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Would GOD Ever Deny One of His Own People? What Does Scripture Teach?

The Word of God is the truth (John 17:17). Something isn’t true just because you want it to be true. It’s true because the LORD says it – in the context of the whole of His Word (Romans 3:3-4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17, etc.).

Those not honest with the Bible demonstrate that they aren’t honest with its Author (John 8:47; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).

MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE MAKING A VAIN ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY OSAS/ETERNAL SECURITY:

“‘If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny ‘himself.'” 2 Timothy 2:13

REPLY:

“IF WE DENY HIM, HE ALSO WILL DENY US” immediately precedes what you plucked out of its context. Let’s read the context, okay? Read this passage and you will see just how misled you are and how you’ve allowed false teachers to deceive you. READ the passage – just three verses.

2 Timothy 2:11 “It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:”

2 Timothy 2:12 “If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:”

2 Timothy 2:13 “If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”

This passage does not say that God cannot and will not deny us. In fact, it explicitly states that “if we deny him, he also will deny us.” The text says here that “he cannot deny HIMSELF” and also that He will deny us if we deny Him. Case closed. Daily we either deny self or the Savior. “No man can serve two masters.” (Matthew 6:24)

Nothing could be clearer than the truth that God is faithful to Himself and exclusively to those who remain faithful to Him.

The LORD is faithful and He is also just. Anyone who chooses to deny Him, will be denied by Him. Nothing could be more clear in God’s Word.

“Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.” Luke 12:8-9

“The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but IF ye forsake him, he will forsake you.” 2 Chronicles 15:2

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” Romans 11:20-22

IF you leave the LORD, HE’s leaving you…. let’s get a clue. You are personally responsible to be saved and to “abide” which simply means to continue, to remain rooted and grounded in Christ (John 15:1-6, etc.). If not, you will be cast into the fire (John 15:6). Every person peddling the once saved always saved/eternal security heresy is incontrovertibly an “ungodly” man, an agent of Satan himself (Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Jude 4, etc.).

“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” 2 Peter 2:20-21

The LORD never claimed salvation can’t be lost. The Son abideth (remains) forever, not sheep who stray, who rebel and do not abide in the Son, who are committing sin instead of being made free by obeying Him. Read this passage: John 8:34-38.

Seems like He’s saying that the servant who lives in sin instead of continuing with Christ, the truth, “abideth not in the house for ever.”

This passage makes it clear that God requires those He saves to continue in His Word, to continue obeying Him, and as they do, they will be made free from living in sin. To the contrary, those who after being saved do not continue in an abiding relationship with Jesus, will become the servants of sin and will not abide in the LORD’s house.

Jesus Christ is God and His Place with the Father, in the Father’s House, is Fixed, Unalterable, Unchanging, Not Yours.

OSAS/eternal security is a lie from hell. OSAS was Satan’s first lie and so it’s blasphemy to teach this doctrine of devils and claim it’s part of the Gospel. You are attributing Satan’s lie to the LORD Jesus. Repent now sinner. See Genesis 2:17; 3:4; Romans 11:20-22; 1 Timothy 4:1; Hebrews 3:6, 12-14; 10:26-39; 2 Peter 2:20-21; Jude 4, etc..

The concept of an un-conditional eternal security is not established in Scripture … Except for it being Satan’s first teaching, His first lie – the “Ye shall NOT surely die” lie (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).

Those who don’t continue with Christ on His stated terms, will be “cut off” and cast into the fires of hell (John 15:6; Romans 11:20-22).

Those who foolishly espouse the myth of eternal security/once saved always saved, do so because they worship self, not the Savior. Their heretical theology is built around what caters to them, to their sin, and not Christ who is “Holy, holy, holy.” (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; 1 Peter 1:18-19, etc.). They’ve made a god in their own evil image and are idolaters.

We are either servants to sin or the Savior (Romans 6:16).

Only the truth will make you free – but only if you obey it -if not you will be a slave to sin and removed from the LORD’s house. That’s exactly what Jesus is teaching.

John 8:31  Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IFFFF ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed

John 8:32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall MAKE you free (from living in sin).

John 8:33  They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 

John 8:34  Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin

John 8:35  And the servant abideth (remains) not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever

John 8:36  If the Son therefore shall MAKE you free, ye shall be free indeed

John 8:37  I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 

John 8:38  I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 

Most notably here, beginning in v. 31, Jesus doesn’t tell these new believers that they are “eternally secure” or “once saved always saved” as do the false teachers of our day. No, the Son of God informs them that only “IF” they “continue” in His Word, will they be confirmed as His disciples, His true followers, and His truth will make (a process) them free. Justification is immediate and must be followed up with corresponding obedience or such a person will be fallen back into sin.

Those who do not continue with Christ after He saves them will not remain in His house, in His family. They will be the slaves of sin, not the friends, the bride, the body of the Savior.

“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to CONTINUE in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” Acts 14:22

Salvation, your place with the LORD is not an automatically fixed position. God never removes free will from His people. Love is always volitional.

“In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 IFFF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;” Colossians 1:22-23

“Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 THAT he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” Ephesians 5:25-27 

Read 1 John 3.

Those who balk at and ignore that Jesus says you MUST “endure to the end” to be “saved” into eternal glory, simply do not love Him (Matthew 10:22; 24:13, etc.). Jesus is not worth their life. They were worth His life which He gave for them on the cross, yet the Son of God is not worth giving up their own life in this fleeting world. Counterfeits. These are the frauds who hide behind the eternal security sham.

“So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:33  

Our LORD is greater than all sin and will forgive… if we simply humble ourselves in honesty and admit, confess, and forsake our sin (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 1:9, etc.).

We are “espoused” to Christ the Bridegroom, not yet married, not consummated, not in the bridal chamber yet. You may be a King’s kid but you’re not home yet. If you are born again and presently abiding with Jesus in HIS terms and no other, you are engaged to be married and spend eternity with Him in the New Jerusalem, in Heaven. Yet this will not happen, this engagement will be canceled, if you choose to commit spiritual adultery on Him and lust after the whims, the sinful desires of the god of self.

“For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused (engaged) you to one husband (Jesus, Bridegroom), that I may present you as a chaste (pure) virgin to Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:2

Do You want to see who the Real Heaven Bound Remnant of Christ are?

Anyone not about the “Father’s business,” anyone claiming to be saved and yet is not engaged in the Great Commission Jesus gave, is about his own business and proves to be a Hell bound self-idolater (Matthew 7:21; Luke 2:49; Revelation 21:8).

Jesus wasn’t about His own but rather stated “I must be about my Father’s business” (Luke 2:49). If we are truly following Jesus, we are owned by HIS agenda, HIS “business” and not our own. You have to lose your life in this world to gain it in Christ’s eternal kingdom (Luke 17:33). The cross. We must be crucified so that self-will is put to death, is put firmly under foot and we cry with our LORD Jesus “not my will, but thine, be done” (Luke 22:42).

Those unfaithful to God’s Word, are unfaithful to Him (John 14:15, 21; 1 John 2:3-6, etc.). Many claim to be engaged to the Great Bridegroom of Heaven while committing adultery on the glorious Son of God. They shall be irrevocably shut out of His eternal abode (Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 19:7-10).

Simply put, those who truly follow Jesus are about His “business” of making Him known to the lost and feeding His flock (Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15; Luke 24:47; Acts, etc.).

May God break our hearts today for that which breaks His holy heart (Psalms 34:18; 55:17).

Souls who Chose to Rebel

Did God spare the 14,700 of His own people when they rebelled in the sin of Korah? No. Read Numbers 16.

Did God spare the 24,000 of His own covenant people when they committed idolatry and fornication in the camp? No. Read Numbers 25.

Through the cross life – the death and burial of the self-life – He makes us holy, sets us apart to Himself. Notice in the verse below that “holiness” and “everlasting life” are inseparable (Hebrews 12:14). Read Romans 6.

“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto HOLINESS, and the end EVERLASTING LIFE.” Romans 6:22 

“Holiness” is essential to “everlasting life.”

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14

“Looking unto Jesus,” “striving against sin, seeking to “Be ye holy” is not works salvation, it’s the obedient expression of love to the LORD for all who love Him truly (John 14:15, 21; 15:14; Hebrews 12:1-4; 1 John 2:3-6; 3:1-10, etc.). All others are Cain-ish counterfeits who do things their own way and not God’s. Hell awaits (Mark 9:43-49 KJB; Titus 1:16).

“But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:15-16

God expects our obedience to Him (John 14:15). Obeying God proves we love Him (John 15:14).

“If ye love me, keep my commandments … He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me.” John 14:15, 21

Those who don’t obey Jesus clearly demonstrate that they do not love Him. They love self and therefore have refused to obey Him by crucifying sinful self so Jesus can reign.

“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.” Luke 9:23-24

The cross: There’s no other way to serve Christ.

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Going Directly to the Source [podcast]


IF you desire to truly hear from GOD, read His own Word for yourself. King James Bible.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:16-17

“Nourished Up” – like a wise virgin Heaven bound saint.

“If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.” 1 Timothy 4:6

On this biblical topic of fervency, of being “fervent in spirit”, one commentary offers the following:

“Nourished up in the words of faith” is a biblical phrase from 1 Timothy 4:6, meaning to be continually fed, strengthened, and built up by scripture, sound Christian teaching, and doctrine, much like food sustains the body, these spiritual words sustain and grow the soul, leading to spiritual maturity and a deeper walk with God. It signifies a deliberate, ongoing intake of God’s truth, which fosters growth, guards against false teachings, and fuels a believer’s life.” (Source?)

It’s one thing to have a mere human giving you encouragement and yet another thing to get your encouragement, your spiritual nourishment from God—directly. King James Bible.

Psalms 73

“Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.

2 But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped.

3 For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

4 For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm.

5 They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men.

6 Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.

7 Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.

8 They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.

9 They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.

10 Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.

11 And they say, How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the most High?

12 Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.

13 Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain, and washed my hands in innocency.

14 For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.

15 If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.

16 When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;

17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

18 Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.

19 How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.

20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

21 Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.

22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.

23 Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand.

24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.

25 Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.

26 My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.

27 For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.

28 But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.”

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“Fervent in Spirit” [podcast]


“Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;” Romans 12:11

Concerning being “fervent in spirit,” one commentator notes that this means to:

“Maintain zeal to the boiling point.” Dake

“Fervent” – A primary verb; to be hot (boil, of liquids; or glow, of solids), that is, (figuratively) be fervid (earnest): – be fervent.

“Do nothing at any time but what is to the glory of God, and do every thing as unto him; and in every thing let your hearts be engaged.” Adam Clarke

“Never let your zeal flag (lag, drop, tank), maintain the spiritual glow, serve the Lord.” Here we are reminded of the words of Jeremiah 48:10: ‘Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully,'” Believer’s Bible Commentary

Apollos was “fervent in the spirit.”

“This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being FERVENT in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.” Acts 18:25 

In all things Christ’s saints are to be “fervent in spirit”:

“Not slothful in business; FERVENT in spirit; serving the Lord;” Romans 12:11

Disciples of Jesus are to have a “fervent mind” toward all saints and ministers of His blessed Gospel:

“And not by his coming only, but by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your mourning, your FERVENT mind toward me; so that I rejoiced the more.” 2 Corinthians 7:7 

“Fervent prayer” is to be offered to God for other of His saints:

“Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual FERVENT prayer of a righteous man availeth much.” James_5:16

Jesus’ people are to have “fervent charity among” ourselves:

“And above all things have FERVENT charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.” 1 Peter 4:8

“Fervent heat” will soon consume the wicked who refused the salvation that comes from Christ alone:

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with FERVENT heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” 2 Peter 3:10 

“Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with FERVENT heat.” 2 Peter 3:12 

On this biblical topic of fervency, of being “fervent in spirit”, one commentary offers the following:

“2 Peter 3:

To be ‘fervent in spirit’ means to have intense, burning passion, zeal, and enthusiasm for spiritual matters, often linked to serving God, rather than being lukewarm or apathetic. It implies being ‘boiled’ with spiritual energy, actively engaged, and diligent in faith, as described in Romans 12:11, (‘not slothful in business, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord’). It’s a passionate, fiery commitment, distinct from fanaticism, involving earnest application and a deep love for God. 

Key aspects:

  • Intensity: A deep, glowing, or boiling heat of emotion and dedication. 
  • Diligence: Not being lazy or half-hearted, but actively applying oneself to spiritual duties. 
  • Spiritual Zeal: A strong desire and excitement for God’s will, the Gospel, and spiritual growth. 
  • Source: Often described as being moved by the Holy Spirit, a fire within. 
  • Biblical Example: Apollos was described as ‘fervent in the spirit’ as he taught diligently about the Lord (Acts 18:25). 
How it’s expressed:
  • Passionate prayer
  • Diligent study of God’s Word
  • Active, loving service to others
  • Bold witnessing for faith
  • Being ‘on fire’ for God, not lukewarm” 

Jesus says that those in His church who are “lukewarm” will be spued or rejected (Revelation 3:15-16). What’s the opposite of being “lukewarm”? – being “fervent in spirit.”

“Amen! Don’t let your fire die as the church in Laodicea did! They were neither cold nor hot. They were lukewarm. Comfortable! Indifferent! Their fire for the Lord had gone out. God’s not looking for people who play it safe but people who burn with fire for Him!!!” Karen Cochran

YOUR PRAYER: LORD, make me Yours. Please keep me close to You, NO MATTER what it takes. Break me dear LORD. Let the holy light of Your presence permeate and shine through my inner man. I am Your temple Jesus. Shine Your light on all darkness. I love You my LORD. In Jesus’ name.

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It’s not all Going to be Pretty [podcast]


“Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.” 2 Timothy 2:3

One of Paul’s resumes of the sufferings he endured as an apostle of Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 6:3-10

“3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:

4  But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

5  In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;

6  By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,

7  By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

8  By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;

9  As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;

10  As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.”

You are His. Cling to Him. The LORD Jesus is going to bring you through, not matter what you face (Deuteronomy 13:4).

“But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. 2  When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.” Isaiah 43:1-2

“Hated”

“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 10:22

“Ye shall Laugh”

“And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. 21  Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. 22  Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.” Luke 6:20-22

“Through  much Tribulation”

“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” Acts 14:22

Eternity with Christ, “with Joy”

“For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.” Isaiah 55:12

“To Make them White”

“And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. 33  And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. 34  Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35  And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.” Daniel 11:32-35

“Made white … the wise shall understand”

“Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” Daniel 12:10

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