Is Obeying Jesus Legalism or Lordship Salvation? [podcast]
Easy believism/eternal security is the doctrine of moral cowards who refuse to truly repent, deny self, take up the cross and follow Jesus for real, daily (Luke 9:23-24). This is why they claim that so-called “lordship salvation” is false. These counterfeits love their darkness rather than light and cloak themselves behind these heresies “turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness.” (John 3:19-21; Jude 3-4) They refuse all personal responsibility to truly be accountable to the LORD for every thought, word, deed, and motive.
Obeying God is the command of God and an expression of our love for Him – and not an attempt to get Him to accept us. We are “accepted in the beloved” who is Christ (Ephesians 1:6).
So you claim to be saved for Heaven and yet you aren’t saved from sin? Have you read Matthew 1:21; John 1:29; Romans 6:1-11; Titus 2:11-14; and 1 John 3?
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” Romans 6:1-2
Keep in mind that those who condemningly ostracize those they say teach “Lordship salvation” are the exact same heretics who peddle Satan’s original life, which in our day is call things like “eternal security” or “once saved always saved.” (Genesis 2:17;3:4)
The message of Jesus and His apostles clearly differs from the modern church message. | Did Jesus and His Apostles Teach Eternal Security?
The apostate modern church refuses to acknowledge that the LORD is “Holy, holy, holy” and that He commands all who will know Him to “Be ye holy; for I am holy” (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; 1 Peter 1:15-16). Most modern pastors teach that salvation, once received, is a free pass to live in sin and still be saved into Heaven in the end. The big question is, who will you believe? Will you declare with the apostle Paul, “Let God be true and every man a liar”? Or, will you cling to heresy, tradition, and be irrevocably damned in the end? (Romans 3:4)
Many wish to be bonded to hell, to lies, to falsehood. They cling to their heretical traditions, setting aside the very Word of God to do so (Mark 7:6-9).
“Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:” Isaiah 28:15
ANY PERSON WHO BELIEVES THE DEMONIC HERESY OF UN-CONDITIONAL ETERNAL SECURITY, WILL NOT FEAR GOD OR TAKE SIN SERIOUSLY AS GOD WHO IS “HOLY, HOLY, HOLY” DOES (ISAIAH 6:3; REVELATION 4:8).
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Romans 3:18
To be turned from “the snares of death” one must fear the LORD.
“The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.” Proverbs 14:27
Holiness is essential for eternal glory.
“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16
OSAS/eternal security is a lie from hell. OSAS was Satan’s first lie and so it’s blasphemy to teach this doctrine of devils and claim it’s part of the Gospel. You are attributing Satan’s lie to the LORD Jesus. Repent now sinner. See Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Romans 11:20-22; 1 Timothy 4:1; Hebrews 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21; Jude 4, etc..
The concept of an un-conditional eternal security is not established in Scripture… except for it being Satan’s first teaching, His first lie – the “Ye shall NOT surely die” lie (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).
MESSAGE FROM A LADY WHO HEARD AN “ENDURE TO THE END” VIDEO THE MINISTRY HAS:
“Stay away from these legalists. We are saved by grace, not works. No we are not saved by the law. Jesus came to fulfill the law. He is our only way to heaven, not are good deeds.”
REPLY:
Since when is obeying Jesus, adhering to the whole of what He said, legalism? Regrettably, some just want to use Jesus to get to Heaven, to escape hell, yet want nothing to do with the cross, the crucified life on this earth that Jesus commanded (Luke 9:23-24). These self-serving people believe somehow that THEY can tell Jesus what’s going on, that THEY set the terms of the relationship – instead of humbly, honestly reading His words and adhering to them. Jesus makes it clear that those who are “of God” hear and obey His words (John 8:47; 14:21). They do not make up their own way or follow some “false way” prescribed by the grace perverting wolves the LORD warns us about specifically (Psalms 119:104, 128; Jude 3-4).
“He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” John 8:47 (memory truth)
So was Jesus a legalist?
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21
“Preaching the narrow way is not legalism. Correction is not persecution. And warning is not condemnation! Grow up a little bit!” Unknown
To those who refuse to truly repent and lay down their lives in this present world, obedience to Jesus, the One they claim they are saved by, becomes something of legalism. Sad.
“OSAS creates believers who emphasize faith in Jesus while dismissing obedience to His commandments as self righteousness, trying to earn salvation, trusting in your own works etc.” Teddy Caldwell
So if your husband or wife requires something of you, does that make them a legalist? If they require that you be faithful in your marriage, does that make them a works-based legalist? Isn’t fidelity simply a condition of a loving, pure, secure relationship? If so, why do you whine and balk that Jesus would require that you be holy (set apart), deny self, take up the cross daily, abiding, continuing, enduring to the end with Him?
Let’s talk about grace and what it really looks like when someone is possessed by it:
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;” Titus 2:11-12
According to Titus 2:11-12, what 5 things do we see in the life of the true born again, saved by grace, abiding, Heaven bound disciple of Jesus? What is divine grace teaching them?
- To deny ungodliness in this present world
- To deny worldly lusts in this present world
- To live soberly in this present world
- To live righteously in this present world
- To live godly in this present world
The saving grace of God in Christ is not a license to live in sin but rather the full provision of God to overcome all sin – through the cross lifestyle (Romans 6:1-16). Divine grace enables the abiding believer to overcome all that displeases the LORD and to be fruitful in ministering His true, saving grace in Christ to others.
Anyone who says that God has saved them for Heaven but not from sin, is completely deceived. | Can a True Believer Overcome All Sin? [podcast]
Those who are truly saved by grace are fighting the good fight of faith, abiding, remaining in Christ, enduring to the end. They are choosing to love Jesus supremely, not self (Revelation 2:4-5).
WHO we truly love, who is our “first love” is the issue (Revelation 2:4-5). Those who balk at obeying Jesus simply do not love Him. Those who obey Him joyfully prove they truly love Him.
“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” 1 John 5:3
If your view of serving God is drudgery, you are deceived and in need of getting into His Word.
Those who espouse the eternal security heresy simply want Jesus to forgive the sins they choose to live in and to guarantee bringing them to Heaven when they die. They don’t love Jesus enough to obey Him, to live the crucified life, and to confess all sin. No, in their corrupted, self-serving mind they vainly imagine they can use Christ to get them to Heaven, to miss hell, while they live to please self instead of the Savior. Total rebels.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23
Since when have you seen a married couple who doesn’t have conditions? When’s the last time you heard a couple get married and then say “Well, I’ll do whatever I wish. You don’t tell me what to do or not to do!” ???? In other words, are there no conditions set forth in the marriage vows, in the marriage to keep the integrity of that marriage, such as fidelity and not adultery?
Those who believe they are not accountable to abide in and obey Jesus are spiritual adulterers, just like the five foolish virgins who were engaged to Jesus but were shut out of the eternal bridal chamber for not continuing with Him (Matthew 25:1-13). They got saved yet didn’t remain faithful to their Fiancé (Jesus) and were ousted. | Wisdom for Wise Virgins
The thought of being accountable to Jesus, to obeying Him, is abhorrant to the un-repentant counterfeit who is living this life to please themself, not Christ.
Jesus says to those who have left their first love, who “art fallen,” that they must “repent” or they will be removed.
“Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.” Revelation 2:4-5
“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” Matthew 24:13
“If a man abide (remain, continue) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned (hell).” John 15:6
Grace can be fallen from, lost:
“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE.” Galatians 5:4
It’s true that no one can be saved by law keeping. No one here even hinted that anyone can be saved by law (Rom 10:4). Yet Jesus gives conditions for HIS salvation, many of which counterfeits want nothing to do with. Jesus says to His very own that they must endure to the end, they must abide in Him to the end or they will be burned in the fire (Matthew 24:13; John 15:6). All of His apostles taught the same through out the New Testament (Romans 11:20-22; Colossians 1:22-23; Hebrews 3:6, 12-15; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21, etc.).
Since when is obeying Jesus law keeping? Since when is obeying Jesus, adhering to the whole of what He said, legalism?
“If ye love me, keep my commandments. … He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” John 14:15, 21
“Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.” John 15:14
“God is love” and so if there’s no love in the relationship between you and Him, God isn’t in it! Do we desire and pant for Him? Think about that (1 John 4:8, 16).
Wouldn’t our worship-filled obedience to our Savior be an expression of our love for Him? Yes. The good fruit of obedience saves no one and yet, those truly saved WILL have the fruit of good works.
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:4
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” Titus 1:16
“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” 2 Peter 2:20-21
Paul reminds us Gentiles believers of how God “cut off” His own people, the Jews, when they rebelled against Him, and that He will also “cut off” any of us who do not continue in His goodness and severity (Romans 11:20-22). Any person who rejects this truth is a grace-perverting, sin-justifying fraud who has made a fake god in their own image due to the refusal to truly repent.
The eternal securist is willingly indoctrinated and intentionally, deceitfully selective in the way he interprets Scripture. Beware.
Read the book of Hebrews.
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“O Lord, thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for thy sake I have suffered rebuke. 16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: Jeremiah 15:15-16
Dwelling “in the secret place of the most High”
“He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.” Psalms 91:1-2
“In the secret place of the Most High – Spoken probably in reference to the Holy of holies. He who enters legitimately there shall be covered with the cloud of God’s glory – the protection of the all-sufficient God. This was the privilege of the high priest only, under the law: but under the new covenant all believers in Christ have boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus; and those who thus enter are safe from every evil.” Adam Clarke
“[Psalms] 91:1, 2 Jesus is the One who in a preeminent way dwelt in the secret place of the Most High, and abode under the shadow of the Almighty. There never was a life like His. He lived in absolute, unbroken fellowship with God, His Father. He never acted in self-will but did only those things that the Father directed. Though He was perfect God, He was also perfect Man, and He lived His life on earth in utter and complete dependence on God. Without equivocation He could look up and say, “My refuge and my fortress, my God, in Him I will trust.” Believer’s Bible Commentary
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IF THE WORD isn’t flowing into you daily, you are falling away. Flood and fuel your heart and mind and body with the pure, the holy light of God’s Word daily and you will never famish! All darkness will be vanquished (Psalms 119:130). All who have been saved and yet aren’t in God’s Word and prayer daily – have rejected Christ, with no exception. Re-turn to the LORD prodigal. There’s no good outside of Christ the KING.
“The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.” Psalms 119:130
ALL who are not in God’s written Word daily are not hearing from God, do not have God’s wisdom and direction, and are walking in darkness – 100%.
The feeding of Christ’s flock would integrally involve exhorting them to diligently study and walk in God’s Word themselves, daily (John 21:15-17). Isn’t this exactly what the apostle Paul told Timothy to do? Yes. He told his understudy to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15)
One of the ways we know who the false ministers are, is that they want people dependent on THEM, not God. So, they don’t constantly exhort the people to get into God’s Word, the Holy Scriptures, for themselves. Run.
“This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.” Joshua 1:8
“He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live. … My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. 21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. 22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh. 23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Proverbs 4:4, 20-23
“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” Jeremiah 15:16
“Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.” Job 23:12
“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” Colossians 3:16
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“Reformed Theology“, is just a fancy way of saying ‘We know better than Paul, the old testament prophets, even David! And the very apostles who walked with Jesus must be unlearned men or liars.’ Nay, I will not say such a thing of my LORD and Saviour, Christ Jesus. Let God be true, and >every< man a liar.” Jonathan Crane
It’s “ungodly men” who mislead the gullible with the eternal security heresy, and the heretical doctrines and system of calvinism. Jude warned us of just that, as did the prophets (Jude 3-4; Jeremiah 23:17, etc.). Then Jude reminds us of God’s judgment upon His own covenant people who were saved out of Egypt (the world) and then “afterward destroyed.” Then Jude reminds us that God judged the angels, a third of them, who rebelled against Him and were terminated from His domain, Heaven (Isaiah 14:12-15; Luke 10:18; Revelation 12:7-12, etc.).
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” Jude 4-6
The Book of Jude
Greeting
1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
Judgment on False Teachers
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.
A Call to Persevere
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Doxology
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.