People don’t have a “mental health” problem, they have a SIN problem and sin is what gives way, gives full access to Satan!
“When people hear voices telling them to harm themselves or others, that’s not a chemical imbalance, it’s demon possession.” Rachel Gould
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Jeremiah 17:9
Jesus taught us that man’s sin comes out of his “desperately wicked” heart (Jer17:9; Mark 7:20-23).
The devil and his agents have created a million ways to divert us from stopping our lives, getting honest, taking personal responsibility, humbling ourselves, admitting our sins against God, and repenting.
“When David took his sin to God in Psalm 51 he took 100 percent responsibility! He did not blame Bathsheba and did not seek therapy or medications. He took his heart to God. Repented and pleaded with the Lord to forgive and cleanse him. And the Lord restored to him the joy of his salvation. David was truly broken before God. And the only answer he sought was the Lord.” Karen Cochran
“And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.” Mark 7:20-23
Mankind’s core dilemma is sin (Romans 1-3). Jesus Christ came and died to “save his people from their sins,“ to “taketh away the sin of the world,“ and not to merely deal with fallen man on a surface level as on a mental level (Matthew 1:21; John 1:29). God doesn’t band aid broken things, He heals and makes them whole to the root because the root determines the fruit (Matthew 12:33; Luke 4:18, etc.). Christ’s salvation is perfect. Evil is in our hearts and proceeds forth from that wicked heart until Christ regenerates us (Genesis 6:5, 12; Jeremiah 17:9; John 3:3, 7; Titus 3:5-7). This is why the sinner must of divine necessity be born again, must be made completely new “by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Titus 3:5-7). Then and not before then, the born again saint of Christ is made a “a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God” (2 Corinthians 5:17-18).
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. … 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” John 3:3, 7
Our alienated spiritual state while in sin, is not a mental health issue (Ephesians 2:1-3). Rather, sin is the spiritual state all men are in, separated from the life of God and under condemnation, until they are born again in Christ Jesus (John 3:1-8; 2 Corinthians 5:17-18; Titus 3:5-7, etc.).
Anyone attributing sin to “mental health” issues is a blinded false teacher who is preaching “another gospel” and is “accursed” (Galatians 1:6-9). Mental dysfunction is only coming from sin, it’s a mere symptom, not the root cause. Fallen man needs God – he needs the change of heart, a divine miracle at the core of his being – something the LORD alone can and will do when the individual repents and receives Christ (Acts 3:19; John 1:12-13, etc.).
Did Jesus come to die for sin or “mental health issues”?
“Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:29
SIN is man’s core issue. Seems like “mental health” gets blamed for much more than is fair. And, mental health issues emanate from man’s sin which only Jesus can cure. WE have ALL sinned against our Maker and yet He is so loving that He sent His only begotten Son to die for us while we were yet sinners (John 3:16; Romans 3:10, 23; 5:6-8). “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house” (Acts 16:31).
Human reasoning is debunked by the Word of God. Read Colossians 2:8-10. Those who walk with God, who truly love God and people, give the people HIS Word which plainly states “Ye MUST be born again” (John 3).
Anything else is a lie from a hateful counterfeit, a deceiver (Proverbs 27:5-6). Only Jesus can forgive sin and eradicate demons (Matthew 9:6; 26:28). Read Mark 5 concerning the demon possessed man who after Jesus set him free was “in his right mind” (Mark 5:15). Also, memorize James 4:7 and learn that there is no getting rid of Satan until there is true repentance through which God forgives the sin that previously gave Satan access, control over that person.
The “old man“ otherwise called “the flesh” in Scripture, must be “put off” or crucified by way of the daily cross – the crucified life (Ephesians 4:22; Colossians 3:8-10). So many who pretend to represent Christ today in the apostate modern church world often speak in terms of finding out things about ones self. This they do instead of citing and reading and teaching from God’s Word what the testimony of Scripture is about fallen mankind (Genesis 6:5, 12; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3, 7, etc.). The focus is on self whom they do not identify as “desperately wicked” and in need of the miracle of regeneration (John 3:3, 7; Titus 3:5-7). God’s only answer is the cross of Christ and when He saves a man, that man is to be crucified with Christ. When you do not hear these original Gospel essentials, identify such as a false ministry. None of these things are ever mentioned in the messages we hear coming from the false priesthood of wolves who have and are commandeering the apostate modern church world further into deception and disillusionment (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12). As was foretold, the great falling away has been on us for a while now (Amos 8:11; Matthew 7:15; 24:3-5, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2; 1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 3:13, etc..
The no sin nature people are missing the cross. The Mike Desario’s, the Charles Finney’s, and the Jesse Morrell’s of the world peddle the no-sin-nature heresy and also do not preach the cross, the crucified life. They rag on endlessly about “stopping all sin” but never mention the crucified life which is the only divine prescription for overcoming sin (Romans 6, etc.). That alone makes them false, peddlers of “another gospel.” (Galatians 1:6-9) This is why they can’t understand this. They do not realize that God gave us the solution to this sin bent (iniquity), this inherent in fallen man sin – and that answer is the crucified life which is at the heart of the original Gospel.
Christ alone is the cure FOR the curse of sin.
PSYCHO-BABBLE, PSYCHOTHERAPY IS A LIE THAT PROMISES ANSWERS WHILE ALLOWING ITS FALSE PROPHETS TO MILK THE VICTIMS OF ITS LIES (2 Peter 2:1-3).
No one needs psychology to notice and understand the flaws of the fallen man, of fallen in sin mankind. Psychology is a cheap imitation that offers zero solutions. The fathers of modern psychology were all unrepentant and vile and sinfully perverted men, children of satan. Jesus alone can forgive sin and make a man whole (Matthew 9:6; Luke 4:18, etc.). That’s why Heaven’s King came. Every other promise is a lie. The world has no answer for the sin that is the root cause of all of man’s ailments (Genesis 6:5, 12; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 1-3; 6-7, etc.). Jesus saves. Jesus forgives. Jesus makes whole – from the inside out – all the way to the root of the issue! Christ alone is the cure to the cancer of sin!
Clue: Mental health issues are merely the result of SIN! Christ’s solution to sin grants men to be in their “right mind” just like it did the demon possessed maniac at Gadara. After Jesus cast out the devils that had possessed him, and made this man whole (salvation), then it says this:
“And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.” Mark 5:15
“Mental illness” has taken center stage as the primary excuse for SIN and for justifying evil. Psychology is a lie. There is no solution in it. Only Jesus can cure the curse of sin! He died to do just that! Reject Him and you are Satan’s property!
The source of sin AND evil is rooted in Satan and is in the hearts of men. Christ alone can cure this curse.
Jesus came to raise men from their dead spiritual state. He alone can do such. He says “Ye must be born again” (John 3:3, 7).
“To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” Acts 26:18
Any person who is not genuinely born again, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ, IS the property of Satan and under his evil control.
“He that is not with me is against me…” Matthew 12:30
Reducing sin to “mental health issues” is an antichrist attack on Christ and His Gospel!
The increasing violence and evil we see erupting across our nation and world was foretold in God’s Word and is a manifestation of the evil, the wicked hearts of fallen men, unsaved men.
“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” 2 Timothy 3:13
Anyone not pointing out that you are a sinner separated from your Maker, and not pointing you to the salvation that is in Christ Jesus alone, is misleading you. Sinful man has no solution in and of himself. Only God Himself can make you whole. And, He desires to do just that! Today is your day to turn your life to God, to confess what He already knows – that you are a vile sinner. And to receive the salvation, the forgiveness of all your sins by receiving the perfect Lamb of God who was slain for your sins – to bring you to God! (John 1:12-13, 29)
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. … 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:12-13, 29
Those in sin are blind and can’t see this. They vainly believe that “reforms” can turn this tide of evil. But only God can solve this problem of sin and He will only do that where there is repentance and faith in Christ (Acts 20:21). Spiritual bankruptcy is only solved by repentance and being washed in the blood of Jesus Christ, who is the only answer to man’s sin problem. “What must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house” (Acts 16:30-31).
Those without God look within for reform when all there is is sin within. Reform is not what’s needed. Change is needed and only God can make that change in a man and He calls it “regeneration” and being “born again” (Titus 3:5-6; John 3:3, 7). Only the LORD can solve man’s sin problem and He did just that when He sent His only begotten Son for the sins of the world.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
Sin is man’s problem. Sin is at the root of man’s dilemma, not a “mental disorder” or disease (Colossians 2:8). Sin is man’s core problem from which all his ailments emanate (Genesis 6:5, 12; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 1 and 3, etc.).
“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.” Acts 17:30-31
The Bible never says “know thyself”!!! God’s Word commands all men to “repent,“ to submit to God (Acts 17:30; James 4:7). The Word says “DENY,“ crucify your evil self! Read Luke 9:23-24; Romans 6, etc.. When we look within the Bible we find that mankind is fallen and full of sin within. That sin must be forgiven at initial salvation and crucified for the remainder of the life of that disciple while on earth (Romans 6).
After Christ saves us, we don’t evolve into being a better “Christian.” No. There will always be that sinful, iniquitous nature called “the old man,“ which must be daily crucified as we “put on the new man.”
“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:” Colossians 3:9-10
The SINNER, the vile wretch I must first and foremost confront and continually crucify, is myself! (Read Rom 7:18, 24; Ps 39:4-5; Eccl 7:20.) It’s essential to begin to understand the flesh, the fallen man, the iniquitous old man, in order to realize what we’ve been saved from and what must be crucified daily. The cross is God’s solution, prescription to “put off the old man with his deeds.”
“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;” Ephesians 4:22
“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;” Colossians 3:9
What about this evil nature we all have….. what does Scripture reveal? Let’s talk about how the only solution is the cross, to X it out, to cancel, to crucify it to nothing, that Christ might reign – the Gospel reenacted in our daily lives – death, burial, resurrection. Saints, this truth must be explored, studied, and learned from God’s Word.
That evil, that iniquity working in us perhaps hastens us to His cross for forgiveness, mercy, and to put it off, crucify it. Have you noticed, like Paul, that it’s nothing but ugliness? Romans 7. One disciple writes:
“We want to TRY against evil (law and human effort) but the only way is to DIE to evil and be raised up with new life (grace).”
We must see the sin in our own evil hearts and repent, confess, and cry out to God to cleanse us (Psalms 51; 139:23-24; Matthew 5:8, etc.). Then, take up the cross and follow your Savior.
“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.” Ezekiel 18:30
The Bible says to examine yourself but it never says to look within yourself for any virtue or anything good at all because the heart is deceitful “above all things and desperately wicked”! (Read 2 Corinthians 13:5; Genesis 6:5, 12; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3, etc..)
“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” 2 Corinthians 13:5
Judge yourself in order to avoid damnation with the world:
“For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.” 1 Corinthians 11:31-32
God Himself is good and perfect and just and we are continually told to be “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God” (Hebrews 12:2).
Now read Hebrews 12:1-12 and know that God’s correction is simply the clear proof that He loves us – that we are HIS! Rejoice! Then read Revelation 3:19.
“As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” Revelation 3:19
GOD WILL NOT WORK IN OUR LIVES UNTIL WE OPENLY ADMIT AND ANNOUNCE OUR OWN UTTER DEPRAVITY, OUR POVERTY OF SPIRIT, AND CRY OUT TO HIM TO SAVE, DELIVER, AND MAKE US WHOLE – AS HE ALONE CAN DO!
Paramount to your understanding of divine redemption of the fallen race via the cross of Christ is your recognition, your understanding of the utter depravity of fallen mankind.
“Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:3
Note, “poor in spirit.” Not poor financially or religiously. The Greek word translated into English as “poor” is PTOCHOS. It means pauper, beggar, poor…..desperate and spiritually impoverished. Christ looks to desperate, hungry and thirsty people who want more of Him (Is. 66:2). Their hearts pant for more of Him (Ps. 42:1-2). They deeply desire more of His presence and Word.
ALL who seek to hide/cover their sins instead of repenting and forsaking them, will perish (Proverbs 28:13).
“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.” Proverbs 28:13
“Repentance is to TAKE SIDES with God against yourself. It is a CHANGE of attitude toward SELF, toward SIN, toward GOD, toward CHRIST that is so REAL that it RESULTS in a changed life. It is raising the WHITE FLAG in SURRENDER to God and turning to Christ as your only LORD and Savior. Repentance is NOT a work … works are the fruit of repentance (Ephesians 2:8-10).” Trent Austin
The Truth about Fallen Mankind – That Includes You!
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” Genesis 6:5
“And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.” Genesis 6:12
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Jeremiah 17:9
“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. … O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” Romans 7:18, 24
Is Romans 7 Before or After Paul’s Salvation?
Defusing the iniquity of self-righteousness increases exponentially when we begin learning the biblical doctrine of fallen mankind (Genesis 6:5, 12; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 7:18; Psalms 39:4-5).
Don’t trust yourself, trust God and deny self! “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered” (Proverbs 26:28).
Only Satan and his children live by the diabolical edict of “be true to yourself.” Knowing how wretched they are of themselves, without Christ, those who are known of God live by “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths” (Proverbs 3:5-6).
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.” Romans 3:19
There’s a difference between justifying sin and honestly admitting the truth – that we are nothing and in utter need of an abiding felloship and union with Jesus! There is no justifying the sin Jesus died to forgive and deliver us FROM! (See Matthew 1:21; John 1:29; Romans 6:1-2.) One of those sins is self-reliance/pride/self-righteousness – self idolatry – which leads us to not admit our utter present and perpetual need for divine mercy and grace! (Read Matthew 5:3; Romans 7:18.) You are nothing and do nothing to please God without Jesus, even in your “best state” (Psalms 39:4-5; John 15:5).
Satan is not only the king of self-love and the result of being alienated from God, but also “he is a king over all the children of pride.” (Job 41:34)
Anyone living in the sin of pride instead of humility is in the grip of Satan himself!
“They are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.” Romans 3:9-10
Why was there the judgment of the Noahic flood? Why will there be judgment in the future?
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” Genesis 6:5
Man is by nature and therefore in deeds sinful. After the first man and woman the LORD created sinned, death (spiritual separation) passed upon all men born after them (Rom. 5:12).
“Repent” is the very first word of the Gospel (Matt. 3:2; 4:17) and men cannot and will not realize the need to repent and believe in Jesus Christ if they aren’t first shown that their core problem is the sin that separates them from their beloved Creator.
“But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.” Isaiah 59:2
It is the false teacher/leader who refuses to hold up this foundational truth since the realization of it doesn’t make people feel good about themselves and that is what the deceiver aims for in order to position people to support his ministry.
“Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.” Lamentations 2:14
According to what the Holy Spirit reveals to us here in Lamentations 2:14 concerning false leaders, we should discern those we listen to very closely. He tells us here that false prophets do not discover or uncover and deal with what God calls sin. Paul did (1 Cor. 6:9-10; Gal. 5:19-21, etc.). Jesus did (Mk. 7:20-23; 9:43-49, etc.). The apostle John dealt with the issue of sin (1 Jn. 1-2:2; 3:1-10; Rev. 21:8, 27, etc.).
Laughably, false teacher James Dobson says that lack of self esteem is man’s root problem. Total diabolical lie!
Instead of tending to the things that matter to the LORD, counterfeit leaders today deal with surface issues – “vain and foolish things…false burdens.” Any man in leadership who refuses to deal with sin by name and head on, is false. He is so very puffed up in his own fleshly mind that he thinks he is wiser than the Almighty and vainly believes and reasons out that he knows more about what men need than the infinite One who made man. Regardless of his reasoning, any person in leadership who does not address sin and the holiness of God, is completely false. Please allow this writer to encourage you to do an inventory on those leaders you are currently listening to and run for your life if any of them are not addressing what the LORD told us violates His holiness.
NEVER EVER LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT MANKIND IS FALLEN. IT STARTED WHEN THE VERY FIRST MAN AND WOMAN CHOSE TO REBEL AGAINST OUR MAKER. SIN IS MAN’S CORE PROBLEM, NEED, AND ISSUE. ONLY CHRIST CAN CURE THE CURSE OF SIN AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHY HE CAME.
The heart of the “wise virgin” believer is flooded with the light of God through daily diligent study of His Word (Psalms 119:130). What most don’t realize is that darkness immediately descends upon the heart left unattended – the heart not daily receiving the light of divine truth through diligent study of the Holy Scriptures (2 Timothy 2:15). The heart left without the bright shining light of God’s Word shining into it daily, WILL revert back to type – darkness, iniquity, “desperately wicked,” “only evil continually” (Genesis 6:5, 12; Jeremiah 17:9, etc.).
The ministerial beguiler, whose goal is not to fear and please God but rather to build a bigger church congregation, has to remove Bible doctrines that sting the conscience (Isaiah 30:9-10; 2 Timothy 4:2-4). God’s desire is to prick or sting the conscience of man in order to bring to him conviction of his sin and repentance. Yet the wolf who hides in sheep garb must entertain and only speak of smooth things that do not interrupt the lifestyles of those he seeks to gain and keep the support of (Matthew 7:15). Regrettably and yet in fulfillment of prophecy, the landscape of the visible church world is littered with such false teachers (2 Timothy 3:13).
“That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits.” Isaiah 30:9-10
Sinful man betrays his own eternal soul in seeking to console himself in order that he might continue to enjoy his temporary pleasures. Beguilers in leadership refuse to interrupt this death march of the wicked (many who believe they are saved). There is no end to the false prophets who have risen to accommodate such a state of depravity. Oh, just think of the light fanfare messages and book titles that entice men to experience the self life to the fullest. “Your Best Life Now” is one that comes to mind. If the premise of this book by Joel Osteen were biblical, it would have been titled “Your Best Life THEN.” Why do I state this? Jesus guaranteed that those who truly follow Him would “be hated of all men for my name’s sake” and that many would be killed for following Him and promised that His Father was preparing “mansions” in Heaven for those who endured to the end (Matt. 10:22; 24:10-13; Jn. 14:1-6). In direct contrast to Osteen, we see that Jesus Christ taught that the best life for His true followers would be then not now. Suffering with joy and grace to sustain us now (in this short life) and eternal bliss then is the consistent message of Scripture (2 Cor. 4:16-18; Phil. 1:29). Do you remember that the prodigal (apostate) son departed from his father only when he demanded his best life now? See Luke 15.
“And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.” Luke 21:16-17
Below is an example of the most obvious false teacher in America and yet there are “many,” “many,” other false teachers as Jesus repeatedly told us there would be in this late hour (Matthew 7:15; 24:4-5, 11, 24):
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15
“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.” Matthew 24:11
“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:24
Jesus Christ or Osteen? Who’s False?
BEWARE of the message of the many self-exalting, Christ-demoting Luciferic Wolves of this late hour! Isaiah 14:12-15 says it all! The 5 “I”‘s of Lucifer!
Joel Osteen / Lakewood Church have as their slogan “Discover the Champion in You.” That’s because it’s all about YOU (idol) in their luciferic theology/mythology! But what champion? WHO is the true Champion? Who is the mere depraved pauper utterly unworthy to be forgiven and saved?
Did Jesus, Paul, or any of the apostles use any such language as “discover the champion in you”? No! Does the Bible teach that we are to discover JESUS or something in our own depraved, wicked nature?
“The only champion in me is God! And last I checked I didn’t need to unlock him!” Ray Zeitler
This spineless moral coward, Joel Osteen, who deceitfully poses as a Christian leader, holds up a Bible in his services and has everyone repeat these words with him: “This is my Bible, I am what it says I am…” BUT does Joel even begin to believe this? Do those he is leading astray believe this?
When is the last time your favorite author brought forth these divinely-inspired words spoken by the very Son of God? When is the last time Joel Osteen preached on suffering (a major theme of Holy Scripture)?
Stop for a moment and ask yourself 2 simple and important questions:
1) Why won’t Joel Osteen and other deceivers communicate these words of Jesus?
2) Why do they pick and choose and always come up with easy things to say that won’t offend people?
Osteen says:
- “I don’t get deep and theological.” Joel Osteen, New York Times July 18,2005
An internet search using key words “Osteen quotes” will turn up mostly new age, positive thinking sites. Why? Because the world of sinners gladly receives those who will not communicate the biblical truth that they are sinners and need to be born again. It seems from observing the above quote and Joel’s ministry, that Osteen only gets as “theological” as is necessary to draw the “Christian” crowd and support. As you will see in his many self-actualization type positive thinking quotes, Osteen has enough wherewithal to invent these self-sayings and yet chooses not to “get deep and theological.” How telling.
When speaking before a lost sea of human souls on national television, Osteen openly denies Bible truth and Jesus Christ (see Joel Osteen Exposed). He never hints that sin is man’s core problem and that the blood of Christ’s cross is the only solution. Like it or not – This alone makes Joel Osteen a bona fide false prophet.
Contrast this: Joel makes people feel good about themselves while living in their sins, while Jesus Christ identifies then cleanses the sins of men, giving them the deep peace He alone shed His own life blood to give them.
Do men need a band-aid or the only real solution that gets to the root of their dilemma?
Who will you believe? – the mere sinner Joel Osteen, or Jesus Christ, the nail-scarred risen Savior and LORD who died for all your sins? Is sin an offense against the one true holy God or did Jesus come in vain to the earth to pay for the sins of the whole world? Who is the liar in your mind and heart?
So you think Joel Osteen is a nice guy? Does he make you feel good? Does Osteen have nail-scarred hands and feet? Did Joel die for your sins? Did Osteen rise from the dead to justify you before a holy God and Judge? Is Joel Osteen coming back from Heaven for you?
What about Jesus Christ? Is He a nice guy? What did He do for you? Do you believe in Him? You sure? If so, you completely embrace every single thing He gave you in His Word and it takes complete and superior precedence over the words of any other mere man or men – “yea, let God be true, but every man a liar.” (Rom. 3:4)
Is Jesus Christ the only way to God and Heaven or did Christ lie to us all? Discern for yourself: Below is a partial transcript from the “Larry King Live” (CNN), Monday, June 20th, 2005 Interview with Pastor Joel Osteen:
KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know …
KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?
JOEL OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong….But I just think that only God will judge a person’s heart.
KING: You don’t call them sinners?
JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t.
KING: Is that a word you don’t use?
JOEL OSTEEN: I don’t use it.
CALLER: I’m wondering, though, why you side-stepped Larry’s earlier question about how we get to heaven? The bible clearly tells us that Jesus is the way, the truth and the light and the only way to the father is through him. That’s not really a message of condemnation but of truth.
KING: So then a Jew is not going to heaven?
JOEL OSTEEN: No. Here’s my thing, Larry, is I can’t judge somebody’s heart. You know? Only God can look at somebody’s heart, and so — I don’t know. To me, it’s not my business to say, you know, this one is or this one isn’t. And I just I think it’s wrong when you go around saying, you’re saying you’re not going, you’re not going, you’re not going, because it’s not exactly my way.
I’m just…
KING: What about atheists?
JOEL OSTEEN: You know what, I’m going to let someone — I’m going to let God be the judge of who goes to heaven and hell.
The Son of God asks:
“Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?” Matthew 16:13
Who shall you believe? Does Osteen have a Bible? Has he read it and believed it or is he simply using certain parts of it for his own advantage and calling Jesus Christ, the very Son of God a liar? Weigh the following quotes from Jesus Christ against what Osteen told the world on Larry King Live. Christ stated:
“I am THE way (not a way)…no man cometh unto the Father but by me.” (Jn. 14:6)
“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” (Mk. 16:16)
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (Jn. 3:36)
Is Jesus Christ a liar or is Joel Osteen a deceiver and a liar? Hint: Can’t be both. You must choose. Jesus said “He that is not with me IS against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.” (Matt. 12:30)
Osteen clearly denies Jesus Christ and His words and is therefore under the judgment of God (Mk. 8:38). Why would any authentic, born again believer want to support his ministry? Why would any caring believer not warn others of such falsity in order to protect them in the truth?
When the smooth talking false leader goes into the Bible to pick and choose what he wants to say to the people, he has to intentionally ignore and dodge volumes of statements/Scriptures like this that the Son of God spoke. This is because he is doing ministry for himself and not truly for Christ. If he were truly serving the LORD, He would openly and without shame proclaim the full counsel of His precious Word/truth (Ps. 119:104, 128; Prov. 30:5; Mk. 8:38; Jn. 8:47; Acts 20:20, 27). What did Jesus tell us was going to happen to those who denied Him?
“Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.” Luke 12:8-9
The forever fires of eternal damnation await these vast audiences, but do you think the slew of self-serving entertainers care? Are they not likened to the preying “brood of vipers” Jesus cited in Matthew 23?
In the 5th chapter of Jeremiah, the Holy Spirit gives some detailed insight into the world of religion and how it all works as an industry. He speaks of the false leadership, giving earmark, identifying characteristics and how the people (those who support the deceivers) gladly participate in this treason against the LORD.
“Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you. 26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men. 27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. 28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge. 29 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this? 30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; 31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?” Jeremiah 5:25-31
While their sins were holding back good blessings from them, the false prophets were catering to the people and telling the people what they wanted to hear and not what God wanted to tell them. This is the first thing to learn in discerning a false leader – they don’t preach the naked truth from God’s Word. Nothing has changed. There is no new thing under the sun friends (Eccl. 1:7; 1 Cor. 10:13). Were we not warned of this same scenario transpiring in the very last days of this age? – a mutual mutiny (rebellion) against the LORD involving false prophets and the people who make their reign of treason and deceit possible by supporting them? (Read 1 Tim. 4:1-5; 2 Tim. 3:1-7, 13; 4:1-5.) Both parties are equally guilty before God and impending judgment awaits all who do not repent and begin exposing false prophets instead of supporting them – “what will ye do in the end thereof?” (See Jeremiah 5:31.) It is a biblical mandate to mark (not cover for) false teachers and teachings (Rom. 16:17-18; Eph. 5:11; Jude 3-4).
Let’s look closer at Jeremiah 5:31 above. Note that there are 3 players mentioned by God here – prophet, priest, and people:
- “The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means” – the leaders were working together (prophets & priests) to bring mutually satisfying returns to their own coffers.
- “my people love to have it so” – those who claimed to know the LORD loved hearing things that made them feel good in the now, so they could enjoy their best life now. These people are not valiant for the truth and do not want to deal with what God says is sin against His holiness. They had no thought of eternity and what was ahead in the fierce and horrible Judgment of the God they would soon stand before to give account. Like those today, the false prophets in Israel had intentionally ignored and removed from the people the doctrines of judgment to come, the essential of personal holiness, sin, eternal damnation, etc..
- “what will ye do in the end thereof?” – what will be the end of those who were led astray by these deceivers? What will be the end of those who support such falsehood and false prophets? Without repentance (before it’s too late) these people truly are experiencing their best life now – because damnation awaits both parties.
The Intoxicating Effect of Self-Serving Reciprocal Falsity
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3-4
Speaking of the facilitation of false prophets by His people, the LORD said “my people love to have it so” (Jer. 5:31). Of all the deceivers peddling their wares today, warring against the LORD Almighty, none seem to have made inroads into the hearts of people like Joel Osteen. I have talked to dozens of people who believe they are truly following Christ, who have bought into Osteen’s new age feel-good message sprinkled with a few Scriptures. Like the days of Jeremiah, there seems to be a soul-tie between false prophet and people. From what I hear coming from those who listen to Osteen, it seems that Joel makes people feel so good about themselves (with no need to change-repentance) that they have been intoxicated by that feeling and lost track of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. These people are truly not enduring “sound doctrine; but after their own lusts” are heaping “to themselves teachers, having itching ears (unpurged sinful lusts).” They have turned away their ears from the truth, and been turned unto fables.
Concerning the Lost
Sin is mankind’s root dilemma and Jesus is the only Solution.
Be not deceived: the Bible informs us that man’s core problem is the sin that separates him from his holy Maker. How can one aggrandize the preciousness of the Savior if he doesn’t first realize the depth of his own depravity and need for God’s forgiveness? He simply cannot. So, give the lost the law (Ten Commandments) and let the LORD convict and break them, bringing them to repentance and into His glorious salvation (Gal. 3:24).
“The heart of the human problem is the problem of the human heart.” unknown
The only SOULution to man’s sin dilemma is the blood of the sole soul Savior.
“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” Matthew 26:28
“Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:29
“But God commendeth (displayed) his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Romans 5:8-9
“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” 1 Timothy 1:15
Beloved, this fundamental biblical truth (above) is utterly essential to memorize in these last days where the enemy’s lies are going to increase yet more and more, deceiving those who are not soundly standing and rooted and grounded in the love and truth of the LORD Jesus Christ (2 Thess. 2:10-12; 2 Tim. 3:13-4:5). Hordes of deceivers (as clearly foretold) operate feverishly in the ministry, psychologizing the faith and leading millions astray (Acts 20:20, 27-32). Don’t be a casualty. Devour His precious precepts that you might fully love and please the One who bled and rose again for your sins and endure to the end as we await His soon return from Heaven (Matt. 10:22, 24:10-13; 1 Thess. 1:10).
Ready Or Not – Jesus Is Coming.
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MAN’S GREATEST IGNORANCE IS OF HIMSELF…….YOU ARE CREATED WITH UNLIMITED POTENTIAL…..
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Brother, the first thing man must receive the knowledge of is His depraved, sinful state. Gen. 6:5, 12; Jer. 17:9, Rom. 7:18, 24, etc. This is a luciferic myth that is leading millions astray who think they know Christ. Delusion! Man cannot possibly appreciate and glorify God until they begin to realize the depth of their own depravity! We have to be brought to the lowest depths of the realization of our utter depravity before Him who is “Holy, holy, holy” before we can be anything in God.
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Pride and False Prophets [podcast]
“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.” Matthew 24:11
What’s the difference between true and false servants of the LORD?
Jeremiah 23 is essential concerning recognizing the “MANY false prophets” which Jesus foretold would “deceive MANY” in this late hour before His return (Matthew 24:11).
True servants of the LORD stand in the counsel, the WORD of the LORD and not in the evil imaginations, dreams, or visions of their own wicked hearts.
Jeremiah 23
“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.”
ARE YOU in God’s Word daily or have you backslidden? It’s either one or the other.
True servants of the LORD, as was the case with Paul and Timothy, will get YOU into God’s Word for yourself…
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15
“As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:” 1 Peter 2:2
So both the LORD’s apostle Paul and the apostle Peter instructed believers to get into the Word of God for themselves – to “study” and to “desire” it. Any man pretending to represent Christ and not do this very thing repeatedly is a bona fide wolf in sheep’s clothing, a devil.
Imagine parents who continued to feed their infant and never taught that baby to pick up the spoon and feed themself…. so that child would perpetually be dependent upon someone else feeding them…. in the natural this is unheard of, yet it’s rampant in that which claims to be Christ’s “church.”
Read Jeremiah 23.
“But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.” James 4:6-10
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1
Pride vs Humility
“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16:18) True humility before God first, then men, always wins – “Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.” (James 4:10)
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Salvation is Not a One-Time Experience but a Lifelong Walk [podcast]
WE’VE BEEN LIED TO!
Salvation begins at a one time born again event and is ordained of the Savior to be for a lifetime and into eternal glory with Christ and His saints.
“And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:” Revelation 2:26
Christ’s work is finished, not yours (John 19:30). According to Holy Scripture, if you’ve been truly born again, you must abide in Christ, remain in Him, endure to the end or you will be cast into the fires of eternal damnation (John 15:6; Matthew 10:22; 24:13, etc.).
“Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” Revelation 2:10
Enduring “to the end” is a condition for ultimately being in Heaven with the LORD.
“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 10:22
The LORD Jesus and His apostles never once used the words “once saved always saved” or “eternal security.” So, who’s lying? What they did teach contradicts such a notion.
Who did Jesus promise is going to be “saved”?
“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” Matthew 24:11-13
You MUST “walk in the light” of truth to the end of your life on earth to be with Jesus eternally (1 John 1:7). Only THEN will you be eternally secure!
“But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” 1 John 1:7
Since when is obedience to the truth legalism or works salvation?
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:4
Actually, if a person doesn’t have the fruit of good works in their life, it’s because either they have not yet truly been saved or due to their falling away (1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Peter 2:20-21, etc.).
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” Titus 1:16
Who’s Going to Heaven and Who’s Not?
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21
Who’s going to be with Christ eternally according to the Son of God?
“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.” Revelation 17:14
Those who are “called, and chosen, and faithful.” God calls and chooses “ALL men to be saved” and yet it’s only those who repent, become converted and endure to the end (“faithful”) who will reign with Him eternally (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; 1 Timothy 2:4). He calls and desires all men to be saved and yet He will only save those who obey Him by repenting and putting their faith in Christ.
EVER WONDER why the OSAS adherent is often extremely vigorous about defending the unconditional eternal security sham he has bought into? What’s at stake for him? Why does he defend this teaching that has no ground in Scripture and that he has learned of men and devils?
The lame, refuses-to-take-personal-responsibility eternal securist hides behind his false facade that nothing he does including sin or doesn’t do affects or is related to his “relationship” with Christ. The word “fruit” appears 67 times in the New Testament canon. So is fruit important to the LORD? Good fruit, which includes good works doesn’t save us but it’s the clear proof that we know Him who came to do us and all mankind good by dying to bring us back to God (John 3:16).
PEOPLE who are hiding behind this satanic lie told by the serpent in the Garden become immediately irate and infuriated when the thin sham veneer of their pretention and self-preservation is pulled open by the truth. The light of truth shines into their darkened hearts. These want nothing at all to do with personal responsibility (Titus 1:16). They don’t care what the Bible teaches. They don’t want their little “eternal security” “I’m saved no matter what” myth busted because they are rebels at heart and refuse to truly surrender – which is what true repentance involves.
We need not kid ourselves, the fruit of our lives demonstrates clearly to God and man who we really are. Jesus taught “For EVERY tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.” (Luke 6:44) …. “Even a child is known by his doings (works), whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.” (Proverbs 20:11)
The Calvinist and eternal securist wants to put the whole responsibility of salvation upon God because he wants no part of personal responsibility to “Be ye holy; for I am holy.” (1 Peter 1:15-16) This is cowardly is it not? “Fearful” in Revelation 21:8 means cowardly and the lake of fire awaits all who are.
“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16
If you die in sin, HELL is where you end up in (Ezekiel 33:12-13).
What does Hebrews 12:14 guarantee us?
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” Hebrews 12:14
God sent His Son to pay the full price “for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD” and those He calls and chooses must be “faithful” or full of faith “to the end” or they will be shut out of the eternal kingdom just as the five foolish virgins were who ran out of oil due to neglecting fellowship with the Bridegroom (Jesus) (1 John 2:2; Revelation 17:14; Mathew 10:22; 24:13). See Matthew 25:1-13.
Explain why we think a bride to be can be unfaithful, commit adultery, fornicate, just before the wedding, and still be accepted as the bride at her scheduled wedding. Delusional. If such were the case, why is this not illustrated, why does it contradict Jesus’ parable of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25:1-13?
If we don’t truly repent and become “honest” with the whole counsel of God’s Word and rather live our one life on lies, namely, the myth that we are “eternally secure”, we shall find ourselves in the domain of the damned, from which we shall never escape (Luke 8:11-15).
Anyone Going to Argue with Jesus?
Jesus taught us that one who is in Him (saved) must abide or remain in Him or that person will be “cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned (hell).”
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned (hell).” John 15:1-6
Yes, salvation begins in the life of the sinner who has been drawn in and found by Christ and chooses to repent and put His faith in Jesus (John 1:12; 6:47; Acts 16:31; 20:21; Romans 3-5; Ephesians 2:8-9, etc.). Initial salvation is instant and yet that’s not the end of it … according to the record of the New Testament Scriptures. Christ and His holy apostles never spoke in terms of salvation being a one-time done deal.
Paul makes it clear that saving grace does NOT abound toward, in the life of any person who has been saved and yet is now living outside of Christ’s stated will, His Word.
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” Romans 6:1-2
It’s time to get into the Word friends and cease to walk in delusions.
What is the agent that will cleanse the Great Tribulation saints? (Revelation 7:14) – “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
The washing we are to receive of God by the cleansing blood of Jesus is not a one-time event but rather a lifelong walk/experience. Such is our walk with Christ – it’s an abiding relationship and to abide means to remain (John 15:1-6). And if we don’t remain in Him – we shall be “cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” (John 15:6) (more on this verse in a moment)
“But IF IF IF IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” 1 John 1:7
There are conditions for continuing to remain, to abide in Christ’s saving grace. Only counterfeits refuse to acknowledge this. They want no part with personal repentance, laying down their lives in this fleeting world, and truly following Jesus. No, they want the crown but not the cross. They don’t love Jesus enough to truly serve Him and so they buy into diabolical systems like the heretical “eternal security” or calvinistic systems.
The vast majority of pastors and writers today are in gross darkness and treat salvation as a one-time event instead of an abiding, a remaining walk with Christ “to the end” of our lives (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; John 15:1-6; Col. 1:23; Heb. 3:6, 12-15; 10:26-39, etc.). Many have espoused these lies because they have not chosen to get diligently and deeply into God’s Word for themselves but have rather followed other men’s selective line through Scripture. Those who aren’t diligently studying God’s Word daily are “not valiant for the truth” and will therefore be turned over to delusion and ultimately damned (Jer. 9:3; 2 Thess. 2:10-12).
“And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies (they go to the furthest lengths to embrace lies): but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.” Jeremiah 9:3
Those who do not love divine truth (the Holy Scriptures) manifest plainly that they do not love He who is “the truth.” (John 14:6) God takes that personally and will actually help or assist in their delusions and damnation.
“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
God is able and will keep all who trust Him to the end and do not deny Him:
“Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.” Jude 24-25
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5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not “blot out” his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
For something to be “blotted out” (i.e. removed) it would had to have been there in order to be “blotted out” which totally contradicts the theory of “once saved always saved.”
So, who is saved?
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Consider the warning to the church of Ephesus:
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast “left thy first love.”
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and REPENT, and do they first works;[or else] I will come into thee quickly, and remove thy candlestick out of his place, expect thou repent.
Laodicean Warning:
“And unto the angel of the church of Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, [the faithful and true witness], the beginning of the creation of God. 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot,I would thou wert hot or cold. 16 [So then] BECAUSE thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,I will spue thee out of my mouth.” Revelation 3:14-16 pass it on – Heaven Guaranteed to all who have Received Jesus?
Amen, never to depart from the Christ, he shall walk with us as we endure till the end!
“I will never leave thee nor forsake thee.” Hebrews 13:5 Not never will you leave me nor forsake me. We’re sheep, we have natural, fleshly tendency to wander. Ever reminding us how crucial it is to continuously follow the Christ.
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye [endure] chastening, (there’s that word endure again) God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he that the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof ALL are partakers, then ye are bastards,(illegitimate) and not sons. Hebrews 12:6-8
The elect of Christ have and will experience chastening, and no matter the discomfort in and through it, we always rejoice and know there’s purpose (to the glory of our Christ) as we “endure.”
– check this out – Will Everyone Jesus has Saved be in Heaven?
Reply Received:
“Where do I begin. Every person born of God, WILL be faithful. Even if they are faithless, He remains faithful because He can NOT deny Himself. We are HIDDEN in Christ, and seated with Him right now in the heavenlies. We have passed from death to LIFE. This is an event that is unchangeable. God causes it to occur and doesn’t change His mind. He adopts us. Permanently.
Context is everything. It is king. It determines what a passage actually means. Did you know Todd, that God has saved you forever? It’s great to be free and assured of that. Are you afraid He might not keep you to the end? It’s His desire and intent to do that, bro.
Reply Back:
We only have security in Christ AS we are abiding – remaining – in an intimate relationship with Him.
According to Jesus in John 15, “If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire (hell), and they are burned.” (Jn. 15:6)
In order to receive final salvation, one must abide or remain in Christ (Jn. 15:5-6). There is no guarantee that God’s seed will “remain” in the person who is born again and later departs from the LORD.
What you are doing is simply spouting off what you have been taught of mere sinful men…. speaking of context, let’s look at the context of what you partially quoted, conveniently and selectively excluding the whole context:
2 Timothy 2:11-13
“It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.” 2 Timothy 2:11-13
The person seeking to convince others of “once saved always saved” will misquote this text by saying that because “he (God) abideth faithful” He would never “deny us.” This is a distortion. Let’s read the verse again okay? The passage states that “if we deny him, he also will deny US.” The Word here tells us that “if we deny him, he also will deny US.” Does it get any clearer than this? Being honest with what the Bible says is essential to a clear conscience and to possessing the mind of Christ and true doctrine. Again, those who seek to make palatable the unconditional security teaching can be heard misquoting this text saying “He cannot deny us.” Is that what verse 13 says? No. It says “He cannot deny HIMSELF.” This passage tells us that He “will deny us” if we “deny him” and that “He cannot deny Himself,” not us. In this Bible passage we see that the LORD “abideth faithful”to Himself and to those who do not deny Him. Didn’t Jesus tell us to “deny” ourselves and that if we were “ashamed” of Him or His words He would be “ashamed” of us? See Luke 9:23-24 and Mark 8:34-38.
Below is a classic perversion of this very passage of Scripture. I read this on the internet. The persuasion intended by the person who wrote this is to convince people of something the Bible simply never puts forth.
“If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.” 2 Timothy 2:13 – God wants you to know for sure that you cannot lose it (salvation) under any circumstance whatsoever, even in the worse scenario. The first part of the verse above says that we can come to a state of mind that we do not believe in God anymore. But, the second says that He will remain faithful if that happens…God cannot deny what He said, because God cannot lie! (Hebrews 6:18 KJV AV1611) He promised to keep us eternally secure and He will remain faithful in that promise even if we ‘believe not.’ Another possible way of looking at ‘he cannot deny himself’ is that we are one in Him. If He was not faithful in His promise, He would be denying himself of eternal security, that is, He would be casting part of himself in eternal damnation in the lake of fire.” J. A.
First off, if in fact as J.A. supposes, “God wants you to know for sure that you cannot lose it (salvation) under any circumstance whatsoever, even in the worse scenario,” then why did God Himself warn His very own people throughout His Word concerning the danger of:
• “Departing from the living God” (Heb. 3:12-15)
• Losing the reward of Heaven for turning back into sin after being saved (Ezek. 33:12-13; 2 Pet. 2:20-21)
• “Falling away” (Lk. 8:13; 2 Thes. 2:3)
• “Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith” (1 Tim. 5:12)
• Being “cut off” (Rom. 11:19-23)
• Being forsaken of Him (2 Chron. 15:2; Ezra 8:22; 2 Tim. 2:12)
• Being blotted out of the book of life (Exod. 32:33; Ps. 69:32; Rev. 3:5; 22:18-19)
The fact that God remains faithful in no way predicts or determines whether individuals will partake of His plan of salvation. His faithfulness in no way forces men to remain faithful (abide), nor does it disable the Almighty from rendering a due reward of eternal judgment upon those who do not meet His requirements/conditions. This is a truth completely ignored by those who embrace the unscriptural notion of an unconditional eternal security.
“For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar …” Romans 3:3-4
All sin will be accounted for – one way or the other, and this is the reason for the Judgment Thrones to come (Exod. 34:7; Rom. 14:12-14; Rev. 20:11-15). This should shine yet a brighter light upon the glorious Gospel salvation Jesus Christ wrought for His people and how we can “come boldly” with our sins to His holy throne of grace to receive grace and mercy in time of need (Heb. 4:14-16).
It seems to me, after listening to hundreds of those who believe in an unconditional eternal security, that some people believe that their theology is going to change the unchanging, immutable God (Rom. 3:3-4; James 1:17). The twisting of Scripture, instead of “rightly dividing the word of truth” is done to one’s “own destruction.” (2 Cor. 2:17; 2 Tim. 2:15; 2 Pet. 3:16-17) The disciple of Jesus Christ must be intent upon studying to show himself “approved unto God,” not men, and therefore be able to “rightly” divide “the word of truth.” (2 Tim. 2:15) The person who does not diligently study and know God’s Word, stands to be deluded by the many false teachings circulated in the church world.
What happens if a saved person does not obey and remain faithful to God? Those who do not choose to persevere in saving faith:
• Possess “an evil heart of unbelief” (Heb. 3:12)
• Depart from the living God (Heb. 3:12)
• Cannot and do not please God (Heb. 11)
• Depart from the faith through “doctrines of devils” (1 Tim. 4:1-6)
• “Turn away their ears from the truth” and are “turned unto fables” (2 Tim. 4:4)
• Cannot enter into His rest or presence (Heb. 3:19; 4:6, 11)
• Are “broken off” from the LORD (Rom. 11:20)
• The “unbelieving…shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone …” (Rev. 21:8, 27)
The Bible never guarantees that all Christ saves will automatically “endure to the end” which Jesus says is essential to ultimately being saved into Heaven when speaking to His very own people (Matt. 10:22; 24:13). Christ Himself invented the term “fall away” when speaking of those who would “believe” and be saved and not continue with Him (Lk. 8:13).
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YOUR PRAYER: Father in Heaven, in the name of Jesus, please prepare me, use me. Make me a consummate soul winner. In Jesus’ name.
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“This message (podcast) sure nailed the state of America. Rotten to the very foundation. God’s judgment and fury is falling! His very name is being mocked! As so-called Christians participate in and celebrate what He calls an abomination (Leviticus 18:22), and teaching this to children! Where are the parents? Why are they not standing up for their kids? Why are they not pulling them out of these indoctrinated government run schools? Because the men are weak (Ahabs) and the women are Jezebels and busy working. So the children are left on their own. It starts at such an early age they do not know it is happening. No biblical foundation is why kids are murdering kids! No sense of right or wrong anymore. We are a cursed nation because we have deviated from the standards of God in rebellion and disobedience! God will not bless anything that is abomination to Him.” Karen Cochran
Does the unchanging LORD still allow persecution and for His people to be “scattered abroad”?
“And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
Philip Proclaims Christ in Samaria
4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
8 And there was great joy in that city.” Acts 8:1-8
Persecution had hit Jerusalem and Christ’s saints were prepared and “scattered abroad” to go and preach Christ’s Gospel to the world.
Concerning people being “scattered abroad,” one source notes:
“Scattered abroad is a common biblical phrase primarily known from the King James Version (KJB) of the Bible. It describes the physical dispersion, spreading, or migration of a group of people. The concept holds both historical and theological significance, typically representing:
- Divine Judgment and Dispersion (Old Testament): In Genesis 11, God scatters humanity across the face of the earth and confuses their languages after their rebellion at the Tower of Babel. It also refers to the exile and historical dispersion (the diaspora) of the Israelites for rejecting God’s covenant.
- The Spread of the Gospel (New Testament): In the early Christian church, intense persecution in Jerusalem caused believers to scatter throughout various regions. Instead of destroying the movement, this dispersion inadvertently spread their message. For example, Acts 8:4 states: “Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.”
- Encouragement to Believers: In the New Testament, the opening of the Epistle of James (James 1:1) is famously addressed to the “twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,” offering pastoral comfort to Jewish Christians facing trials in foreign lands.”
Any nation that is even discussing whether or not there are more than 2 genders is doomed.
Does God desire to scatter abroad, to spread His people across the world?
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.” Mark 16:15-20
The LORD would never bless a nation that glorifies what He condemns. ANYONE who thinks America is or will ever be blessed without repentance…. is extremely gullible and deceived. Sodom! Ezekiel 16:49-51
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” Leviticus 18:22
A good thing to ask proud Americans who claim they are Christians:
1. “When’s the last time you personally led someone to Jesus?”
2. “How much time and how much energy do you spend trying in vain to “save America” or “Make America Great Again” compared to the time and energy you spend learning, studying, and meditating on God’s Word and doing it—as in the Great Commission?”
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21
Anyone claiming to be Christ’s and yet is not doing, is not obeying His Great Commission mandate, is not in the will of God.
PRAYER: Father in the name of Jesus, may Your people cry out to You today for the lost souls of fallen men for whom You sent Your only begotten Son to die (John 3:16-17). May we be blessed to cry out for that which most concerns You! In Jesus’ name.
As God looks down from Heaven…. here’s what He sees, here’s what breaks His holy heart ….
“Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?” Proverbs 15:11
SOUND LIKE THE MODERN CHURCH IN AMERICA?
“And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.” Mark 11:17
“11:17 Combining quotations from Isaiah and Jeremiah, He condemned desecration, exclusivism, and commercialism. God had intended the temple to be a house of prayer for all nations (Isa_56:7), not just for Israel. They had made it a religious market, a hang-out for shysters and racketeers (Jer_7:11).” Believer’s Bible Commentary
Recently lunatics went half crazy because some man threw a rock or stone at a monk seal. Yet no one is fighting for the right for precious innocent babies to live, to not be MURDERED in their own mother’s womb. America is under divine judgment and it’s not going to stop. It’s just getting started.
“Thou shalt not kill.” Exodus 20:13
“Fact: What the world celebrates, God hates!!
Fact: America as a nation will not be saved by God; only individual souls and families can be saved with the short time we have left.
Fact: The reason society has been overrun by the rainbow mafia in corporate America, in schools, and yes: even in ‘churches’, is because this God-mocking, God-hating nation has been given over to the filth they love above the holy God who gave us life.
Have a blessed day…” A disciple.
PRAYER: Father in the name of Jesus, may Your people cry out to You today for the lost souls of fallen men for whom You sent Your only begotten Son to die (John 3:16-17). May we be blessed to cry out for that which most concerns You! In Jesus’ name.
As God looks down from Heaven…. here’s what He sees, here’s what breaks His holy heart ….
“Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?” Proverbs 15:11
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