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Persecuted for Believing God is Not Confused about His Real Word!

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BREAKING: The violent bashing continues…. NIV defenders attacking me because I believe God preserved His Word in the King James Bible – just as He promised (Psalms 12:6-7).
 
Recently, an enraged “pastor” messaged me seeking to argue Bible versions… which he brought up, not me. He initiated the conversation and got real frustrated when I simply, kindly asked him to explain why Matthew 17:21 is removed, why Romans 8:1 is chopped in half, and why the BLOOD of Jesus was removed from Colossians 1:14. He didn’t like the questions and so began attacking me and saying I will be separated with the goats and sent to hell. Who’s condemning who? He’s not a man of truth. Wow, who’s the Bible basher now?

SHOCKING 4 Verse King James Bible Comparison

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“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” 1 Corinthians 14:33

There’s no end to the frauds who defend this pagan wolf CS Lewis. Here’s my recent reply to one such heretic:

“Man it’s time for you to repent sinner and get into God’s Word for yourself (2 Timothy 2:15). You are biblically illiterate and clueless. Your lame defense of a known false teacher, a pagan catholic named CS Lewis, and your refusal to uphold God’s written Word as the final divine authority, is clear proof that you are not saved (John 8:47; 2 Tim 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:19-21”

Explain this: “I have the deepest respect for Pagan myths, still more for myths in the Holy Scriptures” (PP, p.71). CS Lewis”

Recently, during a conversation, as I was confronting demonic heretic C.S. Lewis, the man who was being corrected, in the middle of our conversation, asked “Are you a King James only” person? He said “You come across as a King James person.” I lovingly affirmed boldly that “yes I do exclusively read the the King James Bible and for good reason.” Then I attempted to get right back to the original topic this man and I were discussing. He refused to get off the Bible version topic and proceeded to disdain me for not gullibly believing that all “bibles” are God’s Word. HE is the one who not only initiated this topic of discussion yet acting as if KJBO …… I did nothing in word or spirit to condemn him but only sought to give the answer of biblical truth on that matter…. yet he condemns me ….. I reminded him that I was merely answering the questions HE asked me.

A “Bible college” graduate many times has stated to me fatalistically and as if it’s normal and okay that “the body of Christ is so fragmented.” Yet there’s no Scripture that says that such is God’s will but rather against His stated will (Psalms 133:1; 1 Corinthians 12; Ephesians 4:3, etc.). And, where there is confusion, where is that coming from? It’s coming from the lies of the evil one who from the beginning has changed God’s words to deceive mankind and this is exactly the definition of what he’s done by having the fake news “bibles” created.

While condemning me, acting like I was the bad guy for believing God’s Word for the English people is the KJB, this guy was ousting me from fellowship. So who’s bashing who?  Wow! I did nothing to condemn him in attitude, tone, or content. T’was simply answering his inquiry. he didn’t like what was being stated so proceeded to attack (John 3:19-21). is This not even more evidence of satan working in the lives of those who foolishly use and defend his counterfeit “bibles”?

Seems to me that more pertinent than the KJBO (King James Bible Only) terminology perhaps would be KJBB = King James Bible Bashers! This group seems to be the ones perpetrating the violence.

Is there good reason to believe God gave us only 1 Bible? Yes! Does that make us freaks OR are those making such accusations pawns of the evils one?

Colossians 1:14 is the fire I like to hold their feet to. I told this man that he is defending “bibles” that have removed the very blood he claims to be washed in and asked him if he supposed himself to be a man of truth, of holy conviction.

Either we have a perfect Bible or we don’t and if not God lied to us (Psalms 12:6-7). The new version “bibles” are a mockery of God. Who’s behind them? Who was it that started all of this questioning of and adding to God’s words? (Genesis 2:17 > 3:4 and 3:1)

The basher continually claimed that all these errors meant nothing concerning our salvation. To this I replied by quoting 2 John 9, which states “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth (continues) not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth (continues) in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.” (2 John 9)

Notice that the man mentioned above told me “You come across as a King James person.” What does that really mean? Well, does it not mean that King James Bible believers are resolute in their faith, non-compromising, men of truth? Yes, and that those who read the false “bibles” are weak, unbelieving, and compromising. Howbeit, some who read those counterfeit “bibles” are innocently misled.

Is God confused about which Bible He gave us? (1 Corinthians 14:33)

Would the “Holy, holy, holy” God of all perfection possibly sanction a “bible” His own enemy/enemies corrupted? (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8)

You will be attacked and ostracized for believing that God gave kept His own promise to give us His Word in our own language and it can only be the King James Bible and could not possibly be the perverted versions which come from the perverted manuscripts.

When you hear someone say things like “a better translation would be”, you know you are dealing with a person who does not fear the LORD, is arrogantly believing he is wiser than God, and is not trusting that the LORD kept His promise to preserve His Word (Psalms 12:6-7).

The World has been Given the Knowledge of God through His Written Word and any Corruption of that Word is from Satan

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” 2 Timothy 3:16

So if God gave us His Word to get our “doctrine” from, then we should ask which Bible is truly God’s Word?

ANYONE else ever been bashed, persecuted by a defender of Satan’s false “bibles”?

This same man who condemned me for daring to stick with the real Word of God and reject Satan’s counterfeits told me that C.S. Lewis really opened the eyes of God’s people with his writings. More proof he is in darkness (John 3:19-21). He was emphatically acting as if we needed C.S. Lewis to know the real truth. Laughable! My instant reply was a resolute: “C.S. Lewis added nothing to Holy Scripture and what Scripture reveals which God says is ‘ALLLLLL things’ we would ever need in this life which ‘pertain unto life and godliness.'” (2 Peter 1:3-4)

This man is in the damnable state of unbelief and so is any sinful soul who puts any mere man’s writings or “ministry” above God’s Word!

WHAT happens is that when a person doesn’t take GOD at His own Word, where He tells us “all” and more we will ever need to know in this life IN HIS WRITTEN WORD, that person will be prey for the slick, heretical writers of old and now! (2 Peter 1:3-4) C.S. Lewis was one such demonic snake and so many today quote this wolf as if he were of God! Apostasy!

God gave us all we would ever need concerning knowing him right in His Word saints!

HOW could a “bible” that removes the BLOOD of Jesus from Colossians 1:14 possibly be God’s Word?

WHY would we believe a “bible” is God’s Word that chopped Romans 8:1 in half?

WHO would believe a “bible” is God’s true Word that completely removed Jesus’ words in Matthew 17:21?

UNLESS you can prove that God’s Word, the very words of our Maker, are not important, I will never cease to expose the LORD’s arch enemies for perverting HIS Word! The highest eternal price of judgment is attached to changing God’s Word. Those who tamper with the contents of God’s Word, are promised the plagues of the book of Revelation which includes the lake of fire.

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19

To underscore the essential place God’s Word plays in the divine economy, 2 Peter 1:12-21 informs us that the written Word, the Holy Scriptures, carry gr eater divine authentication than the literal audible voice of the Father. Let the reader be quickened to pour prayerfully over this passage.

Those who defend God’s Word are coming against the one who is the ultimate author of all perversions and questioning of God’s Word – Satan (Genesis 2:17; 3:1-4, etc.).

The man mentioned earlier asked me if I was King James only. Then he proceeded to take me to task and tell me that he and his wife had been to Bible College in his wife new Greek and Hebrew. I asked him what that had to do with anything and if he knew that Hebrew and Greek were dead languages. I asked him if God gave us HIS Word in our own language as He promised to do in Psalms 12:6-7. He didn’t use any Scripture but rather he used much human reasoning to justify, to crassly overlook the gross atrocities and corruptions of God’s Word discounting that God’s word even matters. He revealed himself to be anything but a man of truth and holy conviction.

INSTEAD of boasting of going to seminary or Bible college, they should be denouncing it!

A lot of people think you are going to go away or fade back when they say “oh I’ve been to seminary/Bible college.” Well, I have been to 2 of them and had to denounce it all just like the apostle Paul did. Read Philippians 3. Oh, and those who attempt to lord if over you like to throw in how they have studied Greek and Hebrew. Really? Pull their rug by asking them if they speak or write Hebrew or Greek? Game over! The Lure and Peril of Titles and Taintings!

Apostasy!

Jesus told us that “EVERY word of God” fully matters and that the Word of God is exactly where we get, discover, where we receive, we learn the knowledge of God.

“But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” Matthew 4:4

“And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” Luke 4:4

EVERY WORD OF GOD is pure: he is a shield (protector) unto them that put their trust in him.” Proverbs 30:5

In this verse above, “pure” means purified, tried, perfectly stated and placed.

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.” John 5:39

The Root

WHAT’s the real issue? Am I the wicked one for believing God kept His promise to preserve His Word for us? (Psalms 12:6-7) OR, are the dissenters backslidden and lukewarm and therefore refuse to “endure sound doctrine”? (2 Timothy 4:2-4)

Is the real issue that KJBO folks are crazy for believing God actually kept His promise to the English speaking people which is fulfilled in the King James Bible?  OR, are the attackers who seek to polarize the unsuspecting doing the work of the devil – which is to change, question, and pervert God’s words?

“For ye have perverted the words of the living God.” Jeremiah 23:36

DID or DID NOT God give us His Word in our language? Yes He did, just as He promised in Psalms 12:6-7.

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” Psalms 12:6-7
FLASH POINT: Most books whose covers have words “Holy Bible” on them are not God’s Word, never were, and anything but holy.

IF you believe the demonic notion that somehow God Almighty dropped the ball and didn’t follow all the way through with giving this generation His very Word, you are a Bible agnostic. You are calling God a liar (Psalms 12:6-7). Bible Agnostics Exposed

Please tell us why you insist upon defending the works of Satan in the name of the LORD? How can you sit there and defend that which removes the very blood of Christ you claim to be washed in? Colossians 1:14

To say this matter of the very words of God doesn’t matter is to clearly prove you are not right with God.

Please Defend Your New “bible” Version HERE 

SO MANY people who are opening their ignorant mouths about topics they have no clue about which God’s Word tell us is folly, foolishness – Proverbs 18:13). Some are seminarian graduates who claim to have done “many years of research” and don’t know the first thing about this topic of the real and the many counterfeit “bibles.” UNREAL!

SATAN, the original perverter of God’s Word (Genesis 2:17; 3:1, 4) has filled the professing apostate modern church world fake “bibles.” New “bibles” is absolute apostasy. God’s Word was already perfect in the King James Bible and a fulfillment of the prophecy of Psalms 12:6-7. CLUE: 99% of the dupes many call “pastor” do not use the King James Bible but rather some cheap substitute. There it is – the recipe for apostasy.
 
ATTENTION: If you haven’t compared the following 4 verses between the KJB and at least one of the modern “bibles”, please don’t shoot your mouth off lest you be rebuked openly and severely:
 
Please explain why the new “bible” you are reading and defending ….
 
1. Removed the words of Jesus in Matthew 17:21 (because Satan didn’t want today’s believers to know how to cast him out!)…
2. Romans 8:1 was chopped in half, and …
3. The BLOOD of Jesus was removed from Colossians 1:14…. 4. The plainest verse in all the Bible conveying the Godhead was completely neutered 1 John 5:7 ….
 
Then we can talk.
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Apostasy

Favorite Eternal Security “Proof” Text? [podcast]


Excerpt from the book Lie of the Ages

Does John 10:27-29 Prove “Eternal Security”?

WHO are Jesus’ Sheep? Defined by, in God’s Word.

John 10:27-29

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” ~ John 10:27-29

Verse 27 is the condition necessary to appropriate the promises of verses 28-29.

Those who believe that a man can never lose his salvation, use this John 10:28-29 text but ignore the prerequisite, the divinely given condition – v27. Watch this:

Firstly, in this passage Jesus identifies those sheep whom He makes the security promise to. He says, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” In this we see one part divine and two parts the responsibility of the individual:

  • “I know them”—the divine part toward those who are truly in Christ, presently abiding (v. 27)
  • Those who are His sheep “hear” His “voice” and “follow” Him—the individual’s responsibility (v. 27)

The promise to be kept is a conditional promise which requires that we choose to continue to hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27-29). Many today wrongly detach our LORD’s words in verse 27 from verses 28-29. In doing so, they perpetrate their “eternal security” mythology.

The problem for the eternal securists is that v27 has been intentionally been ignored…. It’s the actual condition Jesus gives for receiving the assurance promises He then gives in v28-29.

Those who seek to spread the “once saved always saved” heresy use John 10:28-29 to their advantage and conveniently ignore the preceding words of Christ in verse 27. Verses 28-29 are promises of security to those who have been genuinely born again and are currently abiding in Christ – hearing His voice and following Him (John 15:1-6). Many ignore the previous qualifying words (v. 27) of Jesus where Christ tells us that only those who are hearing His voice and following Him are promised that they are secure and will never perish. There is a condition to being secure in Christ—knowing Him—which requires continuing to abide in Him, hear His voice and follow Him (see also John 15).

“Jesus will neither leave us nor forsake us, but we can leave and forsake Him by choosing our sins OVER His love, grace and mercy!” Dino Filardo

Eternal securists have been taught to selectively interpret Scripture while ignoring mountains of Bible truth, in order to come to a predetermined conclusion.

Many a false teacher has built his own ministry empire dishonestly peddling this passage. Take a closer look. Anchor the promise to be kept in verses 28-29 on verse 27 where Jesus identifies who His sheep are – those who hear and continue to hear His voice and continue to follow Him (present tense). The promise to be kept is a glorious and yet conditional promise which requires that the individual recipient of the salvation gift of God chooses to continue to hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27-29). Many today wrongly detach our LORD’s words in verse 27 from verses 28-29 of John 10. In doing so, they perpetrate their “eternal security” or otherwise called “once saved always saved” mythology. Beware as this was the first lie Satan told mankind, which led to the fall (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).

Instead of synthesizing the whole of Scripture, false teachers isolate certain verses for their own self-serving agenda and purpose (2 Corinthians 2:17, etc.).

The sheep Jesus’ promises are going to be kept are those who endure to the end, abide (remain) with Him (John 15:1-6). The Great Shepherd defines His sheep as those who are presently hearing His voice and following Him (present tense). John 10:27-29

It’s not difficult to mislead people in the direction of the sinful nature of their hearts – because then they can evade truly repenting which is a major life change and necessity for salvation. This is why Paul foretold of this hour and how men would “heap to themselves (false) teachers having itching ears.” (2 Timothy 4:3) “Itching ears” here represents unrepentant hearts.

OSAS people make a vain attempt at redefining the words of Scripture to fit their own self-serving agenda of lukewarmness, cross-less rebellion. For example they hyper-focus on “eternal” in the term “eternal life” while intentionally refusing to synthesize the whole of what Scripture states. They hyper-focus on the word “gift” and teach that a gift could never be lost which the rest of Scripture does not agree with. They then take the word “sealed” and make it to be permanent which it cannot possibly be because the same Greek word for “sealed” is used of Jesus’ tomb which we all know was NOT permanently sealed (Matthew 27:66). In this they bear false witness against the LORD and act like some Scriptures are more divinely inspired than others. This practice reveals the evil and deceit of their own hearts. Not just some Scripture in the Bible but rather “ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God…” (2 Timothy 3:16-17) It must all be synthesized, put together, compared (1 Corinthians 2:13). Error will result in the hearts and lives of those who do not search, study, and revere “ALL scripture” in God’s Word.

Eternal security deceivers don’t want to talk about Bible verses that contradict and expose their proof texts. You see, they don’t want to get awaken by the truth to the scam they’ve bought into. The wolves who they gullibly believe instead of God’s Word, taught them to cry “context, context” all while THEY are the beguilers who are taking Scripture out of context. Just like the demonic democrats in America, they accuse their adversaries of the exact thing THEY themselves are guilty of (Romans 2:1-3).

YOU are defending OSAS and yet you gave no Bible verses? Self-deception. If “once saved always saved” were true, WHY O WHY didn’t God tell us? Such a term, phrase, or concept appear no where in Scripture and the verses you use to “prove” it are taken out of their context. OSAS is undeniably the very first lie Satan ever told and it led to the fall of mankind from a HOLY God (Genesis 2:17; 3:4). If OSAS isn’t a doctrine of devils, nothing is! (1 Timothy 4:1-2)

Is the unchanging, Almighty God no longer “Holy, holy, holy” now that He sent His only begotten Son? (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8) If He’s still holy, no unrepentant person with sin will enter His holy Heaven (Revelation 21:8, 27, etc.).

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14

HOW is it that so many treat the words of JESUS recorded in John 10 more divinely authoritative than the words of JESUS recorded in John 15? False teachers.

Most of the dupes who cite John 10:28-29 to “prove” they can never lose their salvation, 1. Don’t even know what the preceding verse says (v27), and 2. Have no clue what JESUS says in John 15:6.

“If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6

In this John 10 passage used by the unconditional eternal security crew to peddle their wares, some neglect to look closely at verse 27 to see who Jesus was specifically speaking to when He promised “they shall never perish.” “They” refers to those who “hear my voice” and “follow me.” According to verse 27 the promise of eternal security is conditional. Assurance of salvation is only to those who are presently following Christ. In verse 27 we learn that protection from judgment to come is only to those who are currently 1) hearing His voice, 2) known by Him, and 3) following Him. This is consistent with the message seen in the whole of Holy Writ.

“For if AFTER they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, AFTER they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit AGAIN; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22 

WHO did Jesus say His true sheep are?

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (Jn. 10:27). According to these words of Christ, those who “know” Jesus and “follow” Him are given the promise that they will “never perish.” As long as the follower hears His voice and follows Him, they are assured “eternal life.” This is exactly what the Son of God taught just a few chapters later in John 15 where He says that if a branch that is in Him does not remain or abide in Him, that person will be cut off and cast into the fire (hell).

Those who abide or remain under the shadow of His holy and protective wing shall remain secure in Him (Ps. 91:1). The Good Shepherd here said: “Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” No man can pluck us out of His protection except ourselves by our own decisions. We who are abiding are protected from the snare of other men drawing us away as we remain walking with the Son of God. If you’re tucked, you won’t get plucked. If you’re not tucked under the wing of intimacy with Jesus, you will, can, and are likely to be plucked out of His holy hand by your own sinful unbelief. The LORD told us “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown” (Rev. 3:11).

It’s also notable that those who emphasize John 10 to convince themselves and others that they are “eternally secure”, don’t even know much less acknowledge the words of the Savior in John 15:1-6.

Telling.

“If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6

Jesus taught repeatedly that some would not continue to follow Him (“abide”) and hear His voice and would consequently “fall away.” There is record of some who once believed and then stopped believing (Lk. 8:13; 13:23-30; Jn. 6:66; Acts 8:14-23).

Lie of the Ages (the book)

WHY do eternal securists get all upset when their fairy tale is exposed? Well, they are hiding behind the thin veneer of this heresy, feeling all secure, emboldened to live as they please, feeling assured in their lukewarmness and sin … denying Jesus instead of self, refusing to take up the cross that Jesus commanded all who would follow Him truly (Luke 9:23-24). Christ’s apostle Paul speaks of self-serving “enemies of the cross of Christ.” (Philippians 3:18-19) What’s behind this myth? The Psychology of Eternal Security [book]

Another Example of the Twisting of Scripture

The eternal securists seek to justify their OSAS heresy by misusing the following passage…. but in this Paul is speaking of those who go to Heaven, the judgment of saints, and not those who fell away and won’t be there because they will be in hell. They will not be present when this happens….

“Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

One More….

Common Objection to Conditional Eternal Security….

“What about Romans 8:38-39 where it says nothing can separate us from the love of God?”

REPLY:

Simple: Notice the word LOVE not life. God will love us all the way into hell if we choose not to repent. His soul will even “weep in secret places for your pride” which comes before destruction (Jeremiah 13:17). The LORD is “Holy, holy, holy,” He’s just, and He will not ever coexist with sin. See the fall of lucifer (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-19; Luke 10:18). The wages of sin is still death and the LORD will damn every soul that dies in sin, with no exception (Psalms 5:4; Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Romans 6:23; Revelation 4:8; 21:8; 22:11, etc.). Read Jesus’s parable of the prodigal son Lk 15. Did the father love and miss his son? Yes. Did the father (represents God) go chase him down? No. The son who departed had to choose to return. Much truth there. Speaking of Romans, read 11:20-22. Now read 2 Peter 2:20-22 and the book of Hebrews.

1 John 2:19 is often also utilized to “prove” eternal security. Not.

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:19

Interestingly, the word “never” does not appear in this verse above which is so often used to “prove” OSAS. Let’s read it again with an objective mind. And, also remember what Jesus says about the primary importance of His teaching of the seed and the soil, the sower and the Word:

“And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?” Mark 4:13 

The honest student of the whole Counsel of God’s Word knows that numerous clear Bible truths reveal that a saved person can turn away from the LORD, so we know that the apostle John could not possibly be saying that a saved person could never depart from the LORD. In my opinion, this verse is the best argument the eternal security proponent has, yet it’s not enough. There must be two or three witnesses and not just one (2 Cor. 13:1). After a closer examination of this text, one will find that verse 19 does not teach or justify “once saved always saved.” When any one verse is taken to the exclusion of the whole Word of God, one will certainly misunderstand the doctrine of the LORD which can only be apprehended by “study.” (2 Tim. 2:15) This verse is like any other verse of Scripture – it must be taken in light of the entire Counsel of God. The context to be considered is 1 John 2:18-29).

In examining the context in which 1 John 2:19 is set, we see that false teachers whom John calls “many antichrists,” had come and were telling these believers that Jesus was not the Christ (v22).

Let’s look at verses 18 and 19 together:

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:18-19

Note here that it is specifically of these “antichrists” that John speaks and says that “if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”

John was speaking of those who were once saved but then departed from the faith (1 Tim 4:1), they believed and then fell away (Luke 8:12-13) …. then departed from the believers in that fellowship.

Teddy Caldwell writes:

“OSAS insists that those are professing believers, but 1 John 2:18 says such people are antichrists. 1 John 2:22 says an antichrist is one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Anyone who does that isn’t a believer and isn’t even trying to look like one.”

Concerning 1 John 2:19, Donald Stamps, in the Life in the Spirit Study Bible, writes:

“‘THEY WENT OUT FROM US.’ When the antichrists departed from their fellowship with true believers, they were not in a saving relationship with Christ. This allows for two possibilities: (1) They were never true believers to begin with, or (2) they had once been in a saving relationship with Christ but afterward abandoned their faith in Christ.”

Right here in verse 24 of this passage we see the doctrine of personal responsibility to “remain” in faithful obedience to the LORD or lose one’s place with God (1 Cor. 15:2; Gal. 6:9; Col. 1:23). This is a teaching found throughout Holy Writ – the divine requirement to stay saved or lose all in eternity, “suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 7)

“Let that therefore abide (remain) in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. IF (denotes condition) that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.” 1 John 2:24-25

Verse 24 alone tells us that we cannot think that verse 19 means that someone who is at some point in right standing with God can never depart from Him and lose out. Also, verse 25 tells us that “eternal life” (not just rewards) is at stake and the promise contingent upon the believer abiding or remaining in that “which ye have heard from the beginning” which is the Gospel. “Eternal life” is assured as long as one is remaining rooted in Jesus Christ. This is the overwhelmingly consistent message of God’s Word.

In verse 26 John says “These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.” Verse 19 is written about the deceivers who sought to “seduce” these disciples John was addressing and not of true believers.

With all of Scripture in consideration, we can conclude that 1 John 2:19 is a specific example and not a rule of doctrine.

If you truly wish to search out this matter, let me encourage you to closely examine, break down and study this entire text (1 Jn. 2:18-29). In order to ascertain truth, one must compare the verse in question with all other related Scriptures, beginning with the context in which the verse is set (Isa. 28:9-10; 1 Cor. 2:13).

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Eternal Security / OSAS Exploded

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Attend to My Words [podcast]


IF THE WORD isn’t flowing into you daily, you are falling away. Flood and fuel your heart and mind and body with the pure, the holy light of God’s Word daily and you will never famish! All darkness will be vanquished (Psalms 119:130). All who have been saved and yet aren’t in God’s Word and prayer daily – have rejected Christ, with no exception. Re-turn to the LORD prodigal. There’s no good outside of Christ the KING.

“The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.” Psalms 119:130

ALL who are not in God’s written Word daily are not hearing from God, do not have God’s wisdom and direction, and are walking in darkness – 100%.

The feeding of Christ’s flock would integrally involve exhorting them to diligently study and walk in God’s Word themselves, daily (John 21:15-17). Isn’t this exactly what the apostle Paul told Timothy to do? Yes. He told his understudy to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15)

One of the ways we know who the false ministers are, is that they want people dependent on THEM, not God. So, they don’t constantly exhort the people to get into God’s Word, the Holy Scriptures, for themselves. Run.

“This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.” Joshua 1:8 

“He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live. … My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. 21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. 22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh. 23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Proverbs 4:4, 20-23

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” Jeremiah 15:16

“Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.” Job 23:12

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” Colossians 3:16

“Over the last 5-10 years I can see where He has done this for me already, but the problem is …. it’s not enough! I want even more! One hour of study and prayer in the morning is not enough!” Christine

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