Fake Jesus, Fake Pastors, Fake Christians, Fake Bibles, Fake Churches Exposed! [podcast]
TODAY’s apostate preachers created a counterfeit generation of false converts, entitled, self-serving counterfeits. There is no fruit proving they are truly born again. Their “christianity” consists of “church” attendance at a cross-less fake church that uses a fake “bible”, preaches a fake “Jesus”, and has a fake “pastor.” Beware. This was specifically foretold (2 Timothy 3:1-13; 4:1-5).
The true disciple of Jesus will listen only to men who fear God and not you/them (2 Samuel 23:3; Matthew 10:28; Galatians 1:10) – and therefore they forcefully declare the whole of His truth straight up into your face! Repent or perish, sinner!
“Love this podcast! Thank you. We go to the home (retirement) to minister every week except one. Another church does it. We got mixed up on our weeks and the other people showed up. So we stayed and it was unbelievable what we witnessed! No Bible! They had a folder! Everything was in this folder. All prayers, the message, all of it! They couldn’t find the folder and were panicked. Of course because they had nothing without it! All was completely scripted! They did not even talk to the residents! No love of Jesus! They were like robots! No Holy Spirit and no Jesus! All mechanical!! Dead religion. After they left the residents didn’t move. Because they were waiting to be fed. So we stayed and gave them some good nourishment from the Lord! Shocking!” Karen Cochran
Wise and true disciples of Jesus are not leaving the fake churches because they are departing from the faith but rather because they are preserving their faith, their eternal souls and departing from the fake “bibles,” the fake “pastors,” the fake “Jesus,” and the fake “gospel” (Galatians 1:6-9; 1 Timothy 4:1-2).
Modern “church” gatherings do not resemble what we see in Scripture and anyone who thinks so, is biblically illiterate…. needs to get into the Word for themselves. Speaking of which, 99% of modern churches use fake “bibles”…. laughable. They have fake pastors, fake “bibles,” a fake “Jesus,” and fake churches.
“Folks, I’m not trying to make enemies, but I will speak truth: every Sunday I see comments and posts and memes on here; some of you blasting people who don’t attend a church building. Newsflash: I am a member of the church, Christ’s body, no matter where I am. The biblical command for assembly is where two or three are gathered in Jesus’ name. Frankly, that is all that’s required for biblical assembly. Do you want to go to church? That’s fine; but nowhere in the Bible are we commanded or expected to gather in a building with unconverted people and call it ‘church.’ I love you all, but some of you need to come out of those buildings and get back in the word of God! In love and truth; as a brother should.” Michael Neff
Doctrines Missing from the Modern Church
If they use a fake “bible” this proves they are a fake fellowship.
Tell us all why you justify the removal of the BLOOD of Jesus in Colossians 1:14 in your fake “bible”? Please explain why you believe it’s ok that Romans 8:1 is chopped in half in the “bible” you read? How about answering why it’s ok in your mind that the words of Jesus in Matthew 17:21 were chopped out, completely removed. What does Revelation 22:18-19 severely warn us about?
ANYONE can rent or build a building and put chairs and a pulpit in it. THAT doesn’t make him a true elder in Christ’s kingdom.
There are 2 key truths concerning authentic elders, of which there are very few today amidst the many who claim to be.
1. They speak the pure Word of God (Hebrews 13:7).
2. They watch for the souls of the saints (Hebrews 13:17).
The visible church is not a physical building nor necessarily those who enter one, once a week. “YE are God’s building” (1 Corinthians 3:9).
“Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.” 1 Peter 2:5
The Greek word for “church” is ekklesia which means the people, the called out ones.
If those church building gatherings were operating by the Word of God, why is 95% of the professing church in the horrible place of apostasy we see? WHAT is the fruit of the modern church building gatherings other than no repentance, no holiness, no blood, no cross, no crucified life, no evangelism, etc?
The Professing Modern Church Exposed
The visible “church” doesn’t represent the real church, the people. Building Christ’s kingdom in the hearts of men. This is exactly what Jesus meant when He declared “I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18). He certainly didn’t mean corral people to entertain them with fake “bibles”, fake “pastors” who preach another, a fake “Jesus.”
“Upon this rock (the revelation that Jesus is the Messiah) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18
The modern “church” world is overflowing with greed-driven covetous men who are building their own church busine$$ and have no intention to repent (2 Peter 2:1-3). In their lame seminary they learned and are using a cookie cutter business model as they run a scam on the self-serving gullible pawns who support them. Those who have truly repented are about the “Father’s business” as was Christ and not about building their own church business. God warned us and He also declared that anyone who helps these wolves build anything but HIS kingdom will perish, will go to hell with them.
See 2 Peter 2:1-3 and 2 John 10-11.
You feel all good about yourself because you attend a “church” meeting weekly and yet there is no cross in your life or daily seeking the face of the LORD in His Word, prayer, or evangelizing the lost. Counterfeit.
How many church going “Christians” do you know who are living the crucified life Jesus says is essential for knowing and following Him? See Luke 9:23-24; 14:27. Let me guess, that like me you know zero “church” building attending mere professors who are living the crucified life, ministering to others daily, living a life of prayer, etc., right?
“And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:” Revelation 2:26
Dead. Buried. Raised Up Daily!
So you are all hyped about your “church” and yet not in the Word daily, living a life of prayer, and evangelizing the lost? We just defined an unrepentant, fruit-less counterfeit.
“These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots.” Jude 12
WHAT will you say to the nail scarred risen LORD on Judgment Day when you made it about something else other than Him?
The cross. Studying God’s Word for yourself. Living a life of prayer. Obeying Christ’s Great Commission command, etc. – Your fake “pastor” hasn’t mentioned or made these biblical things known to you because he’s too busy using you to build his own enterprise. And because you are not a true and honest student of Christ, of His Word, you are easily deceived.
WE are nothing, we don’t exist, we have nothing without JESUS! See John 15:5; Colossians 1.
Pinnacle Revelation
Knowing God is the paramount divine purpose for which He sent His only begotten Son ….. and for which He created, made us.
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
Knowing God is the reason He sent His only begotten Son—to bring us to Himself in a present and eternal relationship (Exodus 25:8; Psalms 27:4, 8; Philippians 3:10, etc.). One of Satan’s tricks is to get the elders to intercept that heart affection worship.
“And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.” Exodus 25:8
“It has always been about Jesus. Before Christ came to save us from our sins, the Bible was pointing to Jesus. Now after Christ came, we still look to Jesus. It has always been about knowing and trusting in Jesus. Before He came people just did not know His name, but now we do!” Serena Wagner
It’s not about elders, bishops. or pastors. Christ’s eternal kingdom is all about Jesus and no other. Read John 1; Colossians 1-2; Hebrews 1; Revelation 1.
The only way to “know him” is to be “made conformable unto his death.”
“That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;” Philippians 3:10
In knowing and loving God, should we not desires to keep everything out of our lives which would interfere with that relationship?
“The early Christians were intensely Christ centered. Jesus Christ was their pulse beat. He was their life, their breath, and their central point of reference. He was the object of their worship, and the subject of their songs, and the content of their discussions and vocabulary. The New Testament church made the Lord Jesus Christ central and supreme in all things.” Pagan Christianity
The Cross
IF you are not hearing the cross, the crucified life and knowing Jesus and the Father, you are sitting under “another gospel” (John 17:3; Galatians 1:6-9; 2:20; 6:14; Philippians 3:10; Colossians 1-2).
Today’s wolves coercively indoctrinate their prey into believing they must belong to that certain “church” instead of fostering a love for God, for Jesus in them. They are not upholding, exalting and glorifying JESUS (Colossians 1-2)!
Has not the modern church been turned into anything but knowing, seeking, loving, worshipping, and obeying Jesus? This is the spirit of antichrist which has replaced the worship of the nail-scarred risen Savior. He is not upheld, they are not holding Him up, upholding Jesus Christ. See Colossians 2:18-19.
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
“These early believers loved Jesus with their whole hearts. He was the central focus of their lives! Unlike the churches today who are centered on self, and Jesus is no where to be found. He stands at the door and knocks but they won’t let Him in.” Karen Cochran
Dancing on the Defeated Devil’s Grave! Get some! Now!
BARELY GETTING ALONG OR FLOURISHING, THRIVING IN THE RESURRECTION POWER OF JESUS CHRIST? (Romans 8:11-14; 2 Corinthians 4:10-12)
Who’s ready for a satanic slap down? (Acts 10:38; 1 John 3:8)
The cross of Christ and the one He commanded us to take up daily is our weapon against Satan and his unholy minions! Jesus defeated Satan by dying and so shall we die to self as we follow our LORD Jesus (Colossians 2:14-19; Hebrews 2:14).
The cross gets us out of the way so that the relationship for which God created us can flourish (John 17:3; Philippians 3:10).
Wow, the heart of the Gospel is coming to light, God is bringing it to the light…. knowing Him via the crucified life (Philippians 3:10)!
“That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;” Philippians 3:10
“Knowing God and the cross: That nails it! As I read how these early believers loved Jesus and He was their whole life, I started to see how my life has changed since embracing the cross. The things I used to enjoy, fleshly, worldly, I no longer enjoy! I want my whole life to be about Jesus! Just as the early believers. If Jesus isn’t involved I don’t want to be involved! It is no longer what I want but what my Lord wants! God has changed my heart. I desire what he desires. Psalm 37:4. Through the cross, the crucified life our hearts are increasingly circumcised as God changes our desires to desire what He desires. Hallelujah! It’s no longer about you, but Jesus!” Karen Cochran
“One man fully surrendered to God is more valuable than 10,000 men who attend church.” unknown
“Disciples are not raised up in Bible schools or in buildings wearing their Sunday best. They are made in the furnace with much affliction and persecution. But we count it all as joy!” unknown
“How true this is! Sad! It is called “churchianity” and has ABSOLUTELY N.O.T.H.I.N.G to do with Jesus Christ or following Him or the Kingdom of God! NOTHING! It is a RELIGIOUS SCAM.” Clare R. Watts
“Many years ago we were part of a church that preached this. The idea was to bring them in! Then do not preach anything that might make them uncomfortable or offend. Especially do not preach sin, salvation, or repentance. They wanted the church to be nonthreatening. Do not do or say anything to scare them away. I guess they get saved by osmosis. Jesus offended. John 6:60, many of His disciples told Him ‘these are hard sayings, who can hear it.’ In v 61 Jesus responded “Doth this offend you?” And it did because v 66 says many walked away. That was their choice. Jesus didn’t soften the gospel because it offended people.” Karen Cochran
It’s not only WHAT a man is teaching, more insidiously, it’s what he’s NOT teaching. And if you don’t know God’s Word yourself, you’ll never know what’s being left out of today’s false gospel.
Yet we have so many claiming their pastor is the best, their church is amazing, etc. Yet, do these same people know the Word (2 Timothy 2:15; 3:15-17, etc.)? Are they in God’s Word daily? Are they denying self, taking up the cross, and following Jesus daily (Luke 9:23-24)?
As many of you will relate, I can’t tell you how many people have sworn how great their “church” and pastors are. Only needed to listen to 20 minutes of one of their pastor’s sermonettes which included so very little Scripture and in addition to that, they are using fake “bibles.”
Recently a head “pastor” / “elder” took exception from our different views of what constitutes true fellowship, assembling as Christ’s saints (Acts 2:42; Colossians 3:16; Hebrews 10:25). This same seminarian graduate “pastor” didn’t know God’s Word very well and so we can assume neither did his audience. They held bingo meetings at that “church.”
Most have no idea that they are being played by a priesthood of Vatican indoctrinated seminarians, false prophets. And most of those professional seminarian “pastors” have no idea how much they’ve been deceived. Many or most of them have never been born again. Upon attending Bible college myself, it became more than evident that most of the students, future hireling “pastors” were not even saved—and didn’t want to be.
When the Jesuit devils infiltrated the seminaries, the first thing they did was replace the King James Bible with Vatican corrupted and controlled “bibles.” They all come from the corrupt lineage of manuscripts.
In preparation for the one world religion, this Vatican infiltration began in the 1950’s (Revelation 17-18). Billy Graham the traitor greatly participated and because so many upheld that antichrist masonic devil as a type of protestant pope, they were ensnared.
ARE WE hearing Bible truth like this? If not, what does that reveal about those we’ve chosen to sit under?
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14
“I have had many argue with me over this verse. They will say I can’t be holy, I sin everyday and am only human. So I guess they accept that as fact and are content to stay living in their sin. Holiness is a requirement to be able to enter God’s presence. There will be consequences for continuing in a life of sin. ‘For the wages of sin is death’ (Romans 6:23).” Karen Cochran
What about 2 Corinthians 7:1? Look it up if you don’t yet have it memorized.
What about the myriad of Bible verses, passages on the cross, the crucified life? Ever hear them from your favorite “pastor”? If not you are willingly deceived and he’s an enemy of the cross of Christ – “Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things” (Philippians 3:18-19). Personal holiness is essential and the Gospel imperative of the cross makes this possible.
We cannot get to God’s end till we obey His means to that end. Death and burial preceded His resurrection blessing!
Those who wish to continue in their sins that separate them from God who is Holy, evade/ run from the sound doctrine of Holy Scripture which centers upon the cross of Christ and the one He mandated that we take up daily (Luke 9:9:23-24).
“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:22-23
Speaking of the apostate modern church world and the lies being told to the people….
“Easy believism. Just let me say a quick prayer (no repentance) so I can go to heaven. Then let me go and live my best life now! No requirements. No conditions. Don’t ask me to give up anything for Christ. I will mention His name once in awhile and even pray when I may need something but I don’t want a relationship. I am busy with my life. I will continue to come to church and tithe but any mention of hell, dying to self, repentance, holiness, sin, and judgment I will leave and not come back. I can find another church with a Pastor that will tickle my ears. The mind of a modern, lukewarm, living my best life now, Christian!” Karen Cochran
Church membership, false teachings, and religious organizations are a trap. These are Satan’s agents to keep you from the King and eternity with Him. The harshest rebukes issued forth from Christ upon the false priesthood of frauds of His day and nothing has changed (Ecclesiastes 1:9; Matthew 23, etc.). He didn’t flip the tables of the heathen but rather of the money changers in the temple upon those who had replaced the worship of Him to make those gatherings a den of thieving wolves (Matthew 21; John 2). Jesus and His apostles constantly warned us of this… Matthew 7:15; 24:11; 2 Peter 3:17; Colossians 2:6-10; Revelation 3:11, etc.
The biblical revelation, the truth concerning what the humble assembling of Christ’s saints is to look like seems to produce in us a pleasant soberness, right?… Acts 2:42; Colossians 3:17, etc.
As Peter specifically pointed out, the rah-rah sessions we call “worship services” are constructed to make merchandise of the people, to make them feel obligated to pay into it, to fund the circus, to keep them spinning (2 Peter 2:1-3). Jesus is flipping the tables on those who have made His house (the occasion for His body to meet and love on Him and each other) into a den of thieves (Matthew 21 and John 2).
“Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.” Ezekiel 3:21
Is the blood off your hands? Are you warning those around you?
This doesn’t require screaming at anyone but rather communicating to them what lies ahead for every eternal soul (Proverbs 15:11; Mark 16:16, etc.).
“Therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.” Ezekiel 33:7
One will never see until he seeks.
“Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.” 1 Chronicles 16:11
Any and every person who has not repented and chosen to have a heart after God, is not going to be with Him in eternity (1 Samuel 16:7; Psalms 57:7; 63:8; Matthew 5:6; 15:8; Acts 13:22, etc.).
“If modern Christians refuse to serve the Lord now on this earth, why would they want to serve Him in heaven? As many hearts are far from Him. (Matthew 15:8). Would God want anyone in His kingdom who does not love Him with all their heart, soul and mind (Matthew 22:37)? Those who love Him supremely want to obey and serve Him with all their hearts. His true disciples will be His servants in the New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:3). ‘And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him.” All others who don’t love Him and are busy serving self will be vanquished into the eternal flames.” Karen Cochran
“We would see Jesus.” John 12:21
Anyone who is in darkness, does not see, is blind … is blind due to their HEART not being turned to the LORD, truly. They have not truly repented afresh and are not seeking the fake of the LORD. They are out of communion, out of fellowship with God. There’s no way to walk with the light of the world on HIS stated terms an not be walking in the light of His truth (Psalms 119:130; John 8:12).
“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless WHEN it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.” 2 Corinthians 3:14-18
The only reason we, each of us has been deceived in the past is due to our own biblical ignorance (Proverbs 24:5; Hosea 4:6; 2 Timothy 2:15). Lacking the knowledge of the Word, we didn’t see what they were LEAVING OUT. We didn’t know to discern what they were teaching and what they were NOT teaching. Now, as we grow in the knowledge of the LORD through diligent daily study of His Word, we know to look for the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith. For example, WHERE O WHERE is the cross, the crucified life being taught in the apostate modern church? Virtually nowhere! AND, there is no overcoming of sin (which separates us from God) without the cross life, without being crucified with Christ daily (Luke 9:23-24; Romans 6, etc.).
ANY man pretending to be representing Christ and not preaching the cross Christ preached, mandated, is a wolf. 100%. Run.
“Some people aren’t worshipping the Jesus of the Bible, but rather, a Jesus they’ve created in their own minds with their own opinions and preferences. That’s called idolatry.” Shane Pruitt
Counterfeits don’t care about the murdered or continual murder of innocent precious babies …… they just want to go back to their Laodicean lifestyle.
IF your giving is to something that is not biblically true to Jesus’ Great Commission, you are funding a fraud, you are bidding God speed to hell bound wolves in sheep’s clothing and will be judged with them.
“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 10-11
TODAY: A close friend of mine who is a brother in Christ sent me this. He has orphanages in Uganda. He called today to tell me about the fake “church” he goes to in the Dallas area that is currently raising and collecting $16 MILLION dollars to build a pickle ball and basket ball court. They fully know of his orphanages in Uganda. Anyone wish to guess how much money they gave him to help support the Gospel work he’s doing? Take a guess in the comments if you wish….
***ANYONE GIVING TO SUCH A FRAUD “CHURCH” PROVES TO BE A LOST SOUL. REPENT NOW.
Let me get this straight ….
The wolf you call “pastor” is collecting money to build a new building, to build a basketball court, to increase his real estate portfolio, etc. ….. and you still don’t see he’s a fraud?
WHERE did Jesus or His holy apostles collect one penny to build any building to further Christ’s kingdom? Chapters and verses please.
AND WE WONDER WHY AMERICA IS OVER? This is the same list of sins Sodom was cited for just before total destruction (Ezekiel 16:49-51). – “neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy” (Ezekiel 16:49).
The root sins that led to the complete destruction of Sodom and Gom0rrah.
The Forgotten Sins of Sodom [podcast]
It’s time to cease building the church busine$$es of evil men and begin building Christ’s kingdom in the hearts of men.
This is exactly what Jesus meant when He declared “I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18).
“Upon this rock (the revelation that Jesus is the Messiah) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18
If a pretend elder is not equipping people for “the work of the ministry,” launching them, etc., such a man is a fraud 100%.
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:” Ephesians 4:11-12
God didn’t send His only begotten Son to come die for His people to they could be church members of a wolf. There’s no such thing as church membership in the early church. No one raised a penny to build an official “church” building. No they WERE the church and lived like it. The money was spent to build Christ’s kingdom, to take care of those called out full-time as Christ’s Gospel laborers, and the CHRISTIANS who were poor/needed help at the time.
“False preachers and teachers always preach to your emotions and pride: making you feel good about yourself. The gospel of Jesus Christ, which stresses repentance and dying to self will absolutely not appeal to our emotions! I felt about 2 inches tall when I heard the truth about myself. It was the worst “feelings” that lead to the best decision I’ve ever made or will make.” Michael Neff
YOUR PRAYER: Holy Father, I come to You as an absolute fraud, a vile and depraved sinful man. Bust up the depth of my cold hardened heart—at the innermost core of this being. Please strip all the evil. Break me. Cleanse me. Do Your deep work in this life dear LORD. In Jesus’ name. Amen.
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Apostasy
Favorite Eternal Security “Proof” Text? [podcast]
Excerpt from the book Lie of the Ages
Does John 10:27-29 Prove “Eternal Security”?
WHO are Jesus’ Sheep? Defined by, in God’s Word.
John 10:27-29
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” ~ John 10:27-29
Verse 27 is the condition necessary to appropriate the promises of verses 28-29.
Those who believe that a man can never lose his salvation, use this John 10:28-29 text but ignore the prerequisite, the divinely given condition – v27. Watch this:
Firstly, in this passage Jesus identifies those sheep whom He makes the security promise to. He says, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” In this we see one part divine and two parts the responsibility of the individual:
- “I know them”—the divine part toward those who are truly in Christ, presently abiding (v. 27)
- Those who are His sheep “hear” His “voice” and “follow” Him—the individual’s responsibility (v. 27)
The promise to be kept is a conditional promise which requires that we choose to continue to hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27-29). Many today wrongly detach our LORD’s words in verse 27 from verses 28-29. In doing so, they perpetrate their “eternal security” mythology.
The problem for the eternal securists is that v27 has been intentionally been ignored…. It’s the actual condition Jesus gives for receiving the assurance promises He then gives in v28-29.
Those who seek to spread the “once saved always saved” heresy use John 10:28-29 to their advantage and conveniently ignore the preceding words of Christ in verse 27. Verses 28-29 are promises of security to those who have been genuinely born again and are currently abiding in Christ – hearing His voice and following Him (John 15:1-6). Many ignore the previous qualifying words (v. 27) of Jesus where Christ tells us that only those who are hearing His voice and following Him are promised that they are secure and will never perish. There is a condition to being secure in Christ—knowing Him—which requires continuing to abide in Him, hear His voice and follow Him (see also John 15).
“Jesus will neither leave us nor forsake us, but we can leave and forsake Him by choosing our sins OVER His love, grace and mercy!” Dino Filardo
Eternal securists have been taught to selectively interpret Scripture while ignoring mountains of Bible truth, in order to come to a predetermined conclusion.
Many a false teacher has built his own ministry empire dishonestly peddling this passage. Take a closer look. Anchor the promise to be kept in verses 28-29 on verse 27 where Jesus identifies who His sheep are – those who hear and continue to hear His voice and continue to follow Him (present tense). The promise to be kept is a glorious and yet conditional promise which requires that the individual recipient of the salvation gift of God chooses to continue to hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27-29). Many today wrongly detach our LORD’s words in verse 27 from verses 28-29 of John 10. In doing so, they perpetrate their “eternal security” or otherwise called “once saved always saved” mythology. Beware as this was the first lie Satan told mankind, which led to the fall (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).
Instead of synthesizing the whole of Scripture, false teachers isolate certain verses for their own self-serving agenda and purpose (2 Corinthians 2:17, etc.).
The sheep Jesus’ promises are going to be kept are those who endure to the end, abide (remain) with Him (John 15:1-6). The Great Shepherd defines His sheep as those who are presently hearing His voice and following Him (present tense). John 10:27-29
It’s not difficult to mislead people in the direction of the sinful nature of their hearts – because then they can evade truly repenting which is a major life change and necessity for salvation. This is why Paul foretold of this hour and how men would “heap to themselves (false) teachers having itching ears.” (2 Timothy 4:3) “Itching ears” here represents unrepentant hearts.
OSAS people make a vain attempt at redefining the words of Scripture to fit their own self-serving agenda of lukewarmness, cross-less rebellion. For example they hyper-focus on “eternal” in the term “eternal life” while intentionally refusing to synthesize the whole of what Scripture states. They hyper-focus on the word “gift” and teach that a gift could never be lost which the rest of Scripture does not agree with. They then take the word “sealed” and make it to be permanent which it cannot possibly be because the same Greek word for “sealed” is used of Jesus’ tomb which we all know was NOT permanently sealed (Matthew 27:66). In this they bear false witness against the LORD and act like some Scriptures are more divinely inspired than others. This practice reveals the evil and deceit of their own hearts. Not just some Scripture in the Bible but rather “ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God…” (2 Timothy 3:16-17) It must all be synthesized, put together, compared (1 Corinthians 2:13). Error will result in the hearts and lives of those who do not search, study, and revere “ALL scripture” in God’s Word.
Eternal security deceivers don’t want to talk about Bible verses that contradict and expose their proof texts. You see, they don’t want to get awaken by the truth to the scam they’ve bought into. The wolves who they gullibly believe instead of God’s Word, taught them to cry “context, context” all while THEY are the beguilers who are taking Scripture out of context. Just like the demonic democrats in America, they accuse their adversaries of the exact thing THEY themselves are guilty of (Romans 2:1-3).
YOU are defending OSAS and yet you gave no Bible verses? Self-deception. If “once saved always saved” were true, WHY O WHY didn’t God tell us? Such a term, phrase, or concept appear no where in Scripture and the verses you use to “prove” it are taken out of their context. OSAS is undeniably the very first lie Satan ever told and it led to the fall of mankind from a HOLY God (Genesis 2:17; 3:4). If OSAS isn’t a doctrine of devils, nothing is! (1 Timothy 4:1-2)
Is the unchanging, Almighty God no longer “Holy, holy, holy” now that He sent His only begotten Son? (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8) If He’s still holy, no unrepentant person with sin will enter His holy Heaven (Revelation 21:8, 27, etc.).
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14
HOW is it that so many treat the words of JESUS recorded in John 10 more divinely authoritative than the words of JESUS recorded in John 15? False teachers.
Most of the dupes who cite John 10:28-29 to “prove” they can never lose their salvation, 1. Don’t even know what the preceding verse says (v27), and 2. Have no clue what JESUS says in John 15:6.
“If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6
In this John 10 passage used by the unconditional eternal security crew to peddle their wares, some neglect to look closely at verse 27 to see who Jesus was specifically speaking to when He promised “they shall never perish.” “They” refers to those who “hear my voice” and “follow me.” According to verse 27 the promise of eternal security is conditional. Assurance of salvation is only to those who are presently following Christ. In verse 27 we learn that protection from judgment to come is only to those who are currently 1) hearing His voice, 2) known by Him, and 3) following Him. This is consistent with the message seen in the whole of Holy Writ.
“For if AFTER they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, AFTER they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit AGAIN; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22
WHO did Jesus say His true sheep are?
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (Jn. 10:27). According to these words of Christ, those who “know” Jesus and “follow” Him are given the promise that they will “never perish.” As long as the follower hears His voice and follows Him, they are assured “eternal life.” This is exactly what the Son of God taught just a few chapters later in John 15 where He says that if a branch that is in Him does not remain or abide in Him, that person will be cut off and cast into the fire (hell).
Those who abide or remain under the shadow of His holy and protective wing shall remain secure in Him (Ps. 91:1). The Good Shepherd here said: “Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” No man can pluck us out of His protection except ourselves by our own decisions. We who are abiding are protected from the snare of other men drawing us away as we remain walking with the Son of God. If you’re tucked, you won’t get plucked. If you’re not tucked under the wing of intimacy with Jesus, you will, can, and are likely to be plucked out of His holy hand by your own sinful unbelief. The LORD told us “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown” (Rev. 3:11).
It’s also notable that those who emphasize John 10 to convince themselves and others that they are “eternally secure”, don’t even know much less acknowledge the words of the Savior in John 15:1-6.
Telling.
“If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6
Jesus taught repeatedly that some would not continue to follow Him (“abide”) and hear His voice and would consequently “fall away.” There is record of some who once believed and then stopped believing (Lk. 8:13; 13:23-30; Jn. 6:66; Acts 8:14-23).
WHY do eternal securists get all upset when their fairy tale is exposed? Well, they are hiding behind the thin veneer of this heresy, feeling all secure, emboldened to live as they please, feeling assured in their lukewarmness and sin … denying Jesus instead of self, refusing to take up the cross that Jesus commanded all who would follow Him truly (Luke 9:23-24). Christ’s apostle Paul speaks of self-serving “enemies of the cross of Christ.” (Philippians 3:18-19) What’s behind this myth? The Psychology of Eternal Security [book]
Another Example of the Twisting of Scripture
The eternal securists seek to justify their OSAS heresy by misusing the following passage…. but in this Paul is speaking of those who go to Heaven, the judgment of saints, and not those who fell away and won’t be there because they will be in hell. They will not be present when this happens….
“Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
One More….
Common Objection to Conditional Eternal Security….
“What about Romans 8:38-39 where it says nothing can separate us from the love of God?”
REPLY:
Simple: Notice the word LOVE not life. God will love us all the way into hell if we choose not to repent. His soul will even “weep in secret places for your pride” which comes before destruction (Jeremiah 13:17). The LORD is “Holy, holy, holy,” He’s just, and He will not ever coexist with sin. See the fall of lucifer (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-19; Luke 10:18). The wages of sin is still death and the LORD will damn every soul that dies in sin, with no exception (Psalms 5:4; Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Romans 6:23; Revelation 4:8; 21:8; 22:11, etc.). Read Jesus’s parable of the prodigal son Lk 15. Did the father love and miss his son? Yes. Did the father (represents God) go chase him down? No. The son who departed had to choose to return. Much truth there. Speaking of Romans, read 11:20-22. Now read 2 Peter 2:20-22 and the book of Hebrews.
1 John 2:19 is often also utilized to “prove” eternal security. Not.
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:19
Interestingly, the word “never” does not appear in this verse above which is so often used to “prove” OSAS. Let’s read it again with an objective mind. And, also remember what Jesus says about the primary importance of His teaching of the seed and the soil, the sower and the Word:
“And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?” Mark 4:13
The honest student of the whole Counsel of God’s Word knows that numerous clear Bible truths reveal that a saved person can turn away from the LORD, so we know that the apostle John could not possibly be saying that a saved person could never depart from the LORD. In my opinion, this verse is the best argument the eternal security proponent has, yet it’s not enough. There must be two or three witnesses and not just one (2 Cor. 13:1). After a closer examination of this text, one will find that verse 19 does not teach or justify “once saved always saved.” When any one verse is taken to the exclusion of the whole Word of God, one will certainly misunderstand the doctrine of the LORD which can only be apprehended by “study.” (2 Tim. 2:15) This verse is like any other verse of Scripture – it must be taken in light of the entire Counsel of God. The context to be considered is 1 John 2:18-29).
In examining the context in which 1 John 2:19 is set, we see that false teachers whom John calls “many antichrists,” had come and were telling these believers that Jesus was not the Christ (v22).
Let’s look at verses 18 and 19 together:
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:18-19
Note here that it is specifically of these “antichrists” that John speaks and says that “if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
John was speaking of those who were once saved but then departed from the faith (1 Tim 4:1), they believed and then fell away (Luke 8:12-13) …. then departed from the believers in that fellowship.
Teddy Caldwell writes:
“OSAS insists that those are professing believers, but 1 John 2:18 says such people are antichrists. 1 John 2:22 says an antichrist is one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Anyone who does that isn’t a believer and isn’t even trying to look like one.”
Concerning 1 John 2:19, Donald Stamps, in the Life in the Spirit Study Bible, writes:
“‘THEY WENT OUT FROM US.’ When the antichrists departed from their fellowship with true believers, they were not in a saving relationship with Christ. This allows for two possibilities: (1) They were never true believers to begin with, or (2) they had once been in a saving relationship with Christ but afterward abandoned their faith in Christ.”
Right here in verse 24 of this passage we see the doctrine of personal responsibility to “remain” in faithful obedience to the LORD or lose one’s place with God (1 Cor. 15:2; Gal. 6:9; Col. 1:23). This is a teaching found throughout Holy Writ – the divine requirement to stay saved or lose all in eternity, “suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 7)
“Let that therefore abide (remain) in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. IF (denotes condition) that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.” 1 John 2:24-25
Verse 24 alone tells us that we cannot think that verse 19 means that someone who is at some point in right standing with God can never depart from Him and lose out. Also, verse 25 tells us that “eternal life” (not just rewards) is at stake and the promise contingent upon the believer abiding or remaining in that “which ye have heard from the beginning” which is the Gospel. “Eternal life” is assured as long as one is remaining rooted in Jesus Christ. This is the overwhelmingly consistent message of God’s Word.
In verse 26 John says “These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.” Verse 19 is written about the deceivers who sought to “seduce” these disciples John was addressing and not of true believers.
With all of Scripture in consideration, we can conclude that 1 John 2:19 is a specific example and not a rule of doctrine.
If you truly wish to search out this matter, let me encourage you to closely examine, break down and study this entire text (1 Jn. 2:18-29). In order to ascertain truth, one must compare the verse in question with all other related Scriptures, beginning with the context in which the verse is set (Isa. 28:9-10; 1 Cor. 2:13).
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ALL who are not in God’s written Word daily are not hearing from God, do not have God’s wisdom and direction, and are walking in darkness – 100%.
The feeding of Christ’s flock would integrally involve exhorting them to diligently study and walk in God’s Word themselves, daily (John 21:15-17). Isn’t this exactly what the apostle Paul told Timothy to do? Yes. He told his understudy to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15)
One of the ways we know who the false ministers are, is that they want people dependent on THEM, not God. So, they don’t constantly exhort the people to get into God’s Word, the Holy Scriptures, for themselves. Run.
“This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.” Joshua 1:8
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“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” Jeremiah 15:16
“Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.” Job 23:12
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“Reformed Theology“, is just a fancy way of saying ‘We know better than Paul, the old testament prophets, even David! And the very apostles who walked with Jesus must be unlearned men or liars.’ Nay, I will not say such a thing of my LORD and Saviour, Christ Jesus. Let God be true, and >every< man a liar.” Jonathan Crane
It’s “ungodly men” who mislead the gullible with the eternal security heresy, and the heretical doctrines and system of calvinism. Jude warned us of just that, as did the prophets (Jude 3-4; Jeremiah 23:17, etc.). Then Jude reminds us of God’s judgment upon His own covenant people who were saved out of Egypt (the world) and then “afterward destroyed.” Then Jude reminds us that God judged the angels, a third of them, who rebelled against Him and were terminated from His domain, Heaven (Isaiah 14:12-15; Luke 10:18; Revelation 12:7-12, etc.).
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” Jude 4-6
The Book of Jude
Greeting
1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
Judgment on False Teachers
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.
A Call to Persevere
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Doxology
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.