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DIABOLICAL WOLF John Calvin stated: “Every addition to His word is a lie.” Regrettably, John Calvin added much to God’s Word and took an increasing amount of his false teachings from a catholic named Augustine. Check this out:

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Question Received:

“Just curious what you make of these verses….don’t they suggest Judas was never saved?

John 6:70-71: Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)  Also, Jesus is here below speaking to the disciples. Doesn’t this prove Judas was never saved? Where am I going wrong?

John 6:64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.”

Reply:

Hope you are well brother Johnny. Well, that certainly would not be conclusive because by then Judas may have turned to the darkness of sin and so Jesus was calling him a devil. What we do know for sure is that Jesus promised His “twelve” and not eleven an eternal place with Him in Heaven (Matt. 19:28). Since God gives us free will, Judas chose to betray the Son of God. The Truth about Judas

Yes brother …. this is a good discussion and there will be nothing but God’s love … many times people confuse predestination with “the foreknowledge of God”… He knows all things, including what decisions people will make….. yet He “cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempeth he any man.” (James 1:13) The LORD made it clear that He does not force man’s will.

Question Received:

Todd, I am writing a 5000 word dissertation soon and I am thinking about writing it on the five points of Calvinism. Arguing for and against then summarizing with my own conclusions. Could you advise me on any material and would this book be suitable? As you have probably guessed I am not a Calvinist.” Neil

Reply:

Hi Neil. Well glad to hear you are not a calvinist. My book “Lie of the Ages” may be a good source to look at and/or quote from …. I have several profound and historically significant quotes throughout the book from others …..I’d be happy to email you the pdf free of course ….. also there are many posts on this topic here.

Question Received:

Are Calvinists believers in OSAS? I thought these were different people who believed these two different things.”

Reply

The “P” in the 5 point TULIP of calvinsm is “Perseverence of the saints” which is essentially OSAS.

So yes they are kissing cousins.

Message Received:

“I like Paul Washer but you say he’s a calvinist? You mean he believes infants who die will go to hell for eternity if they aren’t one of “the elect”? Wow!

Reply:

That’s what calvinists believe sister …. and this is the deep concern … when pressed, off the record, and even on record, Washer admits he is a 5 point calvinist …. watch the video of him on the post and you will see that in one of them he admits to being a “5 point spurgeonist” which means calvinist and in the other, he’s being filmed while he speaks behind the scenes and you can see he has no foundation and is a calvinist …. Calvinism Exposed
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calvinism ungodly men diabolical satan—- DEMON INSPIRED CALVINISTS are willing to go to ANY length of evil deceit to justify the rank heresies they have bought into. WHY? It’s all rooted in personal, heart steeped rebellion. They refuse to lay down their lives, deny themselves, and take up the cross to follow Jesus as He commanded and so will stop at nothing to twist Scripture and parrot their wolf handlers to justify their fairy tale falsehoods. After all, to believe the truth would be to lose their own lives. Think about that. These are the very people who have a mere “form of godliness but deny the power (authority)” of the LORD to reign in their personal lives. They are said to be “lovers of their own selves” and “lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.” (2 Timothy 3:1-6)
 
Watch this example of Scripture violence:
 
calvinism cultFROM ERIC LITTLE:
“He did not tell Judas that he would be in Heaven. He said, those of you who follow Me. Judas did not follow Jesus. Judas rejected Christ. If Jesus told Judas he was going to be in Heaven, then Judas would be in Heaven. And if Jesus told him that, that would make Jesus a liar. He is no liar. You are twisting the Scripture again bro. I encourage all who read this to go read the Scripture that Todd quoted. He is misrepresenting God’s Word. And some of you say amen. You people need to be like those that Paul commended – the Bereans.”
 
REPLY:
Judas sure was promised a place in Heaven (Matt 19:28). I understand that you don’t like that because you are not an honest man Eric, yet that’s what it states.
 
“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon TWELVE thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matt 19:28 Judas was already following Jesus. We just read where Jesus says to the 12 – “ye which HAVE followed me.”
 
12 Not 11
 
It is undeniably on record that Jesus Christ promised Judas an eternal throne in Heaven.
 
“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon TWELVE (not 11) thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matthew 19:28
 
osas calvinismWas Judas one of the twelve original apostles of Jesus Christ? It is irrefutable that the Son of God promised his “twelve,” not eleven, eternal thrones in His heavenly kingdom. Judas, who was one of the “twelve,” was promised an eternal throne, yet “by transgression” fell and went to hell. Judas kissed the very Gate of Heaven, and turned and went to hell, given over to and driven by demons he ended his own life.
 
Judas was chosen by Christ Himself as one of His very twelve, yet Judas wasn’t hell-proof. Judas wasn’t “once saved always saved.” Judas was not given a spiritual asbestos suit. It is undeniably on record that Jesus Christ promised Judas an eternal throne in Heaven and so, the OSAS-er and calvinist are dead wrong to believe Judas was never a true child of God. Jesus chose him to the highest office in the church and told him he’d be in Heaven (Matthew 19:28). God’s promises are conditional. Judas chose to rebel and the promise was revoked as it was for Israel and many others throughout biblical history, beginning with Lucifer.
 
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Calvinism Destroyed by Holy Scripture

The “ungodly men” of calvinistic heresies stand or fall on Judas. They come out of the wood works to defend Judas and seek to fabricate the lie that Judas was never ever right with God. This easily dis-proven in Scripture.

The Absurd Falsehoods of Calvinism/Reformed Theology

Ricky Gantz Well brother I don’t have a lot of time right at this point to talk long.

What are your objections to Calvinism? Which of the Five Points do you disagree with?

Todd Tomasella All 5 points of calvinism are false friend. They are all based on a completely false premise and it’s a extra-biblical system of theology which alone makes it false. We must go directly into God’s Word and cease to be influenced by so called church fathers and reformers….who got their theology from catholic augustine. John Calvin was a mass murderer, a despotic ruler, and a major heretic. I invite you to look over the link above when you can. Rom. 2:11 alone destroys all of Calvinism ….

 Todd Tomasella No one learns Calvinism from God’s Word. They learn it from mere men whom they’ve esteemed higher than God Himself. Those men impose these heretical points upon the Scriptures, twisting and ignoring mountains of truth in order to peddle their wares and attempt to make palatable their heresy.

Todd Tomasella ****Calvinism is a cult no different than Mormonism where the Holy Bible is placed under an extra-biblical book. To Mormons and Calvinists, God’s Word is demoted – it is not final authority. For the Mormons it’s the Book of Mormon and for the Calvinists it’s John Calvin’s writings which are clearly “another gospel” and “accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9)

Todd Tomasella What I say is only to help you. Calvinism is not Christianity … in fact, its father is the arch enemy of the LORD. Calvinism paints the image of a sadistic demon not God …

Todd Tomasella I’m praying for you Ricky.

 

 David Zane Jones You make it sound as though people earnestly want to follow Jesus and for some reason God is saying No. Quite the opposite, no man would want to have anything to do with Jesus if not for God drawing men unto Himself.
  • Ricky Gantz Actually my friend I did learn Calvinism through exposition of God’s Word preached verse by verse. To be fair and honest we all have presuppositions that we bring to the table to study God’s Word my friend. And by doing that we are influenced by those who have taught us.


    When I first was truly born again I listened to and still do to this day listen to preaching and teaching and the audio bible for like 6 hours a day. Examining what I am taught by the scriptures and believe the Doctrines of Grace are the most biblical understanding of God’s Word, however I don’t think if someone doesn’t hold to that they are not a brother or sister in Christ. I actually go to a non-Calvinist church and love my pastor even though we disagree on this.

    But in fairness we have to be honest in our reasons against a position and not make the same old attacks against Calvin, let’s look at the scripture.

    Here let me ask you brother, how do you reconcile the fact that we have free will to choose God and yet God knows all things? He knows who will choose Him and who will not, why then does God create those He knows will not choose Him?

    Todd Tomasella David, yes God initiates and draws men and yet He does not force or coerce anyone to choose to repent and receive Christ … which Calvinism erroneously teaches.

 

Todd Tomasella Ricky Gantz you said: “Actually my friend I did learn Calvinism through exposition of Gods word preached verse by verse.” And this makes my point. You sat under false teaching from a mere man who imposed this 5 pointed heresy upon your mind.

 

Ricky Gantz So God fails in His drawing of men?

 

Todd Tomasella He did it systematically.

 

Todd Tomasella God never forces anyone…. and so I would ask you, does God exclude people before they have a chance to respond?
 

Ricky Gantz Actually I listened to lots of preaching some Calvinist and some not and the church I attended during this time was not

David Zane Jones So Todd, you believe then that God Predestines all men to eternal life?

Ricky Gantz What does that even mean Todd?

Todd Tomasella What do you think makes you so special over the rest of God’s equally sinful children? How about a desire to get to know Him of your own free will? There must be a differentiating factor. A just God cannot remain just by choosing who He will save from a mob of equally sinful children. They should either all burn or all go to heaven, right? After all, all men are equally sinful in His holy eyes. Furthermore, what love is there in a God who saves some children for no special reason, knowing in advance that He would send the rest to hell? Yet, somehow He loves us?

Todd Tomasella The truth is, that God has to have a reason for choosing you to be saved. There must be something that sets you apart from all the other equally sinful children. That would be your free will and decision to respond to His drawing, repent, put your faith in Christ, and follow him.
Todd Tomasella David, yes He sure does … In Satan’s masterpiece of DE-formed theology (Calvinism), there is the “U” of the terrible TULIP. The “U” stands for “unconditional election” where God is said to have preselected certain people to go to Heaven and certain to suffer eternally in hell. This is in the face of the fact that Jesus told us that He was going to “draw ALL men” to Himself when He went to that cross (John 12:32). Christ’s apostle John later told us that Jesus Christ “is the propitiation (atoning sacrifice) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD.” (1 John 2:2)
 
David Zane Jones There is…………it is called His choice…….He alone has that right.
 

Todd Tomasella DID JESUS TELL US HE WAS GOING TO GO TO THE CROSS AND DRAW SOME OR ALL MEN? – “And I, if I be lifted up (on the cross) from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.” John 12:32-33

Todd Tomasella “ALL men”

 

Todd Tomasella So Jesus died for “all men” and yet didn’t intend to save “all men”? John 12:32

 

David Zane Jones Ok Todd, let’s for a moment say this is true, in that scenario who then is Sovereign?
Todd Tomasella No person in history who has been saved and then honestly began to study Holy Scripture has ever come out with the conclusions of Calvinism. It’s simply not there. The mind has to be led, conditioned, seduced, and made to believe such things as the terribly twisted TULIP that John Calvin taught. To believe such things is to defy the LORD who bled for “ALL men,” gave us choice, and is “holy, holy, holy.” (Isa. 6:3; 1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pet. 3:9; 1 Jn. 2:2). Then after one has been conditioned in his thinking to believe Calvin’s falsehoods, he is led to see things through the twisted mindset of Reformed theology and so he then imposes that belief system on Scripture, making God out to be a liar. This whole system teaches men how not to take God at His Word, especially the whole counsel of His Word.
 

Ricky Gantz If you take that to its logical conclusion and if Jesus died for all man and he is the propitiation which means the satisfaction, the appeasement of the wrath of God, and he died for all men, its logical conclusion would make you Universalist or the work of Christ on the cross was not sufficient.

David Zane Jones God or man?

 

Todd Tomasella This is all my stuff BTW …. have written a book refuting this evil … Calvin’s Cowards …
The Calvinist selectively decides, against Scripture, what “sovereignty” really looks like or means. Like a bunch of little whining pansies, if you touch the evi
l falsehoods of deformed theology, the dupes come out in droves to defend their “right” to have no personal responsibility. They are moral cowards who hide behind the thin, temporal veneer of this unscriptural theology of sinful men and Satan himself. It’s a doctrine of devils (1 Tim. 4:1-3). You see, that’s what this evil system of theology does – it says that God does EVERYTHING “sovereignly” and so man can do nothing and therefore is not accountable. That’s exactly what Satan told the first man and woman – “Ye shall NOT surely die” if you disobey God (Gen. 2:17; 3:4). The enemy of souls promised the first man and woman that God would not judge them if they disobeyed Him (which was a choice). But God kept His Word and kicked them out of His holy presence – they were “cut off” and had to be restored by blood and their own repentance. You are fooling no one except yourself. “They that observe lying vanities (like Calvinism) forsake their own mercies.” (Jonah 2:8)
Todd Tomasella God sovereignly chose to give man the choice … and His will is that all would be saved: “Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” 1 Tim 2:

Ricky Gantz So then you’re Universalist?

David Zane Jones So man alone decides to either go to Heaven or pass and weigh his chances? How does that even align with “With men that is impossible but with God all things are possible?

David Zane Jones Todd why did you choose the right path and men in Hell chose the wrong path? Are you smarter than them? More spiritual? What then is the difference?

 

Todd Tomasella Ricky, you are acting evil now to suggest I am a Universalist.

 

Todd Tomasella The Greek word which was correctly translated as “ALL” in English in the Bible, means … “ALL.” So God wills that some perish? 2 Peter 3:9
Todd Tomasella No He wishes none to perish! That’s why He gave His only begotten Son for the “whole world.” (1 John 2:2; John 3:16, etc.

David Zane Jones Just the ones that that chapter is speaking to.

 

Todd Tomasella 1 John 2?

 

Ricky Gantz I’m not trying to act evil or disrespectful brother in just saying if you take it to its logical conclusion of Jesus died for all men yet all men don’t go to heaven his death wasn’t sufficient, if you say he died for all men and it was sufficient then that makes a person a Universalist.

 

I don’t think you are a Universalist but I see the inconsistency in your position that says Jesus died for all yet all don’t go to heaven, that’s inconsistent.
No offense brother, not my purpose here,  just trying to have a discussion and deal with the issues we must wrestle with.

Todd Tomasella Now, do you see yet one more of the many reasons why it’s clear that Satan himself is the author of this evil system of theology? Throughout the centuries, Satan has taken from the ranks of the true body of Christ, men who refused to obey God’s Word and were therefore easy prey for this delusional system of theology called Calvinism. You will never see a Calvinist who is a soul winner for this reason expressed above. They could care less. The Calvinist is smug and arrogant and self-righteous based on believing he is the special, chosen, “elect,” a special breed. He believes that God has respect of persons when His Word clearly states that “There is NO respect of persons with God.” (Romans 2:11) Actually, to obey Christ’s command to evangelize the world around us would contradict what the Calvinist’s theology teaches because no one can be saved or will be saved if God hasn’t somehow predetermined him to be. But the LORD’s apostle Paul told us that it was through “the foolishness of preaching” that God will “save them that believe.” And belief is clearly a choice God gives to every man (John 1:12; Deuteronomy 30:19; Joshua 24:15, etc.).

Todd Tomasella Ricky, you would actually be closer to being a Universalist …. I believe God sovereignly gave man free will and that some will choose to repent and some won’t …. therefore those who don’t go to hell. You are a sort of Universalist in that you think God sovereignly chose some to be saved and whether they like it or not they are forced to be saved and go to Heaven.

Ricky Gantz How am I closer to being a Universalist?

 

Todd Tomasella You really believe this diabolical filth?

  • Todd Tomasella No different than the Jehovah Witness cult the cult of calvin brazenly seeks to manipulate and change God’s Word, an offense that comes with the plagues of Revelation which include the lake of fire (Rev. 22:18-19).
  • Todd Tomasella The word “whosoever” appears 162 times in God’s Word (King James Bible) and yet it doesn’t mean “whosoever”? Astounding rebellion.
     
    Todd Tomasella Calvin wrote his own “bible” just like the cult of JW. Go figure.
  • Todd Tomasella Notice the free mercy God’s provides for all – “whosoever” – will come to Him … “And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” Revelation 22:17
    Todd Tomasella David, if you believe you or any other mere sinful man in history has the right to pick and choose what the words of Holy Scripture really mean, you are clearly “not of God.” Jesus says “He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” (John 8:47)
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    David Zane Jones I was merely remarking in regards to your picture above…..there is no “whosoever” in the original text
     
    David Zane Jones Todd, even if you never accept the doctrines of Grace, you really need to stop telling people, “they are not of God” simply because they disagree with you. I have not once been disrespectful toward you.
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    Todd Tomasella The Greek word from which we get “whosoever” is hoheto and it’s not in italics in the KJB which means it wasn’t added to bridge the gap in languages. And it means exactly what it says – “WHOsoever.” The Greek definition shows it to be just exactly that – “whosoever.”
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    Todd Tomasella Those aren’t the doctrines of grace … they fulfill the warning of Jude 4 which warns us of “ungodly men” who are “turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness.”
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    Todd Tomasella David, that is not disrespect, that is an open rebuke. You are a very deceived man if you think you can manipulate God’s Word and throw away (remove) from it whatever you wish or for whatever reason your cult handler told you….
    Todd Tomasella “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, REBUKE, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.” 2 Tim. 4:2
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    Ricky Gantz I don’t have a problem with whosoever believes because whosoever believes are those who God has chosen to believe from before the foundation of the world
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  • Ricky Gantz So I’m just wondering my friend.
  • You deny eternal security?
  • You seem to be a KJVOnlyist?
  • What denomination are you holding to?
  • Todd Tomasella no denom …. the only assurance biblically is to those who are truly born again and presently abiding in Christ John 10:27-29 makes that clear because Jesus gives the promise specifically to those who are hearing His voice and folowing Him.
  • Todd Tomasella Why would God tell people to make their “calling and election sure” if He didn’t require the elect to trust and obey Him? (2 Peter 1:10) Also, this exposes calvinism’s election doctrine as false because if man had no will or say so in the matter the LORD would never have told them to make it sure which is what all of Scripture teaches.
  • Todd Tomasella http://safeguardyoursoul.com/un-limited-atonement/
  • Ricky Gantz You believe in limited atonement whether you realize it or not!!

    Todd Tomasella Yes it’s limited only by “whosoever will” repent and receive Christ and to those who reject Him. It’s that simple and biblical.

    Todd Tomasella False Doctrines of the “Pope” of Geneva
    Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance
    http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm
    Calvinism False Doctrines, Depravity, Election, Atonement,…
    biblelife.org

    Ricky Gantz So why does one choose and another not choose?Todd Tomasella You fail to understand, so far, that God’s foreknowledge (a Bible word/doctrine conveniently ignored by calvinists) does not at all negate man’s free will to choose …. He foreknows all because He is divine, Almighty… that in no way means He ever tampers with man’s will and volition.

    Todd Tomasella He foreknows only in the sense that He knows who will choose and who will reject Him …. He does not make that choice for anyone …. He gives them free will and the choice … this is clear throughout Scripture.

    Ricky Gantz So then as I asked earlier than why does God created man who he knows will not choose him if he gives us free will

    Todd Tomasella Individual human beings are only “elect” in the sense that they elect to serve God on His terms. His foreknowledge does not in any way mean that He tampers with man’s will or makes the choice for him. Of God His Word assures us that He “cannot be tempted with evil.” – “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” (James 1:13)

    Todd Tomasella Ricky, that’s for Him to know not us (Deut. 29:29) …. He is love and so loving that He came and died for “ALL MEN” with no guarantee who would or who would not receive Him.

    Todd Tomasella just wondering …. Why are you asking questions instead of seeking to ascertain what the BIBLE says in the full counsel thereof. Don’t answer just think about it …

    David Zane Jones Not once is foreknowledge ever spoken of concerning an event of time but always about a person

    Todd Tomasella If you are truly teachable, I’d like to send you a copy of the book “Lie of the Ages” which explodes this whole system of error and evil …. 740 pg volume http://safeguardyoursoul.com/lie-of-the-ages/
    Lie of the Ages – SafeGuardYourSoul
    History’s Fatal Falsehood. A powerful book exposing the lie Satan told in the Garden and…
    safeguardyoursoul.com

    Ricky Gantz You say it’s for him to know not us but if you reject Calvinism which says God’s creative  people for his glory that will be saving these crazy people for his glory that will not be saved we can actually account for that or is he just saying well I don’t know it’s up to God. And we would say yes is absolutely up to God

    Todd Tomasella I’m not doubting that you are teachable …. you seem to be teachable praise God.

    Todd Tomasella Yes I openly reject calvinism. Who told you calvinism is Christianity? Not God. It’s extra-biblical which alone makes it false ….. it’s an evil system and lense through which you have been misled to see “another Jesus” (2 Cor 11:2-5; Gal. 1:6-9).

    Todd Tomasella Notice you say “We would say” which reveals you are part of a cult … the cult of calvinism … instead of identifying with Christ Himself and His true, humble, teachable, Bible-learning body of saints.

    David Zane Jones And yet it is the “evil” Calvinist that has not once called your beliefs…..evil

    Ricky Gantz Brother you can call Calvinism a cult if you want to but it doesn’t change truth, I’m not going to sit here and get angry with you for any ad hominem attacks.

    I look forward to the show when we talk and actually have to wrestle through these doctrines and not jump all over the place or make attacks against John Calvin or Augustine but rather wrestle with what the scriptures actually say.

    Looking forward to it
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    Todd Tomasella Fair enough and yes, with no anger, only concern, I say calvinism is a cult ….. look at your own words which reveal that your “we,” that is, your identity is with calvinism and calvinists and not with Christ and His one body. This alone makes it a cult, not to mention the myriad of heresies….

    Todd Tomasella I look forward to it also and am praying for you friend ….. glad we met through a dear sister in Christ …. here’s a very brief historical summation of augustine and calvin and the catholic connection … you may be shocked to learn that calvinism is rooted in catholicism http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm

    Calvinism False Doctrines, Depravity, Election, Atonement,…
    biblelife.org
    Todd Tomasella please look that over brother Ricky Gantz. We that is means those who hold to the doctrines of grace! Because as in the original post most people attack Calvinism with foolish arguments and don’t actually address the five points.
      Todd Tomasella Ricky, why are you defending a system of mere sinful men?

    Todd Tomasella calvinism knows nothing of real biblically defined grace … to call calvinism’s doctrines the “doctrines of grace” is a complete misnomer at best …. I bet those false teachers you have chosen to give ear to never mentioned Titus 2:11-12 did they?Todd Tomasella conveniently

    Ricky Gantz You believe in limited atonement whether you realize it or not!!

    Todd Tomasella Yes it’s limited only by “whosoever will” repent and receive Christ and to those who reject Him. It’s that simple and biblical.

    Todd Tomasella False Doctrines of the “Pope” of Geneva
    Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance
    http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm Calvinism False Doctrines, Depravity, Election, Atonement,…
    biblelife.org

    Ricky Gantz So why does one choose and another not choose?Todd Tomasella You fail to understand, so far, that God’s foreknowledge (a Bible word/doctrine conveniently ignored by calvinists) does not at all negate man’s free will to choose …. He foreknows all because He is divine, Almighty… that in no way means He ever tampers with man’s will and volition.

    Todd Tomasella He foreknows only in the sense that He knows who will choose and who will reject Him …. He does not make that choice for anyone …. He gives them free will and the choice … this is clear throughout Scripture.

    Ricky Gantz So then as I asked earlier than why does God created man who he knows will not choose him if he gives us free will

    Todd Tomasella Individual human beings are only “elect” in the sense that they elect to serve God on His terms. His foreknowledge does not in any way mean that He tampers with man’s will or makes the choice for him. Of God His Word assures us that He “cannot be tempted with evil.” – “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” (James 1:13)

    Todd Tomasella Ricky, that’s for Him to know not us (Deut. 29:29) …. He is love and so loving that He came and died for “ALL MEN” with no guarantee who would or who would not receive Him.

    Todd Tomasella just wondering …. Why are you asking questions instead of seeking to ascertain what the BIBLE says in the full counsel thereof. Don’t answer just think about it …

    David Zane Jones Not once is foreknowledge ever spoken of concerning an event of time but always about a person

    Todd Tomasella If you are truly teachable, I’d like to send you a copy of the book “Lie of the Ages” which explodes this whole system of error and evil …. 740 pg volume http://safeguardyoursoul.com/lie-of-the-ages/

    Lie of the Ages – SafeGuardYourSoul
    History’s Fatal Falsehood. A powerful book exposing the lie Satan told in the Garden and…
    safeguardyoursoul.com

    Ricky Gantz You say it’s for him to know not us but if you reject Calvinism which says God’s creative people for his glory that will be saving these crazy people for his glory that will not be saved we can actually account for that or is he just saying well I don’t know it’s up to God. And we would say yes is absolutely up to God

    Todd Tomasella I’m not doubting that you are teachable …. you seem to be teachable praise God.

    Todd Tomasella Yes I openly reject calvinism. Who told you calvinism is Christianity? Not God. It’s extra-biblical which alone makes it false ….. it’s an evil system and lense through which you have been misled to see “another Jesus” (2 Cor 11:2-5; Gal. 1:6-9).

    Todd Tomasella Notice you say “We would say” which reveals you are part of a cult … the cult of calvinism … instead of identifying with Christ Himself and His true, humble, teachable, Bible-learning body of saints.

    David Zane Jones And yet it is the “evil” Calvinist that has not once called your beliefs…..evil

    Ricky Gantz Brother you can call Calvinism a cult if you want to but it doesn’t change truth, I’m not going to sit here and get angry with you for any ad hominem attacks.

    I look forward to the show when we talk and actually have to wrestle through these doctrines and not jump all over the place or make attacks against John Calvin or Augustine but rather wrestle with what the scriptures actually say.

    Looking forward to it.

    Todd Tomasella Fair enough and yes, with no anger, only concern, I say calvinism is a cult ….. look at your own words which reveal that your “we,” that is, your identity is with calvinism and calvinists and not with Christ and His one body. This alone makes it a cult, not to mention the myriad of heresies….

    Todd Tomasella I look forward to it also and am praying for you friend ….. glad we met through a dear sister in Christ …. here’s a very brief historical summation of augustine and calvin and the catholic connection … you may be shocked to learn that calvinism is rooted in catholicism http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm
    Calvinism False Doctrines, Depravity, Election, Atonement,…
    biblelife.org

    Todd Tomasella please look that over brother

    Ricky Gantz We that is means those who hold to the doctrines of grace! Because as in the original post most people attack Calvinism with foolish arguments and don’t actually address the five points

    Todd Tomasella Ricky, why are you defending a system of mere sinful men?

    Todd Tomasella calvinism knows nothing of real biblically defined grace … to call calvinism’s doctrines the “doctrines of grace” is a complete misnomer at best …. I bet those false teachers you have chosen to give ear to never mentioned Titus 2:11-12 did they?

    Todd Tomasella conveniently

    Todd Tomasella http://safeguardyoursoul.com/the-perversion-of-grace/
    The Perversion of Grace – SafeGuardYourSoul
    safeguardyoursoul.com

    Ricky Gantz Just curious who are some of the preachers you listen to?

    Todd Tomasella leonard ravenhill here and there … maybe keith daniels

    Ricky Gantz I love Leonard Ravenhill

    Todd Tomasella That’s just it brother , that’s the problem ….. you are still looking to mere men … and the LORD is angry with the idols of our hearts (Ezek. 14:3) …. He is calling us to renounce them because He is very Jealous (Exod 20:3-4; 34:14).

    Todd Tomasella Perhaps you would prayerfully consider not listening to any mere man for 2 weeks or 4 weeks and to seek our LORD’s face in intimate prayer and Bible reading, crying out to Him to show you His truth ….

    David Zane Jones You mean like the Apostle Paul…..lol

    Ricky Gantz I have discernment my friend, I know when I’m listening to a false teacher and when someone is preaching the word of God because I stay saturated in the word of God

    Miz Smitty Todd is one of my more outspoken friends that opposes Calvinism. I figured that you both would find interest in knowing one another.

    QUESTION:
  • What are your objections to Calvinism? Which of the Five Points do you disagree with?” RG
  • REPLY:
  • All 5 are false friend. They are all based on a completely false premise and it’s a extra-biblical system of theology which alone makes it false. We must go directly into God’s Word and cease to be influenced by so called church fathers and reformers …. who got their theology from catholic augustine. John Calvin was a mass murderer, a despotic ruler, and a major heretic. I invite you to look over the link above when you can. Rom. 2:11 alone destroys all of calvinism ….
  • No one learns calvinism from God’s Word. They learn it from mere men whom they’ve esteemed higher than God Himself. Those men impose these heretical points upon the Scriptures, twisting and ignoring mountains of truth in order to peddle their wares and attempt to make palatable their heresies.
  • What I say is only to help you. Calvinism is not Christianity … in fact, its father is the enemy of the LORD. Calvinism paints the image of a sadistic demon not God ….. I’m praying for you.
  • Much more on Calvinism (exposed) here.
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Author of several enlightening and influential books on subjects ranging from false prophets, end times, the original lie of Satan to mankind, evangelism, last day / end times victory, and the daily walk of an authentic disciple. Todd’s books can be found on BarnesandNoble.com, Amazon.com, and on SafeGuardYourSoul.com. His websites include SafeGuardYourSoul.com, GreatCommissionAdventure.com. A former Marine, contracted to NASA, youth pastor, TV show host, Bible College class president, and member of numerous churches throughout the south, by the saving grace of Jesus Christ Todd has and continues to learn to set aside all that involves the philosophies and whims of mere men to follow the King of the kingdom as a simple servant. His sincerity and ability to speak on a variety of topics from a broad and edifying perspective, and with a humble candor, is refreshing. Todd has an obvious understanding that he is nothing without Jesus and yet, by the working of divine grace, his Gospel tracts, articles, Moments with My Master email devotional, and books have taught, encouraged, and inspired thousands. Todd Tomasella is the author of several Christian, non-fiction books, hundreds of articles, devotionals, audios, tracts, videos, Bible school curriculum, and study guides. No matter the format utilized, the divine mandate is simply getting people into God's Word for themselves (Nehemiah 8:8; Habakkuk 2:2; Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 17:11; 2 Timothy 2:15; 3:16-17). Let’s Grow Together! Sign up here to begin receiving the Moments with Our Master email devotional that is sure to help you grow in grace and in the knowledge of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ (2 Pet. 1:2; 3:18). It’s sent out 1-2 times weekly for the edification and equipping of the body of Christ. Sign Up HERE: info@safeguardyoursoul.com