It’s past time for all who name the name of Jesus to depart from the apostasy of fake “bibles” and to read and study the real Bible, the King James Bible. it doesn’t matter that your lame fake “pastor” uses a corrupt “bible.”
It’s a pretty easy decision to use the King James Bible when we see the difference, the absolute attack on God by the enemy who removed HIS words (Revelation 22:18-19).
WHERE O WHERE is the conviction? Wow. EXPLAIN why this is not a big deal. God says it’s a big deal. Read Revelation 22:18-19 and repent. Please explain why the BLOOD of Jesus is removed from your “bible” in Colossian 1:14. Also, please explain to us all why Romans 8:1 is chopped in half in that fairy tale “bible” you read? 4 Verse Comparison
ROMANS 8:1 is chopped in half in the fake news “bibles.” Did you know that?
If you say that GOD’S Word doesn’t matter, He’s calling you to repent now and get saved (Revelation 22:18-19).
Example: To say the new “bibles” are good is to say that the BLOOD of Jesus doesn’t matter to you. If you read a new “bible” instead of the King James Bible, go see if “through his BLOOD” is removed from Colossians 1:14 in that atrocity. No, it’s removed. Is that okay with you? It’s no okay with the LORD. Do you claim to be washed in the blood of Jesus without which no man can be saved? (Hebrews 9:22)
The words of JESUS were removed from Matthew 17:21 in the fake “bibles.” That bother you?
RARE! After being shown how the new “bibles” are Satan’s, this young man responded this way….
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I see your point, but I truly believe God is well able to convey Truth in any language or translation ♥️”
REPLY:
Thanks to God that you are teachable…. brother… that is RARE. Okay, we must make not excuse for the works of satan beloved brother. Can’t tell you how blessed it is to see how teachable you are brother!!!! amen Jesus!!! …. this Bible issue is NOT a preference or legalistic issue at all…it’s a holy conviction based on simple comparison. Please avail yourself to the rich contents on the ministry site on this topic…. jaw dropping…. Please avail yourself to the rich contents on the ministry site on this topic…. jaw dropping…. Bible Versions Issue
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Which version of the Bible did the early church read?”
REPLY:
Did they have it in written form as we do? No. Do we? Yes. Deal with it (Psalms 12:6-7). HOW does the early church saints dismiss satan’s corruptions of God’s Word? Which version(s) of the Bible do you read and are you defending? Unless you have something to hide, please reveal.
MESSAGE RECEIVED ON POST EXPOSING THE ENEMY’S FALSE “BIBLES”:
“Christians fighting against fellow Christians. Not good. Let’s pray for each other. After all, God still has the final judgment.”
REPLY:
Yes GOD is the JUDGE and He has spoken and His arch enemy has corrupted that which HE spoke – the new “bibles.” Telling the truth is mercy not withholding it. Exposing the enemy of the LORD is not “fighting with fellow Christians” but rather helping them…. You have many things to learn friend.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I also have the Interlinear Hebrew & Greek Bible which gives a word-for-word exact translation.” Anna
REPLY:
Yes amen. I have it also and have taken these things straight to it and personally found that the King James Bible is always correct. I use it as a reference. Comparing confirmed that the KJB is a direct translation as opposed to the “dynamic equivalence” used by Satan’s scholars who added their own thoughts into the false “bibles.”
Let me go on record to declare this self-evident truth: YOU have some serious heart issues with God if you can see how Satan has butchered God’s words and still justify reading those garbage per-version fake “bibles.” It’s not just the NIV either but rather ALL the new versions that are corrupt. In this post we’re going to take a look at just 4 verses, comparing them side-by-side.
Most modern “preachers” use Satan’s “bibles” instead of the King James Bible and YET WE WONDER why the modern church world is completely apostate?????
It’s interesting how some are proud of “using many versions” of the Bible. Well God told us He isn’t confused – so that must mean they are confused! (1 Corinthians 14:33) He preserved His Word for us in our language (Psalms 12:6-7). Is that every English version? Can’t be.Shocking 4 Verse KJV Comparison
EVER notice that most of those men who defend the new versions won’t man-up and tell you which per-version they read, even when asked? SMH
SO MANY frauds, amateurs, claiming to be the authority on the Bible. Very few of them care to learn a few things. They insist they know it all when they are completely ignorant of the truth about God’s Word and how He kept His promise to preserve it to us in our language (Psalms 12:6-7). This reveals some serious depth of darkness these people are in. If they are casting doubt on God’s Word, they are under the power of SATAN who’s the first one to cast doubt on God’s Word (Genesis 3:1). And, we “know them by their FRUIT.” (Matthew 7:16, 20) True repentance needed.
OKAY, I KNOW SOME MAY BE SPURNED … MY PERSONAL INTENT IS FOR YOUR SPIRITUAL WELL BEING WITH CHRIST …. THEREFORE THE DESIRE TO HELP YOU SEE WHAT THE TRUE, PRESERVED WORD OF GOD FOR THE ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLES OF THE WORLD IS (PS 12:6-7)
IF you think that after the Garden of Eden Satan ceased changing the Word of God, I’ve got some land to sell you off the coast of Florida (Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Jeremiah 23:36; Mark 4:15, etc.). – “for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.” (Jeremiah 23:36) Think: new “bible” versions!
SO, YOU BELIEVE SATAN DOESN’T WORK (HIS EVIL) ANY LONGER? WOW, DIDN’T THE BIBLE GUARANTEE US THAT SATAN WOULD WORK EVEN HARDER IN THE FINAL DAYS? 2 TIMOTHY 3:13 AND REVELATION 12:12???
YOU ARE GOING TO SENSE A LARGE AND BLESSED DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU BEGIN STUDYING THE KING JAMES BIBLE EVERY MORNING ….. CLEAN AND PURE …. ONLY THE CLEAN, CLEAR, PURE WORD OF GOD CAN CLEAN AND PURIFY OUR HEARTS!!!! MATT. 5:8 ANYONE?
LET’S GET BACK TO THE KING JAMES BIBLE SAINTS. THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR OWN LIFE WILL BE AMAZING. IT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PLASTIC KNIFE AND A SWORD! GOD IS GOOD AND THE DEVIL IS A LIAR!
WHAT is the “foundations” for our learning about God? His words, right? Are we so blind as to think Satan, who from the Garden has tampered with and cast doubt upon God’s Word would not be involved in using wolves to change God’s Word today? That is the height of gullibility and ignorance friend.
As if there’s any Gospel at all outside of Christ!
AS IF THERE’S ANY GOSPEL WITHOUT CHRIST!!!! Note how this satanic “bible” removes Christ from His own Word – Romans 1:16 “For I am not ashamed of the gospel…” (NIV) Now let’s read Romans 1:16 in the King James Bible: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel OF CHRIST: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” (Romans 1:16) The LORD Jesus is most likely removed from many if not all the modern corruption “bibles” because they all come from the same few corrupted manuscripts.
“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” Psalms 11:3
WHEN you desire to be healthy in your body, the first think you do is switch from poisonous soft drinks to good water, right? When you choose to be a man of truth, the first thing you should do is switch to the King James Bible from the devil’s counterfeit fake “bibles.”
DELUSIONMENT: WHEN you corner new version “bible” defenders with the myriad of missing words and verses in their fake news “bible,” some of them will go so far as to say that the King James Bible added those words. If that weren’t unbelievable enough, recently I had just such a rebel tell me that the devil caused the King James Bible translators to add the divine command and word “repent” to the King James Bible over 40 times. He said this after he was cornered with the fact that the New King James version removed the word “repent” over 40 times. Amazing! NEW KING JAMES 666 COUNTERFEIT
The Never Ending Scam of New Bible Versions
Every month or two there’s yet another $cam version of the Bible that comes out from some person or committee that pretends and puts themselves up as having authority. Could all these versions possibly be divinely inspired and yet all different?
It’s real simple: We have the preserved Word of God in the Authorized, the King James Bible. All other English Bibles are unnecessary and in most cases if not all, diabolical counterfeits. Bible Versions: Are there Significant Doctrinal Differences?
HARDBALL: To a man boasting of going back to the Hebrew and Greek, a man who refused to tell me what “bible” version he reads when asked repeatedly…. who was downing the KJB and calling me a hypocrite, the reply was as follows:
God gave us His Word in our language as He promised to do specifically – Psalms 12:6-7. Anyone can reference the Hebrew and Greek. You are no hero. You still didn’t answer my question…. those sissy “bibles” have made a sissy out of you haven’t they?
Please explain why the BLOOD of Jesus is removed from your “bible” in Colossian 1:14. Also, please explain to us all why Romans 8:1 is chopped in half in that fairy tale “bible” you read?
TODAY we hear many in leadership cast doubt on God’s preserved Word by saying things like “A better translation would have been,” etc. In other words, they know better than the most profound scholars ever assembled by King James as God ordained him to do. When you do the research, you will find that at 5-8 years of age, many of those scholars knew numerous languages and were prolific in Hebrew / Greek. Yet we have lightweight so-called theologians today foolishly pretending to be superior in knowledge to those substantially expert Hebrew and Greek scholars whom the LORD raised up to fulfill the promise He gave us in Psalms 12:6-7 to preserve His Word to the English speaking peoples of the world. If this weren’t so pitiful it would be laughable. These pseudo scholars today do not speak or write in Hebrew or Greek and yet pretend to be wiser than those who knew those languages on a firsthand basis.
HOW can you possibly say you believe ANYTHING God has said if you don’t believe we actually have His preserved, perfect Word today? Impossible. Such a person is a snake who has chosen to reject Christ while posing as a “scholar” offering “higher criticism” when he’s/she’s really a sham-cloaked rebel. Hell awaits. Such a person picks and chooses what part(s) of God’s Word he/she wants to embrace and what he/she wants to reject …. just like evil Jehoiakim who used a penknife to cut out and burn what parts of God’s Word convicted him! (Jeremiah 36) Repent. Read Hebrews 3-4.
“HIGHER CRITICISM” OR “TEXTUAL CRITICISM” ARE SIMPLY TERMS USED TO JUSTIFY THE UTTER AND ARROGANT REBELLION BEHIND THE QUESTIONING AND ALTERING OF GOD’S PRESERVED WORD WHICH WE HAVE IN THE KING JAMES BIBLE (PSALMS 12:6-7). THIS “CONFUSION” IS NOT OF GOD BUT IS CLEARLY THE WORK OF SATAN. “FOR GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION, BUT OF PEACE, AS IN ALL CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.” (1 CORINTHIANS 14:33) THESE ARE CHILDREN OF SATAN WHO ARE SELF-SERVING, SELF-APPOINTED “SCHOLARS” AND WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE SATAN IS THE ONE WHO BEGAN QUESTIONING GOD’S WORD AND ADDING TO IT (GENESIS 2:17; 3:4, 1). CASTING DOUBT ON GOD’S WORD IS WHAT THESE WOLVES WHO WEAR SHEEP’S CLOTHING ARE DOING TODAY WHICH CLEARLY PROVES THEIR FATHER IS THE DEVIL HIMSELF (JOHN 8:44).
I have no doubt that sin and an evil spirit are behind the questioning of God’s Word (Genesis 3:1)…..
Recently had a lengthy discussion with a pastor who uses the new versions. He listed about 8-10 of them that he uses. Whew, saints, it becomes so obvious how the church world is in such disarray when we see what these seminarians have been led to believe and what they’ve allowed instead of getting into God’s Word honestly and diligently.
NEVER let some corruptED seminarian dupe override the common sense God gave you!
This particular man was teachable. He agreed to allow me to drop ship him a copy of Gail Riplinger’s book New Age Bible Versions …. And also I referenced and gave him the Bible Versions Issue category on the ministry site to peer into on this important, intriguing issue that faces us…. Anyone can usually get a cheap copy on ebay or amazon or straight from the publisher at AVpublications.com
SO FAR …. Not many of those who have cast doubt on God’s Word bother to humble themselves and repent of believing lies. They forged ahead in their dark ignorance, swearing they had the truth when it’s more than obviously erroneous.
CLEAR proof that when we call men to the LORD, we should use HIS Word and not a corrupted version of it. Also, we must get them into the real Word and not a cheap, corrupted counterfeit. Read this passage as a whole…. Revelation 22:17-19 ….
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Satan’s. Children also quote Scripture just like there father the Devil.”
REPLY:
Yes Satan’s children twist Scripture and misuse it just like the devil did when tempting Jesus and just like the creators of the new “bibles” did to create their corruptions of God’s real Word. In Matthew 4 we see JESUS quoting Scripture. SO, is the Son of God of the devil?
God commands His people to “PREACH the word.” 2 Tim 4:2
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Hope you are not referring to AMP, ESV, NLT, MSG etc because they only expound on what’s been said without taking away from what God said or meant…… note KJV Translated from Hebrew to old English (which isn’t the purest language) let’s be clear about something there is no J in the Hebrew language it’s not JESUS it’s actually pronounce YASHUA…. if you wish to get all technical.”
REPLY:
Totally false. WHO gave them divine permission to “expound” on what God stated using their “private interpretation”? Not God and they are going to receive the plagues of the book of Revelation which includes the lake of fire (Rev 22:18-19). It’s called “private interpretation” which frauds perpetrate – “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.” (Romans 1:22)
Jesus is the English rendering of the Hebrew Jeshua. You are part of a cult. NAME CULT WARNING: When people get off on this “Yahuah,” “Yah,” etc. stuff and say the English word JESUS is illegitimate, that’s where I cut em off. Delusional. They allowed themselves to be deceived in this matter by foolish judaizing devils who don’t know the LORD and have rejected their own Messiah. Dare you argue with the reality that believers have cast out devils in the name of JESUS for centuries???? Done it myself, many times! You think Satan knows who JESUS is???? Repent devil. Name Cult Warning
Personally I never never use the word “old” when referring to God’s Word because the KJB is the Word of God to the English speaking peoples and as such is ever living and ever relevant (1 Pet 1:23; Mark 13:31).
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I read the NIV version and I’m holy spirit filled and fire filled I think that’s up to God to decide not you my brother Love you.”
REPLY:
Hello. Did God decide to remove 64,000 words from that garbage “bible” OR did Jesus promise that those who did so will receive the plagues of the book of Revelation – including the lake of fire. Read Revelation 22:18-19.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“You think those errors in the NIV and new versions make the Bible a “poisoned stream?” I think God uses those versions just fine. For example, I used the NIV for many years and grew tremendously, becoming an ordained missionary, youth Pastor, elder, deacon, teacher, Pastor, etc. Using NIV did not give me a bad theology or make me think less of His blood. Sadly I find this arguing for KJV-only or otherwise more divisive and a turn off to everyone, than beneficial.
REPLY:
Exposing Satan’s obvious counterfeits is only a turn off to those who don’t really love the truth. And what the Word say about those who aren’t “valiant for the truth”? (2 Thess 2:9-12) Your defense of Satan’s works against Christ make it obvious that your heart is not right with God. You are defending and promoting Satan while claiming to be a man of God. I find you a man who is greatly lacking holy conviction. Your personal, subjective experience doesn’t change the very Word of God. You apparently put your experience above what Scripture I posted, which is sad. I believe God is calling you to repent and cry out to Him for forgiveness. Obviously, the NIV corruption you defend didn’t instill any holy fear of God in your heart. When you repent God will make you a man of truth who lives purely according to His truth and never gives credence or crassly overlooks the works of His arch enemy who has corrupt His Word. You also side stepped my simple question about how it’s okay to remove things, anything from God’s Word. You are agreeing with Satan against the LORD you claim to know and serve. The LORD is drawing a line in the sand for you right here and now – whose side are you really on? 1 Kings 18:21; Matt 12:30
What did Jesus mean other than what He stated in Revelation 22:18-19?
Pro 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
You are saying that good fruit can come out of a bad tree which is a lie because Jesus says:
Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Obviously God always uses the imperfect and He can use any translation. The Bible points us to the real Word of God, Jesus. Holy Spirit came to lead us to Him as well as Holy Spirit fulfills Jesus’s promise to teach and guide us into Truth. God certainly uses the books of the Bible to speak to us and teach/guide us but too many people settle for idolizing the Bible as the true word of God when it should be leading us into deeper relationship with God himself, not just reading books and one-way prayers which aren’t even conversations.”
REPLY:
Thanks for sharing. Perhaps we should consider that this God we speak of issued perhaps His most severe warning to any person who would change His Word in any way, jot or tittle. Revelation 22:18-19. So, we know He doesn’t take this lightly and neither should we if we truly know and fear Him. Idolizing the Bible? Ah, if Jesus is the Word, that’s not possible. I want to exhort you to read what the Psalmist says about God’s Word by reading Psalms 119 afresh, closely. Remember this is the longest chapter in all the Bible, is in the middle of the Bible, with its only subject being the written Word….. through which the living Word Himself is revealed.
Did the LORD not magnify His Word above even His name?
Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
There’s no way a believer can possibly have the spiritual nutrients the LORD desires him to have for that vital relationship you rightly spoke of….. if that believer is drinking from a poisoned stream instead of the pure Word of our God. Blessings in Christ dear brother.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“The Lord did not ‘give’ us the KJV…… The Textus Receptus gave us the KJV, financed by the King of England.”
REPLY:
Ah okay so the Textus Receptus just created itself, right? Not. Ah so ministry that involves money is evil? That would make Jesus evil because He had a treasurer which means there was money given to Him and His disciples. You are what’s called a Bible “agnostic.” You have denied that God is active in history. But the Bible tells us “the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.” Daniel 4:32
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“You are deceived! Jesus told us all translations are His Word!” Sheila
REPLY:
WHERE did the Jesus revealed in Scripture tell us such????
No instead the Jesus of the Bible warned us “Beware of the scribes.” (Mark 12:38) Jesus warned us that “SATAN cometh immediately, and taketh away the word.” (Mark 4:15)
If what you claim is true that would mean that Jesus okays the “Queen James Bible,” the “Ebonics Bible,” and even worse, the demonic NIV “bible.”
You are saying that as long as a thick book has the words “Holy Bible” on the cover that such is God’s inspired words, regardless of the contents of that book.
Jesus says that HIS words cannot be changed (Psalms 199:89; Mark 13:31) and if someone changes them, it’s not HIS Word and they will be irrevocably sent to the lake of fire which is one of the plagues of the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:18-19).
Please explain why you believe that the “Jesus” you claim to serve okays all “bible” translations. Tell us all why you believe the Holy Son of God sanctions these corruptions of His Word. For example He okays:
His very words be removed, completely omitted in Matthew 17:21?
That Romans 8:1 be chopped in half?
That His very blood be removed from Colossians 1:14?
That the clearest revelation of the Godhead be butchered in 1 John 5:7?
If you can crassly overlook these blasphemous atrocities, sounds like you need to get the real Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:2-5). That seems to be root issue here.
DIRTY “BIBLES” – ARE you reading one of the devil’s dirty “bibles”? Or are you reading God’s Word, the King James Bible? If “through is BLOOD” is removed from Colossians 1:14, you know you’ve been tricked. Go look. 4 Verse KJV Comparison
The devil himself is behind all lies Jesus taught and is the first and present one behind the questioning of and perversion of God’s words (Genesis 2:17; 3:1, 4).
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Everyone saying “you need to read the originals in their original language to truly understand the Bible”… come on guys! You really think that God expects everyone to learn 4-5 different languages just so they can “properly understand what He is trying to tell us”? Please… King James Bible is the perfect, infallible written word of God to English speaking people (which doesn’t mean that Jesus spoke 17th century English)” Ty
QUESTION:
“I was reading someone’s reply on something and he was saying that King James was gay and he is the reason the Bible can be read in English. Just wandering if that statement was true.”
REPLY:
That is pure heresy by Satan’s agents to discredit God’s preserved Word. There is no evidence at all that James was a sodomite. Jesus told us that the devil is a liar from the beginning! John 8:44
TAIL CHASER:
Recently, I confronted a local “pastor” who had been sowing discord among the brethren. This local “pastor” attacked me as he brought up the Bible version issue. In this heated conversation this man told me he couldn’t understand King James English and said “you have to go back to/know the Hebrew and Greek.” So let me get this straight: You can’t understand English but you can understand Hebrew and Greek? SMH …. I asked him if he read or spoke Hebrew and Greek and demanded that he speak those languages to me right then and and there. Of course he was dumbfounded and didn’t know what to say. … I asked him if he claimed to be washed in the blood of Jesus and if so, does it not bother him that in those phony, sissy new versions he’s defending that in Colossians 1:14 the BLOOD of Jesus is removed. I asked him if that bothered him and told him that if not he has no fear of God at all. Let’s get the real Bible saints, the King James Bible, and trashed, perhaps burn Satan’s counterfeits.
TESTIMONY:
Tammy Harris writes: “I threw away my NIV and was in much confusion about this because I had it for so long and it had my notes written in it and high lighted scripture. I read that it wasn’t biblically sound and also that the publishers of it also published the satanic bible. I know that evil spirits can attach themselves to material objects and I was very Leary about the publishers.”
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“As far as the versions, I study many versions now asking for discernment from the Holy Spirit as I study…..”
REPLY:
Okay, so you actually believe that the HOLY Spirit of God has anything to do with Satan’s attack on God’s Word, the new versions? How does God reveal Himself to us? (John 5:39; Luke 24:44-45) Does He speak to us through His pure Word, which He promised and did preserve to us in our language as He promised (Ps 12:6-7) or through His enemy’s corrupted version of His (God’s) Word? You don’t actually believe the Holy Spirit of God would ever lead someone to read Satan’s corruptions of God’s Word do you? …. “God is not the author of confusion.” (1 Corinthians 14:33)
Since “God is not the author of confusion” (1 Corinthians 14:33), why would you wish to dabble is Satan’s counterfeit “bibles”? Does your conscience not bother you that you are actually reading and approving of the work of Christ’s enemy? Is there no conviction in you to study God’s pure Word, the King James Bible? (Psalms 12:6-7)
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Let God be true, and all men liars… I worship God not KJV.”
REPLY:
Smokescreen …. So David, it really doesn’t matter what’s between the pages of the cover that says and claims “Holy Bible” right? If you truly fear and worship God, why does it not concern you that all who add to or take away from His Word are going to the lake of fire? Rev 22:18-19 ….. If you love, honor and worship the LORD, why does it not bother you that His arch enemy, Satan himself, has butchered His Word? Where O where is the conviction? If God is to believed, what is that based on? Is it base on HIS own Word or on the enemy’s corruption, counterfeit of His Word?
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Wait a minute: You apparently have not read the new version of the Bible. It was co-written by Winnie the Pooh, Mickey Mouse, Mr. Rogers, and group of 30 or so millennials. Their research helped them to discover that sin is no longer sin. Great news for people who are determined to call themselves Christians but yet do what they want to do. Roughly 2000 years ago, Paul warned a young Pastor named Timothy that some day ‘Christians’ would refuse SOUND doctrine and turn away from it to fables and that they would find/pursue teachers who would tell them what THEY WANT to hear (2 Timothy 4:2-4). You can add to that a few more of His prophesies regarding people having a form of GODLINESS, etc. Yet they are turning from truth and doing what is right in their own eyes. THAT IS THE PROPHETIC Word of warning from our Maker!” Christopher Wright
QUESTION RECEIVED:
“Don’t you accept as an error in translation when the KJV used the word easter?”
REPLY:
Hi. No, because the writer was simply marking a time of the year the reader could use as a reference. Acts 12:4. It’s interesting that those who defend the completely corrupted new versions are grasping at straws to attempt to make something evil out of things like this when there is a very simple explanation. Here are some posts on this issue …
QUESTION RECEIVED:
“Doesn’t it cause unnecessary division to discuss Bible versions?”
REPLY:
In the most basic sense, what is the Bible a collection of? The words of God, right?
If those words have been altered/changed, does that not make it obvious that the message has changed?
What is the eternal consequence for any and all who participate with the altering of God’s words? That is, the adding to and/or taking away of those words (tampering in any way with them)? Revelation 22:18-19
Can you show from the BIBLE that the BIBLE isn’t important?
Didn’t God tell us that He has magnified/elevated His words even above His own name? Psalms 138:2
If God’s own words aren’t important, why did He attach such a severe penalty to punish all those who change it? Revelation 22:18-19
Do you know the topic of the longest chapter in all the Bible? Psalms 119 – The written Word of God is the topic.
Do you understand that the apostle Peter taught us that the written Word of God is even more divinely authoritative than the actual audible voice of God speaking from Heaven? 2 Peter 2:16-21
What are we divinely instructed to judge, discern, and weigh all philosophies, notions, statements, doctrines, etc., against? What is the holy standard? Acts 17:11; 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Jesus and His holy apostles and prophets didn’t cease teaching the truth because it caused division. That division is the dividing of those who are “of God” and those who are “not of God.” (John 8:47) These divisions are ordained of God and a blessing. (1 Corinthians 11:19) God gave all men free will and forces no one to love and obey Him. Jesus told us that the truth/His Word falls upon 4 different type heart soils (Luke 8:11-15). It is not mere man’s place to worry about that, only to observe it as he told us this was the case. So, cease from leaning to your own understand and simply “preach the word” in God’s love and wisdom (Ephesians 4:15). Listen to Jesus’ apostle and not only does he instruct us to “preach the word” but also to do it always and without respect to who receives or rejects it:
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:2-4
QUESTION RECEIVED:
“What is someone is no educated enough to read the King James Bible?”
REPLY:
Paul Hanrahan writes: “If somebody has problems with the words in the KJV then look them up in a dictionary to find the true meaning. Then you will get an education too. That’s what I do.”
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“For people like you and I, yes we can read the King James Bible, but we cannot be ignorant and assume everybody is well read like we are. Jesus did not speak English.”
REPLY:
Isn’t it ignorance to assume Jesus made excuses for people who read Arabic (which was the language He spoke) … like the excuses you are now making for those who speak English? God gave all humans a brain and the ability to LEARN. So you are saying that God gave us His Word in our language and yet we can’t learn to read it? Wow! You just indicted the LORD Almighty who created us in His image with the full ability and faculties to read and learn and increase intelligence.
“A wise man will hear, and will INCREASE LEARNING learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:” Proverbs 1:5
“Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will INCREASE IN LEARNING.” Proverbs 9:9
The word “learn” appears 32 time in God’s Word and yet you say people can’t learn?
I believe there’s an evil spirit behind this groundless foolishness. Satan wants people to remain dumb. God says “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” (Hosea 4:6) You are personally contributing to the ignorance and destruction of God’s people.
QUESTION RECEIVED:
“How do I defend the truth concerning Bible versions? I want to help others see?”
REPLY:
IF SOMEONE CHALLENGES YOU or foolishly disdains you for being a truth-seeking, discerning, born again believer who sees Satan’s counterfeits for what they are, first realize that such a person is in darkness. Then, simply ask them to explain ….
WHY is Matthew 17:21 missing from the new versions,
WHY is Romans 8:1 chopped in half in the new versions,
WHY is the very BLOOD of JESUS removed from Colossians 1:14, and
WHY is the clearest verse in the Bible destroyed , corrupted, and neutered in 1 John 5:7???
Things will get real silent at that point. I’ve seen it happened many, many times! No need to argue with anyone. Just literally lay the versions side-by-side!
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I use the King James Bible, yet I like to use other versions to help newer believers understand better.”
REPLY:
SWITCHING between Bible versions to get a better understanding? Not me friend. it is my personal conviction to give no credence whatsoever to the works of our LORD’s arch enemy …. and especially never to lead someone else to do so by referring to satanic versions …. Now beloved saints, I am not trying to make this a salvation issue and yet, when God’s very Word has been tampered with in any fashion, THAT is a major issue – with eternal consequences, right? Revelation 22:18-19 anyone? Bible Versions Issue
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Todd, I met a Young gentlemen at a Barnes and Noble bookstore, who was asking the Bookstore Employee, what the best selection of Bible is and when I heard him ask which Bible I quickly and humbly said the KING JAMES Bible (KJB).
He and I met, we spoke and I gave him my story how I found the Lord Jesus Christ and how it changed my Life. He gave me a brief summary of his Life. He is Catholic but said that he felt trapped in uncertainty regarding his relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.
I told him and let him know that the KJB was the most accurate and ONLY way to go.
I gave him my info, and I referred him to you as well and I’m feeling blessed that he was interested in the Born Again ministry, Praise God.
His name is Tony and am in prayer that he seeks the full truth, and indeed finds a newly restored relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Welcome to Jesus Tony Gomez and God bless you my brother in Christ. AMEN!” William
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I first started to learn about this 3 years ago, when the man I minister with, Chaplain John of John McTernan’s Insights when he told me to look carefully at Luke 4:18 in the KJV …then look in the NASB and NIV … Where they have completely REMOVED the part referring to “Jesus sent me to heal the Brokenhearted!” From that verse! Why? The enemy does NOT WANT YOU TO EVEN KNOW YOUR HEART IS BROKEN! Grrrrrrrrrrr…………” Danielle Stedman
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“But the Bible says to have self control.”
REPLY:
“Self-control” OR “temperance”? The King James Bible never once uses the term “SELF-control” which is a contradiction of Christ’s cross teachings. Meditate upon this. If you can control SELF, there is no need for Christ and the cross He commanded us to take up! The King James Bible uses the word “temperance” in the 9 dimensions of the fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). The KJB got it right as usual ….. think about this in light of the cross truth ….. We don’t control our self, we crucify it and in falling into Christ are saved from it. As is the case from Genesis to Revelation, the King James Bible got it right because God was in it, fulfilling His promise to preserve His Word to us (Psalms 12:6-7).
The new versions use the wording “self control” as one of the nine fruit of the Spirit.
Yet, we do not control self, God does through the cross ….. as we are crucified with Christ, the deeds of the body are mortified through the cross action in our inner life and self is dead and tempered by God, raised up by He who is the resurrection and the life (John 11:25). The KJB got it right as usual and as usual the new per-versions corrupted God’s Word in this text. Self-control or us controlling self contradicts the message of the cross.
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.” Galatians 5:22-24
“Of course you realize language changes. The word “gay” used to mean “happy.” See James 2:3.”
REPLY:
What does that have to do with the words the Almighty chose to construct His Word with? Changing words means changing the message …. inevitably. The LORD has used “holy men of God” to pen and preserve His Word as He promised He would do – “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)
Because Satan’s children now use gay as applied to their sin, what does that change? Ridiculous, lame argument. Did this sin cause the righteous not to know what gay really means?
The Bible tells us that we have the Scriptures because “HOLY men of God spoke as they were moved by the holy Ghost” and this is obviously the difference between the Authorized Version and the ones you trust. … Here you go, the NIV (Nearly/Not Inspired Version) will work for you …. even when 64,000 words were removed ….
The Book of Mormon tells its readers that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. Using your logic, the Book of Mormon is a good source because it doesn’t matter what “bible” one uses. The new versions are Vatican corrupted and controlled, so in your mind they are good sources also, right?
—- I believe the King James Bible is the preserved Word of God, the fulfillment of prophecy (Ps 12:6-7) to the English speaking people of the world and am very thankful to the LORD for His Word in our language. The King James Bible is God’s Word because it was taken from the Textus Receptus manuscripts instead of the Catholic corrupted and controlled manuscripts. The evidence is overwhelming that the other versions are counterfeits. … It is delusional and incomprehensible how anyone could believe that Satan ceased perverting the very words of God. He did such in the Garden and has never ceased. The LORD’s archenemy has many human emissaries to help him. “For ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.” (Jeremiah 23:36) Here is a variety of posts on this topic: Bible Versions Issue
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“IF…. you studied the language that the “original” was written in, you’d learn that words were translated by MAN sometimes with their own perspective added on to it. We’re just blessed to SEE that now. That does NOT send the old farmer to hell. (And I could give you several examples of that IN your KJV, if you really wanted to see it!) But HE told us to be Bereans. Well TODAY’S Bereans have access to the meaning of the GREEK words which may have been translated with “man’s” twist. Or how about all the “parenthetical” statements that are “added in”, that is NOT part of God’s “original” Word, but “man’s” interpretation ADDED TO God’s Word. I stand totally on God’s Word too… it’s just that some, no, every translation has issues. Does it mean I throw it out?? Absolutely not!! But today, I am blessed to be able to look up what the “original” word was, see what it meant every time it was used IN God’s Word and compare if it’s translated properly or not! People that say I just stand on it cuz “I believe it,” don’t know why or what they believe… they just “go on a feeling.” STUDY to show thyself approved. The KJV has all kinds of translation errors. I was going to list them, but I won’t unless you WANT to see what they are.” Susie
REPLY:
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” 2 Peter 1:20-21 Those who translated the Authorized Version from Hebrew and Greek were clearly “holy men,” set apart and commission by the LORD to do such. Check the utter perversion of the new versions and the corrupters of the manuscripts from which the new versions were taken. Then we can talk. It’s a circus of homosexual adulterers and satanists.
So God ceased to watch over His Word, to make sure we had His Word in our language and in our day? This would be to indict Him as a liar in light of His promise in Psalms 12:6-7.
“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” Psalms 12:6-7
The so-called “information age” is a delusion and has misled many. Whose information? A King James Bible (the pure Word of God) and the divine Person of the Holy Spirit are all that is needed. A Strong’s concordance and a few older commentaries are good too …… The King James Bible was translated by the 54 most skilled Hebrew and Greek scholars ever and it sounds like you’ve been sold a lie as far as them inserting their own viewpoints …. but that’s because Satan has fought the true Word of God from the Garden ….. all new versions are Vatican controlled and corrupted ….. words are always added to bridge the gap between languages, that’s no mystery. But only the King James puts those added words in italics …. which means only the King James translators had nothing to hide and were honest.
You say: “But HE told us to be Bereans. Well TODAY’S Bereans have access to the meaning of the GREEK words which may have been translated with “man’s” twist. Or how about all the “parenthetical” statements that are “added in,” that is NOT part of God’s “original” Word, but “man’s” interpretation ADDED TO God’s Word.”
You misused the biblical definition of a true Berean believer because they held even the apostle Paul to the Scriptures. They used ONLY the Holy Scriptures which are the divine rule/authority for all matters of faith in God. Nothing else carries such authority and this is all we need. Greek and Hebrew is no way to determine truth ultimately. Jesus never told us that the Greek and Hebrew would lead and guide His people into all truth but rather 1) the Holy Scriptures (John 5:39; 17:17; Ps 119:105, etc. and 2) the divine Person of the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 16:13; 1 John 2:20, 27, etc.).
What you are saying here is that YOU are better at Greek and Hebrew than the 54 scholars God amassed to give us His Word in English. This is laughable friend …. no offense meant but that’s exactly what “textual criticism” means …. evil hearted, arrogant dupes thinking they know better than God and that they have to correct God’s Word …. basically Bible agnostics who want to create a false god in their own image by changing His Word …. the promise of the very plague of the lake of fire is guaranteed for all who dare tamper with His Words (Rev. 22:18-19). please check this out and I pray you will humble yourself before the LORD.
It’s always amusing to see people make blanket statements they have no proof for. I believe you need to repent Susie. You are working as an insidious agent of the evil one …. whether you realize it or not …. to cast doubt on God’s very Word, just as SATAN did in the Garden and still does today through his agents …. when he said “Hath God said?” …. in other words the devil is the one behind the casting of doubt on whether or not God kept His Word of promise to keep His Word preserved to us or not (Ps 12:6-7) Ridiculous King James Bible Corrections
Message Received:
“When we say that our Bible is perfect we are talking about the Bible in it’s original form when it came off of the authors’ pen.”
Reply:
“Bill – What proof do you have the King James Bible is not perfect? … Also, so you are saying God lied and did not preserve His Word to us? – “The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” Ps 12:6-7 … and if He did and He sure did ….. those contradicting versions are obviously not of Him who is NOT “the author of confusion.” 1 Cor 14:33
My Personal Conviction
This is is okay? Wow!!!! Compare for yourself:
KJB – 1 John 5:7-8, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
NIV – 1 John 5:7-8, “For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”
I stand on both feet and say there is NO respect in my heart for the NIV or any new versions. If you don’t agree, that’s fine …. but please allow me the personal conviction and liberty.
Check out this simple manuscript chart … This chart will compare the difference between the Minority Text (which are based upon mainly 2 corrupted New Testament manuscripts) and the Majority Text (which are based upon over 5,000 New Testament manuscripts). Here it is.
A Common Defense of the Corrupted New Versions of the Bible:
“I can still get the doctrines of God and defend the faith from the new versions, even though there are many verses that have been removed and other additions to the text made.”
Response:
Bill, your reasoning, taken to it’s logical conclusion, would mean that if there was a glass of water sitting before you, and it only had a very small amount of contaminant in it, that that would be okay with you due to the most part of that glass of water being good clean water. …. Of doctrine, the Bible says: “A LITTLE leaven leaveneth (ruins) the whole lump.” Galatians 5:9
“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” Proverbs 30:5-6
Simple fact: God gave no man or committee of mere sinful men, the license or approval to add or take any word from His Word. In fact, the LORD attaches a very high price tag on such:
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19
It’s unbiblical and therefore faulty thinking to excuse such corruption of God’s Word and also an enjoining of the forces of darkness who have done this from the beginning … beginning right there in the Garden where Satan added just one 3-letter word which forever changed the course of history/mankind. He’s still at this same game (1 Corinthians 10:13). And, many have joined him in it by defending his corruption of God’s Word.
Check out this king who threw away (took away from) God’s Word …. that is, he used scissors to cut away the parts of God’s Word that he didn’t like ….. which is exactly what the committees of the new versions have done. Penknife Sacrilege
Wolves Warning
—- THINK about it: The same wolves we have who fill pulpits and books today with their pabulum, are the same devils who are perpetrating the new versions on us … the same Jesuit trained seminarians who endorse and only use the diabolically corrupted versions of the bible. Wow. These are the salesmen…. they are the ones who make those new versions sound grandiose and yet, when you do a little digging, you start to see that the new version editors were almost all perverts ….. unreal folks, unreal … no true disciple of Jesus would dare participate in butchering HIS Words …. such was the case with Dr. Frank Logsdon, a man you can read about on this link attached …. here.
4 Verses to Compare and you will see that the Bible versions are significantly different. Here are the 4 verses that rocked my world and forever changed my view of all these trash, fake, diabolical so-called bible versions … please put the KJB and NIV side by side on these and ALL arguments cease immediately:
“It’s the Holy Spirit who is our Teacher and so the words of a version don’t matter.”
Reply:
So if the words don’t matter, ANY old mere sinful man can make up his own “bible” and it’s still God’s Word? Wow! If the words don’t matter, WHY did God attach such a high price tag around the necks of those who dare tamper with it?
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19
The eternal plagues of Revelation, including the lake of fire, are the destiny of all who tamper with God’s Word.
That’s just it, the BIBLE is not mere man’s words … it’s God’s Word and to think that Satan hasn’t been warring against God’s Word is both ignorance of Scripture and blindness. Jesus says that “man shall not live (have life) by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” (Matt. 4:4; Lk 4:4)…. in the Garden Satan began his war on God’s Word by adding one 3-letter word to what God had said (2:17; 3:4) and also casting doubt on what God has stated – just like the new versions do in the text and their margin notes.
Note:
I don’t think we begin to truly see/perceive what a ferocious war we are in the middle of … and it’s been underway for thousands of years before we were even born (Eph. 6:12). To deny the notion that Satan himself would pervert the very words of the LORD would reveal us to be utterly gullible and blind …. because we see right in the beginning, in the Garden, how he did such, and throughout history. Penknife sacrilege has been going on among deceived men for centuries, right in the middle of that which is supposed to be God’s people ….. check this out:
Message Received:
“But it doesn’t matter what version of the Bible I use. The Holy Spirit will lead me and basically it’s all the same.”
Reply:
I mean are we saying that ALL bibles are inspired by the divine Person of the Holy Spirit?…. as if He’s schizophrenia and keeps changing? “I am the LORD, I change not.” (Malachi 3:6) … “FOREVER O LORD thy word is settled in heaven.” (Ps 119:89) … think about it ….. where’s this going to end? I mean now everyone is getting in on the act $$$$$ ….. there’s now a Gay bible? Again, where’s this going to end? Many are extremely appreciative of the preserved Word of God, especially in light of the modern day corruptions …. there seems to be a new, better than all the rest version of the bible that comes out every week or two …. More on the Bible Version issue here.
Message Received (common misconception):
“But we have the Holy Spirit so it doesn’t matter what Bible version we read.”
Reply:
Hi. The Bible says: “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: ” (Prov. 28:26) …. many say “Follow your heart” but the Bible warns against this …. because our hearts are corrupted and this is exactly why God gave us and why we need to have His pure Word (Gen. 6:5, 12; Jer. 17:9, etc.) …. so we are not deceived and misled by our own hearts or anyone else’s ….. Ps 119:105 is an important memory verse to live by and also our LORD’s words in Matt 4:4. “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.” Prov 28:26
The Danger of Corrupting God’s Word:
—- Dr. Frank Logston was appointed as the professor to oversee the creation of yet another new version of the English bible, the NASB (North American SINNER Bible haha) ….. look at what Dr. Logston realized in the midst of this atrocity and how he repented, fearing for his own eternal soul at what he had done and participated in ….. Never forget our LORD’s grave warning in Rev. 22:18-19 – “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” See it here in his own words and on video.
RECENTLY:
Had a long time “friend” on FB cite me for being absurd for objecting to his view of the new versions and for believing God preserved His written Word to the English people in the King James Bible. He refused to deal directly with me. He either already has or could easily get my phone number. Matt 18:15-17 …. Is he hiding in his darkness? Why is he afraid to discuss this issue? What does Don have to hide about his views? Why was he not willing to discuss this matter if it is causing unnecessary division? Didn’t Jesus tell us that truth always causes division – between those who believe it and those who don’t? He said he believed I was causing division and he’s correct because when the truth is revealed, it naturally divides those who believe it and those who refuse it. Here’s my reply.
REPLY:
“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” Matt 10:34
That’s divine division, amen. See also 1 Cor. 11:19.
Okay here’s my response to Don … please keep in mind that I am not upset or in strife with Don, yet since he brings this on, I am simply addressing it. And, just because I disagree with him doesn’t make this standpoint wrong. Weigh all the evidence ……
Please explain to us all why it is “absurdity” to be alarmed that:
The new versions were intentionally translated from Catholic manuscripts,
Matt 17:21 is missing from many new versions,
Rom. 8:1 is cut in half,
The very BLOOD of Christ has been removed from Col. 1:14,
1 John 5:7, the clearest verse in the Bible on the triune nature of God is butchered and neutered in new versions…..
64,000 words are missing from the best selling “bible” the NIV …..
Please explain to us all why it’s “absurdity” to be alarmed by these atrocities …. oh and feel free to man up and call me: 214-…
I was informed that this man has been indoctrinated by Dan Corner who is greatly amiss concerning this Bible versions issue. How any true follower of Jesus could say that these corruptions are okay is absolute atrocity. … God’s Word is Inspired and Preserved
—– The fact that most pastors use new versions of the Bible, which are clearly and obviously corrupt, is clear evidence of the prophesied apostasy in the modern church world. Any person who can ignore even one instance of perversion of God’s Word, has a serious spiritual problem (at best).
What’s up with that seminarian sissy you call pastor? Why didn’t he show you this???? If Bible versions and the diabolical corruption (changing by adding to or taking away) is no big deal, why did the almighty attached such a high price tag of judgment upon such? Rev. 22:18-19 if your pastors uses a new version, he’s in darkness.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“Hebrew is not that difficult to learn. You should take a class. Reading from right to left is actually easier. Then you don’t need anybody else’s translation.”
REPLY:
Do you have no conviction at all concerning the lies you have told?
FYI: I’ve been to 2 Bible colleges/Universities. I know your game. The LORD gave us His Word in our language and you are saying we can’t understand it. Funny you would never say that we can’t understand any other book on earth in English.
You are denying that God kept His Word to preserve His Word to us in English in this generation (Ps 12:6-7). You are saying that God didn’t do a good job and that He hates this generation (which would mean He changed) and could care less that this generation of millions of English speaking people had His Word. Unreal! It’s very likely that you yourself don’t know Hebrew sufficiently.
QUESTION ASKED:
“You know I’m a lover of truth and would never speak against God’s holy word for He is the word and the word is spoken by the Spirit and I would believe that of I did I would be in danger of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit…however please let me know about the comfortable King James Bible…” Cat
REPLY:
The so called archaic words have their specific purpose. The devil is a snake. Firstly, you will much more readily memorize the highest form of the English language, namely when the KJB uses the “archaic” words…. secondly, thee and thou are very specifically referring to God and the worship of HIM alone whereas you and your etc can be plural … and general… meditate on this. Get the book “In Awe of Thy Word” at avpublications.com ….. you will see the beauty and blessing in the KJB like never before.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I have a NKJV doesn’t have that symbol. ..but regardless. ..thank you for sharing ..I will be getting a KJV instead. After all we are to live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God!” Devin
REPLY:
AMEN brother Devin. All this that is coming out on all the new versions …. which just makes my heart so appreciate our LORD for the preservation of His Word to us …. from the Majority manuscripts and brought through the committee He assembled of the 54 most profound Hebrew and Greek scholars ever amassed.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I love the Lord very much. And am very careful who to trust / believe! I believe NO MAN! only the Word of God cos there are so many false teachers and wolves in sheep’s clothing. The Holy Spirit is my teacher. John 2:27 ► Parallel Verses King James Version But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
I have a Q. I have heard of tribes who have never ever seen a bible in their lives don’t even know what a book looks like have never seen a white face b4 but then missionaries go to these places and come upon these tribes coming with God’s Word. And before they even begin these people of these tribes begin to quote scripture word for word…. How do you explain this? When no man has taught them? The Holy Spirit is our teacher Todd, only God can help us learn and understand His word by His Spirit the Holy Spirit, who lives in us.”
REPLY:
The LORD gave us teachers to help us learn HIS Word Eph 4:12-13 … to mature and equip us.
Ultimately it’s the LORD who confirms the truth of His Word in our hearts and yet, we can learn much from His Word by dwelling together in it with other members of His body – see Col. 3:16; Acts 2:42-47
Teachers … these men are merely there to help us learn HIS Word …. not to be our ultimate teacher ….. John 16:13; 14:26; Ps 119 ….and most of these true elders are NOT found in brick buildings on Sunday morning. They aren’t posers or actors (hypocrites) who are known by how they wait till Sundays to put on the sheep cloaks over their wolf hides. ….and the LORD’s their Teacher and yet, this in NO WAY justifies perverting God’s Word or using a perverted version of His Word once we’ve been given the information exposing the Satanic counterfeits.
God the Holy Spirit gave us His Word and He will NEVER say anything contrary. If we do not realize this truth – that God gave us His Word and changes not – we will be ultimately deceived and willingly misled. Study this, OK: Mal. 3:6; Ps. 119:89 and Mk. 13:31
This is also an extremely essential passage to know: “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” 2 Peer 1:19-21
Peter said he loved Jesus and would never deny Him and then denied the Son of God 3 times ….. not good to say that …. not one of us loves Him as we should.
How God deals with tribes in the rain forest does nothing to negate or change how He deals with and holds us accountable who have His written Word. That’s a diversion of the enemy.
QUESTION RECEIVED:
“What about the NKJV, the New King James Bible?
REPLY:
“—- 666 and the New King James Bible
Carefully notice the cover below, showing an occult symbol forming, 666, on the cover of Nelson Publisher’s New King James Bible. This is a corrupted version of the Bible, based upon the CORRUPT Greek texts of heretics Westcott and Hort. Please use only the original “King James Bible”; not the “New King James Bible,” nor the “21st Century King James Bible” (which is copyrighted and thus cannot be God’s Word). Only God owns the Bible.
Symbols are used throughout the occult. Harpers’ Encyclopedia of Mystical & Paranormal Experience (p.594) says,
“Symbols are important to all esoteric teachings, for they contain secret wisdom accessible only to the initiated.”
Many people have asked about the mysterious symbol on the NKJV.
Thomas Nelson Publishers (publishers of the NKJV) claim, on the inside-cover, the symbol, “. . .is an ancient symbol for the Trinity.” But Acts 17:29, clearly FORBIDS such symbology: “. . . we ought NOT to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, GRAVEN BY ART and man’s device.”
And why does The Aquarian Conspiracy, a key New Age “handbook,” bear a similar symbol? New Agers freely admit it represents three interwoven “6”s or “666”.
Constance Cumbey, author of The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow and a notable authority on the New Age Movement, said, “On the cover of the Aquarian Conspiracy is a Mobius, it is really used by them as triple six (666). The emblem on the cover of the New King James Bible is said to be an ancient symbol of the Trinity. The old symbol had Gnostic origins. It was more Gnostic than Christian. I was rather alarmed when I noticed the emblem…” (The New Age Movement, Southwest Radio Church, 1982 p.11)
The three esoteric “6”’s separated.
Plainly displaying the interlocked “666.”
The Triqueta is used as the centerpiece for the logo for The Institute of Transpersonal Psychology (ITP). The ITP is a New Age demonic school following the Jungian Psychology [occultist Carl Jung]. One of their stated goals is to reach the recognition of divinity within (see Genesis 3:5, “…ye shall be as gods…”).
Textum ergo habes, nunc ab omnibus receptum: in quo nihil immutatum aut corruptum damus. Translated “so you hold the text, now received by all, in which nothing corrupt.”
The two words, “textum” and “receptum“, were modified from the accusative to the nominative case to render textus receptus. Over time, this term has been retroactively applied to Erasmus’ editions, as his work served as the basis of others that followed. Many supporters of the Textus Receptus will name any manuscript which agrees with the Textus ReceptusGreek as a “Textus Receptus” type manuscript. This type of association can also apply to early church quotations and language versions.
MESSAGE RECEIVED: “Question: Why would you think it is better to translate from Hebrew /Greek to Latin then to English? Seems kinds of strange. Now that we have the Dead Sea scrolls we can get quite a clear picture of intent. I like to read verses in 4 or 5 translations when I study, which is easy to do with Bible websites which offer 20 or more at a click. It doesn’t really change anything but gives even more understanding. Saying KJ only is really limiting. I do prefer some verses better in the KJ for the poetry and I […]
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TODAY’s apostate preachers created a counterfeit generation of false converts, entitled, self-serving counterfeits. There is no fruit proving they are truly born again. Their “christianity” consists of “church” attendance at a cross-less fake church that uses a fake “bible”, preaches a fake “Jesus”, and has a fake “pastor.” Beware. This was specifically foretold (2 Timothy 3:1-13; 4:1-5). The true disciple of Jesus will listen only to men who fear God and not you/them (2 Samuel 23:3; Matthew 10:28; Galatians 1:10) – and therefore they forcefully declare the whole of His truth straight up into your face! Repent or perish, sinner! […]
DOES THE BIBLE SAY TO PRAY FOR FALSE TEACHERS? The Answer May Surprise You.
DOES THE BIBLE SAY TO PRAY FOR OR DOES IT MANDATE THAT WE EXPOSE FALSE TEACHERS?
No, it’s not a sin to pray for the deceived. Yet, isn’t it time we obeying the command of God and stopped giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the LORD and cease caring for them more than the many they are deceiving?
A DIVINE COMMAND: “Now I beseech you, brethren, MARK THEM which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” Romans 16:17-18
Wolf worshippers are first and foremost self-worshipping counterfeits who could care less how many souls their celebrity wolf is leading to hell. All they care about is the sensual thrill they feel in worshipping their demon-possessed false prophet who tells them what they like to hear!
NEVER apologize for exposing false teachings and false teachers. You do such in obedience to the LORD and it results in the protection of the Great Shepherd’s sheep for whom He died (Matthew 10; Hebrews 13:20).
Did Jesus or His apostles ever pray for a wolf? No.
To the false leaders of his day, Jesus says this:
“Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers (snakes), how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” Matthew 23:33
Do nothing to “bid God speed” to the enemies of the LORD lest you be judged with those enemies of God (2 John 10-11). Bidding God speed means to condone, to support, or in any way to further the cause of the enemies of God, namely human agents who are teaching contrary to the Scripture.
So he’s not calling out the wolves and you still sit under that devil? You want to go to hell with him? (2 John 10-11) Repent and run now! (Matthew 7:15; 24:11; Romans 16:17-18; Jude 3, etc.)
Of the false teachers at Galatia, Paul says he wishes they, the false prophets, were “cut off.” Make not mistake, this is violent language.
“I would they were even cut off which trouble you.” Galatians 5:12
To “cut off” means to castrate, to mutilate, to amputate and so Paul is either saying that his God fearing desire is for false teachers to be castrated or taken out completely. There’s no getting around this appropriately violent language. It’s fitting for this situation because the eternal souls of men, the sheep of Christ’s pasture are at stake.
Many self-deceived people today have more compassion for Satan’s hell bound false leaders than they do for the beloved sheep who are being being misled by those wolves in sheep’s clothing! Repent now.
Beware of misplaced compassion. Compassion without discernment, compassion while ignorant, is dangerous.
The the false prophet Elymas, the apostle says:
“And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?” Acts 13:10
Can anyone find in this Acts 13 text where Christ’s apostle Paul pray for this Elymas, this named false prophet? I’m sorry, perhaps I missed something here.
There seems to be no end to the novices, perhaps well meaning, who argue out of their own ignorance to defend wolves who are devouring Jesus’ sheep. They come off as if they are highly superior in approaching, dealing with wolves with “love” and accuse those who expose as not doing so. Let’s take a look at who’s walking in true love, and who isn’t.
“Open rebuke is better than secret (hidden, concealed) love. 6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.” Proverbs 27:5-6
Hebrew word for “secret” …..
סָתַר
sâthar
saw-thar’
A primitive root; to hide (by covering), literally or figuratively: – be absent, keep close, conceal, hide (self), (keep) secret, X surely.
As you will see below, it seems accurate to observe that we’ve never seen “love” like the love of prey for the wolf that’s tickled their ears and told them what their unrepentant hearts wish to hear (Isaiah 30:9-10; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).
Most wolf protecting enemies of Christ simply don’t know and don’t want to know what God says about this topic. They are under the control of Satan himself, covering for his agents and will be judged with them (2 John 10-11). God doesn’t like cowards (1 Corinthians 16:13; Revelation 21:8). The “fearful” are the first class listed as going to the lake of fire.
Those who defend Jesus’ enemy’s will be judged, damned with them (2 Pet 2:1-3; 2 Jn 10-11).
TYPICAL DEFENSE OF A WOLF BY HIS PREY:
“But wait, he’s led many thousands to the Lord!”
REPLY:
Jesus saves all by Himself, even using wolves at times. That is a front, intentionally taught to you by the wolf to cover, to keep himself from being detected, like sheep’s clothing (Matthew 7:15). After witnessing the “ministry” of this false teacher for years, I highly doubt most of those people truly were saved. He doesn’t even speak of the chasm their sin has caused so how can they truly be convicted and repent? They can’t in most cases. Luke 13:3…. If God truly did save some of them, it was in spite of White, not because of him.
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“I do applaud your zeal for truth! I personally just think it is wise exercising prudence about knowing the hearts of men or women, only God knows. He will separate the wheat from the chaff.”
REPLY:
Jesus commanded us to “KNOW (Gr. discern) by their fruits” and told us that “out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.” (Matthew 15-16, 20; 12:34) ALL men are known by the fruit of what they teach – either sound or false doctrine (Titus 2:1). Why would the Son of God told us to “KNOW” people by the fruit of their lives if He didn’t want us to discern, to “Judge righteous judgment”? (John 7:24)
God knows all men’s hearts yes and yet GOD commanded us to know people also. How? Jesus says to “know (discern) them BY THEIR FRUITS” and thereby we know that anyone teaching “another gospel” is “accursed” and is the very enemy of Christ and to be “earnestly” contended against and marked, scoped out and identified – so as to protect the body of Christ (Matthew 7:16, 20; Romans 16:17-18; Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Peter 2:1-3; Jude 3-4).
HOW DID JESUS tell us to know/discern others? The FRUIT of their lives (Matt 7:16,20) THE FACT that JESUS told us to “know” (discern) people means He wants us to do so! (Matt 7:16,20) Same chapter as “judge not” v1-5 When Jesus taught us to “judge not” He is speaking in that context of hypocritical judgment and wrongly assigned condemnation. The JUDGE has spoken in a book called THE BIBLE. He’s calling us to pay attention when we read it. His written WORD records for us HIS judgments – the judgments of the Judge. So when a man preaches the Word, he is preaching GOD’s judgments, warnings, and not his own.
MESSAGE TO ME FROM A MAN ATTEMPTING TO CURTAIL THE MARKING OF A KNOWN WOLF:
“Dear Lord Jesus Please show Todd White your Holy Truth. May Todd White find peace and assurance in your wisdom and may he become a light upon a hill guiding others to Christ. Help him to leave behind his old self and ignite in him a desire to unashamedly make known Your Truth and disown and depart from the untruths he has held onto. In Jesus Mighty name we ask, Amen. Matthew chapter 5 verse 44’ But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”
REPLY:
Can you give chapters and verses where Jesus or His holy apostles specifically prayed for a wolf? Ever read Matthew 23?
Interesting that you seem to hate all those precious many souls Todd White is misleading. Interesting. Why don’t all those precious souls matter to you? If you aren’t defending Todd White, why do you seem to care more for him than those many people he’s misleading?
How intense was Jesus’ apostle Paul about protecting Christ’s flock?
“For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.” Acts 20:27-31
In Matthew 5:38-45 Christ is speaking of not retaliating against OUR enemies. Jesus is speaking of how we are to react to OUR ENEMIES, not HIS enemies in Matt 5:44. HIS enemies in specific are those who are misleading HIS people, the sheep for which HE bled to save on that cross. You are misguided and taking Scripture out of context. What did He mandate that His disciple do?
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 3-4
GOD TOLD YOU TO “MARK THEM” – WOLVES – AND NOT DEFEND THEM! (ROMANS 16:17-18) YOU GOING TO OBEY GOD OR REBEL?
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” Romans 16:17-18
Todd White is being marked, scoped out (Gr. skopeo) and named, identified as an enemy of Christ, a wolf in sheep’s clothing (Matt 7:15) so His people can be aware and escape being deceived…. no different than warning your children not to go near the street. Danger.
MESSAGE FROM WOLF JUSTIFIER:
“I believe we can still learn from (false) preachers and pastors biblical teaching, but we must test the spirits. Bring what is taught back to the word. Paul Washer, MacArthur, Spurgeon all preachers. Even today’s motivational speakers. I use what the Holy Spirit blessed me with, discernment, knowledge, wisdom.”
REPLY:
Good morning. Yes and yet, the LORD mandates that we separate ourselves from His enemies who pose as His ministers yet Paul says they are actually the ministers of Satan (2 Cor 11:12-15). Jude 3; Rom 16:17-18 …. we know all men, beginning with ourselves by the fruit…. false doctrine is bad fruit which means the root and tree is cursed. Matt 7:15-21; 12:33
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Paul Washer, MacArthur, Spurgeon are all calvinist heretics. Everything they say, teach is poisoned with this calvinistic system, a doctrine of devils.
The Holy Spirit blessed you with the Word and so why do you need to even listen to known false teachers? Why would you? (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:19-21, etc.)
How would you feel if your own husband communed with a sworn enemy of yours? How does Jesus feel by what you’ve just said?
SETTING THE BIBLICAL RECORD STRAIGHT
Jesus commanded HIS people to “JUDGE righteous judgment” (John 7:24) And, He commanded us to know/discern others “BY THEIR FRUITS” and that’s exactly what we’re doing under the command of KING JESUS (Matthew 7:16, 20). Dare you interfere with HIS work and become His enemy? You are bidding Godspeed to evil doers, satan’s wolves in sheep’s clothing, and you will be judged with those enemies of Christ if you don’t repent (2 John 10-11).
Jesus and each of His apostles on record in the New Testament canon warned the flock of wolves who would devour! There is no instance where they prayed for an enemy of Christ, a wolf who was misleading the flock of God.
Here is the list of the 8 evil doers the great apostle was divinely inspired to justifiably identify by name in 2 Timothy – in order to protect God’s people:
1) Phygellus 1:15
2) Hermogenes 1:15
3) Hymenaeus 2:17
4) Philetus 2:17
5) Jannes 3:8
6) Jambres 3:8
7) Demas 4:10 (apostate)
8) Alexander the coppersmith 4:14
Read the book of 2 Timothy and underline these deceivers that the apostle was marking.
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Spiritual Formation—A Dangerous Substitute for the Life of Christ [podcast]
Sometimes we think of spiritual formation as formation by the Holy Spirit. Once again. That’s essential. . . . But now I have to say something that may be challenging for you to think about: Spiritual formation is not all by the Holy Spirit. . . . We have to recognize that spiritual formation in us is something that is also done to us by those around us, by ourselves, and by activities which we voluntarily undertake . . .There has to be method.1—Dallas Willard
Aside from the fact that Spiritual Formation incorporates mystical practices into its infrastructure (remove the contemplative aspect and you don’t have “Spiritual Formation” anymore), Spiritual Formation is a works-based substitute for biblical Christianity. Let us explain.
When one becomes born again (“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” (Romans 10:9-10), having given his or her life and heart over to Christ as Savior, Jesus Christ says He will come in and live in that surrendered heart:
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Revelation 3:20)
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (Colossians 1:27)
If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (Romans 8:11; emphasis added)
When God, through Jesus Christ, is living in us, He begins to do a transforming work in our hearts (2 Corinthians 3:18). Not only does He change us, He also communes with us. In other words, we have fellowship with Him, and He promises never to leave or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5).
This life of God in the believer’s heart is not something we need to conjure up through meditative practices. But if a person does not have this relationship with the Lord, he may seek out ways to feel close to God. This is where Spiritual Formation comes into play. Rather than a surrendered life to Christ (through repentance and faith), the seeking person begins practicing the spiritual disciplines (e.g., prayer, fasting, good works, etc.) with the promise that if he practices these disciplines, he will become more Christ-like.
But merely doing these acts fails to make one feel close to God—something is still missing. And thus, he begins practicing the discipline of silence (or solitude), and now in these altered states of silence, he finally feels connected to God. He now feels complete. What he does not understand is that he has substituted the indwelling of Christ in his heart for a works-based methodology that endangers his spiritual life. Dangerous because these mystical experiences he now engages in appear to be good because they make him feel close to God, but in reality he is being drawn into demonic realms no different than what happens to someone who is practicing transcendental meditation or eastern meditation. Even mystics themselves acknowledge that the contemplative realm is no different than the realm reached by occultists. To understand this more fully, please read Ray Yungen’s book A Time of Departing.
Bottom line, it is not possible to be truly Christ-like without having Christ inside of us because it is His righteousness that is able to change our hearts—we cannot do it without Him. It is His righteousness we need:
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe. (Romans 3:22)
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith. (Philippians 3:9)
It is interesting to note that virtually every contemplative teacher has a common theme—they feel dry and empty and want to go “deeper” with God or “become more intimate” with God. But if we have Christ living in us, how can we go any deeper than that? How can we become more intimate than that? And if going deeper and becoming intimate were so important, why is it that none of the disciples or Jesus Himself ever told us to do this? As Larry DeBruyn states:
Why are Christians seeking a divine presence that Jesus promised would abundantly flow in them? . . . Why do they need another voice, another visitation, or another vision? Why are some people unthankfully desirous of “something more” than what God has already given to us? Why is it that some Christians, in the depth of their souls, are not seemingly at rest?2
Is There a “Good” Spiritual Formation?
One of the most common arguments we hear defending Spiritual Formation is that there is a “good” Spiritual Formation done without contemplative prayer. To that we say, we have never yet seen a Spiritual Formation program in a school or a church that doesn’t in some way point people to the contemplative mystics. It might be indirectly, but in every case, if you follow the trail, it will lead you right into the arms of Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, and other contemplative teachers.
Think about this common scenario: A Christian college decides to begin a Spiritual Formation course. The instructor has heard some negative things about Richard Foster, Henri Nouwen, and Brennan Manning, and he figures he will teach the class “good Spiritual Formation” and leave those teachers completely out. But he’s going to need a textbook. He turns to a respected institution, Dallas Theological Seminary, and finds a book written by Paul Pettit, Professor in Pastoral and Education Ministries. The book is titled Foundations of Spiritual Formation. The instructor who has found this book to use in his own class may never mention Richard Foster or Dallas Willard, but the textbook he is using does. Within the pages of Pettit’s book is Richard Foster, Philip Yancey, N.T. Wright, Dallas Willard, Thomas Aquinas, Lectio Divina, Ayn Rand, Parker Palmer, Eugene Peterson, J.P. Moreland, Klaus Issler, Bruce Demarerst, Jim Burns, Kenneth Boa and Brother Lawrence’s “practicing God’s presence.” You may not have heard of all these names, but they are all associated with the mystical contemplative prayer movement and the emerging church.
Another example of this is Donald Whitney’s book Spiritual Disciplines for the Christian Life. Whitney is former Associate Professor at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and currently at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. While his book does not promote contemplative mysticism, he says that Richard Foster has “done much good”3 in the area of Christian spirituality (which we believe is blatantly untrue).
Our point is that even if there is a sincere attempt to teach Spiritual Formation and stay away from the mystical side, we contend that it cannot be successfully accomplished because it will always lead back to the ones who have brought it to the church in the first place.
Spiritual formation is sweeping throughout Christianity today. It’s no wonder when the majority of Christian leaders have either endorsed the movement or given it a silent pass. For instance, in Chuck Swindoll’s book So You Want to Be Like Christ: 8 Essential Disciplines to Get You There, Swindoll favorably quotes Richard Foster and Dallas Willard. Swindoll calls Celebration of Discipline a “meaningful work”4 and Willard’s book The Spirit of the Disciplines “excellent work.”5 In chapter three, ”Silence and Solitude,” Swindoll talks about “digging for secrets . . . that will deepen our intimacy with God.”6 Quoting the contemplative poster-verse Psalm 46:10, “Be still, and know that I am God,” Swindoll says the verse is a call to the “discipline of silence.”7 As other contemplative proponents have done, he has taken this verse very much out of context.
Roger Oakland sums it up:
The Spiritual Formation movement . . . teaches people that this is how they can become more intimate with God and truly hear His voice. Even Christian leaders with longstanding reputations of teaching God’s word seem to be succumbing. . . .
We are reconciled to God only through his “death” (the atonement for sin), and we are presented “holy and unblameable and unreproveable” when we belong to Him through rebirth. It has nothing to do with works, rituals, or mystical experiences. It is Christ’s life in the converted believer that transforms him.8
“For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” Romans 5:10
What Christians need is not a method or program or ritual or practice that will supposedly connect them to God. What we need is to be “in Christ” (1 Corinthians 1:30) and Christ in us. And He has promised His Spirit “will guide [us] into all truth” (John 16:13).
“But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:” 1 Corinthians 1:30
In Colossians 1:9, the apostle Paul tells the saints that he was praying for them that they “might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding.” He was praying that they would have discernment (“spiritual understanding”). He said that God, the Father, has made us “partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light” (vs 12) and had “delivered us from the power of darkness [i.e., power of deception]” (vs. 13). But what was the key to having this wisdom and spiritual understanding and being delivered from the power of darkness? Paul tells us in that same chapter. He calls it “the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints” (vs. 26). What is that mystery? Verse 27 says: “To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory” (emphasis added).
For those wanting to get involved with the Spiritual Formation movement (i.e., contemplative, spiritual direction), consider the “direction” you will actually be going.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel. (Colossians 1:21-23)
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power. (Colossians 2: 8-10)
This article is an extract from the Lighthouse Trails booklet, Is Your Church Doing Spiritual Formation? (Important Reasons Why They Shouldn’t). To order this booklet, click here.
Endnotes:
1. Dallas Willard, “Spiritual Formation: What it is, and How it is Done” (https://dwillard.org/resources/articles/spiritual-formation-what-it-is-and-how-it-is-done).
2. Larry DeBruyn, “God’s Present of His Presence” (https://www.guardinghisflock.org/gods-present-of-his-presence/ ).
3. Donald Whitney, “Doctrine and Devotion: A Reunion Devoutly to be Desired” (http://web.archive.org/web/20080828052145/http://biblicalspirituality.org/devotion.html).
4. Chuck Swindoll, So You Want to Be Like Christ: 8 Essential Disciplines to Get You There (Nashville, TN:W Publishing Group, a div. of Thomas Nelson, 2005), p. 15.
5. Ibid., p. 13.
6. Ibid., p. 55.
7. Ibid.
8. Roger Oakland, Faith Undone (Eureka, MT: Lighthouse Trails Publishing, 2007), pp. 91-92.
This has been an extract from our booklet Is Your Church Doing Spiritual Formation? (Important Reasons Why It Shouldn’t). To order this booklet, click here.
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“According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:” Ephesians 1:4
Holiness comes by the Savior in self denial (death and burial – the cross), not by self will or effort. Surrender is the cross – “NOT my will but thine be done” (Lk. 22:42) and “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit” (Luke 23:46). We surrender to Christ by saying “Not my will but thine be done” dear Lord, by Your grace and the deliberate act of my own will I submit to the cross, the crucified life – where You alone reign supreme in this vessel (Luke 22:42; Galatians 2:20, etc.). I love You LORD Jesus! You must increase but I must decrease! (John 3:30)
Holiness, not happiness, is the divine command, the chief purpose and end of Christ’s salvation.
Of holiness, one disciple writes:
“Holiness speaks more to nature than it does conduct. Good conduct is the spontaneous byproduct of the new nature of the new creation man thru the cross and death to the old nature. We are new creatures in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17-18). To preach holiness as conduct without the new nature thru the cross understanding is legalism. Holiness is actually derived from ‘wholeness’ meaning the thorough transformation of the whole tripartite man (1 Thess 5:23). So many of these ‘holiness’ preachers are preaching nothing but conduct under law. Law arouses sinful passions and causes sin to increase and was given in order to provoke transgressions (Rom 7:5; 5:20; Gal 3:21). They are enemies of the cross!”
Holiness comes by way of the cross, not by way of the flesh. Just as sin was conquered by the cross of Christ, so sin in the life of the saint is conquered by the daily cross – the crucified life (Luke 9:23-24; Romans 6; Galatians 2:20; Colossians 3:3, etc.). It’s time to stop trying harder and to simply die deeper.
NOTICE: When a believer or group of believers backslides, they no longer separate from the transgressors who are unrepentant:
Fornication Defiles
“It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have (Gr. possessed and wouldn’t repent) his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5:1-2
The Glorious Church Jesus is Returning for [video]
WHAT church/people is Jesus returning for? “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” Ephesians 5:25-27 “a glorious church” “not having spot (no sin)“ No “wrinkle” “or any such thing” “but that it should be holy and without blemish” WHAT’s the use of talking about end times […]
Can a True Believer Overcome All Sin? [podcast]
Yes. In the church world, there’s an abundance of talk about sin and it comes with the notion, the inflection, the false assumption that somehow, born again believers are relegated to sinning, as if there’s no other choice. Is that true? Is this the biblical perspective? What I want us to do is make sure we are looking at the whole of Scripture and be blessed to gain a godly confidence that our Savior provided a perfect salvation that includes more than just the initial washing away of our sins. This “great grace” that He provided in His “so […]
The Truth about Holiness [podcast]
“Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?” Exodus 15:11 As we just read, divine “holiness” is “glorious.” Holiness is not what most of us think it is. Holiness in the divine economy is something of great “beauty” and utterly refreshing (Psalms 96:9). It seems that holiness is not merely a divine attribute but rather the divine nature of the Almighty. Are we ready to allow our LORD, who alone is “Holy, holy, holy,” to define what holiness truly is and how He brings it […]
