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“The Knowledge of the Holy”

What’s the worst part about our sin? What is the core issue of sin?

THE WORST PART ABOUT OUR SIN IS NOT THE PHYSICAL EFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON OUR LIVES BUT RATHER THAT WE HAVE OFFENDED GOD WHO IS “HOLY, HOLY, HOLY.” (ISAIAH 6:3; REVELATION 4:8) THE WORST THINGS ABOUT OUR SIN PERTAINS TO OUR VIOLATING THE HOLINESS OF THE ALMIGHTY WHO IS THE MAKER AND JUDGE OF OUR ETERNAL SOULS. THE WORST PART ABOUT OUR SIN IS NOT A DAMAGED LIVER DUE TO TOO MUCH ALCOHOL OR AN STD DUE TO FORNICATION. WE MUST PREACH THIS WITH GOD’S GLORY IN MIND AND NOT TO ENTICE MEN ON A SUPERFICIAL LEVEL. OUR PREACHING MUST BE FROM GOD’S HEART WHICH HE GAVE US IN HIS WRITTEN WORD (PSALMS 33:11). IN HIS HOLY FEAR, WHEN WE ADDRESS SIN, WE MUST ALWAYS SPEAK BEGINNING WITH THE ROOT OFFENSE AGAINST GOD.

“Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity…” Habakkuk 1:13

Fearing God is a command and an essential. When we truly begin to fear Him, we then begin to gain and grasp “the knowledge of the holy.”

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” Proverbs 9:10

May our LORD bless each of His true disciples with His holy fear and begin to teach us “the knowledge of the holy” which He alone can do.

“The knowledge of the holy” is what each true disciple is in great need of. When we have His holy fear we will know His holy divine nature and it is then that He alone will be first in our lives and not ourselves or any other mere human. Then, His Word will take place in our lives and all false teachings exposed in the light of His truth (Psalms 119:104, 128).

Those who choose to fear the LORD “shall come forth of them all” in the end (Ecclesiastes 7:18). Yet, those who do not “choose the fear of the LORD” will be found wanting in the end and for all eternity.

“Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: 29For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: 30They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. 31Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. 32For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. 33But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.” Proverbs 1:28-31

The worst part about our sin is that it is an offense to our “Holy, holy, holy” God and Judge with whom we have to do (Isaiah 6:3; Rev. 4:8). Learning, knowing, embracing, and keeping ever in mind the truth that the LORD our God is “Holy, holy, holy” will help guide you into truth and the discernment of that which is off camber.

“This is certainly unfortunate and alarming to say the least (STD’s being spread through fornication). However, even though sexually transmitted diseases are quite horrible, and can even cause loss of life; the Christian, (and especially the Christian minister), must not use the dangers of sexually transmitted diseases as a deterrent to fornication in the youth, or anyone else for that matter. Instead we should preach the word of the Lord and give them warning from HIM who said that fornicators shall not inherit the kingdom of God. It is not the threat of disease that the bible warns of, but the danger of Hellfire and eternal torment. This should be the true motivation for our young people to avoid fornication, and come to Christ. Remember, even if that young person remained a virgin until marriage, they will still go to Hell when they die unless they repent toward God, and have faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jimmy Lathan

Holiness is the work of God in the heart of one of His children. He is moving on and sanctifying the born again believer, causing him to walk in the new man, putting off the old man (Colossians 3:1-14).

First and foremost, if or when we sin, it is against God because He alone is Holy in His divine nature and our being holy is completely contingent upon our abiding in Him who is the Holy One. When false teachers simply speak about the effects of sin (VD, liver damage, etc.), this is a red flag. When false programs like CR (Celebrate Recovery) never mention our vertical offense against a God who is Holy and only deal with the horizontal offense against mere men, this is a direct denial of the LORD and reveals great blindness of darkened hearts.

Nevermind Rick “the devil” Warren‘s “recovery” garbage, it’s time to recover the original Gospel of Jesus which is the only answer to man’s sin problem! (Jude 3-4) SIN is still man’s core dilemma for which Christ came! Oh and the original Gospel begins with the divine command to “repent.” (Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Acts 2:38, etc.)

The point of this message is to underscore that only God is independently holy and so if we choose to sin, it is first and foremost an offense against Him who is “Holy, holy, holy,” and “harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens.” (Hebrews 7:26) Secondarily, if we choose to sin, it’s a sin against others and our own bodies (1 Corinthians 6:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. Most ministry today never points this out but is man-centered and so only speaks of sin in respect to its effect upon men.

Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight…” Psalms 51:4

Here David speaks of his sin and calls it “evil.” Note that this man after God’s heart never referred to sin as a “mistake” or a “bad habit” like many modern wolves and betrayers of the LORD. Honesty is a high premium with God (Luke 8:15).

Whenever we have offended or done our fellow man wrong, we have first sinned against the Maker of that man. So, even then, we have first and foremost sinned against God Himself  “Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.” (1 Timothy 6:16)

Think about it: Only God is “Holy, holy, holy” and so if we sin it is a violation of His Law first and foremost. Yet, many modern pop-psycho programs and the wolves who facilitate them deny, dismiss, ignore and/or deal only with the temporal effects of sin. They are dealing only with the surface level instead of getting to the root of the unbelief and rebellion. Putting God first is essential and the dividing line between those who know and truly serve Him and those who feign to represent Him. We must personally live and call for “repentance toward God” which alone will bring His deliverance, refreshing, and healing (Acts 3:19; 20:21). “Times of refreshing” come as we “repent” according to Acts 3:19.

The sins of others are no greater than yours because God is “Holy, holy, holy.” Is 6:3; Rev 4:8 Selah!

“False Burdens and Causes of Banishment”

“Thy prophets (false) have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.” Lamentations 2:14

The prophet Jeremiah says here that the false leaders of his day “have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.”

“False Burdens” – Jeremiah reveals that instead of leading the LORD’s people into recognizing that He is Holy and into repentance from unholy things, those false prophets “have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.” In other words, those leaders, like the false teachers in our day, tended to the fanfare of lighter things like the modern-day prosperity message, church growth, self-help programs, how to cope with problems and various dainty non-essentials taught by fad authors. Simply put, false leaders, who far outnumber the true ones, misdirect and mislead souls and they are only able to do so with people who are not learning God’s Word for themselves (John 8:31-32; Acts 17:11; 2 Timothy 2:15; 3:16-17). One such antichrist wolf is Rick Warren.

Concerning his his Celebrate Recovery program, Rick Warren writes:

“What we need is a biblical and balanced program to help people overcome their hurts, habits and hang-ups. Celebrate Recovery is that program. Based on the actual words of Jesus rather than psychological theory, our recovery program is unique, and more effective in helping people change than anything else I’ve seen or heard of.”

Notice the misdirection or curb ball he throws in the first sentence here when he speaks of a “balanced program.” Yet the whole title and premise is not to honor, worship, and celebrate Jesus Christ but rather to celebrate recovery! Do you see this deception? Then this vile wolf goes out of his way to say that his program is biblical and not psychological and lies about his program “helping people.” Yet, just like the false leaders of Jeremiah’s day and every generation, Warren has “not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.” (Lamentations 2:14) No, instead Rick Warren says his program (not God’s) will “help people overcome their hurts, habits and hang-ups.” What’s missing? Notice the absence of calling sin, sin?!!!!!!! Bingo!

In the text below, let us look at what Jeremiah says further concerning those who held positions of leadership among the LORD’s people in that day. Also, we should ask: Has anything changed? Is this what the LORD sees among those in leadership today who have come in His name but don’t bear His fruit and doctrine?

“The wise men (leaders) are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken (morally weakened through sin): lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?…for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush (hardened hearts, seared consciences): therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.” Jeremiah 8:9-12

By removing from the message the eternal, divine truth that God is “Holy, holy, holy”and the need for His people to come to repentance, the false prophets had “healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly (superficially), saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.” They removed the essential message of the holiness of God and the need of repentance from sin before a holy God and the very Judge of our eternal souls – “except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.” (Lk. 13:3) These men had “rejected the word of the LORD” in their personal lives and therefore in their service to the LORD. Though they once personally embraced and preached the holiness of the Most High and repentance, they now became wiser than the Almighty and therefore leaned to their own darkened understanding, vainly believing they knew what their modern generation needed more than the LORD – “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.” (Rom. 1:22) After all, things had changed right? They lived in a new age, more enlightened than any previous time in history – correct? Wrong. Since the fall of man in the Garden, the heart of the human problem has been the problem of the human heart. God is holy and we have sinned against Him who is holy and must render repentance from sin and not call it something or anything else than that which it is in His holy eyes – sin. This is the divine prescription and is man’s only hope in contacting His Maker’s grace and mercy (Acts 3:19). In order to be justified – exonerated from the punishment and penalty of sin – one must fall upon the sheer mercy of the One who is “full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.” (Ps. 86:15)

Why were God’s people not “ashamed when they had committed abomination”? Because they didn’t follow the LORD but rather they followed the false leaders who dealt “falsely” as they werehandling the word of God deceitfully.” (2 Corinthians 4:2) There was no convicting teaching on sin and holiness and judgment and repentance among them. Their leaders were betraying the LORD and His people for their own self-gain (“covetousness”). Nothing has changed in our day. So, beware when you hear a man not speaking of the holiness of the Almighty and His requirement for all that will be with Him to Be ye holy; for I am holy.” (1 Peter 1:15-16) Beware of those who refuse to use the biblical word “sin” and instead replace it with minimizing words like “mistake” and “habits.” Those two words never appear in Holy Writ. Modern wolves like Rick Warren and those beguiling leaders who follow him also speak of “hurts” which in their corrupted definition, deals only on a human level which reveals the idolatrous religion of humanism they espouse and perpetrate. This simply means that they treat man as his own little god around which the world revolves instead of the true Christian whose world revolves around the LORD Jesus Christ (Galatians 2:20; 6:14). This is luciferic (Isaiah 14:12-15).

“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16

There is no hiding that each of us whom He has found and saved, have needed to repent and confess our sins along the way. This is essential to continually being washed by the very precious blood of Christ (1 John 1:7, 9). Yet, if we begin to subvert divine truth by covering our sins and not acknowledging them before Him, we are in big trouble.

He that covereth (tries to hide) his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.” Proverbs 28:13  

We must be aware of the tendency of the flesh to depart from the light of Christ’s truth and migrate to smooth talking wolves who pretend to be helping us while simultaneously guiding us safely into the bowels of eternal punishment (2 Timothy 4:2-4). God really is “Holy, holy, holy” and only those who draw their last breath in this life in a state of holiness will be with Him eternally.

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” Hebrews 12:14

Consequence of our Sin

Is that sin really worthy it?

“Bread of deceit is sweet to a man; but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel (remorse, regret).” Proverbs 20:17

The idiom used here to convey the reaping, the remorse for our sin is “afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel (regret).”

THE DEVIL IS A LIAR! He’s never going to tempt you to sin against the LORD and then remind you of the consequences.

Rick Warren: Purpose Driven Deception

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Apostasy

Favorite Eternal Security “Proof” Text? [podcast]


Excerpt from the book Lie of the Ages

Does John 10:27-29 Prove “Eternal Security”?

WHO are Jesus’ Sheep? Defined by, in God’s Word.

John 10:27-29

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” ~ John 10:27-29

Verse 27 is the condition necessary to appropriate the promises of verses 28-29.

Those who believe that a man can never lose his salvation, use this John 10:28-29 text but ignore the prerequisite, the divinely given condition – v27. Watch this:

Firstly, in this passage Jesus identifies those sheep whom He makes the security promise to. He says, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” In this we see one part divine and two parts the responsibility of the individual:

  • “I know them”—the divine part toward those who are truly in Christ, presently abiding (v. 27)
  • Those who are His sheep “hear” His “voice” and “follow” Him—the individual’s responsibility (v. 27)

The promise to be kept is a conditional promise which requires that we choose to continue to hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27-29). Many today wrongly detach our LORD’s words in verse 27 from verses 28-29. In doing so, they perpetrate their “eternal security” mythology.

The problem for the eternal securists is that v27 has been intentionally been ignored…. It’s the actual condition Jesus gives for receiving the assurance promises He then gives in v28-29.

Those who seek to spread the “once saved always saved” heresy use John 10:28-29 to their advantage and conveniently ignore the preceding words of Christ in verse 27. Verses 28-29 are promises of security to those who have been genuinely born again and are currently abiding in Christ – hearing His voice and following Him (John 15:1-6). Many ignore the previous qualifying words (v. 27) of Jesus where Christ tells us that only those who are hearing His voice and following Him are promised that they are secure and will never perish. There is a condition to being secure in Christ—knowing Him—which requires continuing to abide in Him, hear His voice and follow Him (see also John 15).

“Jesus will neither leave us nor forsake us, but we can leave and forsake Him by choosing our sins OVER His love, grace and mercy!” Dino Filardo

Eternal securists have been taught to selectively interpret Scripture while ignoring mountains of Bible truth, in order to come to a predetermined conclusion.

Many a false teacher has built his own ministry empire dishonestly peddling this passage. Take a closer look. Anchor the promise to be kept in verses 28-29 on verse 27 where Jesus identifies who His sheep are – those who hear and continue to hear His voice and continue to follow Him (present tense). The promise to be kept is a glorious and yet conditional promise which requires that the individual recipient of the salvation gift of God chooses to continue to hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27-29). Many today wrongly detach our LORD’s words in verse 27 from verses 28-29 of John 10. In doing so, they perpetrate their “eternal security” or otherwise called “once saved always saved” mythology. Beware as this was the first lie Satan told mankind, which led to the fall (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).

Instead of synthesizing the whole of Scripture, false teachers isolate certain verses for their own self-serving agenda and purpose (2 Corinthians 2:17, etc.).

The sheep Jesus’ promises are going to be kept are those who endure to the end, abide (remain) with Him (John 15:1-6). The Great Shepherd defines His sheep as those who are presently hearing His voice and following Him (present tense). John 10:27-29

It’s not difficult to mislead people in the direction of the sinful nature of their hearts – because then they can evade truly repenting which is a major life change and necessity for salvation. This is why Paul foretold of this hour and how men would “heap to themselves (false) teachers having itching ears.” (2 Timothy 4:3) “Itching ears” here represents unrepentant hearts.

OSAS people make a vain attempt at redefining the words of Scripture to fit their own self-serving agenda of lukewarmness, cross-less rebellion. For example they hyper-focus on “eternal” in the term “eternal life” while intentionally refusing to synthesize the whole of what Scripture states. They hyper-focus on the word “gift” and teach that a gift could never be lost which the rest of Scripture does not agree with. They then take the word “sealed” and make it to be permanent which it cannot possibly be because the same Greek word for “sealed” is used of Jesus’ tomb which we all know was NOT permanently sealed (Matthew 27:66). In this they bear false witness against the LORD and act like some Scriptures are more divinely inspired than others. This practice reveals the evil and deceit of their own hearts. Not just some Scripture in the Bible but rather “ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God…” (2 Timothy 3:16-17) It must all be synthesized, put together, compared (1 Corinthians 2:13). Error will result in the hearts and lives of those who do not search, study, and revere “ALL scripture” in God’s Word.

Eternal security deceivers don’t want to talk about Bible verses that contradict and expose their proof texts. You see, they don’t want to get awaken by the truth to the scam they’ve bought into. The wolves who they gullibly believe instead of God’s Word, taught them to cry “context, context” all while THEY are the beguilers who are taking Scripture out of context. Just like the demonic democrats in America, they accuse their adversaries of the exact thing THEY themselves are guilty of (Romans 2:1-3).

YOU are defending OSAS and yet you gave no Bible verses? Self-deception. If “once saved always saved” were true, WHY O WHY didn’t God tell us? Such a term, phrase, or concept appear no where in Scripture and the verses you use to “prove” it are taken out of their context. OSAS is undeniably the very first lie Satan ever told and it led to the fall of mankind from a HOLY God (Genesis 2:17; 3:4). If OSAS isn’t a doctrine of devils, nothing is! (1 Timothy 4:1-2)

Is the unchanging, Almighty God no longer “Holy, holy, holy” now that He sent His only begotten Son? (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8) If He’s still holy, no unrepentant person with sin will enter His holy Heaven (Revelation 21:8, 27, etc.).

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14

HOW is it that so many treat the words of JESUS recorded in John 10 more divinely authoritative than the words of JESUS recorded in John 15? False teachers.

Most of the dupes who cite John 10:28-29 to “prove” they can never lose their salvation, 1. Don’t even know what the preceding verse says (v27), and 2. Have no clue what JESUS says in John 15:6.

“If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6

In this John 10 passage used by the unconditional eternal security crew to peddle their wares, some neglect to look closely at verse 27 to see who Jesus was specifically speaking to when He promised “they shall never perish.” “They” refers to those who “hear my voice” and “follow me.” According to verse 27 the promise of eternal security is conditional. Assurance of salvation is only to those who are presently following Christ. In verse 27 we learn that protection from judgment to come is only to those who are currently 1) hearing His voice, 2) known by Him, and 3) following Him. This is consistent with the message seen in the whole of Holy Writ.

“For if AFTER they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, AFTER they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit AGAIN; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22 

WHO did Jesus say His true sheep are?

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (Jn. 10:27). According to these words of Christ, those who “know” Jesus and “follow” Him are given the promise that they will “never perish.” As long as the follower hears His voice and follows Him, they are assured “eternal life.” This is exactly what the Son of God taught just a few chapters later in John 15 where He says that if a branch that is in Him does not remain or abide in Him, that person will be cut off and cast into the fire (hell).

Those who abide or remain under the shadow of His holy and protective wing shall remain secure in Him (Ps. 91:1). The Good Shepherd here said: “Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” No man can pluck us out of His protection except ourselves by our own decisions. We who are abiding are protected from the snare of other men drawing us away as we remain walking with the Son of God. If you’re tucked, you won’t get plucked. If you’re not tucked under the wing of intimacy with Jesus, you will, can, and are likely to be plucked out of His holy hand by your own sinful unbelief. The LORD told us “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown” (Rev. 3:11).

It’s also notable that those who emphasize John 10 to convince themselves and others that they are “eternally secure”, don’t even know much less acknowledge the words of the Savior in John 15:1-6.

Telling.

“If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6

Jesus taught repeatedly that some would not continue to follow Him (“abide”) and hear His voice and would consequently “fall away.” There is record of some who once believed and then stopped believing (Lk. 8:13; 13:23-30; Jn. 6:66; Acts 8:14-23).

Lie of the Ages (the book)

WHY do eternal securists get all upset when their fairy tale is exposed? Well, they are hiding behind the thin veneer of this heresy, feeling all secure, emboldened to live as they please, feeling assured in their lukewarmness and sin … denying Jesus instead of self, refusing to take up the cross that Jesus commanded all who would follow Him truly (Luke 9:23-24). Christ’s apostle Paul speaks of self-serving “enemies of the cross of Christ.” (Philippians 3:18-19) What’s behind this myth? The Psychology of Eternal Security [book]

Another Example of the Twisting of Scripture

The eternal securists seek to justify their OSAS heresy by misusing the following passage…. but in this Paul is speaking of those who go to Heaven, the judgment of saints, and not those who fell away and won’t be there because they will be in hell. They will not be present when this happens….

“Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

One More….

Common Objection to Conditional Eternal Security….

“What about Romans 8:38-39 where it says nothing can separate us from the love of God?”

REPLY:

Simple: Notice the word LOVE not life. God will love us all the way into hell if we choose not to repent. His soul will even “weep in secret places for your pride” which comes before destruction (Jeremiah 13:17). The LORD is “Holy, holy, holy,” He’s just, and He will not ever coexist with sin. See the fall of lucifer (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-19; Luke 10:18). The wages of sin is still death and the LORD will damn every soul that dies in sin, with no exception (Psalms 5:4; Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Romans 6:23; Revelation 4:8; 21:8; 22:11, etc.). Read Jesus’s parable of the prodigal son Lk 15. Did the father love and miss his son? Yes. Did the father (represents God) go chase him down? No. The son who departed had to choose to return. Much truth there. Speaking of Romans, read 11:20-22. Now read 2 Peter 2:20-22 and the book of Hebrews.

1 John 2:19 is often also utilized to “prove” eternal security. Not.

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:19

Interestingly, the word “never” does not appear in this verse above which is so often used to “prove” OSAS. Let’s read it again with an objective mind. And, also remember what Jesus says about the primary importance of His teaching of the seed and the soil, the sower and the Word:

“And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?” Mark 4:13 

The honest student of the whole Counsel of God’s Word knows that numerous clear Bible truths reveal that a saved person can turn away from the LORD, so we know that the apostle John could not possibly be saying that a saved person could never depart from the LORD. In my opinion, this verse is the best argument the eternal security proponent has, yet it’s not enough. There must be two or three witnesses and not just one (2 Cor. 13:1). After a closer examination of this text, one will find that verse 19 does not teach or justify “once saved always saved.” When any one verse is taken to the exclusion of the whole Word of God, one will certainly misunderstand the doctrine of the LORD which can only be apprehended by “study.” (2 Tim. 2:15) This verse is like any other verse of Scripture – it must be taken in light of the entire Counsel of God. The context to be considered is 1 John 2:18-29).

In examining the context in which 1 John 2:19 is set, we see that false teachers whom John calls “many antichrists,” had come and were telling these believers that Jesus was not the Christ (v22).

Let’s look at verses 18 and 19 together:

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:18-19

Note here that it is specifically of these “antichrists” that John speaks and says that “if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”

John was speaking of those who were once saved but then departed from the faith (1 Tim 4:1), they believed and then fell away (Luke 8:12-13) …. then departed from the believers in that fellowship.

Teddy Caldwell writes:

“OSAS insists that those are professing believers, but 1 John 2:18 says such people are antichrists. 1 John 2:22 says an antichrist is one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Anyone who does that isn’t a believer and isn’t even trying to look like one.”

Concerning 1 John 2:19, Donald Stamps, in the Life in the Spirit Study Bible, writes:

“‘THEY WENT OUT FROM US.’ When the antichrists departed from their fellowship with true believers, they were not in a saving relationship with Christ. This allows for two possibilities: (1) They were never true believers to begin with, or (2) they had once been in a saving relationship with Christ but afterward abandoned their faith in Christ.”

Right here in verse 24 of this passage we see the doctrine of personal responsibility to “remain” in faithful obedience to the LORD or lose one’s place with God (1 Cor. 15:2; Gal. 6:9; Col. 1:23). This is a teaching found throughout Holy Writ – the divine requirement to stay saved or lose all in eternity, “suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 7)

“Let that therefore abide (remain) in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. IF (denotes condition) that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.” 1 John 2:24-25

Verse 24 alone tells us that we cannot think that verse 19 means that someone who is at some point in right standing with God can never depart from Him and lose out. Also, verse 25 tells us that “eternal life” (not just rewards) is at stake and the promise contingent upon the believer abiding or remaining in that “which ye have heard from the beginning” which is the Gospel. “Eternal life” is assured as long as one is remaining rooted in Jesus Christ. This is the overwhelmingly consistent message of God’s Word.

In verse 26 John says “These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.” Verse 19 is written about the deceivers who sought to “seduce” these disciples John was addressing and not of true believers.

With all of Scripture in consideration, we can conclude that 1 John 2:19 is a specific example and not a rule of doctrine.

If you truly wish to search out this matter, let me encourage you to closely examine, break down and study this entire text (1 Jn. 2:18-29). In order to ascertain truth, one must compare the verse in question with all other related Scriptures, beginning with the context in which the verse is set (Isa. 28:9-10; 1 Cor. 2:13).

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IF THE WORD isn’t flowing into you daily, you are falling away. Flood and fuel your heart and mind and body with the pure, the holy light of God’s Word daily and you will never famish! All darkness will be vanquished (Psalms 119:130). All who have been saved and yet aren’t in God’s Word and prayer daily – have rejected Christ, with no exception. Re-turn to the LORD prodigal. There’s no good outside of Christ the KING.

“The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.” Psalms 119:130

ALL who are not in God’s written Word daily are not hearing from God, do not have God’s wisdom and direction, and are walking in darkness – 100%.

The feeding of Christ’s flock would integrally involve exhorting them to diligently study and walk in God’s Word themselves, daily (John 21:15-17). Isn’t this exactly what the apostle Paul told Timothy to do? Yes. He told his understudy to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15)

One of the ways we know who the false ministers are, is that they want people dependent on THEM, not God. So, they don’t constantly exhort the people to get into God’s Word, the Holy Scriptures, for themselves. Run.

“This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.” Joshua 1:8 

“He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live. … My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. 21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. 22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh. 23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Proverbs 4:4, 20-23

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” Jeremiah 15:16

“Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.” Job 23:12

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” Colossians 3:16

“Over the last 5-10 years I can see where He has done this for me already, but the problem is …. it’s not enough! I want even more! One hour of study and prayer in the morning is not enough!” Christine

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