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Would GOD Ever Deny One of His Own People? What Does Scripture Teach?

The Word of God is the truth (John 17:17). Something isn’t true just because you want it to be true. It’s true because the LORD says it – in the context of the whole of His Word (Romans 3:3-4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17, etc.).

Those not honest with the Bible demonstrate that they aren’t honest with its Author (John 8:47; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).

MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE MAKING A VAIN ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY OSAS/ETERNAL SECURITY:

“‘If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny ‘himself.'” 2 Timothy 2:13

REPLY:

“IF WE DENY HIM, HE ALSO WILL DENY US” immediately precedes what you plucked out of its context. Let’s read the context, okay? Read this passage and you will see just how misled you are and how you’ve allowed false teachers to deceive you. READ the passage – just three verses.

2 Timothy 2:11 “It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:”

2 Timothy 2:12 “If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:”

2 Timothy 2:13 “If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”

This passage does not say that God cannot and will not deny us. In fact, it explicitly states that “if we deny him, he also will deny us.” The text says here that “he cannot deny HIMSELF” and also that He will deny us if we deny Him. Case closed. Daily we either deny self or the Savior. “No man can serve two masters.” (Matthew 6:24)

Nothing could be clearer than the truth that God is faithful to Himself and exclusively to those who remain faithful to Him.

The LORD is faithful and He is also just. Anyone who chooses to deny Him, will be denied by Him. Nothing could be more clear in God’s Word.

“Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.” Luke 12:8-9

“The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but IF ye forsake him, he will forsake you.” 2 Chronicles 15:2

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” Romans 11:20-22

IF you leave the LORD, HE’s leaving you…. let’s get a clue. You are personally responsible to be saved and to “abide” which simply means to continue, to remain rooted and grounded in Christ (John 15:1-6, etc.). If not, you will be cast into the fire (John 15:6). Every person peddling the once saved always saved/eternal security heresy is incontrovertibly an “ungodly” man, an agent of Satan himself (Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Jude 4, etc.).

“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” 2 Peter 2:20-21

The LORD never claimed salvation can’t be lost. The Son abideth (remains) forever, not sheep who stray, who rebel and do not abide in the Son, who are committing sin instead of being made free by obeying Him. Read this passage: John 8:34-38.

Seems like He’s saying that the servant who lives in sin instead of continuing with Christ, the truth, “abideth not in the house for ever.”

This passage makes it clear that God requires those He saves to continue in His Word, to continue obeying Him, and as they do, they will be made free from living in sin. To the contrary, those who after being saved do not continue in an abiding relationship with Jesus, will become the servants of sin and will not abide in the LORD’s house.

Jesus Christ is God and His Place with the Father, in the Father’s House, is Fixed, Unalterable, Unchanging, Not Yours.

OSAS/eternal security is a lie from hell. OSAS was Satan’s first lie and so it’s blasphemy to teach this doctrine of devils and claim it’s part of the Gospel. You are attributing Satan’s lie to the LORD Jesus. Repent now sinner. See Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Romans 11:20-22; 1 Timothy 4:1; Hebrews 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21; Jude 4, etc..

The concept of an un-conditional eternal security is not established in Scripture … Except for it being Satan’s first teaching, His first lie – the “Ye shall NOT surely die” lie (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).

Those who don’t continue with Christ on His stated terms, will be “cut off” and cast into the fires of hell (John 15:6; Romans 11:20-22).

Those who foolishly espouse the myth of eternal security/once saved always saved, do so because they worship self, not the Savior. Their heretical theology is built around what caters to them, to their sin, and not Christ who is “Holy, holy, holy.” (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; 1 Peter 1:18-19, etc.). They’ve made a god in their own evil image and are idolaters.

We are either servants to sin or the Savior (Romans 6:16).

Only the truth will make you free – but only if you obey it -if not you will be a slave to sin and removed from the LORD’s house. That’s exactly what Jesus is teaching.

John 8:31  Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IFFFF ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed

John 8:32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall MAKE you free (from living in sin).

John 8:33  They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 

John 8:34  Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin

John 8:35  And the servant abideth (remains) not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever

John 8:36  If the Son therefore shall MAKE you free, ye shall be free indeed

John 8:37  I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 

John 8:38  I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 

Most notably here, beginning in v. 31, Jesus doesn’t tell these new believers that they are “eternally secure” or “once saved always saved” as do the false teachers of our day. No, the Son of God informs them that only “IF” they “continue” in His Word, will they be confirmed as His disciples, His true followers, and His truth will make (a process) them free. Justification is immediate and must be followed up with corresponding obedience or such a person will be fallen back into sin.

Those who do not continue with Christ after He saves them will not remain in His house, in His family. They will be the slaves of sin, not the friends, the bride, the body of the Savior.

“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to CONTINUE in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” Acts 14:22

Salvation, your place with the LORD is not an automatically fixed position. God never removes free will from His people. Love is always volitional.

“In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 IFFF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;” Colossians 1:22-23

“Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 THAT he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” Ephesians 5:25-27 

Read 1 John 3.

Those who balk at and ignore that Jesus says you MUST “endure to the end” to be “saved” into eternal glory, simply do not love Him (Matthew 10:22; 24:13, etc.). Jesus is not worth their life. They were worth His life which He gave for them on the cross, yet the Son of God is not worth giving up their own life in this fleeting world. Counterfeits. These are the frauds who hide behind the eternal security sham.

“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:33  

Our LORD is greater than all sin and will forgive… if we simply humble ourselves in honesty and admit, confess, and forsake our sin (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 1:9, etc.).

We are “espoused” to Christ the Bridegroom, not yet married, not consummated, not in the bridal chamber yet. You may be a King’s kid but you’re not home yet. If you are born again and presently abiding with Jesus in HIS terms and no other, you are engaged to be married and spend eternity with Him in the New Jerusalem, in Heaven. Yet this will not happen, this engagement will be canceled, if you choose to commit spiritual adultery on Him and lust after the whims, the sinful desires of the god of self.

“For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused (engaged) you to one husband (Jesus, Bridegroom), that I may present you as a chaste (pure) virgin to Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:2

Do You want to see who the Real Heaven Bound Remnant of Christ are?

Anyone not about the “Father’s business,” anyone claiming to be saved and yet is not engaged in the Great Commission Jesus gave, is about his own business and proves to be a Hell bound self-idolater (Matthew 7:21; Luke 2:49; Revelation 21:8).

Jesus wasn’t about His own but rather stated “I must be about my Father’s business” (Luke 2:49). If we are truly following Jesus, we are owned by HIS agenda, HIS “business” and not our own. You have to lose your life in this world to gain it in Christ’s eternal kingdom (Luke 17:33). The cross. We must be crucified so that self-will is put to death, is put firmly under foot and we cry with our LORD Jesus “not my will, but thine, be done” (Luke 22:42).

Those unfaithful to God’s Word, are unfaithful to Him (John 14:15, 21; 1 John 2:3-6, etc.). Many claim to be engaged to the Great Bridegroom of Heaven while committing adultery on the glorious Son of God. They shall be irrevocably shut out of His eternal abode (Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 19:7-10).

Simply put, those who truly follow Jesus are about His “business” of making Him known to the lost and feeding His flock (Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15; Luke 24:47; Acts, etc.).

May God break our hearts today for that which breaks His holy heart (Psalms 34:18; 55:17).

Souls who Chose to Rebel

Did God spare the 14,700 of His own people when they rebelled in the sin of Korah? No. Read Numbers 16.

Did God spare the 24,000 of His own covenant people when they committed idolatry and fornication in the camp? No. Read Numbers 25.

Through the cross life – the death and burial of the self-life – He makes us holy, sets us apart to Himself. Notice in the verse below that “holiness” and “everlasting life” are inseparable (Hebrews 12:14). Read Romans 6.

“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto HOLINESS, and the end EVERLASTING LIFE.” Romans 6:22 

“Holiness” is essential to “everlasting life.”

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14

“Looking unto Jesus,” “striving against sin, seeking to “Be ye holy” is not works salvation, it’s the obedient expression of love to the LORD for all who love Him truly (John 14:15, 21; 15:14; Hebrews 12:1-4; 1 John 2:3-6; 3:1-10, etc.). All others are Cain-ish counterfeits who do things their own way and not God’s. Hell awaits (Mark 9:43-49 KJB; Titus 1:16).

“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16

God expects our obedience to Him (John 14:15). Obeying God proves we love Him (John 15:14).

“If ye love me, keep my commandments … He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me.” John 14:15, 21

Those who don’t obey Jesus clearly demonstrate that they do not love Him. They love self and therefore have refused to obey Him by crucifying sinful self so Jesus can reign.

“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.” Luke 9:23-24

The cross: There’s no other way to serve Christ.

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Chosen, Ordained, Joyfully Fruitful [podcast]


“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,

and ordained you, that ye should go and bring

forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that

whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name,

he may give it you.” John 15:16

  • “Ye have not chosen me”
  • “I have chosen you”
  • “and ordained you”
  • “that ye should go and bring forth fruit”
  • “and that your fruit should remain”

Of this truth, the Believer’s Bible Commentary notes the following:

“15:16 Lest there be any tendency for them to become discouraged and give up, Jesus reminded them that He was the One who chose them. This may mean that He chose them to eternal salvation, to discipleship, or to fruitfulness. He had appointed the disciples to the work which lay before them. We should go and bear fruit. Fruit may mean the graces of the Christian life, such as love, joy, peace, etc. Or it may mean souls won for the Lord Jesus Christ. There is a close link between the two. It is only as we are manifesting the first kind of fruit that we will ever be able to bring forth the second.

The expression “that your fruit should remain” leads us to think that fruit here means the salvation of souls. The Lord chose the disciples to go and bring forth lasting fruit. He was not interested in mere professions of faith in Himself, but in genuine cases of salvation. L. S. Chafer notes that in this chapter we have prayer effectual (v. 7), joy celestial (v. 11), and fruit perpetual (v. 16). “That whatever you ask … .” The secret of effective service is prayer. The disciples were sent forth with the guarantee that the Father would grant them whatever they asked in Christ’s name.”

Adam Clarke writes;

“The first ministers of the Gospel were the choice of Jesus Christ; no wonder, then, that they were so successful. Those whom men have since sent, without the appointment of God, have done no good. The choice should still continue with God, who, knowing the heart, knows best who is most proper for the Gospel ministry.

To be a genuine preacher of the Gospel, a man must –

1. Be chosen of God to the work.
2. He must be placed in the true vine – united to Christ by faith.
3. He must not think to lead an idle life, but labor.
4. He must not wait till work be brought to him, but he must go and seek it.
5. He must labor so as to bring forth fruit, i.e. to get souls converted to the Lord.
6. He must refer all his fruit to God, who gave him the power to labor, and blessed him in his work.
7. He must take care to water what he has planted, that his fruit may remain – that the souls whom he has gathered in be not scattered from the flock.
8. He must continue instant in prayer, that his labors may be accompanied with the presence and blessing of God – Whatsoever ye shall Ask.
9. He must consider Jesus Christ as the great Mediator between God and man, proclaim his salvation, and pray in his name. – Whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, etc. See Quesnel.”

God alone ordains His people to His work and brings them

through many purging seasons to cause His fruitfulness in

them, preparing them to bear more of His fruit.

God chose us and blessed us with the ability to repent and

receive Christ. As His people, He’s also ordained us to “go

and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain.”

As we read this discourse from our LORD (John 15 and 17),

we discover that He is speaking of that abiding fellowship we

have with Him, and how out of it is borne the good fruit of

His ministry in and through our life.

Being rooted in that oneness, the abiding relationship with

Christ, is all-important to our relationship with Him and the

Father. As his student, His disciple, may the reader be

encouraged to pour prayerfully over these truths captured,

and given to us in John, chapters 15 and 17.

Isaiah 43

“But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. 2  When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. 3  For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. 4  Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life. 5  Fear not: for I am with thee … “

Prayer: Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus, please make me one with You. Please deeply root and establish my life in an abiding fellowship with You dear LORD.

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The One Essential to Victory [podcast]


Victory is at hand!! This message is at the heart of the original Gospel message Christ and that His apostles gave. Yet, this is seldom if ever heard today. Victory awaits you!!!!! God desires to give it to you!!!! You be careful though saint. Be not deceived. Get this truth in your heart and life and God will raise you upward to the victory that brings Him glory and where you belong. Paul said that there are many “enemies of the cross of Christ.” (Phil. 3:18-19) Discover who they are and what is divinely required for you to be blessed with victory in this life and in eternity with Christ!

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Kiss Jesus Or be Crushed as His Enemy! [podcast]


Satan’s Pitiful Petty Perverted Pawns have an Expiration Date!

“Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.” Isaiah 13:9 

Psalm 2 is Prophetic of Christ and of His Return to Take back Possession of His Planet, Earth

The Reign of the Lord’s Anointed

1  Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 
2  The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 
3  Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 
4  He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 
5  Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 
6  Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 
7  I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 
8  Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 
9  Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel. 
10  Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 
11  Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 
12  Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. 

GOD told us He’s laughing at these luciferians and all their “elaborate plans” to control humanity. Read Psalms 2. Jesus is coming. His enemies will be crushed under His holy, Almighty feet (Romans 16:20).

“And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.” Romans 16:20

The future belongs exclusively to Jesus Christ and His followers. Read the book of Revelation!

“And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.” Matthew 21:44

Jesus is coming back “In flaming fire taking vengeance.”

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.” 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

The Coming of the Son of Man

“And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.” Luke 21:25-28 

Just as Aaron’s rod swallowed up the rods of the sorcerers of Egypt (the world), so shall Christ’s kingdom swallow up the kingdoms of this world! (Exodus 7:12; Daniel 2:44; 7:14) Will you be a part of Christ’s eternal kingdom?  

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” Revelation 11:15

Bow now or burn forever.

All who refuse to repent, bowing down to “kiss the Son” of God will perish in their own corruption and be violently vanquished into the bowels of eternal damnation, the prison of fire, which will then be “cast into the lake of fire.”

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:14-15

“EVERY Knee”

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Philippians 2:9-11

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