
Fake Jesus, Fake Pastors, Fake Christians, Fake Bibles, Fake Churches Exposed! [podcast]
TODAY’s apostate preachers created a counterfeit generation of false converts, entitled, self-serving counterfeits. There is no fruit proving they are truly born again. Their “christianity” consists of “church” attendance at a cross-less fake church that uses a fake “bible”, preaches a fake “Jesus”, and has a fake “pastor.” Beware. This was specifically foretold (2 Timothy 3:1-13; 4:1-5).
The true disciple of Jesus will listen only to men who fear God and not you/them (2 Samuel 23:3; Matthew 10:28; Galatians 1:10) – and therefore they forcefully declare the whole of His truth straight up into your face! Repent or perish, sinner!
“Love this podcast! Thank you. We go to the home (retirement) to minister every week except one. Another church does it. We got mixed up on our weeks and the other people showed up. So we stayed and it was unbelievable what we witnessed! No Bible! They had a folder! Everything was in this folder. All prayers, the message, all of it! They couldn’t find the folder and were panicked. Of course because they had nothing without it! All was completely scripted! They did not even talk to the residents! No love of Jesus! They were like robots! No Holy Spirit and no Jesus! All mechanical!! Dead religion. After they left the residents didn’t move. Because they were waiting to be fed. So we stayed and gave them some good nourishment from the Lord! Shocking!” Karen Cochran
Wise and true disciples of Jesus are not leaving the fake churches because they are departing from the faith but rather because they are preserving their faith, their eternal souls and departing from the fake “bibles,” the fake “pastors,” the fake “Jesus,” and the fake “gospel” (Galatians 1:6-9; 1 Timothy 4:1-2).
Modern “church” gatherings do not resemble what we see in Scripture and anyone who thinks so, is biblically illiterate…. needs to get into the Word for themselves. Speaking of which, 99% of modern churches use fake “bibles”…. laughable. They have fake pastors, fake “bibles,” a fake “Jesus,” and fake churches.
“Folks, I’m not trying to make enemies, but I will speak truth: every Sunday I see comments and posts and memes on here; some of you blasting people who don’t attend a church building. Newsflash: I am a member of the church, Christ’s body, no matter where I am. The biblical command for assembly is where two or three are gathered in Jesus’ name. Frankly, that is all that’s required for biblical assembly. Do you want to go to church? That’s fine; but nowhere in the Bible are we commanded or expected to gather in a building with unconverted people and call it ‘church.’ I love you all, but some of you need to come out of those buildings and get back in the word of God! In love and truth; as a brother should.” Michael Neff
Doctrines Missing from the Modern Church
If they use a fake “bible” this proves they are a fake fellowship.
Tell us all why you justify the removal of the BLOOD of Jesus in Colossians 1:14 in your fake “bible”? Please explain why you believe it’s ok that Romans 8:1 is chopped in half in the “bible” you read? How about answering why it’s ok in your mind that the words of Jesus in Matthew 17:21 were chopped out, completely removed. What does Revelation 22:18-19 severely warn us about?
ANYONE can rent or build a building and put chairs and a pulpit in it. THAT doesn’t make him a true elder in Christ’s kingdom.
There are 2 key truths concerning authentic elders, of which there are very few today amidst the many who claim to be.
1. They speak the pure Word of God (Hebrews 13:7).
2. They watch for the souls of the saints (Hebrews 13:17).
The visible church is not a physical building nor necessarily those who enter one, once a week. “YE are God’s building” (1 Corinthians 3:9).
“Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.” 1 Peter 2:5
The Greek word for “church” is ekklesia which means the people, the called out ones.
If those church building gatherings were operating by the Word of God, why is 95% of the professing church in the horrible place of apostasy we see? WHAT is the fruit of the modern church building gatherings other than no repentance, no holiness, no blood, no cross, no crucified life, no evangelism, etc?
The Professing Modern Church Exposed
The visible “church” doesn’t represent the real church, the people. Building Christ’s kingdom in the hearts of men. This is exactly what Jesus meant when He declared “I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18). He certainly didn’t mean corral people to entertain them with fake “bibles”, fake “pastors” who preach another, a fake “Jesus.”
“Upon this rock (the revelation that Jesus is the Messiah) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18
The modern “church” world is overflowing with greed-driven covetous men who are building their own church busine$$ and have no intention to repent (2 Peter 2:1-3). In their lame seminary they learned and are using a cookie cutter business model as they run a scam on the self-serving gullible pawns who support them. Those who have truly repented are about the “Father’s business” as was Christ and not about building their own church business. God warned us and He also declared that anyone who helps these wolves build anything but HIS kingdom will perish, will go to hell with them.
See 2 Peter 2:1-3 and 2 John 10-11.
You feel all good about yourself because you attend a “church” meeting weekly and yet there is no cross in your life or daily seeking the face of the LORD in His Word, prayer, or evangelizing the lost. Counterfeit.
How many church going “Christians” do you know who are living the crucified life Jesus says is essential for knowing and following Him? See Luke 9:23-24; 14:27. Let me guess, that like me you know zero “church” building attending mere professors who are living the crucified life, ministering to others daily, living a life of prayer, etc., right?
“And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:” Revelation 2:26
Dead. Buried. Raised Up Daily!
So you are all hyped about your “church” and yet not in the Word daily, living a life of prayer, and evangelizing the lost? We just defined an unrepentant, fruit-less counterfeit.
“These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots.” Jude 12
WHAT will you say to the nail scarred risen LORD on Judgment Day when you made it about something else other than Him?
The cross. Studying God’s Word for yourself. Living a life of prayer. Obeying Christ’s Great Commission command, etc. – Your fake “pastor” hasn’t mentioned or made these biblical things known to you because he’s too busy using you to build his own enterprise. And because you are not a true and honest student of Christ, of His Word, you are easily deceived.
WE are nothing, we don’t exist, we have nothing without JESUS! See John 15:5; Colossians 1.
Pinnacle Revelation
Knowing God is the paramount divine purpose for which He sent His only begotten Son ….. and for which He created, made us.
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
Knowing God is the reason He sent His only begotten Son—to bring us to Himself in a present and eternal relationship (Exodus 25:8; Psalms 27:4, 8; Philippians 3:10, etc.). One of Satan’s tricks is to get the elders to intercept that heart affection worship.
“And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.” Exodus 25:8
“It has always been about Jesus. Before Christ came to save us from our sins, the Bible was pointing to Jesus. Now after Christ came, we still look to Jesus. It has always been about knowing and trusting in Jesus. Before He came people just did not know His name, but now we do!” Serena Wagner
It’s not about elders, bishops. or pastors. Christ’s eternal kingdom is all about Jesus and no other. Read John 1; Colossians 1-2; Hebrews 1; Revelation 1.
The only way to “know him” is to be “made conformable unto his death.”
“That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;” Philippians 3:10
In knowing and loving God, should we not desires to keep everything out of our lives which would interfere with that relationship?
“The early Christians were intensely Christ centered. Jesus Christ was their pulse beat. He was their life, their breath, and their central point of reference. He was the object of their worship, and the subject of their songs, and the content of their discussions and vocabulary. The New Testament church made the Lord Jesus Christ central and supreme in all things.” Pagan Christianity
The Cross
IF you are not hearing the cross, the crucified life and knowing Jesus and the Father, you are sitting under “another gospel” (John 17:3; Galatians 1:6-9; 2:20; 6:14; Philippians 3:10; Colossians 1-2).
Today’s wolves coercively indoctrinate their prey into believing they must belong to that certain “church” instead of fostering a love for God, for Jesus in them. They are not upholding, exalting and glorifying JESUS (Colossians 1-2)!
Has not the modern church been turned into anything but knowing, seeking, loving, worshipping, and obeying Jesus? This is the spirit of antichrist which has replaced the worship of the nail-scarred risen Savior. He is not upheld, they are not holding Him up, upholding Jesus Christ. See Colossians 2:18-19.
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
“These early believers loved Jesus with their whole hearts. He was the central focus of their lives! Unlike the churches today who are centered on self, and Jesus is no where to be found. He stands at the door and knocks but they won’t let Him in.” Karen Cochran
Dancing on the Defeated Devil’s Grave! Get some! Now!
BARELY GETTING ALONG OR FLOURISHING, THRIVING IN THE RESURRECTION POWER OF JESUS CHRIST? (Romans 8:11-14; 2 Corinthians 4:10-12)
Who’s ready for a satanic slap down? (Acts 10:38; 1 John 3:8)
The cross of Christ and the one He commanded us to take up daily is our weapon against Satan and his unholy minions! Jesus defeated Satan by dying and so shall we die to self as we follow our LORD Jesus (Colossians 2:14-19; Hebrews 2:14).
The cross gets us out of the way so that the relationship for which God created us can flourish (John 17:3; Philippians 3:10).
Wow, the heart of the Gospel is coming to light, God is bringing it to the light…. knowing Him via the crucified life (Philippians 3:10)!
“That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;” Philippians 3:10
“Knowing God and the cross: That nails it! As I read how these early believers loved Jesus and He was their whole life, I started to see how my life has changed since embracing the cross. The things I used to enjoy, fleshly, worldly, I no longer enjoy! I want my whole life to be about Jesus! Just as the early believers. If Jesus isn’t involved I don’t want to be involved! It is no longer what I want but what my Lord wants! God has changed my heart. I desire what he desires. Psalm 37:4. Through the cross, the crucified life our hearts are increasingly circumcised as God changes our desires to desire what He desires. Hallelujah! It’s no longer about you, but Jesus!” Karen Cochran
“One man fully surrendered to God is more valuable than 10,000 men who attend church.” unknown
“Disciples are not raised up in Bible schools or in buildings wearing their Sunday best. They are made in the furnace with much affliction and persecution. But we count it all as joy!” unknown
“How true this is! Sad! It is called “churchianity” and has ABSOLUTELY N.O.T.H.I.N.G to do with Jesus Christ or following Him or the Kingdom of God! NOTHING! It is a RELIGIOUS SCAM.” Clare R. Watts
“Many years ago we were part of a church that preached this. The idea was to bring them in! Then do not preach anything that might make them uncomfortable or offend. Especially do not preach sin, salvation, or repentance. They wanted the church to be nonthreatening. Do not do or say anything to scare them away. I guess they get saved by osmosis. Jesus offended. John 6:60, many of His disciples told Him ‘these are hard sayings, who can hear it.’ In v 61 Jesus responded “Doth this offend you?” And it did because v 66 says many walked away. That was their choice. Jesus didn’t soften the gospel because it offended people.” Karen Cochran
It’s not only WHAT a man is teaching, more insidiously, it’s what he’s NOT teaching. And if you don’t know God’s Word yourself, you’ll never know what’s being left out of today’s false gospel.
Yet we have so many claiming their pastor is the best, their church is amazing, etc. Yet, do these same people know the Word (2 Timothy 2:15; 3:15-17, etc.)? Are they in God’s Word daily? Are they denying self, taking up the cross, and following Jesus daily (Luke 9:23-24)?
As many of you will relate, I can’t tell you how many people have sworn how great their “church” and pastors are. Only needed to listen to 20 minutes of one of their pastor’s sermonettes which included so very little Scripture and in addition to that, they are using fake “bibles.”
Recently a head “pastor” / “elder” took exception from our different views of what constitutes true fellowship, assembling as Christ’s saints (Acts 2:42; Colossians 3:16; Hebrews 10:25). This same seminarian graduate “pastor” didn’t know God’s Word very well and so we can assume neither did his audience. They held bingo meetings at that “church.”
Most have no idea that they are being played by a priesthood of Vatican indoctrinated seminarians, false prophets. And most of those professional seminarian “pastors” have no idea how much they’ve been deceived. Many or most of them have never been born again. Upon attending Bible college myself, it became more than evident that most of the students, future hireling “pastors” were not even saved—and didn’t want to be.
When the Jesuit devils infiltrated the seminaries, the first thing they did was replace the King James Bible with Vatican corrupted and controlled “bibles.” They all come from the corrupt lineage of manuscripts.
In preparation for the one world religion, this Vatican infiltration began in the 1950’s (Revelation 17-18). Billy Graham the traitor greatly participated and because so many upheld that antichrist masonic devil as a type of protestant pope, they were ensnared.
ARE WE hearing Bible truth like this? If not, what does that reveal about those we’ve chosen to sit under?
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14
“I have had many argue with me over this verse. They will say I can’t be holy, I sin everyday and am only human. So I guess they accept that as fact and are content to stay living in their sin. Holiness is a requirement to be able to enter God’s presence. There will be consequences for continuing in a life of sin. ‘For the wages of sin is death’ (Romans 6:23).” Karen Cochran
What about 2 Corinthians 7:1? Look it up if you don’t yet have it memorized.
What about the myriad of Bible verses, passages on the cross, the crucified life? Ever hear them from your favorite “pastor”? If not you are willingly deceived and he’s an enemy of the cross of Christ – “Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things” (Philippians 3:18-19). Personal holiness is essential and the Gospel imperative of the cross makes this possible.
We cannot get to God’s end till we obey His means to that end. Death and burial preceded His resurrection blessing!
Those who wish to continue in their sins that separate them from God who is Holy, evade/ run from the sound doctrine of Holy Scripture which centers upon the cross of Christ and the one He mandated that we take up daily (Luke 9:9:23-24).
“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:22-23
Speaking of the apostate modern church world and the lies being told to the people….
“Easy believism. Just let me say a quick prayer (no repentance) so I can go to heaven. Then let me go and live my best life now! No requirements. No conditions. Don’t ask me to give up anything for Christ. I will mention His name once in awhile and even pray when I may need something but I don’t want a relationship. I am busy with my life. I will continue to come to church and tithe but any mention of hell, dying to self, repentance, holiness, sin, and judgment I will leave and not come back. I can find another church with a Pastor that will tickle my ears. The mind of a modern, lukewarm, living my best life now, Christian!” Karen Cochran
Church membership, false teachings, and religious organizations are a trap. These are Satan’s agents to keep you from the King and eternity with Him. The harshest rebukes issued forth from Christ upon the false priesthood of frauds of His day and nothing has changed (Ecclesiastes 1:9; Matthew 23, etc.). He didn’t flip the tables of the heathen but rather of the money changers in the temple upon those who had replaced the worship of Him to make those gatherings a den of thieving wolves (Matthew 21; John 2). Jesus and His apostles constantly warned us of this… Matthew 7:15; 24:11; 2 Peter 3:17; Colossians 2:6-10; Revelation 3:11, etc.
The biblical revelation, the truth concerning what the humble assembling of Christ’s saints is to look like seems to produce in us a pleasant soberness, right?… Acts 2:42; Colossians 3:17, etc.
As Peter specifically pointed out, the rah-rah sessions we call “worship services” are constructed to make merchandise of the people, to make them feel obligated to pay into it, to fund the circus, to keep them spinning (2 Peter 2:1-3). Jesus is flipping the tables on those who have made His house (the occasion for His body to meet and love on Him and each other) into a den of thieves (Matthew 21 and John 2).
“Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.” Ezekiel 3:21
Is the blood off your hands? Are you warning those around you?
This doesn’t require screaming at anyone but rather communicating to them what lies ahead for every eternal soul (Proverbs 15:11; Mark 16:16, etc.).
“Therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.” Ezekiel 33:7
One will never see until he seeks.
“Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.” 1 Chronicles 16:11
Any and every person who has not repented and chosen to have a heart after God, is not going to be with Him in eternity (1 Samuel 16:7; Psalms 57:7; 63:8; Matthew 5:6; 15:8; Acts 13:22, etc.).
“If modern Christians refuse to serve the Lord now on this earth, why would they want to serve Him in heaven? As many hearts are far from Him. (Matthew 15:8). Would God want anyone in His kingdom who does not love Him with all their heart, soul and mind (Matthew 22:37)? Those who love Him supremely want to obey and serve Him with all their hearts. His true disciples will be His servants in the New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:3). ‘And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him.” All others who don’t love Him and are busy serving self will be vanquished into the eternal flames.” Karen Cochran
“We would see Jesus.” John 12:21
Anyone who is in darkness, does not see, is blind … is blind due to their HEART not being turned to the LORD, truly. They have not truly repented afresh and are not seeking the fake of the LORD. They are out of communion, out of fellowship with God. There’s no way to walk with the light of the world on HIS stated terms an not be walking in the light of His truth (Psalms 119:130; John 8:12).
“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless WHEN it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.” 2 Corinthians 3:14-18
The only reason we, each of us has been deceived in the past is due to our own biblical ignorance (Proverbs 24:5; Hosea 4:6; 2 Timothy 2:15). Lacking the knowledge of the Word, we didn’t see what they were LEAVING OUT. We didn’t know to discern what they were teaching and what they were NOT teaching. Now, as we grow in the knowledge of the LORD through diligent daily study of His Word, we know to look for the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith. For example, WHERE O WHERE is the cross, the crucified life being taught in the apostate modern church? Virtually nowhere! AND, there is no overcoming of sin (which separates us from God) without the cross life, without being crucified with Christ daily (Luke 9:23-24; Romans 6, etc.).
ANY man pretending to be representing Christ and not preaching the cross Christ preached, mandated, is a wolf. 100%. Run.
“Some people aren’t worshipping the Jesus of the Bible, but rather, a Jesus they’ve created in their own minds with their own opinions and preferences. That’s called idolatry.” Shane Pruitt
Counterfeits don’t care about the murdered or continual murder of innocent precious babies …… they just want to go back to their Laodicean lifestyle.
IF your giving is to something that is not biblically true to Jesus’ Great Commission, you are funding a fraud, you are bidding God speed to hell bound wolves in sheep’s clothing and will be judged with them.
“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 10-11
TODAY: A close friend of mine who is a brother in Christ sent me this. He has orphanages in Uganda. He called today to tell me about the fake “church” he goes to in the Dallas area that is currently raising and collecting $16 MILLION dollars to build a pickle ball and basket ball court. They fully know of his orphanages in Uganda. Anyone wish to guess how much money they gave him to help support the Gospel work he’s doing? Take a guess in the comments if you wish….
***ANYONE GIVING TO SUCH A FRAUD “CHURCH” PROVES TO BE A LOST SOUL. REPENT NOW.
Let me get this straight ….
The wolf you call “pastor” is collecting money to build a new building, to build a basketball court, to increase his real estate portfolio, etc. ….. and you still don’t see he’s a fraud?
WHERE did Jesus or His holy apostles collect one penny to build any building to further Christ’s kingdom? Chapters and verses please.
AND WE WONDER WHY AMERICA IS OVER? This is the same list of sins Sodom was cited for just before total destruction (Ezekiel 16:49-51). – “neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy” (Ezekiel 16:49).
The root sins that led to the complete destruction of Sodom and Gom0rrah.
The Forgotten Sins of Sodom [podcast]
It’s time to cease building the church busine$$es of evil men and begin building Christ’s kingdom in the hearts of men.
This is exactly what Jesus meant when He declared “I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18).
“Upon this rock (the revelation that Jesus is the Messiah) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18
If a pretend elder is not equipping people for “the work of the ministry,” launching them, etc., such a man is a fraud 100%.
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:” Ephesians 4:11-12
God didn’t send His only begotten Son to come die for His people to they could be church members of a wolf. There’s no such thing as church membership in the early church. No one raised a penny to build an official “church” building. No they WERE the church and lived like it. The money was spent to build Christ’s kingdom, to take care of those called out full-time as Christ’s Gospel laborers, and the CHRISTIANS who were poor/needed help at the time.
“False preachers and teachers always preach to your emotions and pride: making you feel good about yourself. The gospel of Jesus Christ, which stresses repentance and dying to self will absolutely not appeal to our emotions! I felt about 2 inches tall when I heard the truth about myself. It was the worst “feelings” that lead to the best decision I’ve ever made or will make.” Michael Neff
YOUR PRAYER: Holy Father, I come to You as an absolute fraud, a vile and depraved sinful man. Bust up the depth of my cold hardened heart—at the innermost core of this being. Please strip all the evil. Break me. Cleanse me. Do Your deep work in this life dear LORD. In Jesus’ name. Amen.
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What Eternal Security Wolves Refuse to Teach [podcast]

THE 5 SINS THAT KEPT ISRAEL (God’s own covenant people) OUT OF THEIR PROMISED LAND OF BLESSINGS and will keep us out if not relinquished. Friend, please read 1 Corinthians 10:1-13 with all your might. Make this text your meat.
The world seeks to romance sin but if God says it’s sin, that’s what it is. Toning down the terms changes nothing. Judgment Day is on the way.
We are fighting the good fight of faith, “striving against sin” and “more than conquerors” over sin through Jesus who loves us and bought us with His own blood! (1 Timothy 6:12; Hebrews 12:4; 13:12; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:37)
There are the 5 sins listed here that kept God’s people out of His blessings. We all need to L.I.F.T.M. up to the LORD in repentance and for His perfect forgiveness and cleansing. God the Holy Spirit warns us here through Paul’s pen (1 Cor. 10:1-13), that Israel and these sins are “examples” (vv. 6, 11) to all NT believers. God destroys those who go back on Him after knowing Him (transgressors – Ps. 68:21; 73:28; 125:5, etc.). If not ridden out of our lives, any one of these 5 sins WILL keep us out of our promised land. God is holy (Heb. 12:14). As taken in order from 1 Cor. 10:6-10, here are those 5 sins:
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Lust
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Idolatry
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Fornication
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Tempting Christ
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Murmuring
This simple acronym should help us to remember these sins and remain separate from them as we grow today to know and love our Savior more fervently. “Keep thyself pure” (1 Timothy 5:22).
Committing the sin is one thing (1 John 1:8-10, right) and refusing to repent of it is yet another. Refusing to acknowledge, repent, confess, and cease is what snares the soul and ousts us from Christ (Proverbs 28:13).
“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.” Proverbs 28:13
If the Holy Spirit has quickened any offences of your heart, simply L.I.F.T.M. up to Christ the Redeemer, Forgiver, Cleanser, and Transformer of lives.
Fornication Defiles
“It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have (Gr. possessed and wouldn’t repent) his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5:1-2
1 Corinthians 10 completely destroys the OSAS / eternal security argument.
Notice the word “OUR” in verses 6 and 11. This is directly spoken to warn NEW Testament saints that they are going to hell if they live and die in sin.
Case closed.
1 Corinthians 10:1-12
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were OUR examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also LUSTED.
7 Neither be ye IDOLATERS, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit FORNICATION, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us TEMPT CHRIST, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither MURMUR ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for OUR admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
The cross. Christ raises up those who are crcified with Him – outside of which no man can overcome sin. Romans 6.
“But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.” 1 Corinthians 9:27
Eternal security is a false teaching. 1 sin separated Adam and Eve from God and “The wages of sin is (still) death” because God is Holy (Rom 6:23, etc.). Moral coward counterfeits hate, despise the Gospel essential of the cross, the crucified life. They want Jesus to save them to Heaven but not from sin. These are the sin-justifying, grace-perverting “ungodly men” Jude warned us about (Jude 4).
The divine declaration that “The wages of sin is death” which means separation from God, appears throughout Scripture (Romans 6:23).
“He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; but he that despiseth his ways shall die.” Proverbs 19:16
Die or death always means separation.
OSAS/eternal security is a lie from hell. OSAS was Satan’s first lie and so it’s blasphemy to teach this doctrine of devils and claim it’s part of the Gospel. You are attributing Satan’s lie to the LORD Jesus. Repent now sinner. See Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Romans 11:20-22; 1 Timothy 4:1; Hebrews 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21; Jude 4, etc..
The concept of an un-conditional eternal security is not established in Scripture … Except for it being Satan’s first teaching, His first lie – the “Ye shall NOT surely die” lie (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).
“Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” Ephesians 5:25-27
“Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.” Revelation 19:7-9
“Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” 2 Corinthians 7:1
“And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.” 1 John 3:3
“Psalms 51:1-19
Psalm 51: Sweet Perfumes of Penitence
Alexander Maclaren once said, ‘The alchemy of divine love can extract sweet perfumes of penitence and praise out of the filth of sin.’ We have an illustration of this in Psalm 51. As the heading explains, it was written by David after Nathan the prophet had boldly exposed him for committing adultery with Bathsheba and for murdering Uriah. Utterly convicted of his sin, David pours out this torrent of penitence from his broken and contrite heart.” Believer’s Bible Commentary
Read and pray Psalm 51.
Prayer of Returning: Holy Father, You gave all when You gave Your only begotten Son who came and died for our sins. You’ve also called me to lay down my life, to lose my life in this fleeting world. I have not done well at giving over my life to You … You alone who are worthy of my full, unreserved worship. Right this moment I ask You to forgive my sin of having another god before You which is self idolatry and spiritual adultery. I have alienated the affections of my heart away from You LORD and onto myself. For this I ask You to forgive me and I right here and now turn to You Jesus. Right this moment I lay my life in Your holy hands LORD. Into Your hands I submit my spirit – my whole being. Not my will but Thine be done LORD Jesus! I am no longer my own. I am Yours. I am dead and my life is hid with Christ in God. I love You Jesus and am ceaselessly grateful that You bought me with the price of Your own blood! You must increase but I must decrease. I ask You to unite my heart to fear Thy holy name! Teach me daily to lay myself aside and to give the reins over to You! In Jesus’ Name, amen.
Eternal Security/Once saved always saved is a lie from hell.
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Apostasy
“THE GREAT DRAGON” [podcast]

Excerpt from the book Lie of the Ages
Origin of Evil
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” ~ Revelation 12:9
Like it or not, you have a sworn enemy. He has drawn a line in the sand. You are in a war for your eternal soul and you must fight or you will be destroyed.
The introduction to the God of all creation and lover of His highest creation—mankind, is of supreme importance. And so is realizing and understanding the existence of the most wicked and iniquitous being in this universe. He is one of the major themes and realities in this record of mankind’s beginning. The Word of our God unveils creation’s account, leading to our present day and into the eternal future. What is set forth in the book of Genesis would set the stage and affect all of the history that would follow.
This book of origins is about that fatal falsehood which emanates from the Garden where it all began—a garden that was sinless bliss and perfection until the lie was introduced and acted upon by the first two people.
Of this very archenemy of the Most-High, from whom all lies originate, the Word states: “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God” (Ezek. 28:13). The serpent, animated by the vilest of all beings, was allowed to slither into the innocence and purity that originally existed in the sanctuary of creation. This was due to the fact that perfect divine wisdom has seen fit to allow His creation to have the opportunity of choice between good and evil (Deut. 30:19; Josh. 24:15; Job 12:16; 1 Cor. 11:19).
Satan has a purpose. Since love is volitional by its very nature, our Creator has seen fit to permit this evil and beguiling villain to remain present amidst those professing sanctuary in the LORD. Life on earth is a test for all—all humans are on probation. Love is a choice and so is rebellion. The Maker of all made man with free will so that the choice could be made to love or not to love Him. Among volumes of other Scriptures found in Holy Writ which demonstrate this, the following words from on high make plain that the LORD made Man with free will: “Choose you this day whom ye will serve” (Josh. 24:15).
Such a statement would not have been spoken by the LORD if He had not made man with the ability of choice. Man was created with the ability to “choose” every “day” whom he will serve, and this choice is ongoing while men are upon the earth in this temporal life.
It would be remiss to attempt discussing the very lie of the ages without opening the grand subject of the one whom Christ said was the father (originator) of all lies. Of Satan, the Son of God informed us, as He spoke to the rebellious religionists of His day:
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” ~ John 8:44
All men are born in sin and are “by nature” the “children of disobedience.”
“Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.” ~ Ephesians 2:2-3
There are, at this moment only two classes of people in the earth—those who have relationship with the One who made us all, and those who don’t. According to this passage (Ephesians 2), all those who have not been brought into the kingdom of God through Christ, have as their father, the devil. The reason the Son of God came to the earth was to sever the ties and claim of Satan from mankind. He came to deliver men from this relationship of fear, domination and bondage that is only enabled by sin.
“To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” ~ Acts 26:18
“Who (God the Father) hath delivered us from the power of darkness (Satan), and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.” ~ Colossians 1:13-14
The mission of Christ was to reconcile or restore the relationship that had been severed by the sin of the first man and woman which caused death (separation) to fall upon all men, the whole race (Romans 5:12). He fully accomplished His mission and is now seated at His Father’s right hand, enforcing this victory (Heb. 4:14-16; 7:25-26).
From the dawn of the creation and fall of mankind, all evil, tragedy and pain in history has been caused by Satan and enabled by man’s sin (Prov. 26:2). Only the LORD, the One whose holiness is violated when sin is committed, can save, restore and heal (Jer. 17:14; 1 Cor. 15:57; Rev. 21:4).
Victory was obtained through the precious blood of Jesus (1 Pet. 1:18-19). Being forgiven and released from all sin and its evil effects and the dominion of Satan, comes through Christ alone. Jesus utterly conquered His enemy on the cross (Col. 2:13-15; 1 Jn. 3:8). Blessed forgiveness and spiritual power enables the individual disciple to serve the LORD without fear and bondage to sin. Sin enables Satan’s rule and only those who are free from it by Jesus Christ can rule over His enemies (Ps. 8:6; 17:4; Jn. 8:31-36; 1 Jn. 4:4). Christ triumphed over the enemy of all souls with His death on the cross and resurrection from the dead. Read the following passage for all it’s worth:
“For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel.” ~ Colossians 1:19-23
The Son of God accomplished complete victory in bringing God and men back into perfect union by “the blood of His cross” (Col. 1:20).
“And you, being dead (separated) in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened (made alive) together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show (sport; spectacle) of them openly, triumphing over them in it.” ~ Colossians 2:13-15
The “serpent” who was in the Garden of creation and still “walketh about” in the midst of the earth, is specifically identified as Satan and the devil (1 Pet. 5:8; Rev. 12:9; 20:2). This ultimate enemy of all that is good took control of the serpent in his attack against man. The serpent, animated by the enemy of souls himself, was used as the instrument that led to the fall of mankind and the righteous retribution of the holy Creator. Yet, Jesus Christ accomplished mankind’s redemption through “the blood of His cross” (Col. 1:20).
Know Your Enemy
Allow me to parenthetically say here that if one does not personally believe in a literal devil (Satan) and his insidious work of evil among men, then perhaps that person will do well to begin to search God’s Word for the volumes of Scripture which identify and describe him along with unveiling his wicked purposes. The LORD inspired the Scriptures and has much to say about His enemy—our enemy. It is interesting to discover that the word “devil” appears 57 times in the Bible. The word “Satan” appears 50 times. These are the most utilized terms to describe this darkest of fallen beings, and yet there are several more which identify this enemy of all souls who is the personification of evil, such as “serpent,” and “adversary” (1 Pet. 5:8; Rev. 12:9).
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” ~ Revelation 12:9
His goal may be summed up this way: Satan’s complete and total purpose that underlies all that he does is to cause men to fall from grace just as he himself did and was banished from fellowship with the life-giving God. There is a horrible prison of fire which will be the eternal home of all who leave this earth apart from a personal and intimate relationship with the One who died for sinners.
On Judgment Day, that Great and Terrible Day of separation between the righteous and the unrighteous will include these horrible words “from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away”:
“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” ~ Revelation 20:11-15
To those whose existence in this temporal life ends disconnected from the only Savior, the following will be the verdict delivered to them in Judgment: “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41).
Hell is a place of indescribably horrid eternal punishment and was created by the LORD for his archenemy and all those who are not His.
Back to the enemy, the one who wants you dead and in hell: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Pet. 5:8).
One may find great intrigue in uncovering this iniquitous fallen foe and gain much insight into the dark world of demons and deception along with gaining perception into the real battle in the spirit realm that rages over mankind.
“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” ~ Ephesians 6:11-12
By the volume of information about His enemy included in His Word, we know that the LORD intended for us to know our enemy—His enemy.
Believers are to give him no place: “Neither give place to the devil” (Eph. 4:27).
Believers are to set themselves against him: “Resist the devil, and he will flee from you” (Jas. 4:7); “Stand against the wiles of the devil” (Eph. 6:11).
Believers are to know his scheming goals and ways and avoid them lest he gain advantage of us: “Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices” (2 Cor. 2:11).
The devil seeks to trip up, war against, wear out and devour the sheep of the LORD’s pasture. He has come to wreak havoc among the Lord’s highest creation: “The thief (devil) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly” (John 10:10).
Power Over All the Power of the Enemy
Believers are warned to live in obedience to the Word of God in order to escape falling into “the condemnation of the devil” and being caught in “the snare of the devil” or giving an “advantage” to him (1 Tim. 3:6-7; 2 Tim. 2:26; 2 Cor. 2:11).
The enemy of our souls prospers through the ignorance of God’s people—he is shut out and his work nullified by the knowledge and obedience of God’s people.
“By the word of thy lips I have kept me from the paths of the destroyer.” ~ Psalms 17:4
“He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.” ~ Psalms 91:1
Disciples of Jesus are kept from being destroyed by the enemy in obeying the Word of God. Holy Writ informs us that Jesus came to successfully “destroy the works of the devil” and that “greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world” (1 Jn. 3:8; 4:4).
Christ promised power to those who are truly His:
“And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.” ~ Luke 10:17-20
Jesus Christ, the eternal Word, became flesh so that He might destroy the works of the enemy of our souls:
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.” ~ Hebrews 2:14
Believers are told to be of a sober mind and diligent in light of the proactive and evil plans of Satan to destroy them:
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world”. ~ 1 Peter 5:8-9
Here’s what the Bible says about Satan’s work in the last days:
“Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” Revelation 12:12
As foretold here, the work of the evil one is accelerating in this late hour before the destruction of all rebellion and return of our LORD Jesus Christ.
The Alpha and Omega is coming back, and His enemy’s end is sure:
“And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.” ~ Romans 16:20
“And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.” ~ Revelation 20:2-3
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” ~ Revelation 20:10
Surrounded and Outnumbered
Elisha’s servant was brought to the understanding that there are more angels of God with God’s children than there are fallen angels who rebelled:
“And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? And he (the prophet Elisha) answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them. And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.” ~ 2 Kings 6:15-17
The one who is following Christ need not fear. LORD Jesus open our eyes! Nothing has changed—there are “more” angels of the LORD “with us…than they that be with them (the enemy).” The saints of the Most High are promised protection and His angels are part of that plan.
“Are they (God’s angels) not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation.” ~ Hebrews 1:14
“The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.” ~ Psalms 34:7
In Heaven and in eternity past, two-thirds of the then-angelic beings remained under the command and blessing of the Almighty, while a third chose to depart with Lucifer and are forever alienated from the Most High. Let’s take a glimpse into a war that took place in Heaven in eternity past, a war that has great impact today:
“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. ~ Revelation 12:7-12
It would remain difficult to understand this life and present world system, and the world to come if one were to pass lightly over this war of wars that occurred (took place) in Heaven. When we begin to delve into the data given in this matter, understanding comes of our great God and His arch adversary. Enlightenment and understanding into the 6,000 years of mankind’s history open to us when we know what preceded this time period. Knowledge into what we are told prophetically is transpiring before our very eyes. As we are seeing, the Holy Scriptures reveal much about that dark and sinister being called “Satan” and the “devil” who is and will have a large part to play in the fulfillment of prophecy. Although his rebellion against the Almighty began in eternity past, the serpent’s workings among men began in the Garden of Eden. He crept in to accomplish his wicked agenda. He has seemingly succeeded for this moment, yet the divine promise is that his time is running short. “The devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time” (Rev. 12:12).
The First Fall-Out: Eternal Termination
We all understand what it means when someone says, “John and Mark had a falling-out.” This means they were friends or business partners, and then because of some disagreement, they parted company and are no longer friends. Well, the first falling-out occurred between the Almighty and Lucifer. The angel Lucifer fell out of the favor of God and consequently fell out of Heaven. Of Lucifer’s ejection from Heaven, the Son of God stated: “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven” (Lk. 10:18).
The evil one was evicted from Heaven when he turned against God. Originally, he was a good angel, “the anointed cherub,” who led the worship of the Almighty, until the day that “iniquity was found” in him (Ezek. 28:14-15). Lucifer, who became Satan and the devil, led a third of the angels of the Most-High God in rebellion against Him. “And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth” (Rev. 12:4).
Ultimately, all deception and all lies have their origin in this greatest of all enemies who brought about the sin and fall of mankind and wages war today against the Almighty’s highest creation (mankind). Of Satan, the Son of God said: “for he is a liar, and the father of it” (Jn. 8:44). He also informed us that this supreme adversary has come to do three things— “to steal, to kill, and to destroy” (Jn. 10:10). He wages war against God and His people. He is defined as and called “the accuser of our brethren” (Rev. 12:10).
Satan is a real being. He is not a figment of someone’s imagination. In fact, anyone who is convinced of such has already been conquered by his deception. He is forever the sworn enemy of the LORD, and will ultimately be put away for good, never again to tempt another soul to rebel against the Maker of all that is. “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever” (Rev. 20:10).
The one who studies the Word of God will gain priceless insight into the reasons for the current condition of the world, and, into the future blessedness of all those who know and follow the One who bled to save us from God’s holy wrath against sin and Satan (Rom. 5:9). In fact, a divine blessing is pronounced upon all who read and obey the words of Holy Scripture: “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand” (Rev. 1:3).
PRAYER: Holy Father in Heaven, please bless me to know You more and to be kept from the evil one and his wicked schemes against Your people. Right this moment I ask You for and receive a fresh cleansing of all my sins by the blood of Jesus Christ my LORD and Savior, whereby I am blessed to overcome, along with the word of my testimony of how you have washed and delivered me. I declare afresh and aloud, right this second, if never before, that Jesus Christ is LORD of my life, and He alone will I worship and serve. Glory to His precious Name! In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
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Apostasy
The Deaths of Voddie Baucham vs Charlie Kirk [podcast]

Yes it’s an amazing impact and effect God is doing in the lives of so many through Charlie Kirk’s life and death. Undeniable. His life wasn’t perfect, neither was Abraham’s, Rahab’s, Noah’s, Moses, Samson, Peter…. etc. God has each of them with Him now. Dare you pretend to self righteously pretend to be wiser and more just than the Almighty? You’ve been telling everyone else to repent and yet perhaps now it’s your time to obey the LORD’s command to repent (Acts 17:30).
Compare how people are reacting to Voddie Baucham vs how they are reacting to the death of Charlie Kirk.
Interestingly, some of the same people condemning Charlie Kirk listen to Voddie Baucham.
A simple search confirms Voddie Baucham’s Calvinism. He died a heretic. He never renounced the false teachings of Clvinism. In contrast Charlie Kirk denounced bribe money, Catholicism. My inclination is to blast Catholics but Charlie Kirk’s method was much wiser… and so he retained the ear and attention of the Catholics which has and will continue to lead many to Christ. My own family member is now saved due to Charlie Kirk.
The error man can do does not negate the WORD of God, the truth that the same man may have spoken – because GOD’s Word shall always “accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”
“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” Isaiah 55:11
Judas was sent by Jesus to preach the Gospel, heal the sick, raise the dead, etc. See Matthew 10:1-8. Then after that, Judas sinned and betrayed the Son of God. Should we believe that Judas’ sin thereafter somehow negates, does away with the work God accomplished through him previous to his rebellion?
Now I hear and heard Charlie saying he salutes the Mormons due to their sending missionaries all over the world, etc. Not good. I don’t think Charlie knew the slightest bit about what Mormons really believe. I remember after being saved that I thought Mormons were just another Christian group, till I was pulled aside and enlightened by true disciples. Had Charlie been enlightened to what Mormonism really is, he’d have denounced them as he did the Catholic church, who he started out believing were true. He later found out what they believed and denounced it. Is it a sin to be immature in the faith, to not understand everything? No. If that were the case why would God have ever address those immature in the faith? Hebrews 5:11-14; 1 John 2:14
Has God used you?
Does God use imperfect vessels?
Surely you wouldn’t claim sinless perfection, would you? (Job 9:20; Proverbs 20:9; 1 John 1:8-10)
Isn’t finishing strong in faith in Christ what is most important? Yes (2 Timothy 4:6-8).
What about Noah who got drunk? (Genesis 9:21)
How about Abraham who lied and even adulterated with his Egyptian handmaid? (Genesis 16)
What about Moses who killed a man and also struck the rock instead of speaking to it as God instructed him to do? (Numbers 20)
How about David who committed adultery with Bathsheba and then had her husband murdered and then sought a cover up? (2 Samuel 11-12).
No this does not justify sin and yet, God is just and holy and yet He’s merciful to His own, as they repent (Psalms 103:10-12).
Can you disprove the veracity of the above?
“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” 2 Timothy 2:19
Charlie Kirk vs Vodie Bauchum
Bauchum, like Washer, Piper, and MacArthur, spent his life pushing Calvinism, a false system of theology. Every false teacher shall have eternal “damnation” (2 Peter 2:1-3).
Voddie was close friends and Calvinist ministry cohorts with the likes of Paul Washer, John Piper, and John MacAthur, all Calvinist heretic false teachers. See Ezekiel 22:25-27.
The Idiocy of Calvinism
Some claim that Charlie Kirk pushed a false Christianity. Is that true?
In my opinion, Sam Adams seems to have no joy, the fruit of the Spirit…. (Galatians 5:22-23). He’s reading from a script in this video. Just because someone is exposing something doesn’t mean they are in the truth and giving a fair, thorough, just assessment of such. I’m not buying into Sam’s version of this. The facts seem to reveal something different. Sam is a hardshell baptist type and though he’s said some good things, he seems to be going dark. Remember, Sam Adams teaches the heresy of OSAS/eternal security, which was Satan’s first lie and it led to the fall of mankind then and is now doing so (Genesis 2:17; 3:4). The facts seem to indicate that Charlie finished in the faith. He rejected Catholicism and other cultic persuasions. Where were the Sam Adam’s when the young man was being misled? Were they reaching out to help him as did Aquilla and Priscilla when they encountered the young man Apollos when he needed help in maturing in Christ? Acts 18. Be careful what you listen to saints. | Eternal Security is a Life from Hell
Wisdom sees beyond the surface. Charlie was a young man whose discernment was very shallow at best. In the end, he died in the faith, declaring that it’s all about Jesus and that Jesus died for our sins to give us eternal life. Like Samson his life was spotted as are all of our lives. He defended the Bible and faith against a Mormon who was trying to convert him, literally seconds before he was assassinated. A month before that he denounced Catholicism as false. What many fail to understand is that every evil system of antichrists will come after those who have a platform, so that they can have that platform, they can seize that opportunity to get their evil message to the masses. The facts reveal that Charlie was gaining traction against these evil systems and that’s why they murdered him. He hard rejected, turned down $150 million to compromise with Israel. That’s the fair fruit we should see him by it seems (Matthew 7:16, 20).
Samson finished strong
“And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:” Hebrews 11:32
Reminder: The thief on the cross lived a whole life of sin. In his dying moment he called on Jesus and was forgiven, pardoned, and promised paradise. He’s been there with Jesus and the saints for 2,000 years (Luke 23:42-43).
“Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” 1 Timothy 2:4-6
Are we underestimating the mercy of God for “all men”? Are we looking for ways to exclude eternal souls from His kingdom? If YOU died right now, would there be things you did that people could isolate and blow up into a huge issue and yet ignore that you died in faith, you died in the faith?
“For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.” James 2:13
Have you fought a good fight? Have you fought a perfect fight, a fight with no sinful set backs?
Who did Jesus say was seeking to sift the apostle Peter?
“And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, SATAN hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” Luke 22:31-32
This reveals to us that Satan who “walketh about seeking whom he may devour”—seeks to devour, to swallow up, to sift all who are in Christ—just as he did with Peter the apostle of Christ (1 Peter 5:8).
After being sifted by Satan and sinning, Peter was then restored to the LORD and soon after went forth to preach to 8,000 people who all repented and received Christ! See Acts 2-4.
As a recent example, do we think from the evidence that Satan sought to sift, to seduce, to devour Charlie Kirk? Yes he did and yet it seems that as it was with the case with Jesus and Peter, Charlie finished in faith.
Some choose to emphasize the things Charlie seemed to dabble in and yet ultimately openly forsook (Catholicism, compromising for money, etc.). They are dead set on him being in hell. They just can’t seem to get past his vulnerableness to temptation and sin, so easily forgetting all the temptation and sin God has saved them from AFTER He saved them.
SOMEONE might say “they are a MASON”! Even when there is no real proof and fruit that says otherwise. Well I was worse, a CATHOLIC! Which is a worse system. I was farther from God but not unreachable by Him. Thank You Jesus for finding and saving this wretch!
Is there more proof that Charlie Kirk was a mason or a Christian?
There are only 2 types of people on earth—saved and unsaved! Lost or found. Washed in the blood or not!
God is able.
None of us are the Savior (Luke 19:10).
God is love. God is holy. God is merciful. God is just.
One of the final things Charlie Kirk stated before he was assassinated. He could have said ANYTHING and here’s what he chose to say. Matthew 12:34 anyone? Jesus says we know people “by their fruit” and not by what some others are saying (Matthew 7:16, 20). Sticking with the facts.
Solomon had 1,000 women right?
What did he say of women?
“Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.” Proverbs 14:1
“Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.” Ecclesiastes 7:28
Have we seen anything of overt wickedness with Charlie Kirk? He was being courted, played, seduced by the enemy of souls and yet seemed to finish in faith as did Samson after a life of inconsistency. He did this while being surrounded by evil doers.
The fact that no one from TPUSA is calling for a real investigation is beyond suspicious in my opinion.
I don’t trust nor like Erika or any woman at the helm .
It appears possible that God blessed what Charlie did for HIM. The others were riding on God’s blessing upon Charlie. It’s all too typical to see that the pride of men leads them to believe they can do better, in this case, better than Charlie. We can count on this being a catastrophe as it always is. Perhaps they thought that getting rid of Charlie would be the best move (John 16:1-2). It seems now that these evil doers who surrounded Charlie will make a mess of TPusa. It will be controlled by Netanyahu and/or other evil interests. It seems plausible that they murdered him in order to take over his organization, just like Jezebel had her husband Ahab murder Naboth, murdered to take over his land. They offered him a sum of money to purchase his vineyard, but Naboth refused the money and so they murdered him to get his land. See 1 Kings 21. In this case apparently Netanyahu offered $150 million to Charlie Kirk for influence over TPUSA. Charlie refused the money and many believe it was his Israeli security detail that killed him.
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