Is Obeying Jesus Legalism or Lordship Salvation? [podcast]
Easy believism/eternal security is the doctrine of moral cowards who refuse to truly repent, deny self, take up the cross and follow Jesus for real, daily (Luke 9:23-24). This is why they claim that so-called “lordship salvation” is false. These counterfeits love their darkness rather than light and cloak themselves behind these heresies “turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness.” (John 3:19-21; Jude 3-4) They refuse all personal responsibility to truly be accountable to the LORD for every thought, word, deed, and motive.
Obeying God is the command of God and an expression of our love for Him – and not an attempt to get Him to accept us. We are “accepted in the beloved” who is Christ (Ephesians 1:6).
So you claim to be saved for Heaven and yet you aren’t saved from sin? Have you read Matthew 1:21; John 1:29; Romans 6:1-11; Titus 2:11-14; and 1 John 3?
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” Romans 6:1-2
Keep in mind that those who condemningly ostracize those they say teach “Lordship salvation” are the exact same heretics who peddle Satan’s original life, which in our day is call things like “eternal security” or “once saved always saved.” (Genesis 2:17;3:4)
The message of Jesus and His apostles clearly differs from the modern church message. | Did Jesus and His Apostles Teach Eternal Security?
The apostate modern church refuses to acknowledge that the LORD is “Holy, holy, holy” and that He commands all who will know Him to “Be ye holy; for I am holy” (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; 1 Peter 1:15-16). Most modern pastors teach that salvation, once received, is a free pass to live in sin and still be saved into Heaven in the end. The big question is, who will you believe? Will you declare with the apostle Paul, “Let God be true and every man a liar”? Or, will you cling to heresy, tradition, and be irrevocably damned in the end? (Romans 3:4)
Many wish to be bonded to hell, to lies, to falsehood. They cling to their heretical traditions, setting aside the very Word of God to do so (Mark 7:6-9).
“Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:” Isaiah 28:15
ANY PERSON WHO BELIEVES THE DEMONIC HERESY OF UN-CONDITIONAL ETERNAL SECURITY, WILL NOT FEAR GOD OR TAKE SIN SERIOUSLY AS GOD WHO IS “HOLY, HOLY, HOLY” DOES (ISAIAH 6:3; REVELATION 4:8).
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Romans 3:18
To be turned from “the snares of death” one must fear the LORD.
“The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.” Proverbs 14:27
Holiness is essential for eternal glory.
“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16
OSAS/eternal security is a lie from hell. OSAS was Satan’s first lie and so it’s blasphemy to teach this doctrine of devils and claim it’s part of the Gospel. You are attributing Satan’s lie to the LORD Jesus. Repent now sinner. See Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Romans 11:20-22; 1 Timothy 4:1; Hebrews 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21; Jude 4, etc..
The concept of an un-conditional eternal security is not established in Scripture… except for it being Satan’s first teaching, His first lie – the “Ye shall NOT surely die” lie (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).
MESSAGE FROM A LADY WHO HEARD AN “ENDURE TO THE END” VIDEO THE MINISTRY HAS:
“Stay away from these legalists. We are saved by grace, not works. No we are not saved by the law. Jesus came to fulfill the law. He is our only way to heaven, not are good deeds.”
REPLY:
Since when is obeying Jesus, adhering to the whole of what He said, legalism? Regrettably, some just want to use Jesus to get to Heaven, to escape hell, yet want nothing to do with the cross, the crucified life on this earth that Jesus commanded (Luke 9:23-24). These self-serving people believe somehow that THEY can tell Jesus what’s going on, that THEY set the terms of the relationship – instead of humbly, honestly reading His words and adhering to them. Jesus makes it clear that those who are “of God” hear and obey His words (John 8:47; 14:21). They do not make up their own way or follow some “false way” prescribed by the grace perverting wolves the LORD warns us about specifically (Psalms 119:104, 128; Jude 3-4).
“He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” John 8:47 (memory truth)
So was Jesus a legalist?
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21
“Preaching the narrow way is not legalism. Correction is not persecution. And warning is not condemnation! Grow up a little bit!” Unknown
To those who refuse to truly repent and lay down their lives in this present world, obedience to Jesus, the One they claim they are saved by, becomes something of legalism. Sad.
“OSAS creates believers who emphasize faith in Jesus while dismissing obedience to His commandments as self righteousness, trying to earn salvation, trusting in your own works etc.” Teddy Caldwell
So if your husband or wife requires something of you, does that make them a legalist? If they require that you be faithful in your marriage, does that make them a works-based legalist? Isn’t fidelity simply a condition of a loving, pure, secure relationship? If so, why do you whine and balk that Jesus would require that you be holy (set apart), deny self, take up the cross daily, abiding, continuing, enduring to the end with Him?
Let’s talk about grace and what it really looks like when someone is possessed by it:
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;” Titus 2:11-12
According to Titus 2:11-12, what 5 things do we see in the life of the true born again, saved by grace, abiding, Heaven bound disciple of Jesus? What is divine grace teaching them?
- To deny ungodliness in this present world
- To deny worldly lusts in this present world
- To live soberly in this present world
- To live righteously in this present world
- To live godly in this present world
The saving grace of God in Christ is not a license to live in sin but rather the full provision of God to overcome all sin – through the cross lifestyle (Romans 6:1-16). Divine grace enables the abiding believer to overcome all that displeases the LORD and to be fruitful in ministering His true, saving grace in Christ to others.
Anyone who says that God has saved them for Heaven but not from sin, is completely deceived. | Can a True Believer Overcome All Sin? [podcast]
Those who are truly saved by grace are fighting the good fight of faith, abiding, remaining in Christ, enduring to the end. They are choosing to love Jesus supremely, not self (Revelation 2:4-5).
WHO we truly love, who is our “first love” is the issue (Revelation 2:4-5). Those who balk at obeying Jesus simply do not love Him. Those who obey Him joyfully prove they truly love Him.
“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” 1 John 5:3
If your view of serving God is drudgery, you are deceived and in need of getting into His Word.
Those who espouse the eternal security heresy simply want Jesus to forgive the sins they choose to live in and to guarantee bringing them to Heaven when they die. They don’t love Jesus enough to obey Him, to live the crucified life, and to confess all sin. No, in their corrupted, self-serving mind they vainly imagine they can use Christ to get them to Heaven, to miss hell, while they live to please self instead of the Savior. Total rebels.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23
Since when have you seen a married couple who doesn’t have conditions? When’s the last time you heard a couple get married and then say “Well, I’ll do whatever I wish. You don’t tell me what to do or not to do!” ???? In other words, are there no conditions set forth in the marriage vows, in the marriage to keep the integrity of that marriage, such as fidelity and not adultery?
Those who believe they are not accountable to abide in and obey Jesus are spiritual adulterers, just like the five foolish virgins who were engaged to Jesus but were shut out of the eternal bridal chamber for not continuing with Him (Matthew 25:1-13). They got saved yet didn’t remain faithful to their Fiancé (Jesus) and were ousted. | Wisdom for Wise Virgins
The thought of being accountable to Jesus, to obeying Him, is abhorrant to the un-repentant counterfeit who is living this life to please themself, not Christ.
Jesus says to those who have left their first love, who “art fallen,” that they must “repent” or they will be removed.
“Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.” Revelation 2:4-5
“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” Matthew 24:13
“If a man abide (remain, continue) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned (hell).” John 15:6
Grace can be fallen from, lost:
“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE.” Galatians 5:4
It’s true that no one can be saved by law keeping. No one here even hinted that anyone can be saved by law (Rom 10:4). Yet Jesus gives conditions for HIS salvation, many of which counterfeits want nothing to do with. Jesus says to His very own that they must endure to the end, they must abide in Him to the end or they will be burned in the fire (Matthew 24:13; John 15:6). All of His apostles taught the same through out the New Testament (Romans 11:20-22; Colossians 1:22-23; Hebrews 3:6, 12-15; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21, etc.).
Since when is obeying Jesus law keeping? Since when is obeying Jesus, adhering to the whole of what He said, legalism?
“If ye love me, keep my commandments. … He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” John 14:15, 21
“Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.” John 15:14
“God is love” and so if there’s no love in the relationship between you and Him, God isn’t in it! Do we desire and pant for Him? Think about that (1 John 4:8, 16).
Wouldn’t our worship-filled obedience to our Savior be an expression of our love for Him? Yes. The good fruit of obedience saves no one and yet, those truly saved WILL have the fruit of good works.
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:4
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” Titus 1:16
“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” 2 Peter 2:20-21
Paul reminds us Gentiles believers of how God “cut off” His own people, the Jews, when they rebelled against Him, and that He will also “cut off” any of us who do not continue in His goodness and severity (Romans 11:20-22). Any person who rejects this truth is a grace-perverting, sin-justifying fraud who has made a fake god in their own image due to the refusal to truly repent.
The eternal securist is willingly indoctrinated and intentionally, deceitfully selective in the way he interprets Scripture. Beware.
Read the book of Hebrews.
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Top 12 Missing Essential Doctrines in the Modern Church World! [podcast]
DOES THIS SOUND LIKE YOUR “CHURCH” OR FAVORITE PREACHER? It’s real simple… if they are not preaching the cardinal doctrines of the original Gospel given to us in the New Testament, they are preaching “another gospel” and are “accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9).
“For MANY DECEIVERS ARE ENTERED INTO THE WORLD, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 1:7-11
Modern church wolves refuse to preach the original Gospel of Jesus Christ from the pages of Holy Scripture and in the power of the Holy Ghost. No, instead they preach sermonettes that cater to the self-worshiping idolaters they entertain and collect money from (2 Timothy 3:1-7). They don’t even use the King James Bible but rather some cheap counterfeit. Their ear-tickling topics range from healing damaged emotions, 5 love languages, best life now, recovery, learning to love yourSELF, coping platitudes, loneliness, psychobabble band aids, law of attraction, being a successful single, purpose driven delusionment, etc.
LOTS of lying going on when we have counterfeits peddling affirmation without salvation, the “promise” of things “getting better” when their prey are heading straight to hell. Especially certain social media platforms are flooded with this false gospel coming out of “Christians.” There is no sin or repentance in their message which alone identifies it as a false gospel. You see, the things that are happening to the sinners around us are allowed by God in order to lead them to repentance and yet, the counterfeits among us are assuring those sinners it’s all going to get better and never giving them the 10 Commandments to show them they are sinners (Galatians 3:24) and then, leading them to Jesus (Romans 10:9-10, 13, etc.). 10 Commandments Evangelism
In the modern church world, there is …..
No cross. No Jesus. No blood. No judgment. No sin. No repentance. No hell. No readiness for the soon return of Jesus. No Heaven. No equipping preparation for ministry. No Scripture memory. No holiness. No Messianic prophecies and their fulfillment. No Christology. No fear of God. No repentance. etc., all of which are Bible doctrines essential to salvation and/or essential to sound foundation in Christ and are missing in the modern church world.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15
THE TOP ESSENTIAL BIBLICAL DOCTRINES NEVER HEARD IN THE APOSTATE MODERN CHURCH WORLD!
- The divinity of Jesus Christ (John 1:1-4, 14; 1 Timothy 3:16). | Jesus Christ is God
- The virgin birth of the only begotten Son of God (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23). | The Virgin Birth of Jesus
- The essential precious blood of Jesus Christ (Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 9:22; 1 Peter 1:18-19). | The Blood
- The inherent fallen nature of mankind (Genesis 6:5, 12; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 7:18). | Fallen, Sinful Man
- Worshipping God not idols (Exodus 20:3-5). | Idolatry
- The essential doctrine and necessity of repentance (Luke 13:3). | Repentance
- The Return of Christ and being ready for it (Luke 12:40; 21:34-36). | The Return
- Who Jesus is returning for and who will be shut out of His eternal kingdom (Matthew 25:1-13; Ephesians 5:25-27). | Ready for Christ’s Return
- The essential of enduring to the end to be with Christ eternally, initial and final salvation (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Hebrews 3:6, 12-15; 10:26-30; Revelation 2:26). | Enduring to the End
- The essential daily cross, the crucified life, which Jesus required in following Him (Luke 9:23-24). | Living the Crucified Life
- Forgiving all others from the heart (Matthew 18:21-35). | Forgiveness
- Walking in God’s love (Ephesians 5:1). | The Love Walk
- Holiness – including the necessity of personal holiness (Hebrews 12:14; 1 Peter 1:15-16). | Holiness
- Judgment (Psalms 9:15-17). | Judgment
- Hell (Matthew 8:12; Mark 3:29; Luke 16:19-31). | Hell
- Fearing God (Psalms 2:11; Luke 12:4-5). | Fearing God
When’s the last time you heard verses like this in the modern church?
“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:33
“Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.” Luke 17:33
The modern church is going down in flames into the flames of hell. It cannot be reformed. Come out from it.
“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4
In 2 Timothy 4:3 to “endure sound doctrine” means to hold oneself accountable to it. WHAT’s at the root of those who refuse to “endure sound doctrine”? – They simply do not love Jesus like He commanded them to (Matthew 22:37-39). They profess Christ as Savior and yet love self supremely and therefore serve the god of self. The Holy Ghost through Paul told us this of those who have a mere “form of godliness” in the last day resumé found in 2 Timothy 3:1-7.
Notice by divine design the very first thing he reveals is that “men shall be lovers of their own selves.” All the following evil comes out of self love, refusal to love God supremely and therefore repent, deny self, take up the cross and follow Jesus:
“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:1-7
God is toppling all the heart idols (Ezekiel 14:3)… because He’s Jealous and wants us looking to Him and not these mere men, these vile wolves, these celebrity sinners posing as His representatives (Exodus 34:14).
“For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:” Exodus 34:14
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Fulfilling Your Calling [podcast]
“And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.” Colossians 4:17
MINISTRY which pleases God is simply helping people know and grow in Christ for themselves – by the cross life and getting into HIS Word for themselves so they can follow HIM, not you! True ministry fosters in the hearers faith in God, not the preacher or local church organization! Read 1 Corinthians 2:1-5; 2 Corinthians 1:9; 3:5; 4:5.
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Ephesians 4:1-14
“I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting (equipping, maturing) of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;” Ephesians 4:1-14
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Swept Away in the “Strong Delusion” [podcast]
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God Himself personally sends a “strong delusion” to all who do not love His truth so that they WILL believe lies. He greases their pole to hell. That’s how personally He takes it when people call Him a liar by not believing His Word.
“Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Colossians 2:8
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“He that is OF GOD heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are NOT OF GOD.” John 8:47
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