Absolutely a Vatican Infiltrator! Rick Warren is a Warlock
EVER NOTICE HOW SO MUCH IS SAID ABOUT “PURPOSE”? Purpose defined by WHO? hmmmmmm Does the Bible teach us specifically to walk in “our” purpose? I don’t think so. His Word is a lamp unto our feet and a light into our path following Him via His Word is our purpose. But somehow that all seems to get left out. Ps 119:105. The purpose driven craze started with a demon possessed vatican plant named Rich Warren. Beware.
America‘s “Pastor” OR America’s Wolf?
“Purpose driven”???? NO! WHOSE purpose? Jesus’ people are Holy Spirit led and WORD driven – not driven by a self-centered false purpose!
Warren doesn’t preach the original Gospel which begins with the command to “Repent.” And, he uses over 20 versions of the Bible to make own points, instead of using the King James Bible and letting God speak for Himself.
Rick Warren is a Vatican plant…. total deceiver…. anyone who doesn’t see this self-evident truth is walking in darkness.
Rick Warren is clearly a false prophet and this godless “purpose driven” deception is not God’s Word and is garbage, never once offering biblical salvation which begins with the divine command to repent.
IF that man you call “pastor” has any connection to RICK WARREN or any of his many heretical programs (Recovery paganism), he’s part of the new world order/one world church/ecumenism! RUN! Absolutely a Vatican Infiltrator!
Every “pastor” who has “divorce recovery” or any other of the various “recovery” programs in his “church” is part of the new world order, ecumenical, one world religion under antichrist trap. Anything out of saddleback “church” is poison. RUN!
Never mind Rick “the devil” Warren‘s “recovery” garbage, it’s time to recover the original Gospel of Jesus which is the only answer to man’s sin problem! (Jude 3-4) SIN is still man’s core dilemma for which Christ came! Oh and the original Gospel begins with the divine command to “repent.” (Matthew 3:2; 4:17; Acts 2:38, etc.)
****Rick Warren has been coined “America’s pastor” by the ungodly who are in control of the media. It’s a pure scam folks. There’s an ecumenical, antichrist agenda behind it. Rick Warren is a wolf, a false prophet. Anyone with an ounce of discernment sees in 30 seconds of hearing this man talk that he is a “cloud and wind without rain” or with zero Biblical substance (Proverbs 25:14). The true people of God see right through this man who never presents the Gospel of Christ which begins with the command to repent (Mat. 3:2; 4:17; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 17:30).
Rick Warren is a warlock at best, an antichrist plant. Rick Warren is not “America’s pastor,” he’s America’s warlock to mislead millions who do not know the LORD. He’s a hell bound Jesuit pawn of Satan. Everything this man touches is cursed, including his Celebrate Recovery scam – run!
Like Joel Osteen and so many other popular wolves today, Rick Warren positions himself as the cool guy. Is coming off as the “cool” guy what “ministry” is today? Is this what Jesus and His holy apostles and prophets were like? Not quite. Warren is leading a whole generation of unsanctified CEO-type “pastors” in this delusion. Read your Bible or you will continue to be a gullible, biblically-illiterate dupe, deceived and ultimately “destroyed for lack of knowledge.” (Hosea 4:6) Read Hebrews 11 and find out what happened to those who trusted God. Then, read Revelation to see the martyrdom coming to many who follow Christ to the end as Jesus commanded.
Rick Warren can be known by the fruit of his doctrine. Warren refuses to preach that men must repent. This alone makes him false. He’s not preaching the original Gospel which begins with the command to repent. Repentance is never mentioned in his evil, self-focused, purpose-driven books which have sold millions. But the command to repent is the very first command and word of the true Gospel. See. Matt. 3:2; 4:17; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 17:30, etc.. God has not changed – man has one core problem and that’s sin and there’s only one salvation solution, Jesus Christ, and Jesus says “Except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3, 5) Repenting is what God requires to save a lost soul – it’s an essential and it’s where salvation is appropriated. No true disciple of Christ would withhold this life-saving Gospel truth. Any person who claims to be representing Christ and doesn’t preach what Christ and His holy apostles preached, is preaching another, a false gospel and is “accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9)
Mariaan Pretorius notes:
“Rick Warren, Apostate Preacher: Rick has people praying a salvation prayer that does not mention, sin, repentance, the cross or the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
In the video that accompanies the ’40 Days of Purpose,’ Warren leads his listeners in prayer at the conclusion of the first session. The prayer is as follows:
‘Dear God, I want to know your purpose for my life. I don’t want to base the rest of my life on wrong things. I want to take the first step in preparing for eternity by getting to know you. Jesus Christ, I don’t understand how but as much as I know how I want to open up my life to you. Make yourself real to me. And use this series in my life to help me know what you made me for.’ Warren goes on to say: “Now if you’ve just prayed that prayer for the very first time I want to congratulate you. You’ve just become a part of the family of God.'”
Of Warren, WND reported:
“But Warren’s critics have claimed his Purpose Driven ministry emphasizes only doing good, while dodging the kind of biblical repentance that is needed for a person – or a pastor – to have their life transformed by Christ. The Purpose Driven Church model, or PDC, discounts the fear of the Lord, Warren’s critics say, while encouraging pastors to become “masters” of their churches instead of servants.” WND,
“’Before we “shake your hand’ in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.” – Rick Warren in a speech to Muslims.
Beware Saints, Warren is a sell out! (Heb. 10:29) Just WHO does this clown feign to representing? He’s certainly not representing the LORD’s born again “little flock” – His true people/remnant (Luke 12:32).
IF this doesn’t offend you, you have either departed from the faith and not continuing in the doctrine of God given in His Word, or have never been not saved (2 John 1:7-11).
– Is Rick Warren Your Idol? Is Rick Warren Above God’s Word/Law? Is Rick Warren’s book more authoritative than God’s Word in your mind? If you are teachable and not an idolater of mere sinful men who hold leadership positions, Read On…
BEWARE: Rick Warren is a blatant wolf in sheep’s clothing (Matt. 7:15). It should be more than obvious upon the first viewing of Warren speaking that he is an antichrist windbag. He uses very little if any SCRIPTURE to make his points and when he does, they are many times misused – out of context. Have you ever noticed that moral cowards who claim be Christian are always looking for a way to escape from being persecuted for the name and Person of Jesus Christ and the pure and original Gospel (Mk. 8:38; Gal. 5:11-12; 6:11-12). Rick Warren teaches that we need to build upon purpose, but is that what Jesus Christ taught? No, the Son of God taught that the only solid and eternally blessed foundation is Christ and His HOLY WORD (Matt. 7:21-29; 1 Cor. 3:11). It is like Rick Warren’s books and speaking/works have become final authority usurping the place which the LORD alone is worthy of. In fact, He has magnified His Word above His own name (Ps. 138:2). Rick Warren’s purpose driven deception is simply another gimmick ministry made popular by people who don’t study and obey God’s Word for themselves and do not truly love Jesus so therefore make heroes of mere sinful men (Zech. 11:17). Rick Warren and his gimmick book, Purpose Driven Life, has subverted the truth and removed people’s hearts and attention from God’s Word. Yet, God has ordained heretics and heresies to separate the true from the false (1 Cor. 11:19).
“His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. 11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. 12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant. Isaiah 56:10-12 (KJV)
Any pastor or church leader that brings in Rick Warren’s Gospel-less books or the material of any other modern lame leader, reveals that he does not have a life of his own in the Word. He is “blind” and “ignorant.” Instead of honoring the LORD by studying His 66 glorious books which make up the canon of Holy Scripture, counterfeit leaders elevate the writings/words of mere men and are leading astray millions.
“For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.” Isaiah 9:16 (KJV)
Tex Marrs writes:
“As the aging Robert Schuller, Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Paul Crouch are being retired and shown the door, a spanking brand-new generation of ministers and evangelists are being ushered in by the Devil to take their place. The new preachers–men like California’s Pastor Rick Warren (The Purpose-Driven Life) and Texas’ Joel Osteen (Your Best Life Now) are flashy, shiny, and smiley. They use positive talk, make people feel good, and get them to thinking about ‘Me, Me, Me, Me…’ The Rick Warrens and Joel Osteen’s evade topics like sin, judgment, Hell, and condemnation. They trumpet the New Gospel–that God is always good and that He has a satchel-full of cash he’s just dying to give out to every believer if only they’ll think good thoughts. What about false religion?–Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Witchcraft? Don’t worry. God is working behind the scenes to get those people to Heaven–and they don’t need to be evangelized at all. ‘So long Christian missionaries–It’s been good to know you!’ Find your purpose, find prosperity–get greedy, stop barking. Surround yourself with purple haze–The New Generation of Christian leaders are here, and watchdogs everywhere have simply gone to sleep.”
“Warren’s god is not awesome or angry and he does not stand in judgment of human sin. He is genial and mellow and he wants to be your best friend.” – The New Yorker, September 12, 2005.
Biblical Christianity is about having a Christ-filled, Word-directed or Holy Spirit-led life, not a purpose-driven life.
(we do not control what content is on the sites below only that which is on these sites)
– we need to get into God’s Word and stop promoting the work of deceivers like Rick Warren
– the Gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4) is never presented in Rick Warren’s book, The Purpose Driven Life
In Rick’s book, “The purpose Driven Life,” over 75 of his Bible quotes are from the corrupt Message Bible. Rick encourages people to meditate and memorize this corrupt translation. Some of the Quotes that he uses from the Message Bible change the meaning of the verse to suit Rick’s seeker sensitive model.
“Read Scripture from a newer translation. And as you read that Scripture, realize that you’re trying to pick out Scriptures that appeal especially to baby boomers. And try to find Scriptures that specifically relate to the benefits that Christ can bring into a person’s life. They’ve never heard the Scripture before, so try to pick positive Scriptures that talk about the benefits of Christ… you want to pick out Scriptures that are very positive.” Rick Warren
“The unchurched culture determines our style. We’re laid back Southern California. We’re just a few miles from the beach, so we have a laid back Southern California style….Regardless of the style you choose, you’re going to be criticized. Okay? So, the key question is, “Who are you trying to impress?” The unchurched populations determine our goals.” Rick Warren
A strange statement appears on p.40. Warren writes
“I didn’t know enough to call my survey of the community a ‘marketing’ study. To me, it was just a matter of meeting the people I intended to reach. Those who had been coming to our small Bible study helped me take the community survey. The irony was this: Many of those who came to home Bible study and helped me survey the unchurched in our community were unbelievers themselves.”
——–Subject: WAKE-UP CALL — Rick Warren Teams Up With New-Age Guru Ken Blanchard!
OK, if I could come to your house, and scream this in your ear, I would. But I can’t, so email will have to do. Also, I apologize in advance for offending some of you, which I am sure I will do. But, please read this with an open heart, and pray, and examine the scriptures. If “a little leaven leavens the whole batch”, and we are to expel people from our churches who are in sin, then what do we make of one of the leaders in American Christianity partnering up with an outspoken Buddhist? Is this not going completely against the scriptures?
I know that most Christians today will not care one hill of beans about the fact that the most influential Evangelical leader in Christianity today, Rick Warren, is actually teaching seminars with a New Age/Buddhist, but I believe God is delivering a very strong warning right now to the masses who follow this man, and men like him. Jesus said to beware, because in the end times, even the elect would be deceived….if possible. The apostle Paul cast blindness on a false prophet/sorcerer (Acts 13), yet now we invite them up on stage to teach the Christians! Paul warned about people preaching another Jesus, another Gospel, and receiving a different Spirit. I know. I used to go to a church like this for about 2 1/2 years, and I ended up leaving because I realized that most people were far more excited about the church itself than Jesus, they didn’t really care about the sin they lived in, they NEVER prayed, etc. I would have to say that the deception has already arrived. The very core of deception is that those being deceived think they have the truth. Think about that. Meditate, and pray. Do you want to be deceived in these end times? Do you really love truth, or do you just want to go along with the latest greatest thing in Christianity, so you don’t get shunned?
Woe to you when all men speak well of you, For so did their fathers to the false prophets. Luke 6:26
The below article is from Lighthouse Research.
Rick Warren Teams Up With New-Age Guru Ken Blanchard!
This is a Special Report.
Apr 19, 2005 While Rick Warren is gearing up to train a billion people, unbeknownst to many he has also been teamed up with New Age and contemplative promoter, Ken Blanchard, for some time now. According to a new biography on Rick Warren, A Life With Purpose written by George Mair, Rick Warren has solicited the services of Ken Blanchard to aid him in training leaders: “Rick taps the best and most famous to help train church leaders to be like Jesus. He has hired Ken Blanchard …. to come to Saddleback to help train people how to be effective leaders.” p. 193
In light of knowing who Ken Blanchard is, this is shocking and devastating news for the church!
There is countless evidence to show that Blanchard sits on the New Age/mystical/contemplative bandwagon. Blanchard believes in the benefits and use of mantra meditation, yoga and has no trouble borrowing from Buddhism.
Here are just a few examples:
a.. Wrote the foreword to Jim Ballard’s Mind Like Water
b.. Wrote the foreword to Franz Metcalf’s What Would Buddha Do At Work?
c.. Is on the Front Cover of Corporate Mystic-(Listen)
d.. Is on the Back Cover of Deepak Chopra’s 7 Spiritual Laws of Success
e.. Jim Ballard, a staunch New Ager, and a colleague of The Ken Blanchard Companies
f.. Wrote the Foreword to Ellen Ladd’s (clairvoyant) book, Death and Letting Go.
Blanchard makes no apology when he says much can be gained from Buddhism. He and his wife both encourage the practice of yoga (p.11) and mantra meditation.
For those who do not find the words of an unofficial biographer (Mair) linking Rick Warren with Blanchard convincing enough, Ken Blanchard, Rick Warren and Bill Hybels (Willow Creek) have become team players at the Lead Like Jesus conferences, which take place across North America. The three also have an audio set they co-authored together.
Did Rick Warren know of Blanchard’s sympathies when he brought him in to help at Saddleback? Of course he did. And do you think that Rick Warren and Ken Blanchard are going to train their “billion” soldiers for Christ how to practice New Age mysticism and learn how to go into altered states of consciousness? You bet. And that is definitely something to be concerned about.
“…they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false …” II Thessalonians 2:10-11
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THE ROCK OF TRUTH PROTECTION
“Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation. Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?” Deuteronomy 32:1-6
According to this passage of Scripture the LORD speaks of His “doctrine” through which He speaks to us and which we are to “publish” where He is seen as “the Rock…of truth.” Then He tells us that some – a “crooked generation” – have “corrupted themselves” after He made and established them.
“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” Proverbs 30:5-6
Beloved, when the floods of His holy judgment come, the only ROCK that will be standing is Jesus – the One revealed by His words which He gave to lead and protect us. He instructed us to:
“Search the scriptures…they are they which testify of me.” John 5:39
Only those beholding Him through what He told us in His Word and standing on that Word, will be standing when all else is destroyed in the holy wrath and judgment soon to come. The Son of God is the “Great Shepherd of the sheep” and active and intent upon feeding and protecting the sheep of His pasture (Ps. 23; Jn. 21:15-17; Heb. 13:20; 1 Pet. 5:1-6). All under-shepherds true to the One “Great Shepherd of the sheep” do the same – feed and protect His saints.
“For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.” Psalms 27:5
I have become associated with the pastor of a local congregation and often see him carrying numerous commentaries and books by human authors. There are a few who have something worth reading and yet God’s Word is infinitely more important to learn and authoritative. In fact, how shall we now how to rightly divide the word of truth if we do not personally know the definite article of the oracles of God? (Acts 17:11; 2 Tim. 2:15; 3:16-17, etc.).
It is truly regrettable to see those in leadership today so zealous to read other men’s Words while neglecting the words of God. This manifests itself in that so many churches today have programs which virtually never feature the study of a book of the Bible but rather a book or media production from a mere human author (many who are adding to or taking away from the Word of God). Where is the discipleship in the Word? (2 Tim. 2:15; 3:15-4:4) No wonder such deception and deceit abounds in the visible church world (Matt. 24:10-13). Today, the spiritual empty apostate leadership in the visible American church world has learned well how to read what someone else says about the Bible and to follow trends and fad books from best-selling mere human authors. Take a look below at a recent dialogue I had with the pastor of a large congregation concerning fad book author Rick Warren. I had referred this pastor to our page on Rick Warren and here is his response and mine:
RESPONSE FROM THE PASTOR:
- “Todd: Rick Warren has been used of God to lead thousands of people to saving faith in Christ. I would be very careful in labeling him a false prophet. Jesus said, “You shall know them by their fruits” (Matthew 7:16). Based on the fruit in his life and ministry, I would call him a true follower of Jesus Christ. Does he do it all perfectly? No… but neither do you and neither do I. Would to God that you and I had ministries that brought untold thousands of people from “the domain of darkness to the Kingdom of His beloved Son” (Col. 1:13)” J. S. Pastor, FBC
TODD’S RESPONSE:
- “Thanks Brother Jeff…God bless you in His truth and peace brother. Thanks for emailing.
Does Warren even give the Gospel in his purpose book? Does he boldly and fervently call men to repentance before a holy God as John the Baptist and Jesus did – Matt. 3:4; 4:17. “Repent” was the very first word they each preached. They didn’t preach “believe” first but rather “repent”. Neither did they seek to draw men using entertainment. Remember, hirelings entertain goats while true under-shepherds feed Christ’s sheep and unwaveringly preach the original Gospel.
Did you realize that Warren was trained under Robert Schuller, a known false prophet? and he uses his methods and philosophies today….Warren is on the cutting edge of the seeker-sensitive movement which has removed repentance and therefore the alter call to call men to repent) and turned to entertainment in order to draw the nickles, noses and numbers. Jesus commanded His true followers to preach repentance (Lk. 24:47). He said it was essential to salvation (Lk. 13:3,5). This alone should prove the lack of genuine Bible fruit in Warren’s ministry. Preaching repentance is not conducive to drawing and keeping crowds so it is simply removed by the enterprising circus leaders of our day who are fashioning a “christianity” in their own image. Jesus help us before it is too late – Matt. 7:15-29.
Brother Jeff, this is how I see it after much observation so have no problem marking him in order to warn others and see Christ’s sheep protected – which is the mandate of every true servant of Jesus (Rom. 16:17-18; Col. 1:27-29; 2:8,18-19; Acts 20:27-32, Jude 3-4, etc.). Paul marked 8 men by name in the 4 chapters of 2 Timothy – “Naming Names – Is It Biblical?” Jesus is Coming, todd
Personally, I refuse to follow or fall into the politically correct silence of those who refuse to cry wolf on the wolves who operate in our midst and deceive and damn souls (Isa. 9:6; Ezek. 22:25, 27; Rom. 16:17-18; Col. 2:8). They must be marked as commanded by the LORD. Spiritual cowards who do not want to lose their lives (reputations) in their circles (among men) appear to have forsaken Jesus and His truth for the admiration of mere men (Mk. 8:34; Lk. 6:26; Gal. 1:10; 4:16; Jude 1:16).
Saints, the sad thing is that those who protect, defend and support these fad authors/works of fire-consumable stubble have made popular their works which do not present the true Gospel clearly given in the whole of Scripture (Hos. 4:6). Where is the discernment? Where are the Berean believers of this hour! (Acts 17:10-11) Those who fund these ministries are making them financially wealthy while many times those in the trenches who like Jesus care for several and also that one wayward sheep, and communicate the whole counsel of the Word, go hungry.
PRAYER: LORD Jesus, bless us never to fund the work of those who turn aside from Thee and lead others astray with deception and lies, crassly denying and ignoring Your precious precepts. Nay rather bless us to get behind and push upwardly those works and Gospel workers true to Your Word and Holy Spirit. Amen.
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MORE ON WARREN….
In this next video, as you view, as usual, weigh all against Scripture truth … in this one he talks about how wonderful HIS book is and speaks of his book being like a handkerchief that has dried the tears of wounded people. This is antichrist 2 times over because he is not elevating GOD’s WORD/BOOK but rather allowing his own book to be promoted. Also, isn’t it the LORD Himself that is the only one who can heal broken hearts and will ultimately dry up all tears and take away all pain? (Lk. 4:18; Rev. 21:4) Isn’t Jesus Christ the Savior? Or is Ricky Warren? Eternity is in the balance. The LORD Jesus and His apostles promised “much tribulation” in this era (Matt. 10:22; 24:10-13; Acts 14:23). When worshipped, Christ’s apostles ripped off their clothes and demanded that the people worship God and announced themselves to be mere sinful men (Acts 14:14). Yet, Warren says here that he “burst into tears” when he heard HIS book was doing such a work in the people of Africa…ppppffffffttttttt Then Warren boasts of the hundreds of Scriptures in his book and yet, he uses over a dozen different translations? WHY? Because he desires to convey to people HIS own message and doesn’t just let God Almighty speak for Himself by communicating His true and pure Word from the Authorized Version (KJV). Wolf!
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Does John 10:27-29 Prove “Eternal Security”?
WHO are Jesus’ Sheep? Defined by, in God’s Word.
John 10:27-29
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” ~ John 10:27-29
Verse 27 is the condition necessary to appropriate the promises of verses 28-29.
Those who believe that a man can never lose his salvation, use this John 10:28-29 text but ignore the prerequisite, the divinely given condition – v27. Watch this:
Firstly, in this passage Jesus identifies those sheep whom He makes the security promise to. He says, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” In this we see one part divine and two parts the responsibility of the individual:
- “I know them”—the divine part toward those who are truly in Christ, presently abiding (v. 27)
- Those who are His sheep “hear” His “voice” and “follow” Him—the individual’s responsibility (v. 27)
The promise to be kept is a conditional promise which requires that we choose to continue to hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27-29). Many today wrongly detach our LORD’s words in verse 27 from verses 28-29. In doing so, they perpetrate their “eternal security” mythology.
The problem for the eternal securists is that v27 has been intentionally been ignored…. It’s the actual condition Jesus gives for receiving the assurance promises He then gives in v28-29.
Those who seek to spread the “once saved always saved” heresy use John 10:28-29 to their advantage and conveniently ignore the preceding words of Christ in verse 27. Verses 28-29 are promises of security to those who have been genuinely born again and are currently abiding in Christ – hearing His voice and following Him (John 15:1-6). Many ignore the previous qualifying words (v. 27) of Jesus where Christ tells us that only those who are hearing His voice and following Him are promised that they are secure and will never perish. There is a condition to being secure in Christ—knowing Him—which requires continuing to abide in Him, hear His voice and follow Him (see also John 15).
“Jesus will neither leave us nor forsake us, but we can leave and forsake Him by choosing our sins OVER His love, grace and mercy!” Dino Filardo
Eternal securists have been taught to selectively interpret Scripture while ignoring mountains of Bible truth, in order to come to a predetermined conclusion.
Many a false teacher has built his own ministry empire dishonestly peddling this passage. Take a closer look. Anchor the promise to be kept in verses 28-29 on verse 27 where Jesus identifies who His sheep are – those who hear and continue to hear His voice and continue to follow Him (present tense). The promise to be kept is a glorious and yet conditional promise which requires that the individual recipient of the salvation gift of God chooses to continue to hear His voice and follow Him (John 10:27-29). Many today wrongly detach our LORD’s words in verse 27 from verses 28-29 of John 10. In doing so, they perpetrate their “eternal security” or otherwise called “once saved always saved” mythology. Beware as this was the first lie Satan told mankind, which led to the fall (Genesis 2:17; 3:4).
Instead of synthesizing the whole of Scripture, false teachers isolate certain verses for their own self-serving agenda and purpose (2 Corinthians 2:17, etc.).
The sheep Jesus’ promises are going to be kept are those who endure to the end, abide (remain) with Him (John 15:1-6). The Great Shepherd defines His sheep as those who are presently hearing His voice and following Him (present tense). John 10:27-29
It’s not difficult to mislead people in the direction of the sinful nature of their hearts – because then they can evade truly repenting which is a major life change and necessity for salvation. This is why Paul foretold of this hour and how men would “heap to themselves (false) teachers having itching ears.” (2 Timothy 4:3) “Itching ears” here represents unrepentant hearts.
OSAS people make a vain attempt at redefining the words of Scripture to fit their own self-serving agenda of lukewarmness, cross-less rebellion. For example they hyper-focus on “eternal” in the term “eternal life” while intentionally refusing to synthesize the whole of what Scripture states. They hyper-focus on the word “gift” and teach that a gift could never be lost which the rest of Scripture does not agree with. They then take the word “sealed” and make it to be permanent which it cannot possibly be because the same Greek word for “sealed” is used of Jesus’ tomb which we all know was NOT permanently sealed (Matthew 27:66). In this they bear false witness against the LORD and act like some Scriptures are more divinely inspired than others. This practice reveals the evil and deceit of their own hearts. Not just some Scripture in the Bible but rather “ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God…” (2 Timothy 3:16-17) It must all be synthesized, put together, compared (1 Corinthians 2:13). Error will result in the hearts and lives of those who do not search, study, and revere “ALL scripture” in God’s Word.
Eternal security deceivers don’t want to talk about Bible verses that contradict and expose their proof texts. You see, they don’t want to get awaken by the truth to the scam they’ve bought into. The wolves who they gullibly believe instead of God’s Word, taught them to cry “context, context” all while THEY are the beguilers who are taking Scripture out of context. Just like the demonic democrats in America, they accuse their adversaries of the exact thing THEY themselves are guilty of (Romans 2:1-3).
YOU are defending OSAS and yet you gave no Bible verses? Self-deception. If “once saved always saved” were true, WHY O WHY didn’t God tell us? Such a term, phrase, or concept appear no where in Scripture and the verses you use to “prove” it are taken out of their context. OSAS is undeniably the very first lie Satan ever told and it led to the fall of mankind from a HOLY God (Genesis 2:17; 3:4). If OSAS isn’t a doctrine of devils, nothing is! (1 Timothy 4:1-2)
Is the unchanging, Almighty God no longer “Holy, holy, holy” now that He sent His only begotten Son? (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8) If He’s still holy, no unrepentant person with sin will enter His holy Heaven (Revelation 21:8, 27, etc.).
“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” Hebrews 12:14
HOW is it that so many treat the words of JESUS recorded in John 10 more divinely authoritative than the words of JESUS recorded in John 15? False teachers.
Most of the dupes who cite John 10:28-29 to “prove” they can never lose their salvation, 1. Don’t even know what the preceding verse says (v27), and 2. Have no clue what JESUS says in John 15:6.
“If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6
In this John 10 passage used by the unconditional eternal security crew to peddle their wares, some neglect to look closely at verse 27 to see who Jesus was specifically speaking to when He promised “they shall never perish.” “They” refers to those who “hear my voice” and “follow me.” According to verse 27 the promise of eternal security is conditional. Assurance of salvation is only to those who are presently following Christ. In verse 27 we learn that protection from judgment to come is only to those who are currently 1) hearing His voice, 2) known by Him, and 3) following Him. This is consistent with the message seen in the whole of Holy Writ.
“For if AFTER they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, AFTER they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit AGAIN; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22
WHO did Jesus say His true sheep are?
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (Jn. 10:27). According to these words of Christ, those who “know” Jesus and “follow” Him are given the promise that they will “never perish.” As long as the follower hears His voice and follows Him, they are assured “eternal life.” This is exactly what the Son of God taught just a few chapters later in John 15 where He says that if a branch that is in Him does not remain or abide in Him, that person will be cut off and cast into the fire (hell).
Those who abide or remain under the shadow of His holy and protective wing shall remain secure in Him (Ps. 91:1). The Good Shepherd here said: “Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” No man can pluck us out of His protection except ourselves by our own decisions. We who are abiding are protected from the snare of other men drawing us away as we remain walking with the Son of God. If you’re tucked, you won’t get plucked. If you’re not tucked under the wing of intimacy with Jesus, you will, can, and are likely to be plucked out of His holy hand by your own sinful unbelief. The LORD told us “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown” (Rev. 3:11).
It’s also notable that those who emphasize John 10 to convince themselves and others that they are “eternally secure”, don’t even know much less acknowledge the words of the Savior in John 15:1-6.
Telling.
“If a man abide (remain) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” John 15:6
Jesus taught repeatedly that some would not continue to follow Him (“abide”) and hear His voice and would consequently “fall away.” There is record of some who once believed and then stopped believing (Lk. 8:13; 13:23-30; Jn. 6:66; Acts 8:14-23).
WHY do eternal securists get all upset when their fairy tale is exposed? Well, they are hiding behind the thin veneer of this heresy, feeling all secure, emboldened to live as they please, feeling assured in their lukewarmness and sin … denying Jesus instead of self, refusing to take up the cross that Jesus commanded all who would follow Him truly (Luke 9:23-24). Christ’s apostle Paul speaks of self-serving “enemies of the cross of Christ.” (Philippians 3:18-19) What’s behind this myth? The Psychology of Eternal Security [book]
Another Example of the Twisting of Scripture
The eternal securists seek to justify their OSAS heresy by misusing the following passage…. but in this Paul is speaking of those who go to Heaven, the judgment of saints, and not those who fell away and won’t be there because they will be in hell. They will not be present when this happens….
“Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
One More….
Common Objection to Conditional Eternal Security….
“What about Romans 8:38-39 where it says nothing can separate us from the love of God?”
REPLY:
Simple: Notice the word LOVE not life. God will love us all the way into hell if we choose not to repent. His soul will even “weep in secret places for your pride” which comes before destruction (Jeremiah 13:17). The LORD is “Holy, holy, holy,” He’s just, and He will not ever coexist with sin. See the fall of lucifer (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-19; Luke 10:18). The wages of sin is still death and the LORD will damn every soul that dies in sin, with no exception (Psalms 5:4; Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Romans 6:23; Revelation 4:8; 21:8; 22:11, etc.). Read Jesus’s parable of the prodigal son Lk 15. Did the father love and miss his son? Yes. Did the father (represents God) go chase him down? No. The son who departed had to choose to return. Much truth there. Speaking of Romans, read 11:20-22. Now read 2 Peter 2:20-22 and the book of Hebrews.
1 John 2:19 is often also utilized to “prove” eternal security. Not.
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:19
Interestingly, the word “never” does not appear in this verse above which is so often used to “prove” OSAS. Let’s read it again with an objective mind. And, also remember what Jesus says about the primary importance of His teaching of the seed and the soil, the sower and the Word:
“And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?” Mark 4:13
The honest student of the whole Counsel of God’s Word knows that numerous clear Bible truths reveal that a saved person can turn away from the LORD, so we know that the apostle John could not possibly be saying that a saved person could never depart from the LORD. In my opinion, this verse is the best argument the eternal security proponent has, yet it’s not enough. There must be two or three witnesses and not just one (2 Cor. 13:1). After a closer examination of this text, one will find that verse 19 does not teach or justify “once saved always saved.” When any one verse is taken to the exclusion of the whole Word of God, one will certainly misunderstand the doctrine of the LORD which can only be apprehended by “study.” (2 Tim. 2:15) This verse is like any other verse of Scripture – it must be taken in light of the entire Counsel of God. The context to be considered is 1 John 2:18-29).
In examining the context in which 1 John 2:19 is set, we see that false teachers whom John calls “many antichrists,” had come and were telling these believers that Jesus was not the Christ (v22).
Let’s look at verses 18 and 19 together:
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:18-19
Note here that it is specifically of these “antichrists” that John speaks and says that “if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
John was speaking of those who were once saved but then departed from the faith (1 Tim 4:1), they believed and then fell away (Luke 8:12-13) …. then departed from the believers in that fellowship.
Teddy Caldwell writes:
“OSAS insists that those are professing believers, but 1 John 2:18 says such people are antichrists. 1 John 2:22 says an antichrist is one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Anyone who does that isn’t a believer and isn’t even trying to look like one.”
Concerning 1 John 2:19, Donald Stamps, in the Life in the Spirit Study Bible, writes:
“‘THEY WENT OUT FROM US.’ When the antichrists departed from their fellowship with true believers, they were not in a saving relationship with Christ. This allows for two possibilities: (1) They were never true believers to begin with, or (2) they had once been in a saving relationship with Christ but afterward abandoned their faith in Christ.”
Right here in verse 24 of this passage we see the doctrine of personal responsibility to “remain” in faithful obedience to the LORD or lose one’s place with God (1 Cor. 15:2; Gal. 6:9; Col. 1:23). This is a teaching found throughout Holy Writ – the divine requirement to stay saved or lose all in eternity, “suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude 7)
“Let that therefore abide (remain) in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. IF (denotes condition) that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.” 1 John 2:24-25
Verse 24 alone tells us that we cannot think that verse 19 means that someone who is at some point in right standing with God can never depart from Him and lose out. Also, verse 25 tells us that “eternal life” (not just rewards) is at stake and the promise contingent upon the believer abiding or remaining in that “which ye have heard from the beginning” which is the Gospel. “Eternal life” is assured as long as one is remaining rooted in Jesus Christ. This is the overwhelmingly consistent message of God’s Word.
In verse 26 John says “These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.” Verse 19 is written about the deceivers who sought to “seduce” these disciples John was addressing and not of true believers.
With all of Scripture in consideration, we can conclude that 1 John 2:19 is a specific example and not a rule of doctrine.
If you truly wish to search out this matter, let me encourage you to closely examine, break down and study this entire text (1 Jn. 2:18-29). In order to ascertain truth, one must compare the verse in question with all other related Scriptures, beginning with the context in which the verse is set (Isa. 28:9-10; 1 Cor. 2:13).
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“Epaphras’ prayer is a powerful New Testament model of intercession found in Colossians 4:12. As the founder of the church in Colossae, Epaphras is described by the Apostle Paul as ‘wrestling’ or ‘laboring earnestly’ in prayer so that his congregation would stand mature, firm, and fully assured in the will of God.”
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“1 And again he entered into Capernaum after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house.
2 And straightway many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive them, no, not so much as about the door: and he preached the word unto them.
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5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.” Mark 2:1-12
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