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Would GOD Ever Deny One of His Own People? What Does Scripture Teach?

The Word of God is the truth (John 17:17). Something isn’t true just because you want it to be true. It’s true because the LORD says it – in the context of the whole of His Word (Romans 3:3-4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17, etc.).

Those not honest with the Bible demonstrate that they aren’t honest with its Author (John 8:47; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).

MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE MAKING A VAIN ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY OSAS/ETERNAL SECURITY:

“‘If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny ‘himself.'” 2 Timothy 2:13

REPLY:

“IF WE DENY HIM, HE ALSO WILL DENY US” immediately precedes what you plucked out of its context. Let’s read the context, okay? Read this passage and you will see just how misled you are and how you’ve allowed false teachers to deceive you. READ the passage – just three verses.

2 Timothy 2:11 “It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:”

2 Timothy 2:12 “If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:”

2 Timothy 2:13 “If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”

This passage does not say that God cannot and will not deny us. In fact, it explicitly states that “if we deny him, he also will deny us.” The text says here that “he cannot deny HIMSELF” and also that He will deny us if we deny Him. Case closed. Daily we either deny self or the Savior. “No man can serve two masters.” (Matthew 6:24)

Nothing could be clearer than the truth that God is faithful to Himself and exclusively to those who remain faithful to Him.

The LORD is faithful and He is also just. Anyone who chooses to deny Him, will be denied by Him. Nothing could be more clear in God’s Word.

“Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.” Luke 12:8-9

“The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but IF ye forsake him, he will forsake you.” 2 Chronicles 15:2

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” Romans 11:20-22

IF you leave the LORD, HE’s leaving you…. let’s get a clue. You are personally responsible to be saved and to “abide” which simply means to continue, to remain rooted and grounded in Christ (John 15:1-6, etc.). If not, you will be cast into the fire (John 15:6). Every person peddling the once saved always saved/eternal security heresy is incontrovertibly an “ungodly” man, an agent of Satan himself (Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Jude 4, etc.).

“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” 2 Peter 2:20-21

The LORD never claimed salvation can’t be lost. The Son abideth (remains) forever, not sheep who stray, who rebel and do not abide in the Son, who are committing sin instead of being made free by obeying Him. Read this passage: John 8:34-38.

Seems like He’s saying that the servant who lives in sin instead of continuing with Christ, the truth, “abideth not in the house for ever.”

This passage makes it clear that God requires those He saves to continue in His Word, to continue obeying Him, and as they do, they will be made free from living in sin. To the contrary, those who after being saved do not continue in an abiding relationship with Jesus, will become the servants of sin and will not abide in the LORD’s house.

Jesus Christ is God and His Place with the Father, in the Father’s House, is Fixed, Unalterable, Unchanging, Not Yours.

OSAS/eternal security is a lie from hell. OSAS was Satan’s first lie and so it’s blasphemy to teach this doctrine of devils and claim it’s part of the Gospel. You are attributing Satan’s lie to the LORD Jesus. Repent now sinner. See Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Romans 11:20-22; 1 Timothy 4:1; Hebrews 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21; Jude 4, etc..

The concept of an un-conditional eternal security is not established in Scripture … Except for it being Satan’s first teaching, His first lie – the “Ye shall NOT surely die” lie (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).

Those who don’t continue with Christ on His stated terms, will be “cut off” and cast into the fires of hell (John 15:6; Romans 11:20-22).

Those who foolishly espouse the myth of eternal security/once saved always saved, do so because they worship self, not the Savior. Their heretical theology is built around what caters to them, to their sin, and not Christ who is “Holy, holy, holy.” (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; 1 Peter 1:18-19, etc.). They’ve made a god in their own evil image and are idolaters.

We are either servants to sin or the Savior (Romans 6:16).

Only the truth will make you free – but only if you obey it -if not you will be a slave to sin and removed from the LORD’s house. That’s exactly what Jesus is teaching.

John 8:31  Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IFFFF ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 

John 8:32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall MAKE you free (from living in sin).

John 8:33  They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 

John 8:34  Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 

John 8:35  And the servant abideth (remains) not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 

John 8:36  If the Son therefore shall MAKE you free, ye shall be free indeed. 

John 8:37  I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 

John 8:38  I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 

Most notably here, beginning in v. 31, Jesus doesn’t tell these new believers that they are “eternally secure” or “once saved always saved” as do the false teachers of our day. No, the Son of God informs them that only “IF” they “continue” in His Word, will they be confirmed as His disciples, His true followers, and His truth will make (a process) them free. Justification is immediate and must be followed up with corresponding obedience or such a person will be fallen back into sin.

Those who do not continue with Christ after He saves them will not remain in His house, in His family. They will be the slaves of sin, not the friends, the bride, the body of the Savior.

“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to CONTINUE in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” Acts 14:22

Salvation, your place with the LORD is not an automatically fixed position. God never removes free will from His people. Love is always volitional.

“In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 IFFF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;” Colossians 1:22-23

“Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 THAT he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” Ephesians 5:25-27 

Read 1 John 3.

Those who balk at and ignore that Jesus says you MUST “endure to the end” to be “saved” into eternal glory, simply do not love Him (Matthew 10:22; 24:13, etc.). Jesus is not worth their life. They were worth His life which He gave for them on the cross, yet the Son of God is not worth giving up their own life in this fleeting world. Counterfeits. These are the frauds who hide behind the eternal security sham.

“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:33  

Our LORD is greater than all sin and will forgive… if we simply humble ourselves in honesty and admit, confess, and forsake our sin (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 1:9, etc.).

We are “espoused” to Christ the Bridegroom, not yet married, not consummated, not in the bridal chamber yet. You may be a King’s kid but you’re not home yet. If you are born again and presently abiding with Jesus in HIS terms and no other, you are engaged to be married and spend eternity with Him in the New Jerusalem, in Heaven. Yet this will not happen, this engagement will be canceled, if you choose to commit spiritual adultery on Him and lust after the whims, the sinful desires of the god of self.

“For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused (engaged) you to one husband (Jesus, Bridegroom), that I may present you as a chaste (pure) virgin to Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:2

Do You want to see who the Real Heaven Bound Remnant of Christ are?

Anyone not about the “Father’s business,” anyone claiming to be saved and yet is not engaged in the Great Commission Jesus gave, is about his own business and proves to be a Hell bound self-idolater (Matthew 7:21; Luke 2:49; Revelation 21:8).

Jesus wasn’t about His own but rather stated “I must be about my Father’s business” (Luke 2:49). If we are truly following Jesus, we are owned by HIS agenda, HIS “business” and not our own. You have to lose your life in this world to gain it in Christ’s eternal kingdom (Luke 17:33). The cross. We must be crucified so that self-will is put to death, is put firmly under foot and we cry with our LORD Jesus “not my will, but thine, be done” (Luke 22:42).

Those unfaithful to God’s Word, are unfaithful to Him (John 14:15, 21; 1 John 2:3-6, etc.). Many claim to be engaged to the Great Bridegroom of Heaven while committing adultery on the glorious Son of God. They shall be irrevocably shut out of His eternal abode (Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 19:7-10).

Simply put, those who truly follow Jesus are about His “business” of making Him known to the lost and feeding His flock (Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15; Luke 24:47; Acts, etc.).

May God break our hearts today for that which breaks His holy heart (Psalms 34:18; 55:17).

Souls who Chose to Rebel

Did God spare the 14,700 of His own people when they rebelled in the sin of Korah? No. Read Numbers 16.

Did God spare the 24,000 of His own covenant people when they committed idolatry and fornication in the camp? No. Read Numbers 25.

Through the cross life – the death and burial of the self-life – He makes us holy, sets us apart to Himself. Notice in the verse below that “holiness” and “everlasting life” are inseparable (Hebrews 12:14). Read Romans 6.

“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto HOLINESS, and the end EVERLASTING LIFE.” Romans 6:22 

“Holiness” is essential to “everlasting life.”

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14

“Looking unto Jesus,” “striving against sin,“ seeking to “Be ye holy” is not works salvation, it’s the obedient expression of love to the LORD for all who love Him truly (John 14:15, 21; 15:14; Hebrews 12:1-4; 1 John 2:3-6; 3:1-10, etc.). All others are Cain-ish counterfeits who do things their own way and not God’s. Hell awaits (Mark 9:43-49 KJB; Titus 1:16).

“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16

God expects our obedience to Him (John 14:15). Obeying God proves we love Him (John 15:14).

“If ye love me, keep my commandments … He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me.” John 14:15, 21

Those who don’t obey Jesus clearly demonstrate that they do not love Him. They love self and therefore have refused to obey Him by crucifying sinful self so Jesus can reign.

“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.” Luke 9:23-24

The cross: There’s no other way to serve Christ.

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Top 12 Missing Essential Doctrines in the Modern Church World! [podcast]


DOES THIS SOUND LIKE YOUR “CHURCH” OR FAVORITE PREACHER? It’s real simple… if they are not preaching the cardinal doctrines of the original Gospel given to us in the New Testament, they are preaching “another gospel” and are “accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9).

“For MANY DECEIVERS ARE ENTERED INTO THE WORLD, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 1:7-11

Modern church wolves refuse to preach the original Gospel of Jesus Christ from the pages of Holy Scripture and in the power of the Holy Ghost. No, instead they preach sermonettes that cater to the self-worshiping idolaters they entertain and collect money from (2 Timothy 3:1-7). They don’t even use the King James Bible but rather some cheap counterfeit. Their ear-tickling topics range from healing damaged emotions, 5 love languages, best life now, recovery, learning to love yourSELF, coping platitudes, loneliness, psychobabble band aids, law of attraction, being a successful single, purpose driven delusionment, etc.

Fake “bibles” Exposed

LOTS of lying going on when we have counterfeits peddling affirmation without salvation, the “promise” of things “getting better” when their prey are heading straight to hell. Especially certain social media platforms are flooded with this false gospel coming out of “Christians.” There is no sin or repentance in their message which alone identifies it as a false gospel. You see, the things that are happening to the sinners around us are allowed by God in order to lead them to repentance and yet, the counterfeits among us are assuring those sinners it’s all going to get better and never giving them the 10 Commandments to show them they are sinners (Galatians 3:24) and then, leading them to Jesus (Romans 10:9-10, 13, etc.).  10 Commandments Evangelism

In the modern church world, there is …..

No cross. No Jesus. No blood. No judgment. No sin. No repentance. No hell. No readiness for the soon return of Jesus. No Heaven. No equipping preparation for ministry. No Scripture memory. No holiness. No Messianic prophecies and their fulfillment. No Christology. No fear of God. No repentance. etc., all of which are Bible doctrines essential to salvation and/or essential to sound foundation in Christ and are missing in the modern church world.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15

The only reason we, each of us has been deceived in the past is due to our own biblical ignorance (Proverbs 24:5; Hosea 4:6; 2 Timothy 2:15). Lacking the knowledge of the Word, we didn’t see what they were LEAVING OUT. We didn’t know to discern what they were teaching and what they were NOT teaching. Now, as we grow in the knowledge of the LORD through diligent daily study of His Word, we know to look for the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith.

THE TOP ESSENTIAL BIBLICAL DOCTRINES NEVER HEARD IN THE APOSTATE MODERN CHURCH WORLD!

  1. The divinity of Jesus Christ (John 1:1-4, 14; 1 Timothy 3:16). | Jesus Christ is God
  2. The virgin birth of the only begotten Son of God (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23). | The Virgin Birth of Jesus
  3. The essential precious blood of Jesus Christ (Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 9:22; 1 Peter 1:18-19). | The Blood
  4. The inherent fallen nature of mankind (Genesis 6:5, 12; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 7:18). | Fallen, Sinful Man
  5. Worshipping God not idols (Exodus 20:3-5). | Idolatry
  6. The essential doctrine and necessity of repentance (Luke 13:3). | Repentance
  7. The Return of Christ and being ready for it (Luke 12:40; 21:34-36). | The Return
  8. Who Jesus is returning for and who will be shut out of His eternal kingdom (Matthew 25:1-13; Ephesians 5:25-27). | Ready for Christ’s Return
  9. The essential of enduring to the end to be with Christ eternally, initial and final salvation (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Hebrews 3:6, 12-15; 10:26-30; Revelation 2:26). | Enduring to the End
  10. The essential daily cross, the crucified life, which Jesus required in following Him (Luke 9:23-24). | Living the Crucified Life
  11. Forgiving all others from the heart (Matthew 18:21-35). | Forgiveness
  12. Walking in God’s love (Ephesians 5:1). | The Love Walk
  13. Holiness – including the necessity of personal holiness (Hebrews 12:14; 1 Peter 1:15-16). | Holiness
  14. Judgment (Psalms 9:15-17). | Judgment
  15. Hell (Matthew 8:12; Mark 3:29; Luke 16:19-31). | Hell
  16. Fearing God (Psalms 2:11; Luke 12:4-5). | Fearing God

When’s the last time you heard verses like this in the modern church?

“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:33

“Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.” Luke 17:33

The modern church is going down in flames into the flames of hell. It cannot be reformed. Come out from it.

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4

In 2 Timothy 4:3 to “endure sound doctrine” means to hold oneself accountable to it. WHAT’s at the root of those who refuse to “endure sound doctrine”? – They simply do not love Jesus like He commanded them to (Matthew 22:37-39). They profess Christ as Savior and yet love self supremely and therefore serve the god of self. The Holy Ghost through Paul told us this of those who have a mere “form of godliness” in the last day resumé found in 2 Timothy 3:1-7.

Notice by divine design the very first thing he reveals is that “men shall be lovers of their own selves.” All the following evil comes out of self love, refusal to love God supremely and therefore repent, deny self, take up the cross and follow Jesus:

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:1-7

God is toppling all the heart idols (Ezekiel 14:3)… because He’s Jealous and wants us looking to Him and not these mere men, these vile wolves, these celebrity sinners posing as His representatives (Exodus 34:14).

“For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:” Exodus 34:14

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Fulfilling Your Calling [podcast]


“And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.” Colossians 4:17

MINISTRY which pleases God is simply helping people know and grow in Christ for themselves – by the cross life and getting into HIS Word for themselves so they can follow HIM, not you! True ministry fosters in the hearers faith in God, not the preacher or local church organization! Read 1 Corinthians 2:1-5; 2 Corinthians 1:9; 3:5; 4:5.

Your communications and ministry are fed and fueled by your personal daily study and knowledge of God’s Word (Proverbs 22:17-21; 2 Timothy 2:15).

Ephesians 4:1-14

“I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12  For the perfecting (equipping, maturing) of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;” Ephesians 4:1-14

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Swept Away in the “Strong Delusion” [podcast]


Recorded at a fellowship in Houston, Texas

God Himself personally sends a “strong delusion” to all who do not love His truth so that they WILL believe lies. He greases their pole to hell. That’s how personally He takes it when people call Him a liar by not believing His Word.

“Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” Colossians 2:8

Notice “of God” and “NOT of God”

“He that is OF GOD heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are NOT OF GOD.” John 8:47

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