
Damned into Hell AFTER being Saved? Is that Possible?
So many today are experts at making excuse for their sin. They are moral cowards who refuse to truly repent which would mean they become absolutely honest before the LORD.
“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.” Proverbs 28:13
Cover or confess? The Damning Myth of Un-Conditional Eternal Security!
The finished work of Christ is a foundational truth of Christianity, but His accomplishment does not arbitrarily guarantee the final salvation of the individual believer. Christ’s perfect and completed work to save mankind does not change the God-given free will of each human being.
“Sin … bringeth forth death” which is separation from God (James 1:13-15).
WHAT kind of Church is Jesus returning for?
“Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” Ephesians 5:25-27
God is Holy and sin must be accounted for. The person whom Jesus saves is held personally responsible before God to “walk in the light” and not in darkness. And, it’s only “IF” that person continues to “walk in the light” that his sins are washed away. Such is a divine condition. Divine Conditions
There’s victory in Christ, in the cross He commanded that we take up. Saints of Christ, you and I are no match for sin. Jesus conquered all sin! The cross is the only answer for our sin. God is able, we aren’t and when we consent to our own death, loving Jesus more than self, we are buried and He raises us upward in His grace and power to experience His victory! Amen Jesus. Victory in the Cross
“But IF (IF IF) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” 1 John 1:7
Most who claim to know Jesus are not known of Him (1 Corinthians 8:3). They could care less about the ONE they claim to serve. but rather are led to focus on the god of self – and what that sinful man can get away with. That’s due to loving their darkness and not Christ’s light.
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” John 3:19-21
All who are in a saving relationship with Christ are known in that they not only CAME to Christ who is the light, but also continue to come to the light, in Christ.
COUNTERFEITS who hide behind their OSAS fairy tale HATE this biblical reality and are willing to call the LORD a liar in order to retain this heresy – “And he that overcometh, and KEEPETH my works UNTO THE END, to him will I give power over the nations:” (Revelation 2:26)
Debbie Lord writes:
“This book (Soul Damning Sins) contains an urgent wake-up call for Christians everywhere! Many are taught that faith or believing in Jesus Christ for salvation is a one-time event and yet, the Bible teaches otherwise. While saving faith begins at one instant, when a person repents and believes on the LORD Jesus Christ, it certainly doesn’t end there. One glorious event of belief does not mean you can walk away and live life any way you please and still enter Heaven when you die. No, in fact it means exactly the opposite and requires a continual embracing of the new life that Christ’s very sacrifice made available to us by defeating the power of Satan over us. Continual, ongoing, abiding faith is required and is only attainable by the empowering grace of God to enter glory! The Bible says: ‘If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned’ (John 15:5).”
The born again disciple of Jesus is not saved by the LORD and given a license for sin but rather the divine grace to overcome all sin as he abides in Christ, in the daily, crucified life.
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” Romans 6:1-2
Those who cry “grace, grace, grace,” “sovereign grace,” “once saved always saved,” and “eternal security” are frauds – the very “ungodly men” the Holy Ghost warned us about in Jude 3-4. Hint: These delusional, diabolical wolves NEVER even mention, don’t even know, and intentionally evade GRACE Scriptures such as Titus 2:11-12. And they do so because they want nothing to do with personal responsibility in the crucified life – without which no man can live in an abiding, Heaven-ready relationship with Christ! (Read John 15:1-6.) Hell is full of OSAS counterfeits! Bam. Caught red-handed are agents of Satan, the father of all twists, half-truths, and lying deceptions!
Discerning Satan’s Agents
“Grace” theology that excludes divinely inspired truth such as that found in Titus 2:11-12 is purposely withheld by “ungodly men” in order to pervert saving grace (Jude 3-4). 99% of today’s modern so-called, self-proclaimed “grace” teachers never mention Titus 2:11-12, and it’s by design. These are the very “ungodly men” who’ve turned God’s grace into a license to sin – without the consequence of losing salvation (Jude 3-4). YOU’D better find out for yourself all that God’s Word says about grace….. Jude 3-4 tells us there are many “ungodly men” today perverting the original Gospel message of grace which never justifies sin but rather grants the divine ability to overcome all sin (Romans 6:1-2; Titus 2:11-14).
WHY won’t most pastors share verses like 2 Corinthians 7:1? What’s the agenda? What are they hiding? Could it be because it removes the excuse-making justification of sin?
“Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” 2 Corinthians 7:1
SO MANY today, lukewarm, backslidden “church goers” will profusely make excuse for their sin, swearing vehemently that they are saved, they are going to Heaven no matter what (Proverbs 28:13). Is that what God says? No. In fact, He stated that all it takes to go to hell after being saved is the be “lukewarm” (Revelation 3:15-16). So “MANY” will be shocked when they die and immediately descend into the the horrible abyss of damnation, only because they do not take God at His Word. NO sinner will enter eternal glory. EVERY person who dies in sin is going to be separated from the One who told us plainly that He is “Holy, holy, holy” and “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” (Isaiah 6:3; Hebrews 12:14; Revelation 4:8).
“Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.” Ezekiel 33:12-13
“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16
God is holy and “the soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:4).
Can’t “Fall Away” AFTER being Saved? Tell that to Jesus!
Jesus taught that one can “fall away” (Luke 8:13). Yet many today call the Son of God a liar by denying such can happen.
“They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation FALL AWAY.” Luke 8:13
Dan Wallace, who is known as one of the leading Greek scholars today, had this to say regarding “belief” as shown by the original languages of the Bible:
“The present was the tense of choice most likely because the NT writers by and large saw continual belief as a necessary condition of salvation.” (Wallace, Greek Grammar: Beyond the Basics, p.621, footnote 22)
Christ taught His very own that they must “endure to the end” of their life in this world to be “saved” into Heaven.
“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. … But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” Matthew 10:22; 24:13
Regrettably, the apostate evangelical world only acknowledges INITIAL salvation although Scripture repeatedly teaches both INITIAL and FINAL salvation. Today’s wolves know that teaching the essential cross (the crucified life), the need to endure to the end, holiness, judgment to come, and the biblical truth of the possibility of falling away, will not bring in money which is their god (Matthew 6:24).
True Salvation Always Results in Good Fruit
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” Titus 1:16
When one is truly saved, truly in Christ, he will have the fruit of good works. No, those works don’t save him and yet, because he’s authentically saved in Christ, those good works will be the fruit of such a relationship, without fail (John 15:1-6). The fruit of a person’s life reveals the root of their lives and those truly rooted in Christ will bear His fruit.
“MANY” have not read God’s Word diligently and thoroughly for themselves and so believe what wolves taught them, namely that after being saved one could not possibly be separated from God and damned eternally.
Absolute heresy.
“If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire (hell), and they are burned.” John 15:6
Many intentionally ignore the above words of Jesus and cite and cling to the words of Jesus in John 10:28-29 as a proof text for their OSAS belief. But they conveniently ignore the condition Jesus gives in v. 27. More here on that.
They LOVE their darkness and the “once saved always saved (OSAS)” / “eternal security” fairy tale false teachers have taught them. They simply do not want to make Jesus their “first love,” which begins at true, unreserved repentance because they are not willing to give up their lives in this world (Revelation 2:4-5). They want to believe they are saved and going to Heaven but have no interest in getting to know and obeying Jesus. Here’s what lies ahead:
“Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41
You see, so many want things their own way but the kingdom of Christ is not burger king. So many today prayed a prayer but never repented and laid down their life (Luke 14:33; 17:33). They have not yet truly repented which is always followed by the crucified life Jesus says is essential to following Him – and if one is not following Him on His terms, that person is not in Christ (Luke 9:23-24; John 15:1-6, etc.).
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.” Matthew 7:13-14
These “MANY” whom Jesus promised would be deceived by the “MANY false prophets” have been lied to by the ear-tickling “MANY false prophets” the LORD and His holy apostles so often warned us about, and they themselves are rebels (Matthew 24:11; 2 Timothy 4:2-4). They have no one to blame but themselves – in utter and true repentance before a Holy God. Instead of seeking God for themselves by diligent, daily study of His Word for themselves, they just listen to one or more of the many Satan’s “pastor” pawns who coddle them in their sin. Hell awaits.
Many make excuse for sin instead of honestly approaching the cross – which is the only way the Christian life works (Galatians 2:20; 2 Corinthians 4:10-12).
OSAS / unconditional eternal security is a heresy. John 15:6; 2 Peter 2:20-21; Hebrews 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39, etc. SOUL DAMNING SINS [book]
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All good things must come to an end…. except for those who are going to share in the eternal glory of Jesus Christ!!!
“But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
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The Curse of a Divided Heart and Blessing of a Whole Heart! [podcast]

Israel’s heart was divided. The solution.
“Their heart is divided; now shall they be found faulty: he shall break down their altars, he shall spoil their images … 12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.” Hosea 10:2, 12
King Asa: Tragic end of an otherwise obedient, fruitful, God-glorifying life….
Are you blessed or cursed?
“Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.” Jeremiah 17:5
King Asa trusted the physicians and not the LORD and he paid dearly.
“And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.” 2 Chronicles 16:12
Feet speak of foundation. Without feet, physically we cannot stand. Without a sound foundation of truth, of God’s Word in our lives, we shall not stand. Read Matthew 7:19-29.
One writes notes the following about the meaning of feet in God’s Word:
“Why Are Feet Important in the Bible? Just as men and women stand upon their feet as the foundation of upright posture, Bible verses also use feet as a euphemism to represent a strong foundation in various circumstances. Feet are not referenced as we see them today, but they are used as symbols to represent greater metaphorical concepts, such as guidance or direction.
The feet represented something that was common to all people but used differently. For example, one of the most noted scripture texts involving feet is Psalm 119:105, ‘Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.’ This emphasizes how the feet are used to travel and traverse. Yet, without the word, the traveler is left walking in the dark without a known path.
Essentially, the feet are referenced as a critical part of life as walking was commonplace. We naturally travel where our feet lead us and the Bible verses use feet to represent a means of traveling through life itself. If we walk down a dark path, we are likely to stumble. If we walk down a holy path, we are sure to please God. All of this is facilitated symbolically by the feet.”
The foundation truth we learn in God’s Word and obedience to it determines the direction of our lives.
“As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.” Colossians 2:6-7
Becoming Rooted and Grounded in Christ
Like Asa, many today trust the counsel of mere men, such as doctors and not God. This doesn’t mean going to a doctor is a sin and yet, the true disciple will primarily trust and obey and be led of the LORD, not men.
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” Hebrews 11:6
Read Hebrews 3-4 prayerfully for the eternal danger of having “an evil heart of unbelief” AFTER being saved. Repentance required.
“They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.” Psalms 12:2
Got depression? Are you seeking the LORD in true repentance whereby He will grant you great joy? (Psalms 51; 2 Timothy 1:7) Or, are you seeking out and trusting the mere human, the finite pundits of this fleeting world?
“But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.” Job 13:4
Those who trust human physicians and not the Great Physician, are cursed, not blessed. Their faith in mere men reveals their utter rebellion.
“See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.” Jeremiah 1:10
2 Chronicles 15:17 – Upon becoming king in Judah, Asa, having inherited an idolatrous, lukewarm people, system… he began to command that…
- The people do that which is right in God’s eyes (2 Chronicles 14:2)
- That all idolatrous altars we torn down (2 Chronicles 14:3)
- That God’s people seek His face (2 Chronicles 14:4)
- That idol altars in the cities of Judah be removed – “and the kingdom was quiet before him” (2 Chronicles 14:5) ….. Proverbs 1:33
- Fenced cities be built …. so the land could be at rest, at peace, and not fear the enemy (2 Chronicles 14:6)
- The people be involved in building fenced, walled, protected cities – “Therefore he said unto Judah, Let us build these cities, and make about them walls, and towers, gates, and bars, while the land is yet before us; because we have sought the LORD our God, we have sought him, and he hath given us rest on every side. So they built and prospered.” (2 Chronicles 14:7) …… 1 Chron 16:11
- Great military be built (2 Chronicles 14:8)
“The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and IFFFF ye seek him, he will be found of you; but IF ye forsake him, he will forsake you.” 2 Chronicles 15:2
“But the high places were not taken away out of Israel: nevertheless the heart of Asa was perfect all his days.” 2 Chronicles 15:17
“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” Hebrews 11:20-22
“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” Psalms 9:17
“Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.” Psalms 50:22
“Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.” 2 Chronicles 20:20
God blesses those who trust Him and curses, removes His blessings from those who once trusted Him and yet now have forgotten Him. When we willingly offer ourselves as living sacrifices to the LORD our God, He avenges us of all our enemies (Judges 5:2) …. “But IF thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.” (Exodus 23:22)
“WHEN” does God avenge us of our enemies? “WHEN” does God judge our enemies?
“Praise ye the LORD for the avenging of Israel, WHEN the people willingly offered themselves.” Judges 5:2
When we offer our lives a living sacrifice unto the LORD – that is, we simply surrender this life to Him – the subduing of our enemies begins.
“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” Romans 12:1-2
Asa reigned as king in Judah for 39 years (2 Chronicles 14-16).
In his final days, after obeying God and bringing much needed reform to the people of God, Asa forgot the LORD, and had grown cold in his faith and was therefore cursed with a divided heart.
All those who trust mere men, just because they have a white coat on and are called “doctor”, are going to die as did king Asa who trusted in earthly physicians, instead of the Great Physician! Repent now sinner.
“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.” Proverbs 3:5-7
Are you a pessimistic pansy or an optimistic overcomer? Are you like the 10 spies or the 2 who entered the promised land while the 10 sad sack whiners were shut out? “The righteous are bold as a lion.” (Proverbs 28:1) Jesus asks “WHERE is your faith?” (Luke 8:25) Repenting for real and putting all your trust in the LORD is essential – and no one will be in the promise land of Heaven without sound, solid faith in God. “Without faith it is impossible to please him.” (Hebrews 11:6). “Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.” (Jeremiah 17:5)
Read Revelation 2-3.
Remember the woman Jesus, the Great Divine Physician made whole of her issue who had previously spent all she had on human physicians?
“And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, 26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse, 27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment. 28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole. 29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. 30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him (accessed by faith in Him), turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes? 31 And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? 32 And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing. 33 But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth. 34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith (in God not men) hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.” Mark 5:25-34
You claim to be trusting God but you take a mood drug? I don’t think so. MOOD DRUGS ARE FOR THE WICKED UNBELIEVERS. PERIOD. REPENT.
When a person resorts to using a drug to uplift their mood, they are loving and believing the world more than God, forfeiting the blessing of God for a cheap substitute, and manifesting their contempt for the LORD, their unbelief. A born again, presently abiding
disciple of Jesus has all the fruit of the Holy Spirit which include, “Love, joy, peace…” (Galatians 5:22-23) God gives His people “power… love, and a sound mind.” (2 Timothy 1:7) God’s Word has the answer to “ALL things that pertain unto life and godliness” and that specifically includes a “sound mind.” (2 Peter 1:3-4) Holy Scripture specifically uses the terms “sound mind” and “sound heart” which come only from learning and adhering to “sound doctrine.”
We live in a fallen world and were born in sin. Via the things that have happened to us and that we ourselves have perpetrated on others, fragmentation of our hearts has occurred. Only One can make us whole.
“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.” Luke 4:17-19
“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.” 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
“He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.” Psalms 147:3
Counting it all Joy
“My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” James 1:2-8
Through the trials we face in this life, we must learn to “count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations”, trust God not men, ask for and rely on His wisdom and not waver, but rather finished our course trusting and walking with Christ to the end of our lives.
“I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:” 2 Timothy 4:7
“For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.” Hebrews 6:10-12
The Whole Heart
“And all Judah rejoiced at the oath: for they had sworn with all their heart, and sought him with their whole desire; and he was found of them: and the LORD gave them rest round about.” 2 Chronicles 15:15
The result of seeking the LORD with a whole heart is that He gives us “rest round about.”
“But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.” Proverbs 1:33
9 Times in the book of Psalms the words “Whole Heart” appear. Here’s the first 3 of that collection:
“I will praise thee, O LORD, with my WHOLE HEART; I will shew forth all thy marvellous works.” Psalms 9:1
“Praise ye the LORD. I will praise the LORD with my WHOLE HEART, in the assembly of the upright, and in the congregation.” Psalms 111:1
“Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the WHOLE HEART.” Psalms 119:2
PRAYER: Dear heavenly Father, I have sinned against You by not wholly trusting You. I have not sought You with my whole heart. Here and now I confess this for the evil sin of unbelief and rebellion that it is and ask You to please forgive me now in the name of Jesus. Please wash me afresh from all my sins with the precious blood of Jesus Christ. Also please make my heart whole and increase and fill me with Your faith Father, and cause me to trust You with all of my heart, no matter what. I love You my dear LORD. In Jesus’ name. Amen.
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