Christianity is only cool because of CHRIST!
“But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.” Galatians 6:14
“The modern church has a problem. We’re looking for validation, not from God but from the world. The same world that crucified Jesus, you want that to love you? It’s never going to happen. Christianity is not validated nor is it discredited by its acceptance or rejection by celebrities.” Spencer Smith
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. … Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:13-14, 20
It seems that the wolves who are exploiting, using Kanye West, are the ones who bear the greatest blame.
Personally I was skeptical of the idea that Kanye West got saved. This is due to the fake celebrity salvations we’ve previously seen.
One sister insists that Kanye could not possibly be saved because if he was saved, he couldn’t possibly yoke with the likes of obvious false prophet Joel Osteen. She offered this verse to prove her point:
“Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” Amos 3:3
Is that the only Scripture to consider in discerning this?
Are some rushing to judgment against Kanye West?
Is it possible that God could be using Kanye West?
Frank Telford writes:
“God started using Donald Trump and some Christians got mad. Now God is using Kanye West and they’re even more mad! ‘What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.’ Phil 1:18″
Some believe this is a fully planned deception to use Kanye’s fame to bring true believers under the antichrist catholic church. Could be.
Now, when people use old videos, quotes, and pictures about a person, BEFORE they supposedly got saved, that should be discounted because when God saves someone, they become “a new creature: old things are passed away.” (2 Corinthians 5:17-18) Yet, it’s now come to my attention, someone sent me a graphic of Kanye West at Osteen’s “church” where he’s flashing the 666 illuminati hand signal. When talking to a close friend and minister, he said he also did the same thing out of habit after he was saved. Either way, this should be of concern.
Can the LORD save someone who was previously a satanist (illuminati, etc.)? He’s done it many times.
SO God saves a person who was a performer in the world and then they begin to use their gifts to praise HIM … and you have a problem with that?
While Christ’s disciples are commanded to be discerning and to know all men “by their fruit,” wrongly judging others is a sin and often a cover up for our own sins. Beware (Matthew 7:1-5; 16, 20; Romans 2:1-3).
“Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” James 4:11-12
“I’m thrilled that Kanye says he is saved and turned from the satanic Illuminati. Praise God. Just like his song says that the ‘Christians are the first one to judge him and he feels like nobody loves him.’ Let’s love him Saints without judgment. Who made us judge and jury? Give him a chance unless his fruits show otherwise.” Suzanne
So, in general, if the LORD chooses to save someone, does HE need our puny, no-count permission to do so? No.
There’s a time to judge (John 7:24). The Scriptures much be searched daily to see whether that which poses as God’s truth is truly that, or a counterfeit. And, we should make sure we aren’t attacking a true believer.
If we are looking for a revival anywhere else except between ourselves and the LORD, we can be misled. So, this disciple doesn’t look to some leader to lead a so-called “revival.” No need for a national or worldwide revival in the future when we have Jesus, the Holy Ghost, and the Bible today, right with us. Revival begins today, with us and Jesus! What are you waiting for beloved?
Beware of today’s armchair pharisees: Remember that none of the work of satan negates the work of the Almighty. Many times perhaps we get so clued in to the work the devil that we may lose site of the work of Christ in others and through His body and by His Word and Holy Ghost. In the early church we see it all going on simultaneously. Today we see more of satan’s work prospering and paralyzing believers who perhaps should be more concentrating of preaching the Gospel to the poor, the lost… like Jesus and the earliest saints did as they were full of the Holy Ghost and turned the world upside down, right? (Acts 1:8; 8:4; 17:6).
If you’ve been born again for a few years, you’ve probably witnessed “stars” being saved or supposedly and how the wolves of the modern church seized upon the opportunity to use them for their own self-serving promotion, agenda. | Born Again? What Does That Mean
Some doubt that Kanye has been saved. His past life of sin is very public. So, many are having a difficult time believing Jesus actually saved him. Other things that Kanye is doing increase this valid concern. Did Jesus truly save this man? Perhaps they read into everything he’s doing now due to the tainting of his past. Whether Kanye is truly saved or not, we should consider the following scenario from Acts 9 where some members of Christ’s body doubted that Saul was truly saved or not. Remember this? Watch …
“And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. 27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.” Acts 9:26-27
Did you notice that it was beloved Barnabas who took Paul from there to the apostles and testified how Christ had confronted and saved Paul and how Paul was already preaching Jesus? Previously, Saul participated in the death of Stephen (Acts 7:54-60). Yet now, the saints at Jerusalem were experiencing the fruit, a peace due to Saul/Paul now being brought to Christ (Acts 9:31). Saul had previously wreaked great evil on the people of God.
“As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.” Acts 8:3
Barnabas later traveled with the apostle Paul on his missionary journeys, ministering with him. Barnabas was either a prophet or a teacher (or both) as plainly stated in Acts 13:1-2. Was Barnabas in sin for believing Jesus saved the previously wicked Saul? Some believers act like those who believe Jesus has saved Kanye are in sin for believing such. They act like our own salvation hinges on how we view this. Not true. Others will be saved as Jesus saved Saul and made him Paul. So this Kanye thing brings this into focus. There will definitely be false converts whom Satan seeks to use to deceive God’s people.
One thing is certain: Jesus is still saving sinners to Himself.
Friend, which are you in that scenario? Are you Barnabas or are you like the others who disbelieved Saul got saved? (Acts 9:26-27) It’s true that Kanye shouldn’t be followed, that’s not the point here. His salvation is. If he is saved, he’s merely a babe in Christ and even publicly acknowledges such. Believers are to follow Christ and not mere men. And the Bible forbids a “novice” from being in the ministry as an elder (1 Timothy 3:6). What’s regrettable is that instead of grounding this young believer in the Word, wolves like Osteen are exploiting him for their own self-serving purposes.
When Jesus saved Saul, was it fake? Who helped Saul/Paul? Barnabas did. Was Barnabas wrong? Should Barnabas have bashed Saul? Fact: Saul was a million times more wicked than Kanye was (Acts 9:26-27).
One man writes:
“Kanye literally just told the entire Lakewood Church on live TV this morning to protect your kids because the entertainment industry puts images and symbolism in their movies and tv shows to make them stop thinking for themselves and make it easier for them to accept everything they watch. Nobody clapped…. So Kanye stood there for 2-3 seconds then said “Y’all can go research that. Kanye just told people to protect their kids and do some research on Hollywood symbolism. – Blaise Foret” Joshua
There is no position being defended here…. Personally I was skeptical at first, and remain concerned. When the LORD saves someone ….“But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.” (Acts 11:9) Some believe I am evil for not outright condemning Kanye. Could it be that perhaps some are full of pride and pretend to be in control of who and when and where the Almighty chooses to save? It seems plausible that some perhaps believed Barnabas was evil for believing Jesus had saved wicked Saul, right?
It’s understood that some believe the fruit of Kanye’s life does not indicate that he’s saved and in fact it concludes he is not saved.
For the record: When Sylvester Stallone went on the 700 Club, this ministry called him out as unsaved and called out the 700 Club for exploiting, for using him for their own agenda. The attack against me was vicious. Because they had soul ties with Stallone, a few women lashed out at me for daring to doubt that Stallone was saved. Yet there was no confession of Jesus or being born again, saved, washed in the blood that came out of Stallone’s mouth. This is not true of Kanye. And, if you are drawing conclusion on Kanye before you’ve listened thoroughly to him, to his music, have you done a thorough examination? (Proverbs 18:13)
There certainly is an agenda. There are 2 agendas … an agenda from hell….and Heaven. GOD has an agenda, “his kingdom ruleth over all.” (Psalms 103:19) The LORD has never ceased perpetrating HIS agenda, beginning in Genesis 3:15 when He introduced, He foretold the coming Messiah. In fact, He’s in full control and orchestrates hell’s agenda for His own glory (Romans 8:28). Seems like some are putting more trust in hell’s agenda than God’s and insinuating that hell is greater than Heaven, Heaven’s King and His will and kingdom agenda …. just a loving thought, exhortation to you. Whose agenda was it when Jesus saved Saul/Paul?
Yes there are numerous warnings about deception and deceivers in these last day (Matthew 24:3-5; 11, 24). Does that negate the working of God, the promised drawing of sinners to Christ? (John 12:32) End Times
Regrettably, some seem more fixed on satan and his agenda than they do on God’s power and desire to save. Jesus says “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” (John 3:17)
“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.” Luke 9:56
Saving souls is exactly what Jesus said He came to do. In this example, I fail to see or believe that Saul or Kanye’s sin is greater than God’s power and desire to bring them to repentance and salvation. Surely, this may be a deception perpetrated by satan that either Kanye is willingly or unwittingly part of.
“For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” Luke 19:10
Why do we doubt that Jesus still does what He came to do – SAVE SOULS?
“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” 1 Timothy 1:15
The Gospels are littered with examples of how Jesus, while on earth, saved the vilest of sinners. Has He somehow changed?
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” Hebrews 13:8
Are some being merciless toward Kanye West and other celebrities who claim salvation, assuming that because they’re popular in this world that they are automatically evil and perpetrating a deception? In their minds, was, is Kanye’s sin greater than Jesus Christ? | Is Sin Greater than JESUS?
We must discern as is the divine mandate, and realize, not factor out, the saving power of Christ. My concern is that some seem to condemn those who dare believe that Christ still saves sinners, even those who happen to be popular people. Fruit inspection is a divine mandate (Matthew 3:7-10).
Perhaps this issue has manifested some self-righteousness in us. Some do not like it when others do not agree with their perspective on this matter. Some just can’t stand the fact that at this point I am not openly condemning Kanye West. They ignore the fact that OSTEEN continues to be openly exposed as a false teacher as Scripture mandates (Romans 16:17-18; Jude 3, etc.). It seems that Osteen is where the greatest, most obvious blame is. He is deliberately choosing to use Kanye and has no desire to help him become grounded in Christ.
Could there be a greater issue than Kanye here? Yes, this is a kingdom issue. Without the permission of any mere man, Jesus saved perhaps the most wicked man on earth – Saul! The believers doubted it but Barnabas didn’t and neither did the apostles (Acts 9:26-27). … There WILL be fake salvations and there will be true salvations. Get ready. More to come. God is going to continue to save and He doesn’t need anyone’s permission to do just that! Those who choose to believe that somehow God can’t save a wicked “celebrity” are the same people who daily read the divinely inspired words of one of the most wicked men who ever lived, before Jesus saved him – Saul who become Paul the apostle and wrote 14 of the 27 books that are in the New Testament canon.
Christ Lives to Provide What He Died to Purchase
If Kanye West truly repented and received Christ, like any other believer, God holds him personal responsible to continue, to abide in Christ, to endure to the end to be saved. He, like any of us who are saved, still has the opportunity and personal responsibility to continue with Christ or to fall away and reject Him and mislead others. Is this not all the reason believers should lift him in prayer?
This whole scenario should quicken in us an urgency to help those around us who are saved to be increasingly grounded in His Word (Colossians 2:6-10).
It’s interesting that in one of his new songs Kanye West is crying out, pleading believers to “Pray for me.” Could this also be a good time to ask our LORD to forgive our own unbelief and hardness of heart? Kanye seems to be crying out for God’s people to pray for him. Am I missing something?
Given Kanye’s past life, perhaps it’s understandable that some are wary. Yet when the LORD saves a man, he becomes a “new creature” in Christ.
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;” 2 Corinthians 5:17-18
We have some of Christ’s disciples who can’t fathom how God could possibly save a rich, popular, evil person such as Kanye West. He’s done it throughout history though. Notice below that the Bible says “Not MANY” and it doesn’t say “not ANY” … watch this:
“For ye see your calling, brethren, how that NOT MANY wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:” 1 Corinthians 1:26
The sin of self-righteousness blinds. How is it that in the eyes of a Holy God Kanye’ West’s life of sin was any more vile than your previous life of sin or mine? | Sin: Man’s Core Problem
Even though most people who are temporarily rich in this life are going to hell (Mark 10:23-25), Paul specifically addresses rich Christians, telling them to be very generous, preparing a foundation against the judgment to come (1 Timothy 6:17-19). So, being rich in this world doesn’t in itself damn the soul. Being rich in this fleeting world and not generous reveals that such a person doesn’t know, isn’t known by He who gave all – Christ. Such a person is hell bound (Luke 16:19-31).
Ray Zeitler writes:
“From what I’ve seen with Mr West and President Trump, and other high profile celebrity converts to Christ … They don’t yet have a foundation in the Gospel. So, they turn to the leaders they see, the high profile so-called Christian leaders, the wolves, because as new believers they do not know any better. Been praying for the President ever since the leaders his wife surrounded him with. I don’t discount their salvation, but these new to Christ need our prayers for protection from these wolves.”
Yes, pray for Kanye and ALL new believers to be truly grounded in truth, in Christ.
“As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:” (Colossians 2:6-10)
What Osteen is doing is nothing new. False churches such as Lakewood Church, false prophets like Joel Osteen like to use celebrities to promote themselves. That’s exactly what Osteen is doing. There are many others who just got saved, are new believers, and yet Osteen will never have them up there in the limelight because it’s of no value to O$teen and his “church.” Do you think Jesus cares more for a so-called “celebrity” than He does about any other person He recently saved? No.
“For there is no respect of persons with God.” Romans 2:11
Speaking of himself while on Osteen’s stage, Kanye says “The greatest artist God ever created”? Regrettably that sounds like Isaiah 14:12-15 (Lucifer). Self-elevation is always from the father of pride, Satan.
“he is a king over all the children of pride.” (Job 41:34)
“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16:18)
And, being that he’s now surrounded by wolves, you will never hear them admonish him with Holy Scripture. He will never be given Scriptures on the utter importance of humility by Osteen or any other wolf who will invade his space.
It seems possible that perhaps Kanye received Jesus, got saved, and yet, he’s a baby Christian if that’s the case. Time will tell. Fruit will tell (Matthew 3:7-10). Instead of God fearing men taking him in to help him grow in grace (if he truly repented), wolves like Osteen are seizing on the opportunity to use Kanye for his celebrity.
To underscore his influence and the reason evil doers wish to exploit him, when Kanye came out for Trump, the support of blacks for Trump doubled in one week. The vilest of wolves are now circling the wagons to exploit him. Again, some believe Kanye is willingly conspiring with them to deceive the professing church. Could be.
Some people will scorn you for not jumping on their condemnation bandwagon.
Some believe I should just bash Kanye West into oblivion. Not going to do that at this point. I am in no way seeking to justify him. Have no reason to. Have YOU prayed for him, sincerely? Personally, I’ve seen many people that I was privileged to lead to Christ who showed little or no fruit or even showed bad fruit and I gave up on them… only for God to explode in their lives with His working in them. Have witnessed this many times. When I wrongly judged others I thought had no interest in seeking God, when I determined they were unsaved, on many occasions the LORD corrected me. When we give up due to not seeing any good fruit and perhaps bad fruit, the LORD may not be finished with that person. We do know that He’s not willing that ANY should perish.
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9
While some are quick to condemn and guarantee Jesus didn’t save Kanye, personally, I’m not so sure of that. The fact that he’s now surrounded by demonic sharks who smell blood, doesn’t mean Jesus didn’t save him. Now, Kayne, like all whom Christ saves, is personally responsible to listen to the Holy Spirit and Word of God. If he doesn’t he will be delivered from these wolves.
Maureen Lundie writes:
“No baby Christian will ever say or do all the right things in the beginning. In my opinion, Kanye can either believe and follow the wolves or if he is truly sincere, the Holy Spirit will lead him in the correct direction.”
Exactly. This all goes back to the 4 types of soil God’s Word falls upon and how the individual is responsible to nurture his relationship with Christ or he will “fall away.” (Luke 8:11-15)
Jesus told those who’d just believed upon Him that they must “continue” in His Word, they must “endure to the end” to be saved into Heaven (Matthew 10:22; 24:13):
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31-32
Kanye, if he truly got saved, is not a seasoned elder in the body of Christ. History reveals how dangerous it is to elevate novices or so-called celebrities. New believers are babes, novices and not to be featured as leaders as such – “Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.” (1 Timothy 3:6)
Joel Osteen is not grounded in Christ himself, much less helping Kanye West become sound in the faith via the daily cross life.
In my opinion, the blame goes to Joel Osteen, not Kanye. Your input welcome saints. | Deception/Discernment
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This is good…. and may surprise some:
Part 2..
FEEDBACK:
“Hey Brother Todd,
I think it’s a fair article expressing a desire to see Kanye to really be transformed but at the same time reminding people that there mass deception in the world today as Jesus said their would be in Matt 24.
That’s one thing I like about your writings is that yes we should never be conned out of standing for truth, but at the same time mercy rejoices against judgement and we all need to remember that the Lord is trying to get people to turn to Him and takes no pleasure in the destruction of those that don’t.
Back in May of 2011 when the Lord turned my life upside down and convicted me to being a cherry picker (and I just thought I was a Word guy!) and got me into discernment realizing that probably better than 95% of preachers today are not teaching what Jesus and His Apostles taught…
There have been seasons when He backs me away from that a little to remind me that He desires to deliver people from error and not just point it out. So, I can appreciate the desire in the article for Kanye to experience true salvation along with the fact it’s very unlikely to happen in the company of people like Osteen who is not a legitimate Gospel teacher when compared to the New Testament.
Yes, I definitely believe young believers should be given a little space to grow but of course it’s going to take someone who knows the Word of God to do that and Kanye does not seem to have people around him that know squat about the Word. And it was a very true point that people are seeking to take advantage of Kanye just to draw in more people for bigger offerings and bigger product sales.
It’s my prayer that someone strong, knowledgeable in the Word, no false grace teaching preacher / teacher from the black community get a hold of Kanye and pulls him out of the circus of fame and disciple him so he can grow to actually know Jesus and live contrary to the fake gospel that all these fake preachers are hawkin.
If he could get a few years of good teaching in Him, he could definitely influence some young folks to walk with Jesus! Have a blessed week brother Todd!”
The Sensual Seduction and Solicitation of the Modern Church!
Apostasy
“The Certainty of the Words of Truth” [podcast]
Nicholas, the Apostate Deceiver
Historians say that Nicholas (Acts 6:5), a deacon in the first century church, backslid, and led his followers to believe that living in sin would not affect one’s relationship with Christ. The term Nicolaitans is said to come from those who followed Nicholas. Nico-laitans is a compound Greek word. Nico means “to conquer,” and laitans means “the laity.” Satan used Nicholas to conquer his followers through the lie of lawlessness. The evil spirit of Nicholas lives on today through many lawless leaders who operate in the church world in this late hour.
Nicholas taught free love. He and his followers taught that the deeds of believers could not affect their relationship with God. This is antinomianism, which means lawlessness. The Bible clearly refutes such a lie as we will witness in our walk through the Holy Scriptures.
“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” 2 Timothy 2:19
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” Titus 1:16
The Bible states here, that those who “profess that they know God” and yet “deny him…in works,” are “abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.”
By this lie of lawlessness, the enemy of souls conquered the people.
“But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans (means “conquer the laity”), which I also hate…So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.” Revelation 2:6, 15
Here is some modern terminology for this age-old doctrine:
- Once Saved, Always Saved
- Eternal security (unconditional)
- Calvinism, perseverance of the saints doctrine
In Revelation 2, Jesus Christ tells us that He “hates” two things — “the deeds” and “doctrine of the Nicolaitans.” The Son of God despises the doctrine that teaches that the deeds of men have no effect upon their relationship with Him.
The Scriptures continuously reveal the divine hatred for the acceptance, and even doctrinal authorization, for living in the sins which the LORD tells us violate His holiness, reveal a wicked heart, and will prevent one from entering into the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21; Revelation 21:8, 27).
The word “lasciviousness” appears six times in the Bible and means “lack of restraint (from sinning); license for sin; licentiousness.”
To underscore the utter, divine hatred against this lie of lawlessness, it should be noted that this is the only place in Scripture where Jesus Christ, Himself, states that He hates something.
Though they may vary in packaging, these are all kin to the same lawless “ye shall not surely die” lie, which is the lie of the ages.
“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” Deuteronomy 4:2
“For ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God.” Jeremiah 23:36b
“Thus saith the Lord; Stand in the court of the Lord’s house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the Lord’s house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word.” Jeremiah 26:2
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19
“Hath God said” ?
Always remember that whenever you have someone casting doubt on God’s Word, words, you are dealing with a person who is under Satan’s control, is a rejecter of the LORD, and therefore His truth, and is a child of the devil. Every time.
Notice what we see Satan doing in the Garden of Eden just before he changed, altered, added one word to God’s words:
“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” Genesis 3:1
Then, in verse 4 we read how Satan added just one three-letter word which changed the meaning of what God said and changed world history.
“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:” Genesis 3:4
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” Genesis 2:17
“Thou shalt surely die” from God was then changed by Satan to “Ye shall NOT surely die.”
This is the first time we see what’s known as the “eternal security” lie. It’s also known as “once saved always saved” or “perseverance of the saints” heresy. Any person teaching or believeing this lie has partnered with Satan himself.
Knowing “the certainty of the words of truth”
“Bow down thine ear, and hear the words of the wise, and apply thine heart unto my knowledge.
18 For it is a pleasant thing if thou keep them within thee; they shall withal be fitted in thy lips.
19 That thy trust may be in the Lord, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee.
20 Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge,
21 that I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee? Proverbs 22:17-21
“that I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth” – and how can we “know the certainty of the words of truth” if we aren’t even reading them – if we are not reading the preserved Word of God but rather a cheap counterfeit?
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Apostasy
8 Classes of Sinners Guaranteed to Spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire [podcast]
8 Classes of Sinners Guaranteed to Spend Eternity in Hell
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
“The second death”
[which is the second death] The second death is the lake of fire, or the second separation from God in hell (Rev_2:11; Rev_20:14; Rev_21:8).
Of Revelation 21:8, Adam Clarke writes the following:
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful – Δειλοις· Those who, for fear of losing life or their property, either refused to receive the Christian religion, though convinced of its truth and importance; or, having received it, in times of persecution fell away, not being willing to risk their lives.
And unbelieving – Those who resist against full evidence. And sinners, και ἁμαρτωλοις, is added here by about thirty excellent MSS., and is found in the Syrian, Arabic, some of the Slavonic, and in Andreas and Arethas. On this evidence Griesbach has admitted it into the text.
The abominable – Εβδελυγμενοις· Those who are polluted with unnatural lust. (sodomites, lesbians Romans 1)
And murderers – Φονευσι· Those who take away the life of man for any cause but the murder of another, and those who hate a brother in their heart (.
And whoremongers – Πορνοις· Adulterers, fornicators, whores, prostitutes, and rakes of every description.
Sorcerers – Φαρμακοις· Persons who, by drugs, philtres, fumigations, etc., pretend to produce supernatural effects, chiefly by spiritual agency.
Idolaters – Ειδωλολατραις· Those who offer any kind of worship or religious reverence to any thing but God. All image worshippers are idolaters in every sense of the word.
And all liars – Και πασι τοις ψευδεσι· Every one who speaks contrary to the truth when he knows the truth, and even he who speaks the truth with the intention to deceive; i.e., to persuade a person that a thing is different from what it really is, by telling only a part of the truth, or suppressing some circumstance which would have led the hearer to a different end to the true conclusion. All these shall have their portion, το μερος, their share, what belongs to them, their right, in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. This is the second death, from which there is no recovery.
“21:8 But not all are overcomers. Some are cowardly, afraid to confess Christ; unbelieving, unwilling to trust the sinner’s Savior; sinners, all those who remain in their sins, whether guilty of the gross iniquities listed here or not; abominable, given over to disgusting immorality; murderers, malicious and savage killers; sexually immoral, practicing fornication and other forms of sexual sins; sorcerers, those who traffic with evil spirits; idolaters, insulting God by worshiping images; and all liars, compulsive deceivers. These will be assigned to the lake of fire as their final destiny.” Believer’s Bible Commentary
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. … 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:10, 14-15
One source notes the following:
“Brimstone and fire” refers to the fiery imagery of divine judgment and eternal punishment found in the Bible. It symbolizes God’s wrath, often describing the fate of sinners in hell, and is a phrase used in religious sermons and literature. “Brimstone,” an old word for sulfur, is a key component of this imagery, evoking a smell and heat associated with inescapable, fiery destruction.
Biblical origins
Old Testament:
The phrase originates in the King James translation of the Old Testament, used to describe God’s destruction of enemies. A key example is the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
New Testament:
The imagery is used to describe eternal damnation, a common theme in both the Old and New Testaments. In the book of Revelation, for example, it describes those who worship the beast being tormented in a lake of fire and brimstone.
Etymology:
The phrase is a calque of the Biblical Hebrew and Ancient Greek words for “sulfur and fire”.
Geological evidence:
Archaeological and geological evidence of sulfur deposits and charred formations in areas like the Dead Sea region have been noted as consistent with biblical descriptions of fire and sulfur-related events.”
“But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:12
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The Purpose of Elders in Christ’s Body [podcast]
There is no more important work transpiring in the earth today than the work of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Matthew 9:35-38; 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:11-15; 1 Peter 5:1-6, etc.).
“Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.” Hebrews 13:20-21
In short, the authentic under-shepherd ordained of Jesus Himself (John 15:16), will give up his life in this fleeting world for the sheep of Christ – just as the Great Shepherd of the sheep did on the cross. Such a divinely called-out man, will teach only God’s pure Word and watch for the souls of the LORD’s people (Hebrews 13:7, 17). He will take up the cross – live the crucified life – and therefore ministry will not be about them but rather about Jesus and His beloved sheep for whom He shed His blood and is soon returning (Philippians 3:17-21).
Also in Hebrews 13 …. The true elder of Christ will, according to Hebrews 13, do two things:
- Speak the pure Word of God to you and get you into it:
“Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation (their way of life).” Hebrews 13:7
2. Will in the fear of God pray for and “watch for your soul.”
“Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.” Hebrews 13:17
In review, just WHAT are the earmark fruits of true under-shepherds as opposed to the many wolves among us?
- True under shepherds relentlessly teach God’s Word – “who have spoken unto you the word of God.” (Hebrews 13:7)
- They are there for you! – “they watch for your souls.” (Hebrews 13:7)
IF they aren’t preaching God’s pure Word to you, fearing God, not you…. and watching for your eternal soul, they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Repent and run to Jesus beloved.
Let me add that if they are using a fake “bible” instead of the King James Bible, that should be a clue to the darkness they walk in (Matthew 7:16, 20).
Elders are ordained of God and yet never to take His place nor to negate our own personal responsibility to seek God daily for ourselves. Yet, we do not need a preacher. Why? – because we each have a Bible. Read it. We don’t need a preacher to tell us what the Bible says! Read it for yourself, learning of the LORD yourself. Today is your day to take personal responsibility to seek God for yourself! Stop depending on a preacher or preachers. Devour God’s Word daily. Jesus taught personal responsibility and the essential nature of it when He said “Take heed to yourselves” (Luke 21:34-36) …… Paul instructed Timothy to “Study” the Word (2 Timothy 2:15).
Today we have all around us church-goers who are not possessed with a heart after God, do not diligently study and read and live out Christ’s Word. This lukewarm, world-loving fruit clearly reveals the prophesied priesthood of wolves (1 Chronicles 16:11; Psalms 27:4, 8; Matthew 24:11; Acts 13:22; 2 Timothy 3:13; 1 John 4:1, etc.). Until a pastor has provoke you to get into God’s Word for yourself, to seeking His holy face daily in prayer, he has failed. If has has diligently, biblically sought to do these essentials, and people have refused God’s Word, refused to seek His holy face continually, the blood is off of his hands (Ezekiel 3:18-20).
“When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.” Ezekiel 3:18-20
When you check the fruit of a fellowship, check, discern if the individual saints are vibrant in Christ, diligently seeking His holy face, in His Word, living a life of prayer, denying self, taking up the cross daily, and following Jesus. This sounds like what we see of the earliest saints in the book of Acts, right? Boom. Remember how Peter preached and 8,000 were saved and how the Berean believers put Paul’s teaching to the Scriptural test? (Acts 2-4; 17:10-11, etc.).
Sadly, usually you see a bunch of people who are proud to be a member of a church with none of the biblical fruit list above.
The apostle Paul kept a close watch on those he oversaw.
“For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.” 1 Thessalonians 3:5
Having a physical “church” building makes no mere man, no supposed elder, an official representative of Heaven. Feeding the sheep of Christ with His pure Word and equipping them “for the work of the ministry” is the mark of a true under-shepherd of Christ (John 21:15-17; Ephesians 4:11-12, etc.). Discern. Beware. Inspect the fruit. Jesus nor any of His holy apostles collected a penny to build a building called “church.” No, they went to the people – to serve them instead of having the people come to them.
Let’s test that…. How many people do you personally know who are good church members, Sunday morning church attenders, and ALSO true, daily disciples whom God is using everywhere they go? Think about that…. How many true disciples of Jesus do you know who are involved in a Sunday morning church program? If you personally know even one true disciple, that’s a miracle and in spite of his attendance at the Sunday morning circus called “church.”
Unlike Christ’s apostle Paul, most in leadership today foster in their prey a dependence on THEM and their church business instead of prayerfully, biblically exhorting people to depend on Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:29-2:5).
Like Christ’s apostle Paul, the true elder labors relentlessly to see you grounded in Christ – not in him or his ministry or church, but in CHRIST! Listen closely:
“As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.” Colossians 2:6-7
It simply doesn’t matter what else he’s doing, if any minister is not prayerfully, biblically, perpetually rooting and grounding you in Christ, he’s a fraud. Run.
Like Jesus and His holy apostle Paul, part of grounding you ever more deeper in Christ, is warning you to “beware” of the “many false prophets.” (Matthew 24:11)
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:” Colossians 2:8-10
SO, he’s not exhorting and admonishing you to seek and know the LORD in an ever deepening fashion? He’s not equipping, maturing you “for the work of the ministry” and yet you still consider him one of the LORD’s under-shepherds? He’s not getting YOU into the Word (2 Timothy 2:15) for yourself? That’s a false leader who is entertaining the goats instead of feeding and equipping the saints! Run! (See Ephesians 4:11-15; 1 Peter 5:1-6, etc.)
False leaders divert the attention, the heart affections, the resources, and the energy of God’s people away from Christ and simple obedience to His Great Commission mandate. YOU are personally responsible! Waste is rampant! If you support, “bid God speed” (2 John 7-11) to a false leader, false ministry, then you will perish with them!
The divine purpose for elders is not to dominate nor entertain the LORD’s sheep but rather to help their joy in Christ! Get to know this verse saints:
“Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.” 2 Corinthians 1:24
There is the citing of elders in the Word and their divine purpose – to humbly serve God by helping His sheep grow in the knowledge and grace of Christ (Ephesians 4:11-15; 1 Peter 5:1-6).
Christ’s apostle Paul desired the “perfection” (maturity in Christ) of the people of God (Ephesians 4:11-15).
“For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.” 2 Corinthians 13:9
Like Apollos, Elders among God’s people must remain teachable to God’s Word and simply and only teach and preach his word (Proverbs 9:9; Acts 18:26). Elders true to the LORD act on his behalf and never out of a personal agenda for self gain (2 Corinthians 3:5; 4:5, etc.). They live the crucified life (Galatians 2:20).
We are to humble ourselves like Apollos did and learn the way of our God more perfectly from each other, via God’s Word – as Apollos learned it more fully from Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:24-28).
Beloved Apollos was a very effective, anointed communicator of God’s Word and yet, was in need of maturing, of being perfected. So, God sent to him an elder and his wife, Aquila and Priscilla. Apollos humbly received the LORD’s elders and His grace to grow in Christ:
“And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. 26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.” Acts 18:24-26
The vast majority of “churches” that meet in “church buildings” are simply and merely conducting “church services” where they entertain their prey. They are not equipping the saints for the work of the ministry and therefore discerned as being counterfeit (Ephesians 4:11-13). If they were, there would be salty disciples in their midst who go forth to minister Christ’s kingdom blessings wherever they go. Not even a trace of this transpiring in the apostate modern church world. Run. Run. Run.
The Purpose of Kingdom Elders:
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting (equipping, maturing) of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:” Ephesians 4:11-12
Philip Lye writes: “Paul says in Ephesians 4, that he gave some to be apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. He expressly says these people are given to mature the saints, to equip them for their ministry and growth in Jesus Christ. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 that many false prophets and messiahs will arise deceiving many. They are simply functions that God has given and not titles which the proud use to strut about like a peacock. Most of these people that I have met (and I have seen a lot of famous ones) are false, proud and arrogant and not servants of the the Lord Jesus Christ. I have seen humble genuine ones who move mightily in truth, calling people to repentance and right relationship with Jesus and a demonstration of genuine miracles and wonders. They are to be genuine servants to God’s people.”
VIEW this following verse from Solomon’s day in light of our calling and work till Christ returns:
“Now all the work of Solomon was prepared unto the day of the foundation of the house of the LORD, and until it was finished. So the house of the LORD was perfected.” 2 Chronicles 8:16
Let’s read a larger portion of this important passage in Ephesians 4. God fearing under-shepherds must prayerfully labor for and be intent upon seeing God’s people grow in the grace of Christ to the full stature of maturity He has ordained!
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:” Ephesians 4:11-15
The Error of Using Titles in the Modern Church World
God sovereignly and exclusively ordained MEN to feed, lead, and equip His saints (Ephesians 4:8-11). Women are called to and seen doing many ministry functions in the New Testament but never as a leader in a position specifically designated in Scripture for men.
Repent. The American “church” is a catastrophe of spineless moral-coward Ahabs who’ve allowed, suffered women to lead, and the fall out is incalculable (Revelation 2:20-24).
GOD’s men must never allow women to lead where they (men) are called to lead (1 Timothy 2:12; 3:2; Revelation 2:20-24).
To put yourself under the ministry of a woman who is acting as an elder among God’s people, is to defy Christ, and to agree with Christ’s arch enemy and his Jezebels and to bring severe destruction on the people of God (1 Timothy 2:12; 3:2; Revelation 2:20-24).
JUST because a woman can run her mouth and even genuinely have a gift of the Spirit DOES NOT mean she’s an elder in the body of Christ – which is divinely reserved non-negotiably for men, male elders (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 3:2). | Beware of Scripture-Twisting Jezebels
We must humbly confess before our LORD and God that we have nothing and are nothing without Him!
“I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.” John 15:5
God can use us in spite of having a seminary or Bible college background…. If we will truly denounce it, lay it all down, and truly submit to Him – just like Paul did (Philippians 3). Otherwise we will join the epidemic of false prophets who build their own kingdoms in this fleeting life and spend eternity in hell (2 Peter 2:1-3). Paul counted his “higher education” as “dung” to know and serve Christ (Philippians 3).
BIBLICALLY SPEAKING, BY DEFINITION, ELDERS ARE NOT SEMINARIANS (UNLESS THEY’VE DENOUNCED SUCH) BUT RATHER PROVEN MEN OF GOD WHO HAVE WALKED WITH CHRIST FOR SOME TIME AND ARE SEASONED IN DOCTRINE AND GODLY CHARACTER AND ABLE TO HELP ASSIST OTHER BELIEVERS GROW IN GRACE (Philippians 3).
In part, we can be transformed in our thinking/perspective of what leaders are seen to be in the apostate modern church vs the biblical definition of an elder which is a humble servant with sound doctrine and a godly life (1 Timothy 3; 2 Timothy 3:10; Titus 1-2, etc.).
Christ’s kingdom ordination is not like the ordinations of many denominations….. To ordain seems to mean to recognize the work of GOD in a man’s life and to set him forth into ministry as by the leading of the Spirit of God.
“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” John 15:16
ORDAIN
G5087
τίθημι
tithēmi
tith’-ay-mee
A prolonged form of a primary word θέω theō (which is used only as an alternate in certain tenses); to place (in the widest application, literally and figuratively; properly in a passive or horizontal posture, and thus different from G2476, which properly denotes an upright and active position, while G2749 is properly reflexive and utterly prostrate): – + advise, appoint, bow, commit, conceive, give, X kneel down, lay (aside, down, up), make, ordain, purpose, put, set (forth), settle, sink down.
Total KJV occurrences: 96
“Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.” Acts 13:1-3
Denominations of mere men set their elders forth to do THEIR bidding, to perpetuate their own cause and existence, to build their false church businesse$. God fearing assemblies of the saints simply recognize Christ’s work in a man and prayerfully send him forth to do GOD’s work. They worship and exalt Christ whole heartedly!
MINISTRY is about feeding sheep, not entertaining goats (John 21:15-17). So, when you see a “minister” entertaining, you know he himself is a goat (1 Corinthians 1:29-2:5).
What True Elders Teach
“For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.” 2 Corinthians 4:5
THERE is nothing good in us except Christ. We are not featured but JESUS is. “We preach CHRIST crucified” (1 Cor 1:23). All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags and HE is the One and only righteous Redeemer whom we communicate to others (1 Cor 9:16; Rom 7:18 etc.).
Jesus’ true disciples are crucified vessels who preach with His authority, unlike the lame leaders we have today (Matthew 7:28-29). True Gospel preaching rocks the world of those who hear it – it never coddles people in their sin. That’s the work of wolves! Beware!
Godly Elders Teach God’s People to Discern
“And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.” Ezekiel 44:23
Why don’t some leaders teach discernment?
“Anyone that profits off of you being blind, will never teach you or inspire you to see.” unknown
Any man in leadership who doesn’t warn you of false prophets as did Christ and His apostles, is a wolf who does not want you to see who he truly is.
God’s people are to continue to learn to discern – to test, to weigh all things against Holy Scripture. Ungodly elders have the “I said it so it’s true” notion. Or the “We’ve always taught that” or “That’s what we believe” philosophy. Not. What saith the Scriptures is what every true follower of Jesus asks, as he searches God’s Word to ascertain truth. Every student of Christ should become extremely familiar with Acts 17:10-11.
QUESTION RECEIVED:
“I am curious as to how one man is considered the other’s elder? Do they attend the same church gathering thus, he is a church elder or is it through willful submission of the younger as an understudy or simply due to the fact that one man is older?”
REPLY:
Great question brother. Elder, biblically seems to mean older and more seasoned in God’s Word, having walked with the LORD longer. Two views come to mind: 1. The organic body of Christ, the kingdom relationships we have, where there appear men in our lives who are seasoned and there’s an automatic elder/young relationship (that’s how it is here)… and 2. Where a person attends a church group and they have their elder in a more organized fashion as you mentioned…. that help?
Nothing brings definition to this like God’s Word as you know…. and notice how it begins with “The elders which are AMONG you”….
“The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:” 1 Peter 5:1-6
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