Eternal Security Dialogue
QUESTION ASKED:
“How does one loose what he did not earn?”
REPLY:
Ask Jesus, He said to His own that we must endure to the end to be saved (Matthew 10:22; 24:13).
You could also ask: WHY does Jesus save only some and not all? After all JESUS earned salvation for all, right? … God gave man conditions to be saved. The Bible teaches both initial and final salvation.
You have been misled and therefore are confusing what Jesus did and what Jesus requires us to do to be saved – initially and finally – repentance and faith. Jesus said “It is finished” when HIS work was finished. Yet, this same LORD commanded us to deny self, take up the cross daily in order to follow Him – otherwise we are not following Him and will not be with Him (Luke 9:23-24).
REPLY:
Your experience means nothing, neither does mine (Romans 3:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). God’s written Word is final divine authority and you are clearly contradicting it and have much to answer for in how you have misled many for over 30 years. Repent sinner. Your years in “ministry” only reveal just how sadly you have wasted those years peddling Satan’s first lie which led to the fall of mankind – Gen 2:17; 3:4.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Rightly divide, Matthew 10:22 is not for the church age but for the Jews.”
REPLY:
WHO said that Matthew 10 is only for the Jews? Not God. So, you are saying that Jesus’ words aren’t for His New Testament saints? Wow! Rightly divide – this truth spans the whole of God’s Word. Rightly divide – there is one body in Christ, not 2 (Eph 2). So, if this passage is speaking of the final days, and it is, are there not both Jew and Gentile believers? Yes.
You’ve gotten misled on this.
If that verse isn’t applicable to ALL NT saints, why is in God’s Word? AND, then you can’t use any other verse in that chapter, right? Wrong.
So this doesn’t apply to all of Christ’s saints?
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
None of this from that text applies????
Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Also, your logic would mean there’s no need for the 39 books of the Old Testament and yet the NEW Testament says: “For whatsoever things were written aforetime (OT!) were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” Romans 15:4)
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“But teaching you can lose your salvation is works salvation!”
REPLY:
SO, listening to Jesus who says you can “fall away” and must “endure to the end” to be “saved” is works salvation???? Wow. (Lk 8:13; Matt 1:22; 24:13)
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Hey brother I’m a little confused how do you lose your salvation. I was under the impression that once Born Again into the family of God always a child of God kind of like The Prodigal Son he never lost his sonship. Don’t get me wrong he was eating with the pigs but I can’t find instructions in my Bible had to be born again again again all of our work is going to be tested by fire
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: KJB”
REPLY:
The prodigal son sure did lose his place for his sin and so shall we if we rebel.
He was lost again and needed to be restored…. notice that God did not go run after him and yet it was only as he returned/repented that God restored, forgive him…. if he didn’t return/repent he would have remained lost and perished in hell.
You posted this. Now watch this closely: “By which also ye are saved, IF IF IF (conditional) ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.” 1 Corinthians 15:2
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“So you don’t believe we are eternally secure?” Baptist pastor
REPLY:
Undeniably, un-conditional eternal security is the first lie Satan told to mankind which caused his fall – and he’s still telling the same lie (Gen 2:17; 3:4). Jesus taught “If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” (John 15:6). See also Ezek 33:12-13 and Matt 10:22; 24:13; 2 Pet 2:20-21; Heb 10:26-39, etc.).
“To hate is the world’s part, but to endure until the end is our key part who suffer for our Lord. To be hated is a key point to keep in mind of the world, but to endure is our key to succeed and to enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Daniel Kim
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“But aren’t we told by Jesus that no man can pluck us out of His hand?”
REPLY:
Yes Jesus told us in v27 of John 10 exactly who He was speaking to – those who present tense hear His voice and follow Him, presently:
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” John 10:27-29
In v27 Jesus gives the condition for the promise of verses 28-29.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Abide doesn’t mean continue in John 15:6.”
REPLY:
Apparently you are here seen to be choosing to peddle a lie – to cling to a diabolical tradition, heresy instead of conforming to the truth.
“If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6
Abide
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A primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy): – abide, CONTINUE, DWELL, ENDURE, be present, REMAIN, stand, tarry (for), X thine own.
Total KJV occurrences: 120
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Some shall depart from the faith (1 Timothy 4:1-2) – The Greek word here – ἀποστήσονται apostēsontai – is that from which we have derived the word “apostatize,” and would be properly so rendered here. The meaning is, that they would “apostatize” from the belief of the truths of the gospel. It does not mean that, as individuals, they would have been true Christians; but that there would be a departure from the great doctrines which constitute the Christian faith. The ways in which they would do this are immediately specified, showing what the apostle meant here by departing from the faith. They would give heed to seducing spirits, to the doctrines of devils, etc. The use of the word “some,” here τινες tines – does not imply that the number would be small. The meaning is, that “certain persons” would thus depart, or that “there would be” an apostasy of the kind here mentioned, in the last days. From the parallel passage in 2Th_2:3, it would seem that this was to be an extensive apostasy.”
REPLY:
Nonsense. How could they possible “depart FROM” something they weren’t already in? Impossible. Those who depart from “the doctrine of Christ” – that which Scripture reveals Him to be – do not have God! Nothing could be clearer. – “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in (does not remain in) the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.” 2 John 9 Un-conditional eternal security is a lie from hell.
You claim to be Christ’s yet you defy the Son of God you claim to serve for your foolish traditions and lies … like the hell bound pharisees of Christ’s day you refuse to ditch them for HIM at the hearing of HIS Word (Mark 7:6-9) – “If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6 Those who don’t remain in Christ after being saved are going to hell! Nothing could be more clear.
QUESTION ASKED:
“So you don’t believe you were chosen before the foundation …. that we are capable of raising ourselves from death to life?”
REPLY:
Hi. ALL men were chosen to be saved and only Christ can raise them from their dead state and yet, God did not foreordain that some go to hell BEFORE they could choose. God SOVEREIGNLY gave free will to all men. All of calvinism is false. It’s an extra-biblical system of theology that perverts the grace, divine character, and original Gospel message. Read Rom 2:11; 1 Tim 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9; 1 John 2:2 Calvinists are snakes who twist and pervert everything they touch to their own destruction. For example, they redefine the Bible word Sealed. The sealed scam exposed. Calvinism Busted
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
QUESTION ASKED:
“Brother Todd, there were good points made here.After listening to this debate, my question to you is much like Pastor Andrew’s question. At what sin does one lose their salvation? I mean we sin daily and what happens if we forget to repent of a particular sin?”
Are you going to listen to the LORD truly and let HIM answer that OR will you rebel and believe the doctrine of mere men and devils? That’s the big question.
Read Ezek 33:12-13 and Gal 5:19-21 and Rev 21:8; Ezek 18:30 and 2 Peter 2:20-21
Ever read the book of Hebrews – with a truly honest heart, dropping all preconceived notions?
The bigger question is: Is God Holy? Are the wages of sin still death?
Question Received:
“I think I’m FINALLY starting to understand how OSAS is heresy, but want to see if I do get it. So, it’s possible for someone who was once born again to go to hell?
A person is born again, and you can see the fruits. They change, the don’t desire worldly things, only Godly things. They are convicted of sin and repent. They pray, study the Bible, all the things born again believers do. Then, after some time, they slip away from that. They go back to old sins, and follow after fleshly lusts, but they still know it’s wrong. They start to realize they have drifted away, and start to come back around, but don’t repent of all sins (they don’t deny they are sinning or try defend it, but say they are struggling with it). They still say they love God, and will even continue to pray and study the Bible, and because they believe OSAS, they don’t realize that they are hell bound. Is that right?”
Reply:
Hi Misty, people who are truly born again which means their whole life is changed as the LORD makes them a new creature in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17-18) and then, “they are again entangled therein, and overcome” by the “pollutions of the world” and turn again to their own vomit. “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22 …. I highly recommend the book “Lie of the Ages” to answer so many questions from God’s Word that we all have ….. it comes in e-book or print.
Well, repentance is more than just confessing certain sins. It’s more of a turning back to the LORD. At that point He will quicken the confession of sins (1 John 1:9).
Question Received:
“What Verse can I show my cousin that I’m Not a legalist because I do not believe in the OSAS? She accuses me of being a legalist Pharisee because I do not believe in un-conditional eternal security.”
Reply:
That is a common objection from those who have bought the lie of OSAS. Nothing works better than lovingly quoting Scripture verbatim. Tell her that “obedience is not legalism.” The only Savior said “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21) Concentrate on the word “doeth” in matt 7:21 and also see Matthew 25:1-13. Then, break out 1 John 2:4 too and Titus 1:16 and James 1:22. Those verses of holy truth will stifle that lie she has been taught. God’s Word WILL have it’s effect (Isaiah 55:11).
To a man who called me an Arminian and insisted his battle was against Arminians, the following reply was given:
“Friend, when you truly come to Christ, you will cease laboring and being heavy laden, which is the fruit of all who follow a mere system of theology (of mere men) …. you will then cease warring against a certain sect you view as an enemy….. i have nothing to do with arminianism, have never studied it …. just Bible. No one who simply studies Scripture is going to come away with the 5 points of calvinism … it’s just not there.”
Message Received:
A guy who was attempting to defend OSAS as “a wonderful biblical truth,” and asserted that “The Devil is quite clever and subtle at attacking Biblical truths and has done so since the fall of man in the garden of Eden!”
Response:
The “Lie of the Ages” introduced to mankind in the Garden of creation is quite the opposite of what you assert. How did the enemy of all souls cause the fall of man? By telling man he must obey God? NO! Satan added just one 3-letter word to God’s Word and cause the fall of mankind. He is still deceiving many to add to what Holy Scripture clearly teaches. God kept His promises and severed the man and woman out of His holy presence when they sinned. See Gen. 2:17; 3:4.
***God has not changed and believers who make free choice to yield to sin against the God and Judge of our eternal souls who is “Holy, holy, holy,” will suffer separation. The wages of sin is STILL death and without personal holiness, NO MAN shall see the LORD (Rom. 6:23; Heb. 12:14). God requires that if we sin that we repent, returning to Him and confessing that sin (1 John 1:7, 9; Heb. 4:14-16). There is no such thing as a license for sin or “get out of hell free card.”
Moral cowards (“the fearful” Rev. 21:8) who refuse to fear God and deny self and take up the daily cross, love smooth little teachings that pretend to give them “assurance” while they are lukewarm, at ease in Zion, and simply indulging themselves in the love of this world, all of which are named as soul-damning sins (Amos 6:1; 1 Jn. 2:15-17; Rev. 3:15-16).
“The destination of unrepentant sinners is the lake of fire.” Steven Peisley
Message Received:
Arguing from an OSAS perspective, one man writes: “I really think Todd you appear to be misinterpreting the biblical truth that once God in His mercy and Grace saves you then surely it would be absolutely ludicrous to assume that you would be lost eternally!” …..
Response:
Where does the BIBLE (biblical truth) say that once God saves us that we can’t afterward be lost? Nowhere! In fact, believers (the saved) are warned over and over and over to remain/abide in Christ or be cast into the fires of hell (Jn. 15:1-6), to continue to the end in order to be saved (Matt. 10:22; 24:13; Heb. 3:6, 12-14), to make our calling and election sure (2 Pet. 1:10), to fear and obey God not self or sin (Rom. 6:16; 2 Cor. 7:1), to behold the goodness and severity of God or else be “cut off” from Him (Rom. 11:19-22), to not be lukewarm lest we be rejected/vomited from Him (Rev. 3:15-16), to not let the love of this world and sins of the flesh keep you from being ready to meet the LORD (1 Jn. 2:15-17; Lk. 21:34-36), etc., etc., etc.,…..
NO honest and true believer in Jesus Christ can read the following passages and still believe he is un-conditionally eternally secure:
“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22
“So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me…Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.” Ezekiel 33:7, 12-13
Explode the myth of ‘once saved always saved’ – read Romans 11:19-23 & Ezekiel 33:12-13; 2 Peter 2:20-22; Hebrews 2:1; 3:6, 12-14; 6:4-6; 10:26-39, etc.
Message Received in Response to an OSAS Expose’ Message:
“Excuse me? Making fun of eternal security are they? – those who follow Jesus have eternal security.” Susan
Reply:
Yes, Susan, as long as they are following/abiding/remaining in Christ, otherwise they will be “cut off” and “fall away” and ultimately cast into the fires of hell (John 15:1-6; Rom. 11:22; Lk. 8:13).
Question Received:
“Sanctification is important, but short of deliberately rejecting God, how exactly does one lose one’s salvation?” Andy
Reply:
Andy, such a question would seem to only be asked by a person who has been taught the false notion that once one is saved, they are eternally secure no matter what they do afterwards. No such myth was ever taught by Christ and His holy apostles. People want unconditional eternal security to be true because they simply do not want to take the personal responsibility to die to self, laying down their lives, which Jesus says is essential to following Him (Luke 9:23-24). Rejecting God happens very practically, when a person Christ has once saved, sets Christ aside in His daily life. Falling away has at this time occurred and it doesn’t take a blatant, verbalized, stomping off public rejection.
Message Received:
Well see, a broken promise is a lie and so it seems that it would a nail in the coffin of the deity of Christ. Now I am not a Calvinist so don’t jump that gun. I am merely saying that maybe Judas was never saved to begin with. That would mean that Jesus is not a liar, also that Judas was not saved. Two stones with one bird.
Reply:
The Bible says that Judas was Jesus’ “own familiar FRIEND.” (Ps. 41:9) Judas then fell by his “own transgression.” (Acts 1:25) God made many promises to Israel and individuals that He never fulfilled because promises are primarily conditional – based on the continued obedience of the one the promise was given to. Gal. 6:9; Heb. 6:10-12….. God promises Israel the promise land but only a few made it in (Num. 13-14; 1 Cor. 10:1-12). Many fell by the 5 sins He told us disqualifed them from the promise land and will disqualify us. There are many, many examples of this throughout Scripture. The book of Jude recounts several of God’s beings who fell or apostatized – departed from Him after being with Him in relationship.
***Notice how those who defend this evil theology which makes God out to be an evil, hateful, respecter of persons are not defending Christ in the true Gospel but rather whining about anyone who would dare tamper with their little pet heretical system of falsehood (calvinism)…. this reveals that they are not saved. Following a man or the teachings of mere sinful men reveals that one doesn’t know Him just as the pharisees didn’t know Jesus (Matt. 21:31; Mark 7:6-9; John 5:39-40; 8:47).
More on Judas here – Calvinist Nightmare: The Judas Dilemma
E-MAIL RESPONSE FROM READER:
Re: IS YOUR SIN REALLY WORTH GOING TO HELL FOR?
“Amen, Amen, Amen! I believe that the OSAS doctrine is what is spoken about in Jude 1:4 – That there will be those who change the grace of God into lasciviousness. In every institution I attended that taught this doctrine of devils, the people lived like heathens. John Calvin died an unrepentant murderer….enough said! Now all you proud Calvinist keep all your well trained arguments I don’t buy it anymore. Signed former Calvinist.”
E-MAIL RESPONSE FROM READER:
“You teach that a person can be right with GOD only by their obedience to the commands of GOD. You teach that a person once saved can be lost. You quote verse after verse after verse to prove that a person must obey the commands of GOD to be right with GOD. Are you equating being right with GOD and being saved? Is there no room for sin in GOD’s salvation? If there is no room for sin in GOD’s salvation I am eternally lost and without hope. I am glad there are teachers who see GOD’s salvation differently. Captured by HIS grace, Gene”
RESPONSE:
“Beloved Gene, I want to encourage you to look to the Teacher who gave us His holy Word so we don’t have to depend on sinful men (like myself), but rather have His truth for our own selves. A life in the Word is the only cure for confusion. “GREAT PEACE have they that love thy law (Word) and nothing shall offend them.” (Ps. 119:165) Jesus told us that only those who DO the will of His Father will be in Heaven – Matt 7:21. We are only saved by the grace of God and yet that grace shows up in the way we live if we really possess it, otherwise we are deceived and headed for damnation. Salvation simply is not an unforfeitable possession (2 Pet. 2:20-22; Ezek. 33:12-13). Did the Almighty somehow cease to be “holy, holy, holy” now that He saved us!? How blind and arrogant we have become! Now is it loving to hide this Bible truth or to unveil and communicate it so people can be warned and take shelter under the shadow of His holy wing? Truth protects (Prov. 30:5). “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, TEACHING US that, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY LUSTS, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, IN THIS PRESENT WORLD.” (Titus 2:11-12) The numerous Bible verses which show sin defiles and will damn the soul if not repented of in the life of a person who has once believed should deeply move us to the fear of God and not to argue with the One we claim to be serving who gave us these truths. “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (1 Pet. 4:18) Be warned: “He that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.” (Ezek 33:5) Jesus warned us all: “And take heed to yourselves (personal responsibility), lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and [so] that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” Luke 21:34-36 Ready or Not – Jesus is coming, and He’s only going to justify those who are looking for Him in the way they live by purifying their hearts by authentic, saving faith (Heb. 9:27-28; Acts 15:9; 1 John 3:1-3; Rev. 2-3, etc.). This important subject is thoroughly addressed in the book titled “Lie of the Ages.” God’s blessings in Jesus, the Truth, todd”
E-MAIL RESPONSE FROM READER:
“Now what you are saying is, ‘if I keep all these rules you have stated, and all the other commands found in the Bible then I will be right with God.’ If I can do that then why do I need Jesus? If I can keep all these commandments and be right before God, or Righteous then I don’t need a redeemer and Jesus’ dying on the cross was in vain. God murdered His Son for nothing, if my righteousness is based on my performance. O foolish Galatians…This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? ‘For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.’ So, Is Salvation by works, or by faith? Is a work begun in faith made perfect by the works of the flesh? And if one must be Born Again according to Jesus Christ in order to see the kingdom of God, how does one become un-born again? Does God practice spiritual abortions? We are justified in Christ Jesus because of HIS finished work of salvation and we are declared righteous by God by grace through faith in Christ alone. We are saved unto good works, not by good works.”
RESPONSE:
“Saving grace always produces good fruit and good works and is proof one is saved – BUT good works and good fruit save no one – only Jesus can do that. See Matthew 3:7-10; Jude 3-4 and Titus 2:11-12. You have correctly stated that “We are justified in Christ Jesus” and yet we must remain “in Christ” to continue to be justified (Jn. 15:6; Col. 1:23; Heb. 2:1-3; 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Jn. 9, etc.). We are only saved by His grace and our faith is required to (Eph. 2:8-10). You stated “We are saved unto good works, not by good works.” This is truth and yet those who are truly saved have the fruit of such grace (Tit. 2:11-12). The “fruits” of their lives testify to their possession of His saving grace (Matt. 7:16, 19-20). The Son of God told us that those who do not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown out of His vineyard – “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matt. 7:19) Those who truly have His justifying grace are His workmanship and do not have a license for living in sin (Eph. 2:8-10; Jude 3-4). His grace actually enables them to overcome sin and to live fully pleasing to Him – To those who truly possess it, His saving grace is “Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.” They are given over to Him and He is fashioning them into His own image (Rom. 8:29). If not, one does not possess the divine, saving grace (Tit. 2:11-12). We must not reason instead of being honest about the Word of the God. We must refuse self-willed arguments are human reasonings and pandering to the flesh, to justify living this life as we wish instead of how God has commanded. The Bible tells us we are not our own if we have been bought by the blood of the LORD Jesus (1 Cor. 6:19-20). If we live as WE wish instead of how the LORD commanded us to, we are lawless and will be found on that Day to be “workers of iniquity (lawlessness) and cast into eternal damnation with no 2nd chance (Matt. 7:21-23). So, those who justify themselves through human philosphy and tradition of calvinism have been spoiled or ruined and are in big trouble (Col. 2:8). Jesus and His apostles told us that sin “defiles” men and even named those sins which defile out of His love for us – so we would specifically know what offends His holiness (Matt. 15:19-20). He has disclosed to us His holy will in intricate detail and we are therefore without excuse and will be without excuse on that Great and Terrible Day of Judgment that hastens toward us. Does sin separate us from the one, true holy God? (Isa. 59:2; Rom. 6:23; Acts 1:25; Gal. 5:17-19; 1 Cor. 6:9-10; Rev. 21:8, 27) Jesus is Coming, todd www.SafeGuardYourSoul.com
E-MAIL RESPONSE FROM READER:
“Now what you are saying is, ‘if I keep all these rules you have stated, and all the other commands found in the Bible then I will be right with God.’ If I can do that then why do I need Jesus? If I can keep all these commandments and be right before God, or Righteous then I don’t need a redeemer and Jesus’ dying on the cross was in vain. God murdered His Son for nothing, if my righteousness is based on my performance. O foolish Galatians…This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? ‘For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.’ So, Is Salvation by works, or by faith? Is a work begun in faith made perfect by the works of the flesh? And if one must be Born Again according to Jesus Christ in order to see the kingdom of God, how does one become un-born again? Does God practice spiritual abortions? We are justified in Christ Jesus because of HIS finished work of salvation and we are declared righteous by God by grace through faith in Christ alone. We are saved unto good works, not by good works.”
RESPONSE:
“You have correctly stated that “We are justified in Christ Jesus” and yet we must remain “in Christ” to continue to be justified (Jn. 15:6; Col. 1:23; Heb. 2:1-3; 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Jn. 9, etc.). We are only saved by His grace and our faith is required to (Eph. 2:8-10). You stated “We are saved unto good works, not by good works.” This is truth and yet those who are truly saved have the fruit of such grace (Tit. 2:11-12). The “fruits” of their lives testify to their possession of His saving grace (Matt. 7:16, 19-20). The Son of God told us that those who do not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown out of His vineyard – “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matt. 7:19) Those who truly have His justifying grace are His workmanship and do not have a license for living in sin (Eph. 2:8-10; Jude 3-4). His grace actually enables them to overcome sin and to live fully pleasing to Him – To those who truly possess it, His saving grace is “Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.” They are given over to Him and He is fashioning them into His own image (Rom. 8:29). If not, one does not possess the divine, saving grace (Tit. 2:11-12). We must not reason instead of being honest about the Word of the God. We must refuse self-willed arguments are human reasonings and pandering to the flesh, to justify living this life as we wish instead of how God has commanded. The Bible tells us we are not our own if we have been bought by the blood of the LORD Jesus (1 Cor. 6:19-20). If we live as WE wish instead of how the LORD commanded us to, we are lawless and will be found on that Day to be “workers of iniquity (lawlessness) and cast into eternal damnation with no 2nd chance (Matt. 7:21-23). So, those who justify themselves through human philosophy and tradition of calvinism have been spoiled or ruined and are in big trouble (Col. 2:8). Jesus and His apostles told us that sin “defiles” men and even named those sins which defile out of His love for us – so we would specifically know what offends His holiness (Matt. 15:19-20). He has disclosed to us His holy will in intricate detail and we are therefore without excuse and will be without excuse on that Great and Terrible Day of Judgment that hastens toward us. Does sin separate us from the one, true holy God? (Isa. 59:2; Rom. 6:23; Acts 1:25; Gal. 5:17-19; 1 Cor. 6:9-10; Rev. 21:8, 27) Jesus is Coming, todd www.SafeGuardYourSoul.com
RESPONDER:
“Answer the following: Given: in order to be saved, you must be Born Again (John 3:3, 7; 1 Peter 1:23). Given: when you are Born Again you are a Child of God (John 1:12; Romans 8:13-20; Philippians 2:15; 1 john 3:1-3). We are in fact adopted sons (Romans 8:15, 23; 9:4; Galatians 4:5; and Ephesians 1:5) and adoption is a binding legal term that even in our society is more protected than blood kinship (i.e. a blood line child can be written out of a will whereas an adopted child is required to receive the full child’s portion). How then can one who is a saved, Born Again, Child of God lose their heirship? How can one who is a saved, Born Again, Child of God lose their sonship? Even in the deepest, darkest, and most rebellious time in the prodigal son’s life he was still his father’s son. (Now if you read into that statement that I am saying eternal salvation is a license to sin, the Lord rebuke you, for I have said no such thing.) But answer, how can one who is as son un-become a son? Try as I may I am still my parent’s son. As a son I am to honor my parents. (Exodus 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:16; Matthew 15:4, 19:19; Mark 7:10, 10:19; Luke 18:20; Ephesians 6:2 ) As an adopted son of God I am likewise to honour my Father which is in Heaven. I am to be holy as He is holy. Now, please answer my question. How can I stop being My heavenly Father’s son?”
REPLY TO OSAS RESPONDER:
Thank you for writing. You are using adoption and how it is used among men to justify an unbiblical teaching. I sincerely appreciate your desire to know the truth as it sounds. Yet you ask questions based on human logic and use very little Scripture. You ask: “How then can one who is a saved, Born Again, Child of God lose their heirship? How can one who is a saved, Born Again, Child of God lose their sonship?” Want God’s answer? Romans 11:20-22 says “Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches (covenant Israel), take heed lest he also spare not thee (saved Gentiles). 22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity (eternal judgment); but toward thee, goodness, IF IF IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be CUT OFF.” Of his very own free will, the prodigal son was separated from his father yet not from His father’s love (Lk. 15). When in rebellion the prodigal son was not secure in his father’s care – he was not eternally secure. He had to repent to be restored or he would have died outside of fellowship with his father. This is a clear picture of the believer departing from the LORD. If he returns in repentance he will be fully restored, but if he refuses to return, he will perish in hell forever. “For this my son was dead, and is alive AGAIN; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry…for this thy brother was dead, and is alive AGAIN; and was lost, and is found.” Luke 15:24, 32 A “Jesus” who doesn’t punish sin is simply a false Christ. The son who left his father stopped believing. One may argue that he was still a son, but another may rightfully argue that he lost all of the benefits of being a son while he was in unbelief and would have perished if he had not returned to his father. No person can come to the conclusion of an unconditional eternal security by reading the Bible alone and deriving his doctrinal belief solely from the Word. One must be taught such be mere men. OSAS is a doctrine of devils, leading many to perdition who believe they are eternally secure (Jude 3-4). I want to recommend the new book titled “Lie of the Ages” which is now in print and thoroughly addresses this topic from Holy Scripture. Also, we have some articles on the site concerning this important subject.
RESPONDER:
Sir, in your rush to prove your doctrine you missed the entire point. No, I was not using adoption to to justify an unbiblical point. Adoption is very biblical and you blew it off as trivial in order to justify your “WORKS” doctrine. If you look there is an abundance of Scripture in my previous post that is in context as well. However, You never answered the question. Israel was a chosen people that God has set aside until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in (Romans 11:25b), He is not finished with them yet. I am talking about a Born Again child of God. You look on God as standing over you waiting to kick you out of the house the moment you mess-up. I see Him as my Father who is grieved when I sin but who put up a calf to fatten it for a feast awaiting my return. I am talking as one who was dead and is now alive unto Christ. I’m not talking about a Sunday Church goer, I’m talking about a Redeemed, Born Again, heir and joint heir with Christ. Show me in the Scriptures where a son is cut off from the Father. Now, lest I be accused of advocating “license to sin”; as the one who has been redeemed I serve my Redeemer, my Saviour out of love and gratitude for what He redeemed me from and what He bestowed on me when He bought me.(Romans 12:1-21) I grow and mature just as a child grows and matures. As I walk and grow I surrender more and more of my life to Him, and I become more aware of sin in my life and I am responsible to confess and forsake that sin.(Sanctification) Alas, I shall never convince you of your eternal position in Christ Jesus. I do grieve that you use your bully pulpit to attack those of us who hold to the biblical doctrine of Eternal Salvation.
RESPONSE:
Why would the apostle Paul use the covenant relationship between the LORD and Israel as an exampleand warning to the SAVED Gentiles (us)if such were not applicable? Ludicrous thought! You state “I am talking as one who was dead and is now alive unto Christ. I’m not talking about a Sunday Church goer, I’m talking about a Redeemed, Born Again, heir and joint heir with Christ.” Where did you get these very terms? From Romans – to the VERY EXACT heirs of salvation the Holy Spirit is warning to “Fear” lest they be “cut off” also as the covenant Jews were (Rom. 11:19-23) You asked “Show me in the Scriptures where a son is cut off from the Father.” Ready? Here we go – “For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry…It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive AGAIN; and was lost, and is found.” Luke 15:24, 32
The son who left his father stopped believing and being in his father’s care. One may argue that he was still a son, but another may rightfully argue that he lost all of the benefits of being a son while he was in unbelief and would have perished if he had not returned to his father.
Please look at the above Bible text again and note some basic things that are irrefutable:
1) “my son” – sonship a relational term (represents a saved person; a person who has a father / son relationship with the heavenly Father)
2) “was dead” – as Jude speaks of, a person can be “twice dead, plucked up by the roots” (Jude 12) “Twice dead” simply refers to the apostate person who was initial born dead in sin then got saved and fell away “again.” How could a person be “plucked up by the roots” from a place he wasn’t already planted? Impossible.
3) “alive AGAIN” – need we explain that again means for a second time?
4) “my son…was lost” – after being a son of his father, he become lost again
5) “thy brother” – yet another clear reference to familial relationship – sonship. One could not possibly be a “brother” to another if he is not first a son to the same father. Yes we have “Eternal salvation” and yet such is only promised to those who “obey Him.” Heb. 5:9 says “And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all THEM THAT OBEY HIM.” This is consistent with Christ’s words in Matt. 7:21 – “1Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Jesus is Coming – Ready or Not!
For a thorough study of the eternal security question, see book titled Lie of the Ages.
“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable.’ This teaching magnifies the ‘verilies,’ but discounts the ‘ifs’; yet both are given by God and are equally inspired. Conditions of salvation and conditions of keeping are not named in every Scripture. Scriptures of warning are addressed to such believers as may be careless, indifferent, trifling, boastful, or presumptuous. The usual group of Scriptures quoted by the eternal security believers are the kind that are needed to encourage and sustain the fearful, trembling, and weak saints who earnestly desire to do the will of their Lord, but are harassed by the devil and beset with doubts. ‘Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be destroyed,’ was a ‘verily’ as far as the statement was concerned, but there was an ‘if’ implied in one of the promises of God. (See Jer. 18:1-12.) Such Scriptures as John. 10:27, 28; Col. 3:1-3; John.3:36; 5:24; Jude 24; Rom. 8:34-39; Heb. 7:25, and a lot of others that might be given are precious to every believer. They make it clear that we are safe in Christ Jesus. No outside power or influence, neither men, angels, nor devils, can come between us and our Lord; but there are conditions of salvation and there are conditions that govern our keeping. We do not question God’s sovereignty, His power, His omnipotence; we believe and hold to all of them. On the other hand as honest people, we dare not close our eyes to the fact that God has laid a responsibility upon free moral agents that He does not violate by His sovereignty, His omnipotence, His election, or any other office or attribute belonging to Deity. The condition that saves is the same condition that keeps. Eternal security believers constantly underscore ‘hath’ in John 5:24 but overlook the condition, “believeth.” They will take John. 10:27-29 and underscore the ‘never perish’ and ‘no man is able to pluck them out of my hand,’ but ignore the fact that this promise is made to the ‘sheep that hear his voice and follow him.’ As long as this condition continues, the keeping continues. No other interpretation is consistent with free moral agency.” J.L. Stauffer
‘Once saved always saved’ is a mere cliche’ and no where to be found in God’s Word in word nor in concept. Friend, you reveal here that you do not personally know the Scriptures and yet you have drawn conclusion on this matter based upon the teachings of the mere men you have listened to. One cannot find unconditional eternal security in the Bible, it’s simple not there. Sin disqualifies the person from Heaven unless he repents and receives forgiveness through the blood of the LAMB – “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death…And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” Revelation 21:8,27 Anybody want to argue with the LORD Almighty? I don’t and won’t.
The Message of Jesus Christ: “And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 10:22 Here Jesus Christ, the Almighty God, tells His own twelve that those who persevere to the end of their lives remaining and continuing in obedience to Him “shall be saved.” Notice here in Matthew 10, the utter difference between what Jesus told His disciples and what so many leaders today tell the people. First, realize that Christ hand picked these twelve. There is the complete absence here of words like: “You are eternally secure” “God is not an Indian giver” “No matter what you do, you are sure for Heaven” “You are guaranteed Heaven because God is not an Indian giver” “It’s eternal life not temporary life” “Jesus is the good Shepherd, how could Jesus ever lose a sheep?” “You can’t obtain salvation by works, so you can’t loose it by bad works (sinning), it doesn’t matter what you do, you still have it.”
Salvation was paid for by Jesus “once” on the cross 2,000 yrs ago (Jn. 19:30; Heb. 10:12). The way that applies to the individual’s life is different. He must get in and remain in the will of God by repentance and faith in Christ alone (Acts 20:21, etc.). Peter was re-saved or re-converted (Lk. 22:31-32). James 5:19-20 speaks of re-saving a brother who errs into sin from spiritual death (James 5:19-20)
You said there were no Scripture in part I? I count 9 whole verses. Need a calculator? Numbers don’t lie. Do you really believe God at His Word? “Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.” Ezekiel 33:12-13
It is interesting to note that no one here is yet speaking of the holiness of God. Forget the “sovereignty of God” as you put it, what about the holiness of God? The word “holy” and “holiness” appear 595 times in the Bible. The word “soveriegn” or “sovereignty” appear 0 times in the Bible. So in using this term and making far too much of an emphasis on it, we see that many are perverting the nature of the Almighty. We are to take Him at His Word which speaks of His holiness nearly 600 times and never once mentioned His sovereignty as you do. “But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Pet. 1:15-16 If any person (whether previously saved or not) dies outside of a holy relationship with the one true holy God, hell awaits (Gal. 5:19-21; Heb. 12:14; Rev. 21:8,27).
Ever read the book of Jude? It’s primary subject is apostates and apostasy. How can one leave or apostasize from something he never previously possessed?
Got any Scripture? Or are you living off cliches (like OSAS) and human philosophy propatated by false teachers? Divine authority is invested in the Scriptures of the Prophets, Apostles and the LORD Himself (2 Tim. 3:15-17). “But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, IF IF IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end…Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Heb. 3:6,12-14)
Still see no Scripture. You have fashioned a god in your image – one who allows for things that the one true God tells us He doesn’t and won’t. “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.” Ezek. 18:30
“Sealed” does not mean indelibly. You are reading into things. Jesus’ tomb was sealed (Matt. 27:66) but we all know it didn’t stay that way 😉 By the way the same Greek word is used as in Eph. 4:30 and 1:13. WHAT ABOUT JUDAS? https://safeguardyoursoul.com//html/what_about_judas.html
Have you ever read John 10:27 to see exactly who Jesus promised eternal life to and the associated assurance? He gave a qualification or two which are ongoing. Repentance and faith are necessary to receive initial salvation and also ongoing requirements (Lk. 13:3,5; Rom. 5:1-2; 1 John 1:7; Col. 1:23; Heb. 3:6; 6:12-15; 10:26-39).Jesus’ promise was conditional upon the one who has received the gift after repenting. He must remain or “abide” in Christ or he will be burned (Jn. 15:6) “If a man abide (remain) not in me, HE is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire (hell), and they are burned.” (Jn. 15:6)
The term “sins that are passed” appears in Romans 3:25. Nothing is said in Scripture to gaurantee that ALL FUTURE sins in the individuals life are going to be automatically forgiven and overlooked by the LORD. That is a deception, a lie of Satan. There is an ongoing condition to meet for the believer (one who is currently believing) to obtain forgiveness – “IF IF IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
WHO DID JESUS SAY IS SECURE? JOHN 10:27-29 “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” John 10:27-29 First off Jesus identifies those sheep whom He makes the security promise to. He says “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” In this we see one part divine and two parts the responsibility of the individual. “I know them” – the divine part (v27) Those who are His sheep “hear” His “voice” and “follow” Him – the individual’s responsibility (v27) Those who seek to spread the ‘once saved always saved’ heresy use John 10:28-29 to their advantage and conveniently ignore the preceding words of Christ in verse 27. Verses 28-29 are promises of security to those who are currently hearing His voice and following Him. Many ignore the previous qualifying words (v27) of Jesus where Christ tells us that only those who are hearing His voice and following Him are promised that they are secure and will never perish. There is a condition to being secure in Christ – knowing Him – which requires continuing to abide in Him, hear His voice and follow Him (see also John 15). In this John 10 passage used by the unconditional eternal security crew to peddle their wares, some neglect to look closely at verse 27 to see who Jesus was specifically speaking to when He promised “they shall never perish.” “They” refers to those who “hear my voice” and “follow me.” According to verse 27 the promise of eternal security is conditional. Assurance of salvation is only to those who are presently following Christ. In verse 27 we learn that protection from judgment to come is only to those who are currently 1) hearing His voice, 2) known by Him, and 3) following Him. This is consistent with the message seen in the whole of Holy Writ. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” John 10:27 According to these words of Christ, those who “know” Jesus and “follow” Him are given the promise that they will “never perish.” As long as the follower hears His voice and follows Him, they are assured “eternal life.”
Christ said that “He that endureth to the end shall be saved”….so the security promise is only to those who die in faith and not just those who have initial faith and then “fall away.” (Matt. 10:22; Lk. 8:13). We are commanded to fear God and behold His holiness and “severity.” (Matt. 10:28; Rom. 11:22) His judgment will be sincere upon all who die in sin – regardless of their past relationship with Him. “For IF AFTER they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been BETTER for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” 2 Pet. 2:20-21
Jesus gave 4 types of heart soil the Word falls on not 3. See Luke 8:12-15. The 2nd type person is one who believes for a while then “falls away.” The Son of God invented the term “fall away” so obviously such is possible. “They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” Luke 8:12
Jesus gave 4 types of heart soil the Word falls on not 3. See Luke 8:12-15. The 2nd type person is one who believes for a while then “falls away.” The Son of God invented the term “fall away” sp obviously such is possible. “They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” Luke 8:12
Nevermind the human reasoning as to how the LORD views us. I suggest you read the Word of God closely and witness how many times we are warned to remain or abide in faith and obedience to Christ. According to the New Testament, saving faith can be: ”Cast off”: “But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.” 1 Timothy 5:11-12 ”Put away” and “Made shipwreck”: “Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:” 1 Timothy 1:19 ”Denied”: “I know thy works and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.” Revelation 2:13 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” 1 Timothy 5:8 ”Departed from”: “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;” 1 Timothy 4:1 ”Failed”: “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not (if this were not possible, why would Jesus have prayed?): and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” Luke 22:32 ”Overthrown”: “Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.” 2 Timothy 2:18 ”Erred from”: “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” 1Timothy6:10 “Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.” 1 Timothy 6:21 Fallen Away from: One can “Fall away” from his believing/saving faith: “They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” Luke 8:13
The “elect” are simply those who elect to be saved and continue to the end and not some special elite group as john calvin (major league heretic) taught (John 1:12; Matt. 10:22). See Rev. 17:14 to find out who is going to be in Heaven – being “faithful” is a requirement.
Jesus said that there are those who BELIEVE for awhile and in time of temptation “FALL AWAY.” (Luke 8:13) Wanna argue with the Almighty? How many virgins were likened to the kingdom of HEAVEN (not hell)? Go see what Christ told us in Matt. 25:1-13. Only 5 of the 10 made it. Warning! Beware! If one is living in sin instead of faith, he has no eternal security promise from God. If so, why so many warnings in Scripture? Dare we call the Son of God a lunatic? “Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.” 2 Pet. 3:17
Clever approach but not biblical. Salvation is obtained initially and maintained by faith (includes a repented life). There is no promise of Heaven outside of getting and staying washed in the holy blood of Christ…”But IF IF IF IF IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) Jesus told each of the 7 churches of Asia he addressed in Revelation 2-3 that only those who overcome would be with Him in Heaven. All divine promised are conditional (not unconditional) upon the initial and ongoing trust (which will always yield obedience) of the recipient. “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD.” Heb. 12:14 Unholy people in God’s holy Heaven? Not a chance. Rev. 21:8,27
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3-4
There is a responsibility on the part of the individual to either receive or reject God’s salvation through Jesus Christ. “As many as recieved him to THEM gave he the right to become the sons of God.” John 1:12…with care and concern i would say that it sounds like you have been misled by john calvin’s heresies friend.”
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The Cross Imperative [podcast]
The cross is not about self effort but rather self denial.
“He must increase, but I must decrease.” John 3:30
Dear LORD Jesus, please take all of me. Have Your way in this life.
“not my will, but thine, be done.” Luke 22:42
The cross, the blood of Christ’s cross is what He commanded we take up daily in order to follow Him (Colossians 1:20; Luke 9:23-24). The divine economy is a cross economy and that is the only way one can truly walk with the LORD, pleasing Him in all things. Pouring over the words of 2 Corinthians 4:10-12 is an imperative. Also reading Romans 6 each morning this week, prayerfully. Memorize Galatians 2:20; 5:24; 6:14. John 3:30 and Colossians 3:3.
You have to die if Jesus is going to reign in your life (Romans 6).
Most men pretending to represent Christ are so busy telling people how wonderful they are that they don’t have time to preach that Jesus is the only “Wonderful” One and that we are “desperately wicked” without Christ (Isaiah 9:6; Jeremiah 9:17; John 15:5; Romans 3; 7:17, 24, etc.). The few true servants of Christ are known in that they preach the original Gospel of Christ which begins with us repenting, believing upon Christ, and then abiding, remaining in Him by denying self, taking up the cross daily and following the King (Luke 9:23-24; 13:3; John 15, etc).
Remember how Saul served God partially, didn’t count Him important enough to meticulously do His will, exactly how the LORD instructed him? Read 1 Samuel 15. Saul is ousted and so shall every half-baked fake “Christian” who makes excuses for their sins of ommission and commission – because they have not truly repented, flattened themselves before the Almighty. As was the case with Saul, so shall the LORD declare to all rebels – “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” and Hell awaits (Matthew 25:41).
“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:33
Anyone who is not walking the way Christ mandated, the crucified life, is in rebellion.
“And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.” 1 Samuel 15:22-23
Saul partially obeyed God and the LORD calls this unrepentant fake offering rebellion, sin, witchcraft, stubborness, iniquity, idolatry. Like Cain, Saul and his half truth partial offering to God were rejected.
Jesus says that to follow Him….
“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.” Luke 9:23-24
Christ mandates your death and His reigning life in you.
“For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.” Colossians 3:3
“Until I embraced the cross, I had no lasting victory! No seed-bearing fruit, like clouds without rain, all promise but dry bones within. Christ will only indwell a vessel emptied of self and only he can give complete salvation to overcome all sin to be enjoyed at the marriage supper of the LAMB. Til then we press in abiding in Jesus, so that he may work in us his great salvation. (John 15; Rom 6; Php. 2; Col. 3; etc.) I die -> He raises me up.” Jon Crane
It seems that some among us have more faith, more confidence in themselves sinning than they do in God being able to forgive and establish them in His righteousness to overcome all sin. Jesus asks, “WHERE is your faith?” (Luke 8:25). It’s time to re-turn to the LORD, afresh, and to learn to apply the cross.
“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” Galatians 2:20
Recently I saw a clip of a pastor saying that the #1 reason God hates sin is because He loves us and sin separates us from Him. While these things are true, what is missing?
Of holiness, one writer profoundly notes:
“Holiness speaks more to nature than it does conduct. Good conduct is the spontaneous byproduct of the new nature of the new creation man through the cross and death to the old nature. We are new creatures in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17-18). To preach holiness as conduct without the new nature through the cross understanding is legalism. Holiness is actually derived from ‘wholeness’ meaning the thorough transformation of the whole tripartite man (1 Thess. 5:23). So many of these ‘holiness’ preachers are preaching nothing but conduct under law. Law arouses sinful passions and causes sin to increase and was given in order to provoke transgressions (Rom. 7:5; 5:20; Gal. 3:20). They are enemies of the cross!”
#1 reason God hates sin – is not because He loves you…. it’s Because He is holy! (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; 1 Peter 1:15-16). And yes He loves His people also. It’s time to let Jesus reign in all things and cease making everything about us. HE is first.
“In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. … We love him, because he first loved us.” 1 John 4:9-10, 19
Does sin separate one – anyone – from God? Yes. Did God cease to be holy? No.
“Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2 But YOUR INIQUITIES HAVE SEPARATED BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR GOD, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.” Isaiah 59:1-2
“Death” means separation.
“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:22-23
How do we know if we or others are truly “Christ’s”?
“And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” Galatians 5:24
Interesting how we never hear verses, divine mandates – essentials, imperatives – such as the scriptural truth below:
“Awake to righteousness, and sin NOT…” 1 Corinthians 15:34
There are a few ministries which declare “stop all sinning,” etc.. Yet how?
How can we possibly preach holiness, something nearly no pastor does today…. and not be preaching the cross, the crucified life as the only answer?
Yes God mandates, requires, and fully expects each of His people to “Be ye holy; for I am holy” (1 Peter 1:15-16). Again, how? The crucified life.
The cross and nothing else is the LORD’s solution to overcoming sin. It’s only when God Himself is raising us upward out of the state of death and burial that victory is transpiring in our lives. Saying we are sinless perfection, praying, reading the Bible, going to church, or fellowshipping with other saints, etc. is not the answer. These are all important and yet the cross is the answer to being right with our God. Nothing else is the answer, nothing is the remedy for sin but the cross of Christ and the one He commanded us to take up (Matthew 16:24-25). There is no other divine prescription for victory over sin but the cross. | Sinless Perfectionism Rebuked
Any man pretending to be a representative of Christ and not regularly preaching the crucified life, is a false teacher (Philippians 3:18-19; Galatians 2:20; 5:24; 6:14, etc.). Such a man is not teaching the original Gospel and so is teaching “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6-9).
Make Romans 6 your spiritual meat each morning this week. Read it prayerfully, asking God to teach you His ways.
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.” Romans 6:3-4
YOUR PRAYER: Holy Father, I here and now repent of my wicked sin, my rebellion, my unbelief, not trusting You, self-idolatry, and spiritual adultery. Please wash and cleanse me now dear LORD. Fill me with Your Holy Ghost and use me Jesus in this last hour. In Jesus’ name, amen.
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Overcoming the Antichrists Among You [podcast]
Anti as in antichrist means in place of: It’s the “spirit of antichrist” working through Satan’s false ministers that robs the glory from Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 11:12-15; Colossians 1:18; 2:8-10, 18-19; 1 John 4:1-3, etc.).
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” 1 John 2:18
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” 1 John 2:22
“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” 1 John 4:3
“Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.” 1 John 2:18-19
anti – a. Against, opposed to. b. Before, predating. c. Usurping, in place of.
“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” 2 John 1:7
We know when “that spirit of antichrist” is working through a rebel when he speaks contrary to God’s Word (John 8:47; 1 John 4:3). “That spirit of antichrist” – anti (in place of) Christ is anything that contradicts His what God’s Word says, working to subvert divinely stated truth while posing as Christ’s minister (2 Corinthians 11:12-15).
OBSERVATION: Jesus, the prophets, and Christ’s apostles never sought to change or reform the false leaders. They rebuked and exposed them and went about the Father’s kingdom business. See Jeremiah 23; Ezekiel 34; Matthew 15:14; 23; Acts; 2 Peter 2; Jude 1. There was the hope of the false leader repenting yet only after being rebuked (Titus 1:13).
It’s a futile endeavor, a waste of the precious resources of our time and energy.
“Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” Matthew 15:14
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Calvinism Demolished [podcast]
Calvinists Define their Un-biblical, Extra-biblical Belief System with the Acrostic TULIP:
T – Total Depravity
U – Unconditional Election
L – Limited Atonement
I – Irresistible Grace
P – Perseverance of the Saints
Romans 2:11 and 1 John 2:2 immediately prove that all of Calvinism is demonic heresy. ANY fraud who is teaching calvinism is “accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9)
Calvinists falsely teach that Jesus only died for a certain elect few people. But God’s Word says – “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)
The Calvinist’s nightmare Bible verse is 1 John 2:2. I’ve literally seen devils/demons manifest when quoting this Scripture verse to calvinists. “Doctrines of devils” such as calvinism come from “seducing spirits.” (1 Timothy 4:1-2)
John Calvin was a demon-possessed philosopher who wrote volumes of heresy with little Scripture. He lives today through his writings and tells gullible men what the Bible says. They’d rather read Calvin’s doctrines of devils which contradict Scripture rather than seek the LORD for themselves in His Word, allowing the Almighty to speak for Himself (2 Timothy 2:15; 3:15-17). As an example of his bearing false witness against the LORD, John Calvin wrote:
“…salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5)
Make no mistake, the words above are the words of a demon, a devil, Satan. Jesus says Satan has come “to steal, to kill, and to destroy” but that He, our Savior Jesus, came “that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” (John 10:10) Satan seeks to steal the hope and the eternal souls of as many as who would believe his lies.
Heretics act as if they can skip over and ignore volumes of Bible verses that contradict OSAS and Calvinism and not have to give account to God in the end. Delusional (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12).
Calvinism is demonic and so is the heresy of eternal security.
Calvinism teaches that God wills, has foreordained to damn individuals. John Calvin taught that the fall of man was God’s will.
“I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam’s children have fallen by God’s will.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4)
To the contrary, God says sin is man’s fault, not His:
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” James 1:13-15
“With Augustine (a roman catholic heretic!) I say: the Lord has created those whom he unquestionably foreknew would go to destruction. This has happened because he has willed.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 5)
To the contrary, Jesus told us that it is SATAN who has come “to steal, to kill, and to destroy” and that Jesus came to give us “life…more abundantly” and “that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (John 10:10; 1 John 3:8).
“The thief (Satan) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” John 10:10
“I HATE this false teaching! What would God be ‘longsuffering’ for if people were created for demise.” Antonio O’Neal
Notice what the Holy Spirit told us through the apostle John:
“He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” 1 John 3:8
That verse didn’t say that Satan made anyone sin nor that God ordained it. Clearly inferred is that man chooses to sin – “He that committeth sin.” Because some men choose to live in sin instead of for the LORD, they are “of the devil.” ….. “the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
Jesus taught that “MEN loved darkness rather than light, because THEIR (own) deeds were evil (not His!).” (John 3:19-21)
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” John 3:19
Calvinists blasphemously attribute evil and sin to the LORD who is “Holy, holy, holy.” (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8) They love to use Isaiah 45:7 out of context.
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” Isaiah 45:7
God only creates evil if you will in the sense that HE allows all to choose good or evil, darkness or light (John 3:19-21). This can be in the same sense as He spoke of in Deuteronomy 30:19-20 where He told His people that He sets before them “life and death, blessing and cursing.”
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:” Deuteronomy 30:19
Typically, calvinists purposely refuse to look at the full counsel of God’s Word and hyper interpret, over emphasize, go to seed on 1 verse here and there, while ignoring the whole counsel of Scripture, as they are hell bent on promulgating certain heretical misinterpretations.
1 John 2:2 alone disproves the whole grace-perverting extra-biblical system of calvinism. “THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD” is a death nail to the diabolical scam called calvinism.
WHY did Jesus tell us He was going to “draw ALL men” to Himself if He had no desire to save “ALL men”? (John 12:32)
Cursed Calvinism: Jesus promised He was going to “draw ALL men” to Himself when He went to the cross (John 12:32). God would never draw someone He didn’t desire to save – and Jesus told us that “ALLLL” men were going to be drawn to Him to be saved. Calvinist is a gross perversion of the original Gospel and character of Christ! It’s a false gospel and anyone preaching it is “accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9)
WHY did Jesus say He was going to “draw ALL men” to Himself if He had no intention of saving them? John 12:32
How is it that you deny that Jesus “is the propitiation (atoning sacrifice) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD”? (1 John 2:2)
Calvinists love to misread Romans 9-11. They reject the knowledge of God here where it is once again revealed, as is repeatedly the case, that God desires to “have mercy on ALLLLLL.”
“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon ALL.” Romans 11:32
“All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us ALL.” Isaiah 53:6
Jesus died to save “EVERY man.”
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death FOR EVERY MAN.” Hebrews 2:9
Calvinism is an antichrist cult….There are more than one proof of this, including that they learn from mere men, they indoctrinate their prey, and they uphold the doctrines of sinful men (reformers) above God’s Word.
“Let God be true, but every man a liar…” Romans 3:4
What did God give us to know His “doctrine”?
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Cults are known in that they have a faulty foundation – they rest on something other than God’s Word and are therefore built on sinking sound (Matthew 7:15-29).
The calvinist seeks to see the Bible through calvinism instead of seeing calvinism through the Bible.
Like the pharisees of Jesus’ day, most calvinists are more intent upon holding to a heretical tradition than to the Word of God (Mark 7:6-10).
“Calvinism comes from Gnostic, Greek philosophy that Augustine learned and mixed in with Christianity.” unknown (Calvin repeatedly admitted that he got his doctrines from Augustine. Augustine was a catholic
“Who will have ALLLLL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” 1 Timothy 2:4
John Calvin admittedly revealed that he was getting his doctrines from the Catholic Augustine (a total fraud). All of Catholicism, from its very inception, was Antichrist. Therefore anything coming out of it is cursed. It is a cursed tree which cannot bear good fruit.
Calvinism is a twisted, demonic system of heresies that grossly malign the character and Gospel of Jesus Christ. 1 verse destroys the false foundation upon which the heretical system of calvinism is built. 1 John 2:2 case closed.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Attacking Calvinism isn’t loving your neighbor. You are neglecting Ephesians 1:4. Calvinism is biblical. If you want a target of false doctrine to focus on, the Prosperity Gospel is a huge one. The Bible must be read in context.”
REPLY:
Since Calvinism is pure demonic heresy, attacking Calvinism is attacking and exposing satan which is the mandate of God to all who know Him.
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Jude 3
You only defend this system, this “doctrine of devils” due to not studying God’s Word for yourself and instead, following Satan’s wolves.
Loving the LORD is more important than loving your neighbor and when you love the LORD you don’t following heresies.
1 John 2:2 alone slays the demonic system of Calvinism. Case closed.
Repent and follow Jesus, not wolves who are His enemies.
History of Calvinism – Rooted in Catholicism and Murder | DOES Mankind Have Free Will?
One disciple writes: “The Calvinists act like these devils (their idolized reformers like Calvin) invented the Bible itself when they were born 1500 to 1600 years later. These rats were the worst people like Calvin, John Knox, Luther and another rat named Huldrych Zwingli who murdered the real reformers—like the Anabaptists and other sects—by the tens of thousands and were evil satanic tyrants. They raped and tortured their way to power. If you do not believe me look up the persecution and murder of the Anabaptists, along with reformation leaders who tortured and killed dissidents with the numbers into the hundreds of thousands. Look it up because the great truth is these snakes were so evil and arrogant with their fake self-righteous holiness that they wrote it all down for all to read. Evil people. Even today people will tell me they purely made up the story of Jew-hater Luther and the ink well. All made up 100 years later and the original story was of a fight between him and a monk over a prostitute. Just saying there are tons of myths from the so-called Church fathers. Some of them where wicked and insane. Don’t believe me, look it up. But don’t go to the reformed historians because they lie though their teeth. Even Catholic historians tell more truth about the horrors of the burning times. Go to secular sources who tell it like it was. Years ago, when I used to preach on this topic, I got more death threats from reformers than Muslims because they serve their fake reformed gods above Bible truth.”
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