
Is God faithful to save us if we aren’t faithful to Him, if we deny Him? [podcast]
Would GOD Ever Deny One of His Own People? What Does Scripture Teach?
The Word of God is the truth (John 17:17). Something isn’t true just because you want it to be true. It’s true because the LORD says it – in the context of the whole of His Word (Romans 3:3-4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17, etc.).
Those not honest with the Bible demonstrate that they aren’t honest with its Author (John 8:47; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).
MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE MAKING A VAIN ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY OSAS/ETERNAL SECURITY:
“‘If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny ‘himself.'” 2 Timothy 2:13
REPLY:
“IF WE DENY HIM, HE ALSO WILL DENY US” immediately precedes what you plucked out of its context. Let’s read the context, okay? Read this passage and you will see just how misled you are and how you’ve allowed false teachers to deceive you. READ the passage – just three verses.
2 Timothy 2:11 “It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:”
2 Timothy 2:12 “If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:”
2 Timothy 2:13 “If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”
This passage does not say that God cannot and will not deny us. In fact, it explicitly states that “if we deny him, he also will deny us.” The text says here that “he cannot deny HIMSELF” and also that He will deny us if we deny Him. Case closed. Daily we either deny self or the Savior. “No man can serve two masters.” (Matthew 6:24)
Nothing could be clearer than the truth that God is faithful to Himself and exclusively to those who remain faithful to Him.
The LORD is faithful and He is also just. Anyone who chooses to deny Him, will be denied by Him. Nothing could be more clear in God’s Word.
“Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.” Luke 12:8-9
“The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but IF ye forsake him, he will forsake you.” 2 Chronicles 15:2
“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” Romans 11:20-22
IF you leave the LORD, HE’s leaving you…. let’s get a clue. You are personally responsible to be saved and to “abide” which simply means to continue, to remain rooted and grounded in Christ (John 15:1-6, etc.). If not, you will be cast into the fire (John 15:6). Every person peddling the once saved always saved/eternal security heresy is incontrovertibly an “ungodly” man, an agent of Satan himself (Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Jude 4, etc.).
“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” 2 Peter 2:20-21
The LORD never claimed salvation can’t be lost. The Son abideth (remains) forever, not sheep who stray, who rebel and do not abide in the Son, who are committing sin instead of being made free by obeying Him. Read this passage: John 8:34-38.
Seems like He’s saying that the servant who lives in sin instead of continuing with Christ, the truth, “abideth not in the house for ever.”
This passage makes it clear that God requires those He saves to continue in His Word, to continue obeying Him, and as they do, they will be made free from living in sin. To the contrary, those who after being saved do not continue in an abiding relationship with Jesus, will become the servants of sin and will not abide in the LORD’s house.
Jesus Christ is God and His Place with the Father, in the Father’s House, is Fixed, Unalterable, Unchanging, Not Yours.
OSAS/eternal security is a lie from hell. OSAS was Satan’s first lie and so it’s blasphemy to teach this doctrine of devils and claim it’s part of the Gospel. You are attributing Satan’s lie to the LORD Jesus. Repent now sinner. See Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Romans 11:20-22; 1 Timothy 4:1; Hebrews 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21; Jude 4, etc..
The concept of an un-conditional eternal security is not established in Scripture … Except for it being Satan’s first teaching, His first lie – the “Ye shall NOT surely die” lie (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).
Those who don’t continue with Christ on His stated terms, will be “cut off” and cast into the fires of hell (John 15:6; Romans 11:20-22).
Those who foolishly espouse the myth of eternal security/once saved always saved, do so because they worship self, not the Savior. Their heretical theology is built around what caters to them, to their sin, and not Christ who is “Holy, holy, holy.” (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; 1 Peter 1:18-19, etc.). They’ve made a god in their own evil image and are idolaters.
We are either servants to sin or the Savior (Romans 6:16).
Only the truth will make you free – but only if you obey it -if not you will be a slave to sin and removed from the LORD’s house. That’s exactly what Jesus is teaching.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IFFFF ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall MAKE you free (from living in sin).
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth (remains) not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall MAKE you free, ye shall be free indeed.
John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Most notably here, beginning in v. 31, Jesus doesn’t tell these new believers that they are “eternally secure” or “once saved always saved” as do the false teachers of our day. No, the Son of God informs them that only “IF” they “continue” in His Word, will they be confirmed as His disciples, His true followers, and His truth will make (a process) them free. Justification is immediate and must be followed up with corresponding obedience or such a person will be fallen back into sin.
Those who do not continue with Christ after He saves them will not remain in His house, in His family. They will be the slaves of sin, not the friends, the bride, the body of the Savior.
“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to CONTINUE in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” Acts 14:22
Salvation, your place with the LORD is not an automatically fixed position. God never removes free will from His people. Love is always volitional.
“In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 IFFF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;” Colossians 1:22-23
“Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 THAT he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” Ephesians 5:25-27
Read 1 John 3.
Those who balk at and ignore that Jesus says you MUST “endure to the end” to be “saved” into eternal glory, simply do not love Him (Matthew 10:22; 24:13, etc.). Jesus is not worth their life. They were worth His life which He gave for them on the cross, yet the Son of God is not worth giving up their own life in this fleeting world. Counterfeits. These are the frauds who hide behind the eternal security sham.
“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:33
Our LORD is greater than all sin and will forgive… if we simply humble ourselves in honesty and admit, confess, and forsake our sin (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 1:9, etc.).
We are “espoused” to Christ the Bridegroom, not yet married, not consummated, not in the bridal chamber yet. You may be a King’s kid but you’re not home yet. If you are born again and presently abiding with Jesus in HIS terms and no other, you are engaged to be married and spend eternity with Him in the New Jerusalem, in Heaven. Yet this will not happen, this engagement will be canceled, if you choose to commit spiritual adultery on Him and lust after the whims, the sinful desires of the god of self.
“For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused (engaged) you to one husband (Jesus, Bridegroom), that I may present you as a chaste (pure) virgin to Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:2
Do You want to see who the Real Heaven Bound Remnant of Christ are?
Anyone not about the “Father’s business,” anyone claiming to be saved and yet is not engaged in the Great Commission Jesus gave, is about his own business and proves to be a Hell bound self-idolater (Matthew 7:21; Luke 2:49; Revelation 21:8).
Jesus wasn’t about His own but rather stated “I must be about my Father’s business” (Luke 2:49). If we are truly following Jesus, we are owned by HIS agenda, HIS “business” and not our own. You have to lose your life in this world to gain it in Christ’s eternal kingdom (Luke 17:33). The cross. We must be crucified so that self-will is put to death, is put firmly under foot and we cry with our LORD Jesus “not my will, but thine, be done” (Luke 22:42).
Those unfaithful to God’s Word, are unfaithful to Him (John 14:15, 21; 1 John 2:3-6, etc.). Many claim to be engaged to the Great Bridegroom of Heaven while committing adultery on the glorious Son of God. They shall be irrevocably shut out of His eternal abode (Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 19:7-10).
Simply put, those who truly follow Jesus are about His “business” of making Him known to the lost and feeding His flock (Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15; Luke 24:47; Acts, etc.).
May God break our hearts today for that which breaks His holy heart (Psalms 34:18; 55:17).
Souls who Chose to Rebel
Did God spare the 14,700 of His own people when they rebelled in the sin of Korah? No. Read Numbers 16.
Did God spare the 24,000 of His own covenant people when they committed idolatry and fornication in the camp? No. Read Numbers 25.
Through the cross life – the death and burial of the self-life – He makes us holy, sets us apart to Himself. Notice in the verse below that “holiness” and “everlasting life” are inseparable (Hebrews 12:14). Read Romans 6.
“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto HOLINESS, and the end EVERLASTING LIFE.” Romans 6:22
“Holiness” is essential to “everlasting life.”
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14
“Looking unto Jesus,” “striving against sin,“ seeking to “Be ye holy” is not works salvation, it’s the obedient expression of love to the LORD for all who love Him truly (John 14:15, 21; 15:14; Hebrews 12:1-4; 1 John 2:3-6; 3:1-10, etc.). All others are Cain-ish counterfeits who do things their own way and not God’s. Hell awaits (Mark 9:43-49 KJB; Titus 1:16).
“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16
God expects our obedience to Him (John 14:15). Obeying God proves we love Him (John 15:14).
“If ye love me, keep my commandments … He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me.” John 14:15, 21
Those who don’t obey Jesus clearly demonstrate that they do not love Him. They love self and therefore have refused to obey Him by crucifying sinful self so Jesus can reign.
“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.” Luke 9:23-24
The cross: There’s no other way to serve Christ.



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Is Romans 7 Before or After Paul’s Salvation?

“The truth is that while Christ dwells in the believer’s new nature, He has strong competition from the believer’s old nature. The warfare between the old and the new goes on continually in most believers.” AW Tozer
The law of God is “holy, and just, and good.” (Romans 7:12)
The holy law of God and the depraved nature of fallen mankind could not be further apart – the righteousness of God inherent in His law vs the “old man,” the iniquitous fallen nature of mankind (Ephesians 4:22; Colossians 3:9).
Nothing but a caustic reaction, explosion could be the result of the 2 colliding (Romans 7). One or the other must reign.
“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.” Galatians 5:17
In what tense did the great apostle speak in when addressing this “old man” that wars against the Spirit in us?
“O WRETCHed man that I am! (presently) who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” Romans 7:24
Paul’s flesh was and our flesh is a constant reminder of the ever momentary need for the cross, burial, and resurrection grace of Jesus (Romans 6:3-10; 8:11; 2 Corinthians 4:10-12; Galatians 2:20, etc.). Read Romans chapters 6-7 each morning this week.
“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.” Romans 7:18
No, the apostle wasn’t admitting to living in sin but rather that that “old man” – the flesh – was present and must be crucified with Christ daily. Is that not exactly what Jesus taught?
“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his CROSS DAILY, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.” Luke 9:23-24
I believe Romans 7 applies to both before and after one is saved …. Because if the saved person departs from the daily cross walk, that same “old man” will take center stage. “O wretch man that I AM (present)” (Romans 7:18) ….. we are born again children of God, saints of the Most High and yet that potential to evil, that “old man” must be crucified and “put off” by the daily cross so the “new man” can reign with Christ in this life and eternity. What Paul calls the “old man” must be “put off” and so we can conclude that there IS an “old man” to be “put off” otherwise no such instruction would have been given. We are not to deny the “old man” – the sinful bent – but rather to crucify it (Romans 6; Ephesians 4:22; Colossians 3:9).
Charles Pray writes: “So many want to hide their sins, especially those who like to appear Holy on the outside while inside they are dark, unholy ministers of the flesh. They have become a product of their own desires. Dear Lord, please bring them back to their first Love–Jesus! Amen.”
Saints, we cannot possibly begin to appreciate this “so great salvation” that is Christ until we understand how lost, helpless, and alienated we were in our sin (Ephesians 2:1-10; Hebrews 2:3). We must study to understand the biblical doctrine of inherent sin, fallen mankind, and the holiness of God …. in order to begin to be able to appreciate the redemption that is in Jesus Christ.
What to “Put Off” and What to “Put On”
“That ye put off concerning the former conversation THE OLD MAN, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on THE NEW MAN, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.” Ephesians 4:22-24
“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off THE OLD MAN with his deeds; 10 And have put on THE NEW MAN, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:” Colossians 3:9-10
“When we embrace the crucified life we are given overflowing rivers of new life! New life is breathed into us. Walking in the flesh only makes our soul sick with sin! And sin kills and destroys! (Romans 6:23). Rotting us from the inside out! But the way of the cross brings life to our flesh! (Proverbs 3:8, 4:22). Our flesh meaning our whole spirit, soul and body. 1 Thessalonians 5:23. We cannot be a whole person until we are completely given over to the Lord! And this can only happen through the cross. When we are dead and buried and raised up in the newness of life Jesus offers us, then the joy of the Lord will fill our hearts!” Karen Cochran
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What Does it Mean to Follow Christ? [podcast]

“Earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Jude 3
THE LORD is calling for an immediate release of the WHOLE counsel of HIS WORD!
DO you have a 20/20 vision? Read Acts 20:20 and get it!
Just like fake news TV, wolves only give you a small part of the whole story – in order to manipulate you! Half truths kill!
YOU know when you are right with God when you are running TO the cross message and not AWAY from it! “Enemies of the cross” of Christ “mind earthly things” and not the things the LORD commanded (Philippians 3:18-19).
The cross is a dethroning, unseating of self and the enthroning of Christ!
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“I Desire Fruit that May Abound to Your Account” [podcast]

“Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.” Philippians 4:17
Did you realize that as a born again disciple of Jesus, that you have an “account” in Heaven?
“Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Matthew 6:19-21
Laying up treasure in Heaven and not wasting it on this fleeting life, is the command and the wisdom of God.
“But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee.” 1 Chronicles 29:14
To some I would say:
“So let me get this straight…. you attributed your own earnings for your whole life to yourself and so now, how dare someone suggest you allow other saints to help fund God’s work, to lay up treasure in Heaven …..”
“But as his part is that goeth down to the battle, so shall his part be that tarrieth by the stuff: they shall part alike.” 1 Samuel 30:24
Some seem to take offense to anyone receiving help from God’s people… which is 100% selfish and pride filled…. in more than one way:
1. The work is expanded with greater funding;
2. God’s people are laying up treasure in Heaven when they choose to give.
This all seems to indicate that you are far too involved in the “ministry” you are doing. It’s all about you, not Christ.
Think about how Jesus and Paul and John had numerous “fellowhelpers to the truth.” Every member was free and able to function fully in our LORD’s work.
“We therefore ought to receive such, that we might be fellowhelpers to the truth.” 3 John 8
Apparently some bogusly believe, pretend to be more righteous than Jesus and the apostle Paul by denying love offerings to do the work of God.
These men are actually preventing God’s people from laying up treasure in heaven and acting self-righteous about it.
Apparently you seek to be the hero who serves yourself in many ways instead of Christ and others and therefore you wish all of your labor be attributed to your own account in Heaven. Philippians 4:17 says: “Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.”
We give the Gospel “without charge”…. and yet that does not in any way negate all that the Bible says about giving and laying up treasure in Heaven: “What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel” (1 Corinthians 9:18). This would mean that he doesn’t ask for money and yet that doesn’t mean he didn’t receive such help nor that what he taught in verses 1-14 are negated.
Regrettably, there are men doing ministry who are babes in understanding this Bible 101 doctrine of giving, of stewardship.
Isn’t it time we get out of the way and let those sitting on the bench get on the field, participate, lay up treasure in Heaven?
Do we not understand how Christ told us His kingdom works…. that when we give, it connects our hearts closer to Christ and His work? See Matthew 6:21.
Following our heretical beliefs instead of the Bible on this topic of stewardship would have thus far resulted in the deprivation of so very many beloved needy people here in Mexico. It would have cheated them out of many blessings…. food and the Word, salvation, etc.
Remember, such as was the case with the few loaves and fishes. Jesus takes what we give to Him, to His work, and multiplies it. Do the math. John 6. Five thousand men were fed out of 5 loaves and 2 fishes and yet there was much food (more than they began with) left over, surplus (2 Corinthians 9:8; Ephesians 3:20).
“Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.” John 6:13
Regrettably, we have novices who are abandoning the truth of God due to others perverting it….(2 Corinthians 2:17).
Are they making excuse for not giving?
The LORD “giveth us richly all things to enjoy.”
Every good and every perfect gift on this earth is from God and is a mere foretaste of glory divine!
“The living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy.” 1 Timothy 6:17
Does God’s Word not warn us that God’s people are to “behold” both “the goodness and the SEVERITY of God” lest we be “cut off”?
“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” Romans 11:22
LORD, we thank You now for EVERY good and perfect blessing You alone have provided—beginning with the ultimate, the unspeakable, the unfathomable gift of Your only begotten Son who died, was buried, and raised again from the dead to justify us (Romans 4:25)! We love You LORD Jesus!
“Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.” James 1:17
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