Is teaching the Biblical truth that backsliders forfeit salvation a works-righteousness doctrine?
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
Anybody teaching a theology of losing salvation is teaching law based salvation. And it’s a lie from the evil one. On one side of their mouth they are saying we are saved by faith, on the other side of their mouth they are saying we maintain it by works. That’s double-talk.
If salvation were maintained by works then it wouldn’t be a gift. It wouldn’t be by faith. And that kind of teaching is no different than all the fake religions of the world. Fake religions that require you to earn salvation through human effort.
To teach losing salvation is to reject the grace of God. And if we could keep our salvation through human effort then why in the world did Jesus go to the cross?
[Galatians 2:21] “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
REPLY:
No, anyone teaching the doctrine of lawless lasciviousness, better known as “once saved always saved” or “eternal security” is clearly identified as a false teacher who is “turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (license for sin).” (Jude 4)
Notice how you used just one Bible verse and you took it out of context.
Righteousness comes by Christ, not law, or law-keeping (Galatians 2:21). This in no way negates that God chose to place conditions on His salvation and He didn’t need your puny opinion on the matter. As a typical of OSAS dupe, you selectively use and you selectively, deliberately ignore Bible verses as they fit your doctrine of devils. Note how the Galatian saints had “fallen from grace” and so by this we know such is possible – it’s possible to fall from grace after being saved by it.
“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” Galatians 5:4
Jesus says that someone who believes and is saved can then afterwards “fall away.” (Luke 8:13) Jesus also says, speaking of those “in me” that they will be cast into the fire if they do not “abide” in Him, which means to remain (John 15:6). Paul said that if believers don’t continue in the goodness of God, they will receive the “severity” of His judgment and be “cut off.” (Romans 11:20-22)
You are falsely equating an abiding relationship with Jesus with law-keeping. The whole reason the Father sent His only begotten Son was to procure a RELATIONSHIP with those who choose to repent and be saved (conditions).
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
You are so busy seeking to “free” yourself and others from any semblance of personal responsibility, that you say nothing about the relationship God sent His Son to procure between Himself and His people – a relationship of knowing and abiding in Christ. It seems that to you it’s all about the freedom to live lawless, for the god of self as you parade a mere “form of godliness” while you are “denying the power (authority) thereof.” (2 Timothy 3:1-7) Denying the authority of God in one’s life means denying the cross, refusing to die to self so He can reign, refusing to truly submit your life to the One who bled to save you.
Just because God gave a gift in no way means that gift can’t be forfeited. You’ve redefined the terms to perpetrate this heresy.
Just because God saves by grace in no way means that grace changed His definition of sin, nor does it mean there’s nothing required of the recipient, initially and ongoing.
Saving faith is more than just lip service. Though Christ alone saves those who repent and believe upon Him, such a saving faith is defined by Scripture and demonic faith is also defined in Holy writ.
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” James 2:17-20
Fruit, works do not save and yet good fruit, good works are without fail evidenced in the lives of all who are known of God.
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” Titus 1:16
Since the LORD is the author of salvation, HE’s the only one who can set the parameters, the conditions. An honest reading of the New Testament Scriptures, without the imposed heresies of false teachers, will never yield and “once saved always saved” conclusion.
Righteousness does not come by law-keeping and yet, according to the testimony of the New Testament, righteousness only comes by knowing and remaining in relationship with the only ONE who kept the law perfectly and expired it for righteousness (Romans 10:4). You say nothing of relationship and that’s because you are serving your own belly, not interested in knowing, loving, worshiping, and joyfully obeying Jesus. You simply want to use the Son of God to get you out of hell but are not interested in having a real, actually relationship with Him. That’s what He means by “abide.” (John 15)
If you really loved Jesus, you’d delight to keep His words, which are not grievous to those who truly know Him (1 John 5:3).
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15
Jesus told us exactly who loves Him and to whom He will reveal Himself to:
“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” John 14:21
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.” 1 John 2:4-5
What is it that you don’t like about a real relationship with the Savior you falsely claim to know and love? Are you afraid you’ll have to truly repent, obey, and bring forth fruits that prove you’ve repented? (Matthew 3:7-10; Titus 1:16).
You talk about being saved by grace and yet, you refuse to acknowledge the following grace passage – because it ruins your license for sin, lascivious agenda:
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;” Titus 2:11-12
The believer’s place with God is kept by abiding in Christ, not law-keeping (John 15:1-6). And Jesus says those “in me” can choose not to “abide” or remain in Him and if they choose to not remain in Him they will be “cast … into the fire, and they are burned.” (John 15:6)
“If a man abide (continue) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6
You demonically, rebelliously insist that ANY conditions GOD HIMSELF puts on the saved, is law-keeping, works-righteousness. The reason you do this is because you’re not repentant and your whole life revolves around you, the false god of self. This is why you will ignore mountains of Scripture truth to promulgate your eternal security fairy tail (Mark 7:6-9, 13).
The lawless heart is unrepentant and hates, despises the biblical truth that God 1. requires repentance and faith to initially save a person (Acts 20:21), and 2. He also requires that the saved person endures to the end of his life in an abiding relationship with Him (John 15:1-6).
OSAS is the message of Satan (Genesis 2:17; 3:4) and the false prophets (Jeremiah 23:17; Jude 4, etc.).
Jude warned of the “ungodly men” who would peddle their perverted grace, the very lie of “Lasciviousness” – a perverted grace (see Jer. 23:17)….. “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 1:3-4 (KJV)
Jer 5:31; 23:17 …. they love the feeling of “security” but it’s a false security. They hate the idea of personal responsibility and refuse it!!! They love their “ease” and self-serving, Christ-rejecting lifestyle. They have a mere “form(ula) of godliness” but “deny the ower (reign)” of Christ in their daily lives (Luke 9:23-24; 2 Timothy 3:1-7). They want Heaven but not Jesus and will be cast into hell. God cannot be mocked (Galatians 6:7-8).
Saving grace always produces good fruit and good works and is proof one is saved – BUT good works and good fruit save no one – only Jesus can do that. Saving faith, without fail, produces the fruit of a holy life. See Matthew 3:7-10; Jude 3-4 and Titus 2:11-12.
According to the New Testament record, authentic saving faith is NOT un-forfeitable, but rather can be:
- “Cast off” – 1 Timothy 5:11-12
- “Put away” and “Made shipwreck” of – 1 Timothy 1:19
- “Denied” – Revelation 2:13
- “Denied” – 1 Timothy 5:8
- Departed from – 1 Timothy 4:1
- Failed – Luke 22:32
- Overthrown – 2 Timothy 2:18
- “Erred from” – 1 Timothy 6:10
- “Erred” from – 1 Timothy 6:21
- Fallen Away from: One can “fall away” from his believing/saving faith and be lost “again” – Luke 8:13; 15
More on the Myth of “eternal security” here.
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The Death before the Death [podcast]

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“And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.” Luke 22:42-44
“He must increase, but I must decrease.” John 3:30
“Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.” 2 Corinthians 4:10-12
“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. 25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?” Luke 9:23-25

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“Rend Your Heart, and Not Your Garments” [podcast]

Who Does God Look to? Who Does God Dwell in?
Beware of any man pretending to represent Christ who isn’t praying and preaching for you to be possessed by a humble and contrite heart.
“Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:3
“‘Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven’ (Matthew 5:3). A low condition. ‘Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted’ (Matthew 5:4). To mourn over our sin and our utter wickedness before a holy and righteous God. Those are the ones who will receive the comfort and ‘joy in the Holy Ghost’ (Romans 14:17).” Karen Cochran
Abandoning Our Own Sin, Our Own Way, for God and His Better Way!
To “rend your heart” is a biblical phrase meaning to tear open your heart in radical sincerity, true humility, and genuine repentance.
The phrase comes from Joel 2:13 in the Bible: “Rend your heart and not your garments and return to the Lord your God.”
One source notes the following:
“Context and Deeper Meaning:
- Cultural Background: In ancient times, the Jewish people would tear (rend) their clothes as a public, highly visible display of grief or repentance.
- The Spiritual Message: God is warning that outward rituals (like ripping clothing) are meaningless if the heart remains unchanged. Rending your heart implies breaking through your pride, letting go of excuses, and being completely vulnerable and authentic before God.
- The Reward: The verse goes on to say that God is “gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love.” Tearing open your heart allows you to experience His forgiveness and restore your relationship with Him.”
To see an example of rending one’s physical garment in representation of rending their heart, see Acts 14:11-18.
Where is the LORD Looking?
“But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.” 1 Samuel 16:7
“Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 and rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God” Joel 2:12-14
“What a gracious invitation is contained in these words. How tenderly the Lord reasons with his people. And what an encouraging assurance it folds up with. Reader! do not fail to observe that this call of the Lord, the accompanying grace to incline the heart to the observance of it is implied. It is most blessed ever to remember that when the Lord thus comes forth in his endearing invitations, he is secretly inclining the heart to accept them. Grace must first enter the heart, or there will be no inclination to obey.” Robert Hawker
“Jeremiah’s message was never meant to leave the heart in despair. Every warning from God carried an invitation to return. The Lord does not expose empty religion to shame His people, but to heal them. Repentance is not the loss of hope, it is the beginning of hope. Christ still receives every soul that comes with humility, and He gives living faith where there was only habit, peace where there was only fear, and joy where there was only emptiness. The call remains the same today, to draw near to Him with a sincere heart, trusting that His mercy is always greater than our weakness.” Dan Blincoe
A Fresh Start with God Always Begins with Humility and True Repentance
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.” Acts 3:19
“Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 and rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God?” Joel 2:12-14
Concerning rending our hearts before the LORD, one source notes:
The classic Bible passage on this concept is Joel 2:13, where God commands: “Rend your heart and not your garments”. In ancient biblical culture, tearing (or “rending”) one’s physical clothing was a customary, visible display of extreme grief, despair, or repentance. Through the prophet Joel, God is essentially telling His people: Stop doing the empty, outward religious ritual of tearing your clothes to show everyone how sorry you are. Instead, let me see true, inward brokenness over your sins.
Examples of Rending Physical Garments
In the Bible, the physical act of tearing clothes was used as a dramatic expression of deep emotion in several well-known narratives:
- Joseph’s Brothers (Genesis 37:29, 34): When Reuben realized Joseph was not in the pit, and later when the brothers brought Joseph’s blood-stained coat to Jacob, they tore their clothes in grief and despair.
- Job (Job 1:20): After hearing that he had lost all his wealth and his children, Job stood up and tore his robe as an outward sign of his overwhelming sorrow.
- King David (2 Samuel 1:11-12): When David received news of the deaths of King Saul and Jonathan, he and his men tore their clothes to mourn.
- The High Priest (Matthew 26:65): In a dramatic display of hypocritical outrage, the high priest tore his own garments when Jesus declared He was the Son of God, falsely accusing Him of blasphemy.
The Spiritual Meaning of “Rending the Heart”
The concept of “rending the heart” contrasts an outward show with inward reality.
- Genuine Repentance: Tearing your heart means being vulnerable, acknowledging your brokenness, and deeply repenting of sin before God.
- Prioritizing Relationships over Rituals: God desires a sincere heart—true sorrow and a desire to change—more than he desires traditional religious pageantry or dramatic, public displays of grief.
- The Promise of Forgiveness: In Joel 2:13, the command to rend the heart is immediately followed by the promise of grace: “Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love”.
God sees beyond our external habits and religious actions, requiring instead a humble, contrite heart to fully experience His mercy.”
God’s Mercy
“Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?” Joel 2:12-14
In God’s Word, where we see men who tear open their garments…. This holds the illustration of rending our hearts before the LORD.
Don’t render outward tearing, no, rather, tear open your inner man, your heart—be honest, sincere, exposed, and vulnerable to the LORD whom you trust.
Let’s attempt to get at, to ascertain what God is commanding of His beloved people to do in this “rend your heart” passage.
“Joel 2:13: Rend your heart—Let it not be merely a rending of your garments, but let your hearts be truly contrite. Merely external worship and hypocritical pretensions will only increase the evil, and cause God to meet you with heavier judgments.
For he is gracious—Good and benevolent in his own nature.
Merciful—Pitying and forgiving, as the effect of goodness and benevolence.
Slow to anger —He is not easily provoked to punish, because he is gracious and merciful.
Of great kindness—Exuberant goodness to all them that return to him.
And repenteth him of the evil—Is ever ready to change his purpose to destroy, when he finds the culprit willing to be saved. See the notes on Exo_34:6, Exo_34:7.” Adam Clarke
“Joel 2:12-14: III. DIVINE APPEAL TO JUDAH TO REPENT (2:12-14)
Even now, the LORD calls the people to repentance. It is not too late to return to Him. But it must be more than outward ritual. Their turning was to be with all their heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning.” Believer’s Bible Commentary
To rend our hearts is the consistent message, mandate of God to His people of all ages and eras.
“The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.” Psalms 34:18
“The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.” Psalms 51:17
In Joel 2 the LORD reminds those who are backslidden that He “is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God? …”
They must meet His stated conditions to receive His blessings ….
He promises that He will forgive them as they…..
“Joel 2:12-27: THE AVERTING OF JUDGMENT
To rend the garment is easy, but a broken and contrite heart can be imparted only by the grace of the Holy Spirit. The love of God should bring us to repentance. He takes no pleasure in our miseries and if men repent and turn from their sin they find an immediate and loving welcome to the Father’s heart and home. Joel had called for the trumpet to announce war; he now directs the trumpet blast to summon the people, from the highest to the lowest, to plead for help. Prayer and true repentance and faith bring an immediate answer. As the husband yearns over his erring but repentant wife, and is indignant with those who have maltreated her, so will Jehovah remove from us, when we turn to Him, those who have cruelly oppressed us.
The great things Jehovah did against Egypt and Babylon are an earnest of what He will do again. The earth (and all the creation of God) … have good reason to rejoice in what awaits them. God promises not only to forgive sin, but to make us happy and well provided as if the locust and cankerworm had never settled upon our lives.” FB Meyer
Religious hypocrites, counterfeits, emphasize the outward to cover their inner darkness, rebellion.
“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Matthew 23:23-25
“He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.” Mark 7:6
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