“Maybe we should use our efforts to fight the enemy instead of each other… Guys everyone’s growing and learning.. Its amazing how we as the body always attack other parts of the body instead of helping it by praying and nurturing it. We may call him a false teacher but I don’t believe everyone is up to par with what we all want. Please pray for these men. God is a lot bigger than our efforts put together. James 3:16 … Bring it to Jesus everyone. We don’t beat up the child dying of cancer, Maybe they are false teachers but maybe they don’t believe they are and if they are deceived its our responsibility to pray for them and show them the truth. Our response to these men show where we are as believers. Maybe we are using out tongues of power and instead of speaking life and truth into the situation we are using our mouths to speak death to our brothers. Maybe we are the reason they are the way they are because we are not speaking life with our tongues but death. I feel the love all over the children of God right now with all this life speaking. Pray for them people do something about it by speaking life. When you talk trash you create trash. To Jesus be all the glory… I pray for these men because I love God and his children. One day you will be in error.. we all will be at some point but it does not give anyone the right to curse anyone. Only God has that right sir. What is in the heart will always be brought out into the open. God bless you.“
Hi … There is no excuse or can be no tolerance for any of us not preaching the original Gospel (2 Timothy 4:1-4). We all have a Bible! All who do not preach the original Gospel are “accursed.” (Gal. 1:6-9) Regrettably, you do not see the enemy that is working within (Ps 74:3-4, 7; Acts 20:29-31). The great apostle Paul cried for 3 whole years knowing that these vile, sheep-destroying wolves would be entering in “among” Christ’s flock and here you are seeking to defend them and cover for these devils. Who is right and who is wrong? I go with Paul – “Let God be true and EVERY man a liar.” (Romans 3:4) God is calling you to repent before it’s too late. These evil men are warlocks who have invaded that which calls itself the church. Read God’s Word and your eyes will be opened …. cease following Christ’s very enemies who claim to be representing Him while underhandedly mis-representing Him. Ps 74:3-4, 7; Matt. 7:15; 24:3-5, 11, 24; Acts 20:29-31; 1 John 4:1; 2 Cor. 11:12-15, etc. …. these men are not the body of Christ. They are the very wolves Christ and His holy apostles warned us repeatedly about. Jesus told us to go to a BROTHER if there is a problem (Matt. 18:15-17) but these men are not brother – they are Christ’s enemies – wolves. Paul names 8 of these beguilers by name in just 4 chapters (2 Timothy chapters 1-4). We are not to speak life to devils like this but rather mandated to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints against these “ungodly men.” (Jude 3-4). Unfortunately, it seems they have trained you well. Never mind what you or I feel, let’s repent and obey God’s Word. People who defend such wolves are going to be judged with them and have no concern for the millions they are leading to hell. It’s time to die to self and take up the cross and obey Jesus and cease the false sham we are calling love here (Proverbs 27:5-6). Naming Names: Is it Biblical?
Where ever I am biblically in error, I wish to be shown. All men fail morally …. we are talking about preaching the truth or lies….. there can be no liberty in such. Listen to divine authority:
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Tim. 4:1-4
God says they are “accursed” so should we call Him a liar? Should we despised the Almighty? “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Gal. 1:6-9 Let your faith come only from the full counsel of Scripture friend.
What is in our hearts IS here and now being manifested … and the LORD is calling you to truly repent and do things His way and not your own … for now you have a convoluted, made-up religious perspective which differs from what Holy Scripture truly teaches.” Are We to Defend or Expose Wolves?
“Where was the Biblical Sabbath changed to Sunday? Or is it still Saturday?”
NT Christians seemed to celebrate “on the first day of the week” Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 16:2 …. We both know Colossians 2:!4-17 which make it clear that we are to worship daily and so what day we gather as a body is not important to God under the New Covenant. Christ Himself is our Sabbath rest under the New Testament – Of course sabbath means rest and we rest in Christ from the works of the Law. We cease attempting to righteous by law and rest in Christ’s finished sacrifice for our sins, which was perfect (Romans 3:28; 4:4-5; 10:4; Gal, 2:16). SDA (Seventh Day Adventist) Cult Exposed.
Someone can be in error on some of their teaching and will see later they are wrong.
You are in error in some of your beliefs that doesn’t make you a wolf. I am just saying don’t be too quick throwing labels around. God knows the heart of man. A wolf purposely and knowingly deceives.”REPLY:
—- Any person who believes, teaches, and goes so far as to defend OSAS – unconditional eternal security – is an “ungodly man” according to God’s Word (Jude 3-4). The true body of Christ earnestly contends against such wolves and is commanded to “reject” heretics who refuse to repent after being confronted (Titus 3:9-11) – “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Jude 3-4)
Beware of Wolf Defense | Joel Osteen
Beloved, make sure you examine AND cross-examine all supposed “expose'” and doctrine being communicated. Upon beginning to have our eyes opened by the LORD to the many false teachings we have been taught and that are circulating, often we can be vulnerable to espousing yet a equally dangerous falsehood and become entangled with wolves. Discovering error can cause people to leave that error that is now revealed as false to them only to migrate to yet another error and to some of the vilest of wolves. See Galatians 2:4-5; Acts 20:29; Jude 3-4; Psalms 74:4, 7; 1 Thessalonians 5:21. Beware: Some who pose as watchmen are the worst kind of wolves, spying on the true remnant as Satan’s infiltrators, set upon ravaging the “little flock” of Jesus (Luke 12:32; 2 Corinthians 11:12-15).
“Prove (examine, test) all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thessalonians 5:21
There are a lot of people who want attention and are willing to do nearly anything to get it, including deceive and mislead you. They come in as the “hero,” showing you one error, only to move you over into another many times worse error.
“Let God God be true and EVERY man a liar.” Romans 3:4
Will you “let God be true and every man a liar”? If so, His written Word is your final authority.
God’s written Word is final authority, not mere men or a mere sinful man. Search and hold to it beloved. This is your only safety (Proverbs 30:5).
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove (expose), rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turne
Have you ever attended the meetings, seen or read the books, heard the tapes, or visited the sites with the supposed prophetic words given from self-appointed prophets and apostles? It takes little reading to see that these guys do not represent the LORD at all as they suppose, but they do use His holy name in vain by attaching it to their own false visions and false burdens (Lam. 2:14). Like the false prophets of old, their messages are missing the elements of the true prophets and the LORD’s message. Most of it is flattery. Are these things to be addressed by God-fearing men?
“And they (true servant-leaders) shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean. And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.” Ezekiel 44:23-24
The disciple who studies to show himself approved unto God, will rightly divide what is true and what is false. The one who knows and uses the written Word, “the more sure word of prophecy”, will not be deluded by the fancy speeches of these false apostles and false prophets who speak the vision of their own deceived hearts to be seen of men (Heb. 5:11-14; 2 Pet. 1:16-21). The LORD has magnified and lifted His Word ABOVE even His own name, so where does that leave the words of mere men who are in their very best state – “altogether vanity”? (Ps. 39:5; 138:2) If we truly honor the LORD and uphold His holy Word as final authority, we will cease to be impressed by the words of mere men.
“Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.” Proverbs 25:14
Isn’t it time we cease from defending these false prophets and instead, begin to violently uncover the darkness of these emissaries of the devil who are leading millions astray? (2 Cor. 11:13-15) Where do you stand? “With” OR “against” Jesus Christ? (Matt. 12:30)
“Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?” Psalms 94:16
See something wrong with this statement?
Keith Abrahams says: “I think the issue of women (in ministry) is very, very important in the end time church. I think it is very biblical – in the past there has been a lot of controversy over it. Lots of women have been put down in the church. But I believe that in the church of the last days we are going to have a lot of women (in ministry). I just returned from Europe, and I had the opportunity to speak with a pastor from the Ukraine. Most of the people on his apostolic team, in the largest church in Europe, are women. Now I think we need to back up (re-examine) Scripture . . .”
Our response: Notice how he starts off – “I think…” Who cares what this false prophet thinks? Do you? Concerning each and every issue, the one who is true to Christ asks “What saith the Scriptures?” Aren’t the Holy Scriptures the primary way God leads His New Testament people? See 2 Tim. 3:16. According to Keith Abrahams, the Jezebelian apostasy Jesus foretold us would revive in the churches in the last days, is now the measure of truth – especially in the nations of Europe which have largely rejected the truth for centuries now? See Revelation 2:18-29. Has Abrahams never read about the “more noble” believers at Berea who tested what even the apostle Paul stated against the Holy written Word? Did Paul arrogantly complain that someone would dare question him or his teaching? Not for a minute! (Acts 17:10-11)
One of the qualifications to be an elder in the kingdom of God is that one must be “the HUSBAND of one WIFE.” (1 Tim. 3:2) Can anyone tell us how that any woman possibly be “the HUSBAND of one wife?” In the same list of qualifications, we also read that the overseer must be “One that ruleth well HIS own house, having HIS children in subjection with all gravity.” (1 Tim. 3:4) Can anyone produce even one single verse in the New Testament canon which refers to a woman as an elder or overseer or bishop or apostle, prophet, evangelist of teacher? This doesn’t mean women don’t have gifts and ministry callings, but their role (not significance) is unique and different that that which God made man to fulfill. Why don’t we just do things God’s way – by simply adhering to His Word? It seems that there is a great lack of backbone among so many men who are in leadership. So many faint-hearted spiritual pansies are always trying to follow the least line of resistance and pander to the spirit of Jezebel in certain women who demand authority. Axe to the root!
Beware of the Apostolic Roundtable organization which is the nesting place for false apostles and false prophets.
“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 10-11
Does this guy and this foolishness need any explanation?
Todd Bentley: “Somebody emailed our ministry and asked a valid question. He said, “Todd, you are going to have all these men – prophets and apostles – get together and talk about the emerging apostolic movement. My fear would be that there wouldn’t be a representation of the Goths, the Punks and the Ravers – the whole underground world that God is moving in today – the movement that offends and scares most people in the church. You know – the punked and colored hair with all the earrings and piercings in every part of the body. Is there not room for true apostle and prophets in that sub-culture? From that question I realized that we need to be very careful in the whole new emerging (apostolic) movement, not to just package it how we think it should look. I am going to make some statements now: There are punk apostles; there are biker prophets; there are ravers that are apostles; there are skinheads that are part of this prophetic movement…I don’t have any here right now. I’d be the closest thing. We must not forget that these (sub-cultures) have a voice in this whole prophetic movement too. The teenage apostles and the teenage prophets are being raised up, and it’s also happening in other spheres of life too.”
“These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.” 2 Peter 2:17-19
At a recent conference, Jim Goll said: “In the beginning of the book of Acts, Jesus went about doing and then teaching, so this night there has been an example set before this great congregation (referring to himself and another self-appointed prophet). There has been an example of doing and teaching. And the Lord says this is the model of the book of Acts of the Apostles. For there has been the calling for the strategic keys of an apostolic age to be released (total deception). The Lord would say that this is significant, that this is important. That this consecration would occur in the middle of this celebration, for it is a doing and a teaching. It’s a catching of fish and a releasing of them to go forth and to multiply. And the Lord would say to you Todd, “I am going to surround you with elders. I am going to surround you with the elders of My counsel. I am going to bring them around you, those that are even twice your age and even some that are three times your age. I am going to bring them around you, both men and women, and they are going to be a safety net. They are going to be put around you for the birthing canal of which you are, and they will look in upon you, and they will wonder, and they will be fascinated, and they will wonder how in the world is all this happening in five years.”
Todd’s Response: Note this deceptive statement slipped in here: “For there has been the calling for the strategic keys of an apostolic age to be released.” Whose “calling”? Where did the LORD tell us there is “the calling for the strategic keys of an apostolic age”? Do you know why these brood of false apostles and false prophets all say things like this? It’s simple – THEY are those people who are to rule over everyone else. Interestingly they themselves prophesy themselves into prominence, taking the name of the LORD in vain by placing it upon the dreams and visions of their own hearts. Remember that it was John the Baptist who announced the coming of Jesus and not He Himself (Matt. 3:3; Jn. 1:29).
If you have ever wondered about the gold teeth fillings and gold dust manifestations, you will never wonder again after this page, which includes a historical sketch of the occultic roots of this phenomenon. Gold Rush – End-Time Lying Signs & Wonders http://nwo-warning.tripod.com/gold-rush.htm
“These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.” Jude 12-13
Dialogue with pastor concerning Rick Warren:
It is truly regrettable to see those in leadership today so zealous to read other men’s words while neglecting the words of God. This manifests itself in that so many churches today have programs which virtually never feature the study of a book of the Bible but rather a book or media production from a mere human author (many who are adding to or taking away from the Word of God). Where is the discipleship in the Word? (2 Tim. 2:15; 3:15-4:4) No wonder such deception and deceit abounds in the visible church world (Matt. 24:10-13). Today, the spiritual empty apostate leadership in the visible American church world has learned well how to read what someone else says about the Bible and to follow trends and fad books from best-selling mere human authors. Take a look below at a recent dialogue I had with the pastor of a large congregation concerning fad book author Rick Warren. I had referred this pastor to our page on Rick Warren and here is his response and mine:
RESPONSE FROM THE PASTOR:
- “Todd: Rick Warren has been used of God to lead thousands of people to saving faith in Christ. I would be very careful in labeling him a false prophet. Jesus said, “You shall know them by their fruits” (Matthew 7:16). Based on the fruit in his life and ministry, I would call him a true follower of Jesus Christ. Does he do it all perfectly? No… but neither do you and neither do I. Would to God that you and I had ministries that brought untold thousands of people from “the domain of darkness to the Kingdom of His beloved Son” (Col. 1:13)” J. S. Pastor, FBC
- “Thanks Brother Jeff…God bless you in His truth and peace brother. Thanks for emailing.
Does Warren even give the Gospel in his purpose book? Does he boldly and fervently call men to repentance before a holy God as John the Baptist and Jesus did – Matt. 3:4; 4:17. “Repent” was the very first word they each preached. They didn’t preach “believe” first but rather “repent”. Neither did they seek to draw men using entertainment. Remember, hirelings entertain goats while true under-shepherds feed Christ’s sheep and unwaveringly preach the original Gospel.
Did you realize that Warren was trained under Robert Schuller, a known false prophet? and he uses his methods and philosophies today….Warren is on the cutting edge of the seeker-sensitive movement which has removed repentance and therefore the alter call to call men to repent) and turned to entertainment in order to draw the nickles, noses and numbers. Jesus commanded His true followers to preach repentance (Lk. 24:47). He said it was essential to salvation (Lk. 13:3,5). This alone should prove the lack of genuine Bible fruit in Warren’s ministry. Preaching repentance is not conducive to drawing and keeping crowds so it is simply removed by the enterprising circus leaders of our day who are fashioning a “christianity” in their own image. Jesus help us before it is too late – Matt. 7:15-29.
Brother Jeff, this is how I see it after much observation so have no problem marking him in order to warn others and see Christ’s sheep protected – which is the mandate of every true servant of Jesus (Rom. 16:17-18; Col. 1:27-29; 2:8,18-19; Acts 20:27-32, Jude 3-4, etc.). Paul marked 8 men by name in the 4 chapters of 2 Timothy – “Naming Names – Is It Biblical?” Jesus is Coming, todd
Personally, I refuse to follow or fall into the politically correct silence of those who refuse to cry wolf on the wolves who operate in our midst and deceive and damn souls (Isa. 9:6; Ezek. 22:25, 27; Rom. 16:17-18; Col. 2:8). They must be marked as commanded by the LORD. Spiritual cowards who do not want to lose their lives (reputations) in their circles (among men) appear to have forsaken Jesus and His truth for the admiration of mere men (Mk. 8:34; Lk. 6:26; Gal. 1:10; 4:16; Jude 1:16).
Saints, the sad thing is that those who protect, defend and support these fad authors/works of fire-consumable stubble have made popular their works which do not present the true Gospel clearly given in the whole of Scripture (Hos. 4:6). Where is the discernment? Where are the Berean believers of this hour! (Acts 17:10-11) Those who fund these ministries are making them financially wealthy while many times those in the trenches who like Jesus care for several and also that one wayward sheep, and communicate the whole counsel of the Word, go hungry.
PRAYER: LORD Jesus, bless us never to fund the work of those who turn aside from Thee and lead others astray with deception and lies, crassly denying and ignoring Your precious precepts. Nay rather bless us to get behind and push upwardly those works and Gospel workers true to Your Word and Holy Spirit. Amen.
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