Let us establish that the kingdom of God is all about KING Jesus and not the false prophets who come to rob Him of His glory (Colossians 1-2). Christianity is only cool because of CHRIST!
“But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.” Galatians 6:14
“The modern church has a problem. We’re looking for validation, not from God but from the world. The same world that crucified Jesus, you want that to love you? It’s never going to happen. Christianity is not validated nor is it discredited by its acceptance or rejection by celebrities.” Spencer Smith
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. … Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:13-14, 20
Kathryn Kuhlman – Secret Agent of Rome!
“I saw her in Oakland in 1969. This is the same year I was born again and baptized in the Holy Spirit. I was not impressed. It’s been a long time, but I didn’t recall her uplifting the name of Jesus even once. I saw a photo of her kissing the Popes ring that bothered me. When I left the service I was surprised to see so many nuns there. Agent of Rome, very likely. Did she preach the Gospel? Not that I recall. I am now 75, I was 22 back then. Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. He is a kind and loving savior. We are so fortunate that He died for our sins and that He is faithful even when we are not. I recall seeing Corrie Ten Boom talking with Kathryn Kuhlman. The look on Corrie’s face spoke volumes. It looked like she was discerning something wasn’t right with this woman. My wife of 50 years and I both had the same reaction. We were both wondering if Kathryn was going to fly away on a broom. She laughed and chuckled like the witch in the wizard of OZ. It wasn’t so much what she said as it was what she didn’t say.” Merritt Koller
What is a “faith healer”? Such a term appears no where in Scripture. In the definition of Kathryn Kuhlman, Benny Hinn, and many others today, a “faith healer” gathers large crowds for signs and wonders and in order to be famed in the eyes of men and made rich in this world. Am I missing something?
Someone might say “But Kathryn Kuhlman is dead so why are you exposing her?”
Dan Plunkett answers this question: “She needs to be exposed even though she’s dead because she was the mentor and role model for some of today’s heretical faith healers like Benny Hinn and the lesser known Billy Burke. They are carrying on her deceptive, evil legacy of fraud.”
Kathryn Kuhlman gave rise to many false prophets who perpetuate her falsehoods. That’s all the evidence we need to proceed in exposing her.
“A friend told me about her, so I listened to one of her sermons and without even knowing about this expose, I thought, ‘she is a witch.’ I guess my discernment radar is working. Had no idea she mentored Benny H. and the rest. ugh.” Mary L.
“I sensed the same thing exactly when I first watched a video of her. My spirit recoiled and I said ‘she is a witch. Satanic.’ The fruit of the Holy Spirit absent.” Delwyn R.F.
Let’s face it: Healings or supposed healings/miracles get a lot of attention because there are so many sign seekers – not Savior seekers.
“An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:” Matthew 12:39
The greatest sign of God is “the sign of Jonah” which is the salvation of God wrought by the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 5:19, 21). The greatest benefit of Christ’s salvation is men coming to repentance, receiving salvation from the Savior, the ultimate healing!
The LORD does signs and wonders and so does His arch enemy (Mark 16:15-20). Satan himself can do signs and wonders (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12). Satan uses his false prophets to do signs and wonders, just as he did when his false prophet’s rods were thrown down and turned into serpents. Aaron’s rod then swallowed them up (Exodus 7:12).
It is a rejection of Christ to support His enemies instead of obeying Him by exposing them (Matthew 12:30; 2 Corinthians 11:12-15; Philippians 3:18-19; 2 John 10-11; Jude 3-4, etc.). Hell awaits. Repent now.
Some people don’t realize that their love for their favorite wolf in sheep’s clothing far outweighs their love for God.
Yet many today are insistent to “bid Godspeed” to a false prophet they have created a soul tie with and consequently they shall be judged with the false leader they’ve condoned and defended (2 John 10-11; Ezekiel 14:1-11, etc.).
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.” 1 John 5:20-21
Read Deuteronomy 13:1-10 – Even if a prophetic word is given and it is ACCURATE, yet if that person is a false teacher…. they are to be stoned. In our day, they are to be marked – “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” (Romans 16:17-18)
Every Holy Spirit baptized believer can be used of God to lay hands on the sick and then God can choose to heal and make whole. See Mark 16:15-20, etc.
Of Kathryn Kuhlman, Brittany Green writes: “We don’t know them by their gifts, we know them by their fruit. She ran off with a married man, and still did not leave the ministry (therefore, leaving a good sum of people a bad example). Considering that Benny Hinn prides himself of talking to her ghost (necromancy, BIG occult phenomena), shows another bad indicator. As for the ‘the Holy Spirit is a person’, yes, he is, but he leads people to CHRIST, not Himself. We are Christocentric, not Numacentric. … She is on the platform to be seen. If she does not want to be seen (or exalted), why did she not go into hospitals in her spare time, on an average job that works an 8 hour day, 5 day shift (or equivalent)? Why did she not do her ‘ministry’ in anonymity, rather than celebrity: with no platform, as Jesus did?” (like so many false prophets such as mother Teresa, Kuhlman’s staged act was a fraud to mislead many as Jesus foretold Matthew 24:11)
DIVINE FILTER: All false movements and false teachers serve a divine purpose. They are allowed to snare all who don’t truly love Christ and therefore His Truth! Study 1 Corinthians 11:19; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 closely.
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15
“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.” Matthew 24:11
Of Kuhlman, Ted writes: “I always thought that there is something seriously weird about this woman (KK). she speaks like a hypnotist. though she uses ‘Christian lingo’. There is something very emotional and manipulative in the way she speaks as if to captivate without taking you anywhere but to the place of idolizing her as a spiritual giant.”
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1
FEEDBACK:
“Yes indeed I too was deceived by her. I just viewed these clips which I had watch many years past through a so called Charismatic view not knowing the truth. BUT NOW viewing her all over again you can see it was ALL about experiences NOT sola scripture NOT the preaching of the cross NOT JESUS. But mysticism about the false holy spirit, signs, wonders = false deception and seduced seduction.” Nancy Cote
COMMO
N OBJECTION:
“But Kathryn Kuhlman did miracles!”
RESPONSE:
The Bible speaks and warns us about Satan’s lying signs and wonders – “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,” 2 Thess 2:9
MESSAGE RECEIVED:
“It is a shame you believe the devil can work miracles but God can’t. I left that unbiblical mindset 35 years ago. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil…for God anointed him with the holy spirit and power. Would seem strange that he has stopped healing people if he remains the same according to scripture. And this post has nothing to do with Kuhlman. It addresses the false ideology that Satan works Miracles and God doesn’t. Better rethink this one.” Steve
REPLY:
Hi Steve. WHO said God doesn’t work miracles???? God works miracles daily, most importantly, the miracle of regeneration. Yet, the wolves Jesus so often warned us about are pretending to do miracles and deceiving the gullible, biblically-illiterate prey. “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matt 7:21-23
“KATHRYN KUHLMAN”
from “Occult ABC” by Kurt Koch
In these chaotic days, we have not only the right but the duty to test every movement by the standard of the Holy Scriptures. In particular, we must direct a Biblical test-lamp onto the paths of outstanding personalities who come up like comets on the spiritual horizon.
We have no right to judge:
“Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matthew 7:1).
“Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant?” (Romans 14:4).
“There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” (James 4:12).
But we have the duty to test:
“Prove all things, hold fast that which is good” (I Thessalonians 5:21)
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (I John 4:1).
Kathryn Ku
hlman was a healer who drew large crowds to her meetings. Millions came to her for help. Her meetings were attended by up to ten thousand at a time.
Kathryn was born in Concordia, sixty miles from Kansas City. Her mother was a Methodist, her father a Baptist. As a young girl, she went to a Baptist seminary and was ordained as a Baptist preacher. Her first church was in Franklin, Pennsylvania. One day some people in her congregation said that they had been healed while she was preaching. Kathryn was astonished. When such occurrences became more frequent, she began to preach about faith healing, without ceasing to put the main emphasis on the salvation of the soul. Before long, she moved from Franklin to the great city of Pittsburgh, where ever-increasing crowds flocked to her services. From 1946, she conducted an average of 125 healing meetings per year. She used the largest halls in the USA, and her healing meetings were attended by about one and a half million people each year. This figure is given by a doctor named William Nolen.
In addition to the meetings, she appeared on many radio and TV programs. The huge sums of money given as offerings have been used for building twenty-five churches, many schools and homes, and for social projects of many kinds.
It is a thankless, but necessary, task to subject the healing work of this woman to the test of the Scriptures. I will do so in such a way as to allow as many other observers as possible to have their say.
The background of my views is the material I collected during many lecture tours in the USA. At the time of writing, I have been there thirty-four times for tours. I have read Miss Kuhlman’s books, I have attended a four-hour healing meeting at the First Presbyterian Church in Pittsburgh; and I have had a personal conversation with her. I also have many verbal and written reports from people who attended her meetings.
At this point, I must thank most warmly my two principal informants. Mrs. H. Maynard Johnson, wife of the technical director of the Eifel Hospital in Minneapolis, collected twenty-eight cases of healing, with full addresses, from Minneapolis and the surrounding area for me. I also received an excellent, scientifically based article from Dr. H. H. Ehrenstein of Songtime Boston. Names of further assistants will appear in the course of the chapter.
First of all, I must give a brief sketch of the style of these healing meetings. After a fantastic organ prelude, Kathryn would appear on the stage dressed in a long blue or white robe. Everyone would stand up. She would say: “How glad I am to have you all here. The Holy Spirit will perform a great work among you.” The atmosphere was heightened by an introductory hymn sung by thousands of expectant people. This was followed by prayer and a short sermon. Then Kathryn would suddenly announce, “Up there in the second row of the balcony a man has just been healed of cancer. Please come down to the platform,” or “a girl in the seventeenth row has just been healed of a lung disease.” It would continue in the same way for several hours. The people who had been healed came to the platform. Kathryn would hold her hands about six inches above the head of each and pray. They then would fall backwards to the floor. Two attendants would catch them as they fell, so they would not hurt themselves. The people who had been healed would lay for ten to thirty seconds unconscious on the floor. When they stood up, they would say that they had a wonderful feeling. While I was watching, I saw even ministers falling to the floor unconscious, one of them a Catholic priest.
Kathryn would then ask those who had been healed one or two questions, different every time. For instance, she asked a woman in her fifties, “Do you believe in Jesus?” “No, I am a Buddhist.” A young man about twenty years old was asked: “Are you a Christian?” “No, I am an atheist.” “Won’t you believe in Jesus now that He has healed your wife?” Kathryn asked. A long silence passed. After much pressing on Kathryn’s part, he finally said, “I will try.”
Many people have tussled with the question of how it was that Kathryn could tell which person had been healed of which disease. Many doctors investigated this problem and came up with various answers. Was it clairvoyance or mediumistic contact?
The next question is, Did healing really take place, and did it last?
Another question relates to the spiritual aspect of these heaings. Did the people who had been healed find the way to Jesus, and if they were Christians already, was any harm done to their faith?
A sensational aspect was the way those who had been healed fell backwards. What powers were involved? Was it hypnosis? Kathryn’s friends called such people the slain of the Lord.
Let us now call some witnesses. Since I am one of them, I will first give three of my experiences.
Ex 105 At the healing meeting in Pittsburgh a woman doctor brought a woman on to the stage. The doctor gave the following report: “This woman had multiple sclerosis in an advanced stage. She used to wear two splints and was almost blind. Her abdomen was partially paralyzed. She had a permanent catheter for three years. Three months ago I went with the patient to one of Kathryn Kuhlman’s meetings. The patient was healed. Since then she has needed neither splints nor catheter. The paralysis has disappeared. She is now a nurse in the hospital in which she used to be a patient.”
There is no reason to doubt the truthfulness of this testimony. We know, of course, that the fact of healing gives us no indication of what power it was that brought it about.
Ex 106 My second example shows a spiritual situation. I met a man at the meeting who allowed me to ask him some questions. He was very willing to answer them. “Have you experienced healing?” “Yes, thirteen years ago I was healed at Kathryn’s meeting.” “Do you belong to Jesus? Do you pray and read the Bible?” “Yes, I follow Jesus and know Him as my Lord and Savior.” “Has your healing lasted?” “Yes, for thirteen years.” This is another testimony that I cannot simply dismiss.
Ex 107 A third experience made me begin to have doubts. It was during a personal interview with Kathryn. She suddenly began to pray with me. She held her hands about six inches above my head. At once I began to pray in my heart, “Lord Jesus, if this woman gets her power from You, then bless both her and me. If she has gifts and power which do not come from You, protect me from them. I do not want to come under an alien influence.” While Kathryn was praying, two ushers came and stood behind me to catch me as I fell. I felt nothing, however, and stood like a rock without losing my consciousness in the least. Then came a second surprise. Kathryn nudged me gently, probably in order to make me fall. She did not succeed. Then she asked me, “Do you have a healing ministry yourself?” I answered, “In my pastoral counseling it has happened occasionally, but that is not my calling: my task is to preach the Gospel and bring people to salvation.”
Since this experience, I have for years kept my eyes and ears open to try to discover the truth behind these enormous healing demonstrations.
There is a problem about the experience of the man who was healed thirteen years ago and yet has suffered no ill effects in his spiritual life. On the assumption that Kathryn did not heal by divine power, as thousands of people believe, would it be possible for a person who had been healed in such a way to suffer no spiritual harm? I have enough examples front counseling people in similar situations to be able to say yes.
Ex 108 A German architect told me that he had found the way to Jesus through the preaching of a minister who was a drunkard. The minister was often drunk, but when he was sober, his preaching was sound. God can bring people to new life even by means of unworthy witnesses.
Ex 109 I have heard of several believers who have found the way of salvation through the ministry of a charlatan who taught unscriptural doctrines. I shall not mention this man by name, although he has done much harm.
The next witness we must call is Mrs. H. Maynard Johnson, whom I mentioned above, the lady front Minneapolis who has provided me with so much useful material. The reports she sent to me are of great evidential value, since they describe the situation one year after the healing took place. I will begin with Mrs. Johnson’s own experience, in her own words, but shortened.
Ex 110 “My husband, daughter, and I went to see and hear Miss Kuhlman and pray that I might be healed of what my doctor had just told me could be the first stages of rheumatoid arthritis. I had been having pains in my joints, especially in my fingers and wrists. I have been forced to give up my hobbies of sewing and organ playing. Writing had become painful also. During Miss Kuhlman’s healing service, she spoke from the stage saying that someone seated in our section was receiving a healing of arthritis. My arms went up over my head, and I began wiggling all my fingers and there was no pain. One of her helpers stopped at our row and told me to come with her to the front. As I approached Miss Kuhlman, she asked what I had been healed of; then she lightly touched my forehead with her finger tips, as she called out to God to remove the arthritis from my body. At that instant I was slain in the Spirit. I felt completely separated from my surroundings, as a beautiful peace went all through me. As we left the auditorium that day, I told my family, “If the physical healing wasn’t meant to last, I know my spiritual healing will never leave me.” A year later I can still make that statement: the physical healing has lasted, too. The day after the service, I was scheduled to go to the clinic to have extensive blood work done. My blood tests showed that I was not only normal, but better than normal. I have witnessed to many people regarding this marvelous healing of my body and spirit. My whole life direction has changed since this happened to me. My prayer life took on new meaning. My hunger for the Word has greatly increased. I continue to spread the word as to how great it is when we let God take complete control.”
Because I am very grateful to Mrs. Johnson for the twenty-eight case histories she has so carefully reported for me, I might be tempted to keep my own views to myself. But this case also raises a number of questions.
1. In cases of arthritis, the psyche and psychosomatic connections often play a part. Healings from arthritis head the list of all healings by suggestion.
2. I cannot accept this phenomenon of being slain in the Spirit as a work of the Holy Spirit. When people fall to the ground in the course of a spiritual revival, in repentance and sorrow for sin, weeping over their sins and asking for God for forgiveness, it is quite a different matter.
3. What are we to make of Mrs. Johnson’s reference to a spiritual healing which would still be there even if the physical healing should disappear? The expression spiritual healing is used by many spiritist healers. The only kind of spiritual healing the Bible knows is the process of conversion and regeneration. Mrs. Johnson was already a believing Christian when she went to the meeting. There is no such thing as a second rebirth. This so-called spiritual healing does not make sense and could be compared with what is known in extreme circles as the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Lack of space unfortunately forbids me to discuss all twenty-eight healings in detail, interesting as that would be. I will here record the general conclusion.
One year after meeting with Kathryn, the state of all twenty-eight people said by her to have been healed was as follows: Ten had not been healed, seven had experienced an improvement in their condition, eleven had diseases in which the mind can play an important part. In the whole of this extensive report, there is not one clear case of healing from an organic disease. So for all the trouble taken by Mrs. Johnson, for which I thank her again, nothing has been proved.
A further witness is a woman who worked for two years as secretary to Kathryn Kuhlman. She followed me and caught up with me at the airport of a great American city. In a conversation, she told me that for two years she had recorded the addresses of those who had been healed, and had later made inquiries as to their condition. Seventy-five percent of those on the register had remained well.
What value can we place on these figures?
1. In the first place, it is her job as secretary to represent her employer. Does this not prejudice objectivity?
2. Her journey after me was quite clearly undertaken with the object of conveying a good impression of the healings.
3. It is obvious that this woman does not possess the necessary knowledge of medicine and psychology to enable her to assess the nature of the healings.
4. Healing is a field in which it is hard to get a clear, overall view. It may occur as a result of suggestion, hypnosis, mediumistic, or occult powers, but it can also have a sound medical or Biblical basis.
This assessment of the figures she gave me is not an attack on the integrity of the lady in question. I formed a very good impression of her as I did of Mrs. Johnson.
In the spring of 1974, there was a “charismatic” congress in Jerusalem under the title of “The Holy Spirit”. Kathryn Kuhlman took part. Six months after this world conference of Pentecostal churches, I received a letter from a lady working with the Finnish Missionary Society in Jerusalem. It was about Kathryn Kuhlman.
Ex 111
Jerusalem Sept. 17, 1974
Dear Dr. Koch,
“I write because I don’t know anybody else who could answer my questions.
“I have read Kathryn Kuhlman’s book, God Can Do It Again and was positively impressed. When K. K. came to Jerusalem last spring ( 1974), I went to her miracle service with great expectation. At the first meeting I felt happy, but afterwards I started to doubt.
“1. How could she know when a person was healed?
“2. With whose power was the healing done?
“3. Why did the healed people fall on the floor, when she prayed for them?
“I went to a second meeting and tried to pray the whole time, but also to watch carefully. After the healing service, K. K. left the platform, and went through the crowd standing in the big hall. Suddenly I felt an oppression and a fear that she should touch me. I closed my eyes, lifted my arms and prayed in Jesus’ name that God would help me. When K. K. passed in the place where I stood, she gripped my right arm very strongly for a moment. Nothing happened. After a while, I felt strong power, like electricity, above me, I felt like I was going to die. My arms were paralyzed and I couldn’t take them down immediately. Since then I have felt a big difficulty to believe that her power is from God. I have just finished K. K.’s second book, “I Believe in Miracles”. It seems to me very good and I can not understand why she gave me another impression.
“I can’t get rid of my doubts alone, and they have not ceased to disturb me spiritually.
“If you understand this and could answer me in spite of your huge burden of work, I would be extremely thankful.”
This Finnish missionary is not alone in her experience. Others, myself included, have noticed the difference between the books and the person. Often people have told me that, by praying continuously through a meeting, they have become aware of an unscriptural atmosphere. It is possible even then for subjective elements to become mixed with objective assessment.
Vim Malgo goes into the question of the “World Congress on the Holy Spirit” in Jerusalem. Four unscriptural points come out in this report.
1. The Holy Spirit was the central theme. The Holy Spirit does not allow himself to be given a central place; the Holy Spirit makes Jesus central (John 16:13).
2. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is identical with regeneration. A child of God is filled (Ephesians 5:18) ever more deeply with the Holy Spirit, according to his faithful obedience.
3. The Holy Spirit does not allow himself to be the main person. Jesus says in John 16:14, “He will glorify me.”
4. Finally, it was an ecumenical congress at which all shades of opinion were represented .
Vim Malgo’s conclusion is that it was not the Holy Spirit who was at work, but other spirits. The so-called baptism of the Spirit is usually a baptism with spirits.
Malgo says: “The spirits find one another.” In English we have the saying, “Birds of a feather flock together.” It is therefore characteristic that Kathryn Kuhlman was one of the main speakers and drew the largest number of hearers. This point has troubled me more and more over the years: Kathryn accepted invitations from wild extremists and stood on the same platform with them.
There is a long report about Kathryn Kuhlman’s appearances in Vancouver and Seattle. Lack of space again compels me to mention only the main points. This observer writes, “Kathryn Kuhlman calls herself an instrument of the Lord. In reality, she is a medium of the lord of this world. A person cannot receive a second birth from the Holy Spirit when someone touches his face and says a few words to him. I believe in the charismata gifts of the Spirit. But what Kathryn Kuhlman displays is not a gift of the Holy Spirit of God, but a gift of the spirits who rule in the air. These spirits make use of her, herself deceived and deceiving others … She is a medium of Satan.”
Another who writes in similar vein is a well-known professor of theology at the University of Tubingen who has the reputation among believers of being a born-again Christian. This professor wrote to me, “Kathryn Kuhlman is a spiritist. Twenty years ago you would have said so yourself.”
Certainly I would never make such a harsh judgment without careful investigation. We must think and speak well of a person, as long as he has not shown himself to be evil.
The most scientific assessment is the report Dr. Ebrenstein of the USA has sent me. The article, which appeared in a Christian magazine, is entitled “In Search of a Miracle.” It is written by a doctor and surgeon from Minneapolis, Dr. Nolen, who also has a good name as a Christian.
Dr. Nolen had the addresses and telephone numbers of eighty-two people in Minneapolis sent to him. These people had been to the Kuhlman meeting and had been said to be healed. Some of them were sufferers from cancer, multiple sclerosis, and other diseases. Dr. Nolen followed up those who had been healed in order to get an accurate picture of the whole story.
Ex 112 Before the beginning of a meeting, the doctor was standing near the elevator in which about 100 patients in wheelchairs were being taken up in turns. Among them was a man without a wheelchair who was limping very badly. The doctor asked him, “You find it painful to walk?”
“Yes, I had an operation two years ago. But it did not heal. So now I am hoping that Kathryn Kuhlman will heal me.”
“Shall I get you a wheelchair?”
“Yes, that would be nice of you.”
The doctor brought the lame man a wheelchair, in which he was taken into the auditorium. During the meeting Kathryn called out into the hall, “There’s a man here with cancer in his hip. You’re cured. Your pain is gone. Come down and claim your cure.”
The man in the wheelchair was embarrassed at the idea of being pushed forward to the platform in a wheelchair. So he stood up and walked slowly down the aisle. Behind him came one of the ushers, pushing his wheelchair. The doctor watched carefully. It was the man for whom he had borrowed the chair. When he reached the stage, Kathryn Kuhlman asked him,
“Whose wheelchair is that? Not yours surely?”
“Yes, it is,” said the man. He did not want to give a long explanation. . Kathryn continued,
“You’ve had cancer in the hip and now your pain is gone. Is that right?”
“Yes,” he answered.
“Bend over so everyone can see.” He bent over. “Walk around.” He walked around. “Isn’t the Holy Spirit wonderful?” she cried. A sound Of rejoicing went round the hall.
Afterward, the doctor inquired of this man. Nothing had changed in his condition. But in Christian circles, the news was spread everywhere that a man in a wheelchair had been healed.
Ex 113 Another case, that Dr. Nolen followed up, was that of a woman who was said to have been cured of lung cancer. In his own words, “When I contacted her, Leona told me that she had not had lung cancer at all. ‘I have Hodgkin’s disease,’ she said, land some of the glands in my chest are involved. But since no one else got up when Miss Kuhlman said that someone with lung cancer is being cured, I figured it had to be me. I’ve been back to my doctor and he says he can’t see any change in my x-ray. I think I breathe better, but it’s hard to tell, since I never had much trouble breathing anyway.’ ”
Dr. Nolen also obtained from Kathryn Kuhlman a list of eight people who were alleged to have been cured of cancer. Again the result of his investigations was completely negative.
Dr. Nolen comments,
The more I learned of the results of Kathryn Kuhlman’s miracle service, the more doubtful I became that any good she was doing could possibly outweigh the misery she was causing … I don’t believe she is a liar or a charlatan or that she is, consciously, dishonest … I think she sincerely believes that the thousands of sick people who come to her services and claim cures are, through her ministrations, being cured of organic diseases … The problem is – and I’m sorry this has to be so blunt – one of ignorance. Miss Kuhlman doesn’t know the difference between psychogenic and organic diseases. Though she uses hypnotic techniques, she doesn’t know anything about hypnotism and the power of suggestion. She doesn’t know anything about the autonomic nervous system. Or, if she does know something about these things, she has certainly learned to hide her knowledge.
Dr. Nolen’s report, which I have reproduced here in a shortened form, does not answer all the questions raised by these strange healings. In particular, he does not deal with the falling backwards of the patients or he simply calls it hypnosis. Such an explanation is inadequate. Doctors, ministers, and strong-willed people cannot be laid out on the floor, as if they had been knocked out by hypnosis. Here other powers are involved. Again, the sometimes accurate indication of the place where the patients are sitting and of the nature of their diseases sounds remarkably like psychic contact.
It will be held against me that at first I spoke favorably of her. I have already answered this objection. We ought to maintain a positive judgment about a person until he has given proof to the contrary. During the four years since that first meeting, I have received a great deal of material. This has resulted in a different impression from the one which I formed at first.
In any case, Kathryn Kuhlman stands or falls before her Lord. Jesus has the last word about her and her work, and not we shortsighted men. We have the duty to test her work and to keep the Church of Christ informed. Let us take care that our work is able to stand in the eyes of the Lord. When King David saw his own guilt in the light of God, he sighed: “For mine iniquities are gone over my head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me” (Psalms 38:4). When we recognize our own guilt, the desire to cast stones goes away. Nevertheless, we are not spared the necessary duty of acting as signposts to the Church of Christ, even when this means great heartache.
And it should be obvious from this chapter that it gives me no joy to have to write about Kathryn Kuhlman. We might add this biographical note: Kathryn Kuhlman died on February 20, 1976.
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So many today tell you exactly who they are when they quote absolute frauds like John Calvin, Mother Teresa, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Kathryn Kuhlman, Rick Warren, John MacArthur, Paul Washer, James R. White, Todd White, etc. The list is endless of false prophets who are still heralded by heretical pawns who are part of the “conspiracy” of false prophets who are against the LORD (Ezekiel 22:25-27).
Apostasy
“The Certainty of the Words of Truth” [podcast]
Nicholas, the Apostate Deceiver
Historians say that Nicholas (Acts 6:5), a deacon in the first century church, backslid, and led his followers to believe that living in sin would not affect one’s relationship with Christ. The term Nicolaitans is said to come from those who followed Nicholas. Nico-laitans is a compound Greek word. Nico means “to conquer,” and laitans means “the laity.” Satan used Nicholas to conquer his followers through the lie of lawlessness. The evil spirit of Nicholas lives on today through many lawless leaders who operate in the church world in this late hour.
Nicholas taught free love. He and his followers taught that the deeds of believers could not affect their relationship with God. This is antinomianism, which means lawlessness. The Bible clearly refutes such a lie as we will witness in our walk through the Holy Scriptures.
“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” 2 Timothy 2:19
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” Titus 1:16
The Bible states here, that those who “profess that they know God” and yet “deny him…in works,” are “abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.”
By this lie of lawlessness, the enemy of souls conquered the people.
“But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans (means “conquer the laity”), which I also hate…So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.” Revelation 2:6, 15
Here is some modern terminology for this age-old doctrine:
- Once Saved, Always Saved
- Eternal security (unconditional)
- Calvinism, perseverance of the saints doctrine
In Revelation 2, Jesus Christ tells us that He “hates” two things — “the deeds” and “doctrine of the Nicolaitans.” The Son of God despises the doctrine that teaches that the deeds of men have no effect upon their relationship with Him.
The Scriptures continuously reveal the divine hatred for the acceptance, and even doctrinal authorization, for living in the sins which the LORD tells us violate His holiness, reveal a wicked heart, and will prevent one from entering into the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21; Revelation 21:8, 27).
The word “lasciviousness” appears six times in the Bible and means “lack of restraint (from sinning); license for sin; licentiousness.”
To underscore the utter, divine hatred against this lie of lawlessness, it should be noted that this is the only place in Scripture where Jesus Christ, Himself, states that He hates something.
Though they may vary in packaging, these are all kin to the same lawless “ye shall not surely die” lie, which is the lie of the ages.
“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” Deuteronomy 4:2
“For ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God.” Jeremiah 23:36b
“Thus saith the Lord; Stand in the court of the Lord’s house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the Lord’s house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word.” Jeremiah 26:2
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19
“Hath God said” ?
Always remember that whenever you have someone casting doubt on God’s Word, words, you are dealing with a person who is under Satan’s control, is a rejecter of the LORD, and therefore His truth, and is a child of the devil. Every time.
Notice what we see Satan doing in the Garden of Eden just before he changed, altered, added one word to God’s words:
“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” Genesis 3:1
Then, in verse 4 we read how Satan added just one three-letter word which changed the meaning of what God said and changed world history.
“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:” Genesis 3:4
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” Genesis 2:17
“Thou shalt surely die” from God was then changed by Satan to “Ye shall NOT surely die.”
This is the first time we see what’s known as the “eternal security” lie. It’s also known as “once saved always saved” or “perseverance of the saints” heresy. Any person teaching or believeing this lie has partnered with Satan himself.
Knowing “the certainty of the words of truth”
“Bow down thine ear, and hear the words of the wise, and apply thine heart unto my knowledge.
18 For it is a pleasant thing if thou keep them within thee; they shall withal be fitted in thy lips.
19 That thy trust may be in the Lord, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee.
20 Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge,
21 that I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee? Proverbs 22:17-21
“that I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth” – and how can we “know the certainty of the words of truth” if we aren’t even reading them – if we are not reading the preserved Word of God but rather a cheap counterfeit?
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Apostasy
8 Classes of Sinners Guaranteed to Spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire [podcast]
8 Classes of Sinners Guaranteed to Spend Eternity in Hell
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
“The second death”
[which is the second death] The second death is the lake of fire, or the second separation from God in hell (Rev_2:11; Rev_20:14; Rev_21:8).
Of Revelation 21:8, Adam Clarke writes the following:
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful – Δειλοις· Those who, for fear of losing life or their property, either refused to receive the Christian religion, though convinced of its truth and importance; or, having received it, in times of persecution fell away, not being willing to risk their lives.
And unbelieving – Those who resist against full evidence. And sinners, και ἁμαρτωλοις, is added here by about thirty excellent MSS., and is found in the Syrian, Arabic, some of the Slavonic, and in Andreas and Arethas. On this evidence Griesbach has admitted it into the text.
The abominable – Εβδελυγμενοις· Those who are polluted with unnatural lust. (sodomites, lesbians Romans 1)
And murderers – Φονευσι· Those who take away the life of man for any cause but the murder of another, and those who hate a brother in their heart (.
And whoremongers – Πορνοις· Adulterers, fornicators, whores, prostitutes, and rakes of every description.
Sorcerers – Φαρμακοις· Persons who, by drugs, philtres, fumigations, etc., pretend to produce supernatural effects, chiefly by spiritual agency.
Idolaters – Ειδωλολατραις· Those who offer any kind of worship or religious reverence to any thing but God. All image worshippers are idolaters in every sense of the word.
And all liars – Και πασι τοις ψευδεσι· Every one who speaks contrary to the truth when he knows the truth, and even he who speaks the truth with the intention to deceive; i.e., to persuade a person that a thing is different from what it really is, by telling only a part of the truth, or suppressing some circumstance which would have led the hearer to a different end to the true conclusion. All these shall have their portion, το μερος, their share, what belongs to them, their right, in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. This is the second death, from which there is no recovery.
“21:8 But not all are overcomers. Some are cowardly, afraid to confess Christ; unbelieving, unwilling to trust the sinner’s Savior; sinners, all those who remain in their sins, whether guilty of the gross iniquities listed here or not; abominable, given over to disgusting immorality; murderers, malicious and savage killers; sexually immoral, practicing fornication and other forms of sexual sins; sorcerers, those who traffic with evil spirits; idolaters, insulting God by worshiping images; and all liars, compulsive deceivers. These will be assigned to the lake of fire as their final destiny.” Believer’s Bible Commentary
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. … 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:10, 14-15
One source notes the following:
“Brimstone and fire” refers to the fiery imagery of divine judgment and eternal punishment found in the Bible. It symbolizes God’s wrath, often describing the fate of sinners in hell, and is a phrase used in religious sermons and literature. “Brimstone,” an old word for sulfur, is a key component of this imagery, evoking a smell and heat associated with inescapable, fiery destruction.
Biblical origins
Old Testament:
The phrase originates in the King James translation of the Old Testament, used to describe God’s destruction of enemies. A key example is the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
New Testament:
The imagery is used to describe eternal damnation, a common theme in both the Old and New Testaments. In the book of Revelation, for example, it describes those who worship the beast being tormented in a lake of fire and brimstone.
Etymology:
The phrase is a calque of the Biblical Hebrew and Ancient Greek words for “sulfur and fire”.
Geological evidence:
Archaeological and geological evidence of sulfur deposits and charred formations in areas like the Dead Sea region have been noted as consistent with biblical descriptions of fire and sulfur-related events.”
“But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:12
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The Purpose of Elders in Christ’s Body [podcast]
There is no more important work transpiring in the earth today than the work of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Matthew 9:35-38; 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:11-15; 1 Peter 5:1-6, etc.).
“Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.” Hebrews 13:20-21
In short, the authentic under-shepherd ordained of Jesus Himself (John 15:16), will give up his life in this fleeting world for the sheep of Christ – just as the Great Shepherd of the sheep did on the cross. Such a divinely called-out man, will teach only God’s pure Word and watch for the souls of the LORD’s people (Hebrews 13:7, 17). He will take up the cross – live the crucified life – and therefore ministry will not be about them but rather about Jesus and His beloved sheep for whom He shed His blood and is soon returning (Philippians 3:17-21).
Also in Hebrews 13 …. The true elder of Christ will, according to Hebrews 13, do two things:
- Speak the pure Word of God to you and get you into it:
“Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation (their way of life).” Hebrews 13:7
2. Will in the fear of God pray for and “watch for your soul.”
“Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.” Hebrews 13:17
In review, just WHAT are the earmark fruits of true under-shepherds as opposed to the many wolves among us?
- True under shepherds relentlessly teach God’s Word – “who have spoken unto you the word of God.” (Hebrews 13:7)
- They are there for you! – “they watch for your souls.” (Hebrews 13:7)
IF they aren’t preaching God’s pure Word to you, fearing God, not you…. and watching for your eternal soul, they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Repent and run to Jesus beloved.
Let me add that if they are using a fake “bible” instead of the King James Bible, that should be a clue to the darkness they walk in (Matthew 7:16, 20).
Elders are ordained of God and yet never to take His place nor to negate our own personal responsibility to seek God daily for ourselves. Yet, we do not need a preacher. Why? – because we each have a Bible. Read it. We don’t need a preacher to tell us what the Bible says! Read it for yourself, learning of the LORD yourself. Today is your day to take personal responsibility to seek God for yourself! Stop depending on a preacher or preachers. Devour God’s Word daily. Jesus taught personal responsibility and the essential nature of it when He said “Take heed to yourselves” (Luke 21:34-36) …… Paul instructed Timothy to “Study” the Word (2 Timothy 2:15).
Today we have all around us church-goers who are not possessed with a heart after God, do not diligently study and read and live out Christ’s Word. This lukewarm, world-loving fruit clearly reveals the prophesied priesthood of wolves (1 Chronicles 16:11; Psalms 27:4, 8; Matthew 24:11; Acts 13:22; 2 Timothy 3:13; 1 John 4:1, etc.). Until a pastor has provoke you to get into God’s Word for yourself, to seeking His holy face daily in prayer, he has failed. If has has diligently, biblically sought to do these essentials, and people have refused God’s Word, refused to seek His holy face continually, the blood is off of his hands (Ezekiel 3:18-20).
“When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.” Ezekiel 3:18-20
When you check the fruit of a fellowship, check, discern if the individual saints are vibrant in Christ, diligently seeking His holy face, in His Word, living a life of prayer, denying self, taking up the cross daily, and following Jesus. This sounds like what we see of the earliest saints in the book of Acts, right? Boom. Remember how Peter preached and 8,000 were saved and how the Berean believers put Paul’s teaching to the Scriptural test? (Acts 2-4; 17:10-11, etc.).
Sadly, usually you see a bunch of people who are proud to be a member of a church with none of the biblical fruit list above.
The apostle Paul kept a close watch on those he oversaw.
“For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.” 1 Thessalonians 3:5
Having a physical “church” building makes no mere man, no supposed elder, an official representative of Heaven. Feeding the sheep of Christ with His pure Word and equipping them “for the work of the ministry” is the mark of a true under-shepherd of Christ (John 21:15-17; Ephesians 4:11-12, etc.). Discern. Beware. Inspect the fruit. Jesus nor any of His holy apostles collected a penny to build a building called “church.” No, they went to the people – to serve them instead of having the people come to them.
Let’s test that…. How many people do you personally know who are good church members, Sunday morning church attenders, and ALSO true, daily disciples whom God is using everywhere they go? Think about that…. How many true disciples of Jesus do you know who are involved in a Sunday morning church program? If you personally know even one true disciple, that’s a miracle and in spite of his attendance at the Sunday morning circus called “church.”
Unlike Christ’s apostle Paul, most in leadership today foster in their prey a dependence on THEM and their church business instead of prayerfully, biblically exhorting people to depend on Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:29-2:5).
Like Christ’s apostle Paul, the true elder labors relentlessly to see you grounded in Christ – not in him or his ministry or church, but in CHRIST! Listen closely:
“As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.” Colossians 2:6-7
It simply doesn’t matter what else he’s doing, if any minister is not prayerfully, biblically, perpetually rooting and grounding you in Christ, he’s a fraud. Run.
Like Jesus and His holy apostle Paul, part of grounding you ever more deeper in Christ, is warning you to “beware” of the “many false prophets.” (Matthew 24:11)
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:” Colossians 2:8-10
SO, he’s not exhorting and admonishing you to seek and know the LORD in an ever deepening fashion? He’s not equipping, maturing you “for the work of the ministry” and yet you still consider him one of the LORD’s under-shepherds? He’s not getting YOU into the Word (2 Timothy 2:15) for yourself? That’s a false leader who is entertaining the goats instead of feeding and equipping the saints! Run! (See Ephesians 4:11-15; 1 Peter 5:1-6, etc.)
False leaders divert the attention, the heart affections, the resources, and the energy of God’s people away from Christ and simple obedience to His Great Commission mandate. YOU are personally responsible! Waste is rampant! If you support, “bid God speed” (2 John 7-11) to a false leader, false ministry, then you will perish with them!
The divine purpose for elders is not to dominate nor entertain the LORD’s sheep but rather to help their joy in Christ! Get to know this verse saints:
“Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.” 2 Corinthians 1:24
There is the citing of elders in the Word and their divine purpose – to humbly serve God by helping His sheep grow in the knowledge and grace of Christ (Ephesians 4:11-15; 1 Peter 5:1-6).
Christ’s apostle Paul desired the “perfection” (maturity in Christ) of the people of God (Ephesians 4:11-15).
“For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.” 2 Corinthians 13:9
Like Apollos, Elders among God’s people must remain teachable to God’s Word and simply and only teach and preach his word (Proverbs 9:9; Acts 18:26). Elders true to the LORD act on his behalf and never out of a personal agenda for self gain (2 Corinthians 3:5; 4:5, etc.). They live the crucified life (Galatians 2:20).
We are to humble ourselves like Apollos did and learn the way of our God more perfectly from each other, via God’s Word – as Apollos learned it more fully from Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:24-28).
Beloved Apollos was a very effective, anointed communicator of God’s Word and yet, was in need of maturing, of being perfected. So, God sent to him an elder and his wife, Aquila and Priscilla. Apollos humbly received the LORD’s elders and His grace to grow in Christ:
“And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. 26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.” Acts 18:24-26
The vast majority of “churches” that meet in “church buildings” are simply and merely conducting “church services” where they entertain their prey. They are not equipping the saints for the work of the ministry and therefore discerned as being counterfeit (Ephesians 4:11-13). If they were, there would be salty disciples in their midst who go forth to minister Christ’s kingdom blessings wherever they go. Not even a trace of this transpiring in the apostate modern church world. Run. Run. Run.
The Purpose of Kingdom Elders:
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting (equipping, maturing) of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:” Ephesians 4:11-12
Philip Lye writes: “Paul says in Ephesians 4, that he gave some to be apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. He expressly says these people are given to mature the saints, to equip them for their ministry and growth in Jesus Christ. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 that many false prophets and messiahs will arise deceiving many. They are simply functions that God has given and not titles which the proud use to strut about like a peacock. Most of these people that I have met (and I have seen a lot of famous ones) are false, proud and arrogant and not servants of the the Lord Jesus Christ. I have seen humble genuine ones who move mightily in truth, calling people to repentance and right relationship with Jesus and a demonstration of genuine miracles and wonders. They are to be genuine servants to God’s people.”
VIEW this following verse from Solomon’s day in light of our calling and work till Christ returns:
“Now all the work of Solomon was prepared unto the day of the foundation of the house of the LORD, and until it was finished. So the house of the LORD was perfected.” 2 Chronicles 8:16
Let’s read a larger portion of this important passage in Ephesians 4. God fearing under-shepherds must prayerfully labor for and be intent upon seeing God’s people grow in the grace of Christ to the full stature of maturity He has ordained!
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:” Ephesians 4:11-15
The Error of Using Titles in the Modern Church World
God sovereignly and exclusively ordained MEN to feed, lead, and equip His saints (Ephesians 4:8-11). Women are called to and seen doing many ministry functions in the New Testament but never as a leader in a position specifically designated in Scripture for men.
Repent. The American “church” is a catastrophe of spineless moral-coward Ahabs who’ve allowed, suffered women to lead, and the fall out is incalculable (Revelation 2:20-24).
GOD’s men must never allow women to lead where they (men) are called to lead (1 Timothy 2:12; 3:2; Revelation 2:20-24).
To put yourself under the ministry of a woman who is acting as an elder among God’s people, is to defy Christ, and to agree with Christ’s arch enemy and his Jezebels and to bring severe destruction on the people of God (1 Timothy 2:12; 3:2; Revelation 2:20-24).
JUST because a woman can run her mouth and even genuinely have a gift of the Spirit DOES NOT mean she’s an elder in the body of Christ – which is divinely reserved non-negotiably for men, male elders (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 3:2). | Beware of Scripture-Twisting Jezebels
We must humbly confess before our LORD and God that we have nothing and are nothing without Him!
“I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.” John 15:5
God can use us in spite of having a seminary or Bible college background…. If we will truly denounce it, lay it all down, and truly submit to Him – just like Paul did (Philippians 3). Otherwise we will join the epidemic of false prophets who build their own kingdoms in this fleeting life and spend eternity in hell (2 Peter 2:1-3). Paul counted his “higher education” as “dung” to know and serve Christ (Philippians 3).
BIBLICALLY SPEAKING, BY DEFINITION, ELDERS ARE NOT SEMINARIANS (UNLESS THEY’VE DENOUNCED SUCH) BUT RATHER PROVEN MEN OF GOD WHO HAVE WALKED WITH CHRIST FOR SOME TIME AND ARE SEASONED IN DOCTRINE AND GODLY CHARACTER AND ABLE TO HELP ASSIST OTHER BELIEVERS GROW IN GRACE (Philippians 3).
In part, we can be transformed in our thinking/perspective of what leaders are seen to be in the apostate modern church vs the biblical definition of an elder which is a humble servant with sound doctrine and a godly life (1 Timothy 3; 2 Timothy 3:10; Titus 1-2, etc.).
Christ’s kingdom ordination is not like the ordinations of many denominations….. To ordain seems to mean to recognize the work of GOD in a man’s life and to set him forth into ministry as by the leading of the Spirit of God.
“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” John 15:16
ORDAIN
G5087
τίθημι
tithēmi
tith’-ay-mee
A prolonged form of a primary word θέω theō (which is used only as an alternate in certain tenses); to place (in the widest application, literally and figuratively; properly in a passive or horizontal posture, and thus different from G2476, which properly denotes an upright and active position, while G2749 is properly reflexive and utterly prostrate): – + advise, appoint, bow, commit, conceive, give, X kneel down, lay (aside, down, up), make, ordain, purpose, put, set (forth), settle, sink down.
Total KJV occurrences: 96
“Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.” Acts 13:1-3
Denominations of mere men set their elders forth to do THEIR bidding, to perpetuate their own cause and existence, to build their false church businesse$. God fearing assemblies of the saints simply recognize Christ’s work in a man and prayerfully send him forth to do GOD’s work. They worship and exalt Christ whole heartedly!
MINISTRY is about feeding sheep, not entertaining goats (John 21:15-17). So, when you see a “minister” entertaining, you know he himself is a goat (1 Corinthians 1:29-2:5).
What True Elders Teach
“For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.” 2 Corinthians 4:5
THERE is nothing good in us except Christ. We are not featured but JESUS is. “We preach CHRIST crucified” (1 Cor 1:23). All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags and HE is the One and only righteous Redeemer whom we communicate to others (1 Cor 9:16; Rom 7:18 etc.).
Jesus’ true disciples are crucified vessels who preach with His authority, unlike the lame leaders we have today (Matthew 7:28-29). True Gospel preaching rocks the world of those who hear it – it never coddles people in their sin. That’s the work of wolves! Beware!
Godly Elders Teach God’s People to Discern
“And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.” Ezekiel 44:23
Why don’t some leaders teach discernment?
“Anyone that profits off of you being blind, will never teach you or inspire you to see.” unknown
Any man in leadership who doesn’t warn you of false prophets as did Christ and His apostles, is a wolf who does not want you to see who he truly is.
God’s people are to continue to learn to discern – to test, to weigh all things against Holy Scripture. Ungodly elders have the “I said it so it’s true” notion. Or the “We’ve always taught that” or “That’s what we believe” philosophy. Not. What saith the Scriptures is what every true follower of Jesus asks, as he searches God’s Word to ascertain truth. Every student of Christ should become extremely familiar with Acts 17:10-11.
QUESTION RECEIVED:
“I am curious as to how one man is considered the other’s elder? Do they attend the same church gathering thus, he is a church elder or is it through willful submission of the younger as an understudy or simply due to the fact that one man is older?”
REPLY:
Great question brother. Elder, biblically seems to mean older and more seasoned in God’s Word, having walked with the LORD longer. Two views come to mind: 1. The organic body of Christ, the kingdom relationships we have, where there appear men in our lives who are seasoned and there’s an automatic elder/young relationship (that’s how it is here)… and 2. Where a person attends a church group and they have their elder in a more organized fashion as you mentioned…. that help?
Nothing brings definition to this like God’s Word as you know…. and notice how it begins with “The elders which are AMONG you”….
“The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:” 1 Peter 5:1-6
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Daniel
May 20, 2023 at 3:24 am
All women Pastors and women who teach and preach to men in Church are false and apostate. 1 Timothy 2:11-15 / 1 Corinthians 4:17.
Todd
May 20, 2023 at 5:19 pm
Definitely brother Daniel. 1 Timothy 2:12
Lorie P.
August 17, 2023 at 6:26 pm
Kathryn always made me feel uneasy .She was also a mentor of the young Pastor R. Brant Baker who had a church in Long Beach ,CA. called Shekinah Fellowship. He died of AIDS at a rather young age . Homosexual like Lonnie Frisbe from Calvary Chapel movement. I was a teenager back in those days and remember watching K.K. on TV.
I was going to a Pentecostal church and once was in a “Prayer Line”. The Pastor would go up and down the line and pronounce what illness the person had and say they were healed . I listened and each person he stopped at ,he was very specific about their issue. I started praying in my Mind ” Lord, if this is from you , then I accept this healing . If not ,protect me and help me to know if this is fake or not .” The Pastor finally got to me , and “Started Laughing out loud and said ” Don’t worry ” !! And moved on to the next person. Why was he so specific to all the others and not me ? I was having High blood pressure issues at the time . I felt strongly that it wasn’t from the Lord and left not long after.
Todd
August 17, 2023 at 6:41 pm
Agree. Thank you sister.
Pilot
November 28, 2023 at 3:13 pm
You are all acting like you don’t understand the gravity of your sins just now you just open your mouth and accuse different pastors (faith healer’s you say) maybe because of your past or whatever why don’t you first die and ask God when you meet Him, why do you have to be the one to Judge, for you Judging that makes you self-righteous (just like the pharisees accusing Jesus) don’t be a religious begot
Todd
November 28, 2023 at 4:18 pm
Hello. Interestingly, you used not even one Scripture or even a Scripture reference. What does that reveal? That clearly shows that you are not a man of God’s Word but rather making up things as you go, kind of like a self-serving, self styled religious rebel who is not submitted to Christ (John 8:31-32; 47); 2 timothy 2:15; 3:16-17). So you are accusing us of being judgmental while you are simulaneously judging us? Sounds like satan, via these very false prophets, has indoctrinated and taught you well. If exposing satan’s agents among us, his wolves in sheep’s clothing is sinful then you’ve just accused Jesus and His holy apostles and prophets of being sinful for doing so. You have a convoluted disposition presently and yet if you will take your own medicine and repent, and get into God’s Word, He will open your presently blinded eyes. You will begin noticing how many verses of truth, now many passages, how many Bible chapters the false prophets you’ve followed have conviently stayed for away from. Read Matthew 23, Jeremiah 23, and Ezekiel 34. There are 6-8 whole chapters in the Bible, completely dedicated to exposing the danger and tactics of false leaders. Isaiah 9:16? You seem more intent upon defending the enemies of Christ than protecting His sheep from devouring them. Read Acts 20:29-32 and repent now. 2 John 10-11
“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 3-4
Beware of “Fair Speeches”
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” Romans 16:17-18
The apostle Paul tells people here to “mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine” of the LORD which is found in the Holy Scriptures.
Carefully note the phrase “fair speeches” which is defined as “fine style of utterance, giving the appearance of reasonableness.” So, the Scripture here informs us that such beguilers will “deceive the hearts of the simple” by “fair speeches.” This is the very way so many are being led astray in this late hour. The message and manner of these men have the appearance of godliness, and might even include a few tears, but their hidden motives center around their own agenda and not the LORD’s. This alone makes one a false prophet.
SETTING THE BIBLICAL RECORD STRAIGHT
Here is the list of the 8 evil doers the great apostle was divinely inspired to justifiably identify by name in 2 Timothy – in order to protect God’s people:
1) Phygellus 1:15
2) Hermogenes 1:15
3) Hymenaeus 2:17
4) Philetus 2:17
5) Jannes 3:8
6) Jambres 3:8
7) Demas 4:10 (apostate)
8} Alexander the coppersmith 4:14
Note that Philetus was a false teacher who was teaching cancerous lies – false doctrines – and Paul said that the “word” Philetus was teaching will eat up the faith of believers like a cancer. – “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.” (2 Timothy 2:15-18)
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Phil
May 19, 2024 at 7:29 pm
Mother Theresa’s thing was not making a show of herself. She made appearances on occasion, as it was not really her thing, and comforted the afflicted and afflicted the comfortable. Her thing was caring for those abandoned by society—especially those left on the streets.
I don’t know this Katherine, but, if she were Catholic agent, she would have been Catholic. She probably would not slay people in The Spirit. There are Charismatic Catholics, it’s true, but I don’t think that is their style and it is a very small contingent. I don’t think auditorium healing /prophecying events are Catholic things, though there are some moderately-sized talks given by a priest or lay author and usually at a church or something like a pro-life dinner—nothing like a one-man revival. We are more just being wherever to do good. Jesus and the Apostles probably dropped in on their missionary travels and maybe people knew ahead of time and that is why they were short on loaves and fish.
Did anyone become Catholic because of KK?
I do agree I don’t buy the faith healer showman or all positive feelings necessarily coming from The Holy Spirit. Not all filled with The HS are feeling any consolation, but it shows in their lives. Some have dark nights of the soul and, sometimes, God ‘s presence is just a light breeze. If we are in friendship with Christ, He is in us. Only we can hurt that friendship to our disadvantage or demise, because we chose something else we love more, which might be ourselves. He will try to save us by inspiration in the latter sense till the day we die and that may include many rescues. That is his 70X7 times (a symbolic number for all the time) forgiveness we must want and need to have.
Todd
May 19, 2024 at 7:35 pm
Jesus taught that Satan’s insidious human agents infiltrate. Matt 7:15; 24:11; 1 Peter 5:8 …. you can’t approach Bible based people with the catholic church, which all true Bible believers know is a pagan works-based cult. “Mother Teresa” perpetrated the cause of this false religion and that alone makes her a fraud. “Ye must be born again” says Jesus (John 3:3, 7). Yes, one must repent to be saved and whenever thereafter it’s needed (Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Luke 13:3; Acts 2:38, etc.). The Catholic Cult Exposed https://safeguardyoursoul.com/catholicism-ecumenism/
How to Make Peace with God https://safeguardyoursoul.com/peace-with-god/
Zane
February 7, 2025 at 12:45 am
I saw a “thou shalt not judge” comment. AN INCORRECT ANALYSIS.
JUDGEMENT imposes consequences and punishment. When someone does something wrong, and someone remarks is “that was wrong!” IS NOT JUDGEMENT. For there was no punishment. This world is full of deception and predetors sucking the money out of innocent and weak victims. Evangelical Christianity is so full of predators that it’s a wonder their bank accounts don’t explode. It is NOT JUDGEMENT to be smart enough to notice it and warn people!
Zane
February 7, 2025 at 12:48 am
I saw a “thou shalt not judge” comment. THAT IS AN INCORRECT ANALYSIS. JUDGEMENT imposes consequences and punishment. When someone does something wrong, and someone remarks “that was wrong!” IS NOT JUDGEMENT. For there was no punishment. This world is full of deception and predetors sucking the money out of innocent and weak victims. Evangelical Christianity is so full of predators that it’s a wonder their bank accounts don’t explode. It is NOT JUDGEMENT to be smart enough to notice it and warn people!
Todd
February 7, 2025 at 4:11 am
Excellent. Amen. Jesus says, instructs His people to “JUDGE righteous judgment.” John 7:24
Todd
March 16, 2025 at 5:10 pm
There are several meanings to the word “judgment” in the KJB. There is a difference between God’s judgment and mere men pronouncing condemnations on others. Preaching the judgment/condemnation of GOD, the warning, is one thing and a divine mandate, and yet acting as if we, mere men, have the place to condemn is another. There is a difference between “the wrath of man” and “the wrath of God.” (Romans 1:18)
“For the WRATH OF MAN worketh not the righteousness of God.” James 1:20
“Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” Romans 8:33-34