him.” Karen Cochran
Does the unchanging LORD still allow persecution and for His people to be “scattered abroad”?
“And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
Philip Proclaims Christ in Samaria
4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
8 And there was great joy in that city.” Acts 8:1-8
Persecution had hit Jerusalem and Christ’s saints were prepared and “scattered abroad” to go and preach Christ’s Gospel to the world.
Concerning people being “scattered abroad,” one source notes:
“Scattered abroad is a common biblical phrase primarily known from the King James Version (KJB) of the Bible. It describes the physical dispersion, spreading, or migration of a group of people. The concept holds both historical and theological significance, typically representing:
- Divine Judgment and Dispersion (Old Testament): In Genesis 11, God scatters humanity across the face of the earth and confuses their languages after their rebellion at the Tower of Babel. It also refers to the exile and historical dispersion (the diaspora) of the Israelites for rejecting God’s covenant.
- The Spread of the Gospel (New Testament): In the early Christian church, intense persecution in Jerusalem caused believers to scatter throughout various regions. Instead of destroying the movement, this dispersion inadvertently spread their message. For example, Acts 8:4 states: “Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.”
- Encouragement to Believers: In the New Testament, the opening of the Epistle of James (James 1:1) is famously addressed to the “twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,” offering pastoral comfort to Jewish Christians facing trials in foreign lands.”
Any nation that is even discussing whether or not there are more than 2 genders is doomed.
Does God desire to scatter abroad, to spread His people across the world?
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.” Mark 16:15-20
The LORD would never bless a nation that glorifies what He condemns. ANYONE who thinks America is or will ever be blessed without repentance…. is extremely gullible and deceived. Sodom! Ezekiel 16:49-51
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” Leviticus 18:22
A good thing to ask proud Americans who claim they are Christians:
1. “When’s the last time you personally led someone to Jesus?”
2. “How much time and how much energy do you spend trying in vain to “save America” or “Make America Great Again” compared to the time and energy you spend learning, studying, and meditating on God’s Word and doing it—as in the Great Commission?”
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21
Anyone claiming to be Christ’s and yet is not doing, is not obeying His Great Commission mandate, is not in the will of God.
PRAYER: Father in the name of Jesus, may Your people cry out to You today for the lost souls of fallen men for whom You sent Your only begotten Son to die (John 3:16-17). May we be blessed to cry out for that which most concerns You! In Jesus’ name.
As God looks down from Heaven…. here’s what He sees, here’s what breaks His holy heart ….
“Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?” Proverbs 15:11
SOUND LIKE THE MODERN CHURCH IN AMERICA?
“And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.” Mark 11:17
“11:17 Combining quotations from Isaiah and Jeremiah, He condemned desecration, exclusivism, and commercialism. God had intended the temple to be a house of prayer for all nations (Isa_56:7), not just for Israel. They had made it a religious market, a hang-out for shysters and racketeers (Jer_7:11).” Believer’s Bible Commentary
Recently lunatics went half crazy because some man threw a rock or stone at a monk seal. Yet no one is fighting for the right for precious innocent babies to live, to not be MURDERED in their own mother’s womb. America is under divine judgment and it’s not going to stop. It’s just getting started.
“Thou shalt not kill.” Exodus 20:13
“Fact: What the world celebrates, God hates!!
Fact: America as a nation will not be saved by God; only individual souls and families can be saved with the short time we have left.
Fact: The reason society has been overrun by the rainbow mafia in corporate America, in schools, and yes: even in ‘churches’, is because this God-mocking, God-hating nation has been given over to the filth they love above the holy God who gave us life.
Have a blessed day…” A disciple.
PRAYER: Father in the name of Jesus, may Your people cry out to You today for the lost souls of fallen men for whom You sent Your only begotten Son to die (John 3:16-17). May we be blessed to cry out for that which most concerns You! In Jesus’ name.
As God looks down from Heaven…. here’s what He sees, here’s what breaks His holy heart ….
“Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?” Proverbs 15:11
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